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The result was redirect to Lubiszewo Tczewskie. Since nom provided this potential target, assuming they have no issue with this outcome. Star Mississippi 17:41, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
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A mass-created article by Kotbot, a bot operated by retired user Kotniski.
There is nothing at the location in the article. The 2015 Polish regulation on place-names lists this as część wsi Lubiszewo Tczewskie (part of Lubiszewo Tczewskie, which we have an article for), so not a settlement (which would be an osada).
There is no evidence that anyone ever lived here - indeed there is no evidence that any human being ever confirmed this place was anything more than a point on the map before turning it into an article on English-language Wikipedia. On the same day that Kotbot generated this page, it generated 2,349 other Polish location articles.
I don't think it makes any sense to redirect this to Lubiszewo Tczewskie, since it is simply a location name for which we have no information at all and which that page will have no information on at all.
TL;DR - fails WP:GEOLAND, WP:GNG, WP:IINFO and WP:V. FOARP ( talk) 10:33, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Geography and Poland. FOARP ( talk) 10:33, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
- Delete for all the reasons given in the TL;DR above. If this user really created over 2000 low-effort pages in a day, I'm tempted to say we should procedurally delete them all, but I don't know if we have a policy for that and perhaps a few of them have been expanded into usable articles by other users. What a mess.
WeirdNAnnoyed (
talk)
15:01, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
- Sadly, Kotbot created many more articles like this. The ones I've been picking up over the last few days were found simply by looking at the places where GMaps has place-names for places in Poland where there is nothing there: we've been spamming GMaps with non-existent places.
FOARP (
talk)
16:07, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
- @
FOARP Where are those GPS coordinates even sourced from? Pl wiki is inclusionist so I expect they may keep their articles even if we delete it. Ditto for Wikidata. If we have fake coordinates, we need to clean up more than just en wiki.
Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus|
reply here
06:35, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
- But we do have to start somewhere if we are ever going to clean up these non-existent places that are found throughout rural Poland. FOARP ( talk) 07:43, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
- @
FOARP Where are those GPS coordinates even sourced from? Pl wiki is inclusionist so I expect they may keep their articles even if we delete it. Ditto for Wikidata. If we have fake coordinates, we need to clean up more than just en wiki.
Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus|
reply here
06:35, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
- Sadly, Kotbot created many more articles like this. The ones I've been picking up over the last few days were found simply by looking at the places where GMaps has place-names for places in Poland where there is nothing there: we've been spamming GMaps with non-existent places.
FOARP (
talk)
16:07, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
Weak keep. I think hamlets meet GEOLAND. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:34, 17 October 2023 (UTC)- But it's not obviously or necessarily a hamlet? The register lists it only as a part of another settlement, not necessarily anywhere that people lived. Many state farms, railway settlements, forestry offices, etc. got added to the register and stayed on there after the end of the communist era. And even if it were a hamlet,
WP:NOPAGE is pretty clear on what happens to pages for which we have no real information at all. This is a failed verification since there just isn't anything at the location.
FOARP (
talk)
07:42, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
- Hi @
Piotrus, you asked to be pinged on articles that were część wsi with a redirect target - here it would be
Lubiszewo Tczewskie.
FOARP (
talk)
15:14, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
- Right, here I missed TERYT query - it is indeed just a part of a village. Redirect, mention there, that's enough. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:00, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
- Hi @
Piotrus, you asked to be pinged on articles that were część wsi with a redirect target - here it would be
Lubiszewo Tczewskie.
FOARP (
talk)
15:14, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
- But it's not obviously or necessarily a hamlet? The register lists it only as a part of another settlement, not necessarily anywhere that people lived. Many state farms, railway settlements, forestry offices, etc. got added to the register and stayed on there after the end of the communist era. And even if it were a hamlet,
WP:NOPAGE is pretty clear on what happens to pages for which we have no real information at all. This is a failed verification since there just isn't anything at the location.
