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The result was no consensus. Sandstein 10:49, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
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Very niche fictional universe. One of the external links is described as 'Fan-compiled story background & timeline' and this is what this article really is. WP:OR mixed with WP:FANCRUFT. Ja wiki article is of little help. The author doesn't have an article on English Wikipedia, and neither do any of his works. This seems like a marketing ad by a fan... Anyway. The coverage (references, external links, etc.) does not seem sufficient to justify this article passing Wikipedia:General notability guideline requirement nor the more detailed Wikipedia:Notability (fiction) supplementary essay. WP:BEFORE did not reveal any significant coverage on Gnews, Gbooks or Gscholar (although the 2017 movie adaptation announcement did generate a bit of coverage, but what may be notable in this mess is the upcoming movie, but a) that's not the focus of this article and b) the movie is likely not notable yet anyway (coverage: [1], [2]). I did find one source from 2012 that mentions this universe in context of Hawken (video game) but it's rather short and hard to justify keeping the current article based on the coverage here: [3] (it does open a possibility of a soft deletion and redirecting this mess to that video game article, perhaps - but right now that article doesn't even mention this topic, so...). Still, maybe someone fluent in Japanese can find something I missed? Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 13:52, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Daniel ( talk) 01:00, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
- Keep This is, as they say,
big in Japan. The
Japanese article contains much additional material and it seems easy to find coverage in English too, such as this
exhibition.
Andrew🐉(
talk)
09:38, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
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Andrew Davidson, I am not sure how 'big' this is. The Japanese article is not much longer than ours and the sources, including the sole English one you found, are pretty niche and of borderline reliability. It's a good start, however, and since you say it is "easy to find coverage in English", please don't hesitate to share the rest of what you've found. TIA.
Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus|
reply here
08:29, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
- I have already provided adequate evidence to support my position. Let's just add the most relevant policy here: WP:ATD which states, "If editing can improve the page, this should be done rather than deleting the page." See also WP:NOTCLEANUP. Andrew🐉( talk) 09:45, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
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Andrew Davidson, I am not sure how 'big' this is. The Japanese article is not much longer than ours and the sources, including the sole English one you found, are pretty niche and of borderline reliability. It's a good start, however, and since you say it is "easy to find coverage in English", please don't hesitate to share the rest of what you've found. TIA.
Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus|
reply here
08:29, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 08:31, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
- Keep. This article is not about a fictional universe, as claimed by the nominator, but rather the intellectual property itself. It has been referenced in a wholly unrelated video game (Hawken), with a movie adaptation on the way, both of which can be cited to verifiable sources. A quick search on Kotaku yields two results. This nomination is essentially a continuation of a deletion drive by the nominator to prove a point. Haleth ( talk) 17:16, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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The result was no consensus. Sandstein 10:49, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
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Very niche fictional universe. One of the external links is described as 'Fan-compiled story background & timeline' and this is what this article really is. WP:OR mixed with WP:FANCRUFT. Ja wiki article is of little help. The author doesn't have an article on English Wikipedia, and neither do any of his works. This seems like a marketing ad by a fan... Anyway. The coverage (references, external links, etc.) does not seem sufficient to justify this article passing Wikipedia:General notability guideline requirement nor the more detailed Wikipedia:Notability (fiction) supplementary essay. WP:BEFORE did not reveal any significant coverage on Gnews, Gbooks or Gscholar (although the 2017 movie adaptation announcement did generate a bit of coverage, but what may be notable in this mess is the upcoming movie, but a) that's not the focus of this article and b) the movie is likely not notable yet anyway (coverage: [1], [2]). I did find one source from 2012 that mentions this universe in context of Hawken (video game) but it's rather short and hard to justify keeping the current article based on the coverage here: [3] (it does open a possibility of a soft deletion and redirecting this mess to that video game article, perhaps - but right now that article doesn't even mention this topic, so...). Still, maybe someone fluent in Japanese can find something I missed? Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 13:52, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 13:52, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Science fiction and fantasy-related deletion discussions. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 13:52, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 13:52, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Japan-related deletion discussions. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 13:52, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Daniel ( talk) 01:00, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
- Keep This is, as they say,
big in Japan. The
Japanese article contains much additional material and it seems easy to find coverage in English too, such as this
exhibition.
Andrew🐉(
talk)
09:38, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
-
Andrew Davidson, I am not sure how 'big' this is. The Japanese article is not much longer than ours and the sources, including the sole English one you found, are pretty niche and of borderline reliability. It's a good start, however, and since you say it is "easy to find coverage in English", please don't hesitate to share the rest of what you've found. TIA.
Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus|
reply here
08:29, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
- I have already provided adequate evidence to support my position. Let's just add the most relevant policy here: WP:ATD which states, "If editing can improve the page, this should be done rather than deleting the page." See also WP:NOTCLEANUP. Andrew🐉( talk) 09:45, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
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Andrew Davidson, I am not sure how 'big' this is. The Japanese article is not much longer than ours and the sources, including the sole English one you found, are pretty niche and of borderline reliability. It's a good start, however, and since you say it is "easy to find coverage in English", please don't hesitate to share the rest of what you've found. TIA.
Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus|
reply here
08:29, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 08:31, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
- Keep. This article is not about a fictional universe, as claimed by the nominator, but rather the intellectual property itself. It has been referenced in a wholly unrelated video game (Hawken), with a movie adaptation on the way, both of which can be cited to verifiable sources. A quick search on Kotaku yields two results. This nomination is essentially a continuation of a deletion drive by the nominator to prove a point. Haleth ( talk) 17:16, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.