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The result was no consensus. Liz Read! Talk! 03:09, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
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Ukrainian musician, lack of notability, instagram and couple of local news about his debuts Anntinomy ( talk) 22:12, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
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Weak keepComment. He is probably notable as one of hosts of a show at 1+1 (TV channel) (i.e. ru:Завтрак с 1+1) - [1]. Other than that, he is covered in Ukrainian press, but I can't say how significant that might be. My very best wishes ( talk) 01:38, 29 December 2022 (UTC)- He is not a host but one-time guest on the video linked -- Anntinomy ( talk) 15:00, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
- I do not know. It only says he started the show. WP:ENTERTAINER seems to be subjective. It says "Has made unique, prolific or innovative contributions to a field of entertainment". What does it mean "prolific" or "unique"? Every good/gifted singer or composer is unique. I am simply looking at the page and think that (a) the content is mostly sourced, and (b) based on the description on page, this is someone who possibly/probably passes WP:GNG. I am not saying he definitely passes GNG, meaning that the argument for "keeping" is weak, and deletion would not be unreasonable (hence I changed the vote). My very best wishes ( talk) 17:28, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
- Weak Keep : I'm mostly on the fence. WP:GNG seems questionable but slightly positive (against deletion).The sources listed on the page seem to include adequate coverage of secondary sources, but whether that is significant or whether those sources are reliable for this discussion is questionable. WP:ENTERTAINER seems questionable but slightly negative (in favor of deletion). He has certainly not satisfied "significant roles in multiple notable" events. Nor have his contributions been extraordinarily unique, prolific, or innovative. I'm marking this as weak keep only because I think the arguments for deletion are not quite sufficient to justify deletion, though they are very very close. Radzy0 ( talk) 19:09, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
- PS Some of his notability is from his volunteer efforts, not from his role as an entertainer. So
WP:ENTERTAINER, though not satisfied, is less important.
Radzy0 (
talk)
19:13, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
- Volunteer efforts are not supported with reliable sources. References 1 and 2 - his Instagram, reference 7 doesn't mention him as organizer, his name is on the poster among other singers announced for the concert (so, this isn't even a report from the event). Anntinomy ( talk) 20:31, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
- PS Some of his notability is from his volunteer efforts, not from his role as an entertainer. So
WP:ENTERTAINER, though not satisfied, is less important.
Radzy0 (
talk)
19:13, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Natg 19 ( talk) 02:15, 4 January 2023 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Final relist. Seems like No consensus right now.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 01:54, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
- Weak Keep. There need to be some English language sources. There's already a page in Ukrainian for him if you look. So he's notable in that regard; however, the norm is to have English language sources on the English Wikipedia page. If not, it's normally deleted. JRed176 ( talk) 21:29, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
- Comment I disagree that English-language sources are required. The test is notability. Elinruby ( talk) 08:19, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
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The result was no consensus. Liz Read! Talk! 03:09, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
Oleg Serafyn
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Ukrainian musician, lack of notability, instagram and couple of local news about his debuts Anntinomy ( talk) 22:12, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Bands and musicians and Ukraine. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 06:52, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 22:47, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
Weak keepComment. He is probably notable as one of hosts of a show at 1+1 (TV channel) (i.e. ru:Завтрак с 1+1) - [1]. Other than that, he is covered in Ukrainian press, but I can't say how significant that might be. My very best wishes ( talk) 01:38, 29 December 2022 (UTC)- He is not a host but one-time guest on the video linked -- Anntinomy ( talk) 15:00, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
- I do not know. It only says he started the show. WP:ENTERTAINER seems to be subjective. It says "Has made unique, prolific or innovative contributions to a field of entertainment". What does it mean "prolific" or "unique"? Every good/gifted singer or composer is unique. I am simply looking at the page and think that (a) the content is mostly sourced, and (b) based on the description on page, this is someone who possibly/probably passes WP:GNG. I am not saying he definitely passes GNG, meaning that the argument for "keeping" is weak, and deletion would not be unreasonable (hence I changed the vote). My very best wishes ( talk) 17:28, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
- Weak Keep : I'm mostly on the fence. WP:GNG seems questionable but slightly positive (against deletion).The sources listed on the page seem to include adequate coverage of secondary sources, but whether that is significant or whether those sources are reliable for this discussion is questionable. WP:ENTERTAINER seems questionable but slightly negative (in favor of deletion). He has certainly not satisfied "significant roles in multiple notable" events. Nor have his contributions been extraordinarily unique, prolific, or innovative. I'm marking this as weak keep only because I think the arguments for deletion are not quite sufficient to justify deletion, though they are very very close. Radzy0 ( talk) 19:09, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
- PS Some of his notability is from his volunteer efforts, not from his role as an entertainer. So
WP:ENTERTAINER, though not satisfied, is less important.
Radzy0 (
talk)
19:13, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
- Volunteer efforts are not supported with reliable sources. References 1 and 2 - his Instagram, reference 7 doesn't mention him as organizer, his name is on the poster among other singers announced for the concert (so, this isn't even a report from the event). Anntinomy ( talk) 20:31, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
- PS Some of his notability is from his volunteer efforts, not from his role as an entertainer. So
WP:ENTERTAINER, though not satisfied, is less important.
Radzy0 (
talk)
19:13, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Natg 19 ( talk) 02:15, 4 January 2023 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Final relist. Seems like No consensus right now.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 01:54, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
- Weak Keep. There need to be some English language sources. There's already a page in Ukrainian for him if you look. So he's notable in that regard; however, the norm is to have English language sources on the English Wikipedia page. If not, it's normally deleted. JRed176 ( talk) 21:29, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
- Comment I disagree that English-language sources are required. The test is notability. Elinruby ( talk) 08:19, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
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