FOARP (
talk)
07:42, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was redirect to Lubiszewo Tczewskie. Since nom provided this potential target, assuming they have no issue with this outcome. Star Mississippi 17:41, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
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- Owczarki, Pomeranian Voivodeship ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log | edits since nomination)
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A mass-created article by Kotbot, a bot operated by retired user Kotniski.
There is nothing at the location in the article. The 2015 Polish regulation on place-names lists this as część wsi Lubiszewo Tczewskie (part of Lubiszewo Tczewskie, which we have an article for), so not a settlement (which would be an osada).
There is no evidence that anyone ever lived here - indeed there is no evidence that any human being ever confirmed this place was anything more than a point on the map before turning it into an article on English-language Wikipedia. On the same day that Kotbot generated this page, it generated 2,349 other Polish location articles.
I don't think it makes any sense to redirect this to Lubiszewo Tczewskie, since it is simply a location name for which we have no information at all and which that page will have no information on at all.
TL;DR - fails WP:GEOLAND, WP:GNG, WP:IINFO and WP:V. FOARP ( talk) 10:33, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Geography and Poland. FOARP ( talk) 10:33, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
- Delete for all the reasons given in the TL;DR above. If this user really created over 2000 low-effort pages in a day, I'm tempted to say we should procedurally delete them all, but I don't know if we have a policy for that and perhaps a few of them have been expanded into usable articles by other users. What a mess.
WeirdNAnnoyed (
talk)
15:01, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
- Sadly, Kotbot created many more articles like this. The ones I've been picking up over the last few days were found simply by looking at the places where GMaps has place-names for places in Poland where there is nothing there: we've been spamming GMaps with non-existent places.
FOARP (
talk)
16:07, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
- @
FOARP Where are those GPS coordinates even sourced from? Pl wiki is inclusionist so I expect they may keep their articles even if we delete it. Ditto for Wikidata. If we have fake coordinates, we need to clean up more than just en wiki.
Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus|
reply here
06:35, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
- But we do have to start somewhere if we are ever going to clean up these non-existent places that are found throughout rural Poland. FOARP ( talk) 07:43, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
- @
FOARP Where are those GPS coordinates even sourced from? Pl wiki is inclusionist so I expect they may keep their articles even if we delete it. Ditto for Wikidata. If we have fake coordinates, we need to clean up more than just en wiki.
Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus|
reply here
06:35, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
- Sadly, Kotbot created many more articles like this. The ones I've been picking up over the last few days were found simply by looking at the places where GMaps has place-names for places in Poland where there is nothing there: we've been spamming GMaps with non-existent places.
FOARP (
talk)
16:07, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
Weak keep. I think hamlets meet GEOLAND. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:34, 17 October 2023 (UTC)- But it's not obviously or necessarily a hamlet? The register lists it only as a part of another settlement, not necessarily anywhere that people lived. Many state farms, railway settlements, forestry offices, etc. got added to the register and stayed on there after the end of the communist era. And even if it were a hamlet,
WP:NOPAGE is pretty clear on what happens to pages for which we have no real information at all. This is a failed verification since there just isn't anything at the location.
FOARP (
talk)
07:42, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
- Hi @
Piotrus, you asked to be pinged on articles that were część wsi with a redirect target - here it would be
Lubiszewo Tczewskie.
FOARP (
talk)
15:14, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
- Right, here I missed TERYT query - it is indeed just a part of a village. Redirect, mention there, that's enough. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:00, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
- Hi @
Piotrus, you asked to be pinged on articles that were część wsi with a redirect target - here it would be
Lubiszewo Tczewskie.
FOARP (
talk)
15:14, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
- But it's not obviously or necessarily a hamlet? The register lists it only as a part of another settlement, not necessarily anywhere that people lived. Many state farms, railway settlements, forestry offices, etc. got added to the register and stayed on there after the end of the communist era. And even if it were a hamlet,
WP:NOPAGE is pretty clear on what happens to pages for which we have no real information at all. This is a failed verification since there just isn't anything at the location.
FOARP (
talk)
07:42, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.