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The result was speedy delete. Speedy deleted by DGG, CSD G7: One author who has requested deletion or blanked the page. Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 04:14, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
Mary Farhill
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Apparently not notable by our standards. She was wealthy, gave some money to poor people, lived for thirty years in a notable house near Fiesole and was made an honorary citizen, died and was buried. None of that seems to be of encyclopaedic interest or significance. Justlettersandnumbers ( talk) 12:58, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
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- Keep, unless there is some policy-based reason for deletion. The nomination consists solely of the nominator's personal view on the significance of Farhill's life, but no indication whatsover of how she is alleged to fail WP:N or WP:BIO, or what WP:BEFORE the nominator did. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 14:22, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
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BrownHairedGirl, lack of
notability is a policy-based reason for deletion. I have no view of this person's life other than what little I have been able to find documented in
reliable sources (which do not include
this one, somebody's website).
Justlettersandnumbers (
talk) 23:09, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
- again careful, that is not "someone website", that is the website of the City of Florence and includes the notes the people who are maintaining the English Cemetery were able to find about the English people buried in the cemetery. Anyway a source of 1854 said "1854 'Miss Farhill found drowned in her bath yesterday evening. 70 yrs old, no-one knows who her relations are, has lived at Villa Boccaccio half her life." Villa Boccaccio seems to lead to "Villa Palmieri" but then a contemporary source says the villa is the one were Vernon Lee lived, and Vernon Lee lived at "Villa Il Palmerino" (website of the Villa:
[1])... Therefore again, quite confusing...
Elisa.rolle (
talk) 23:32, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
- @ Justlettersandnumbers: there are several policy-based tests of notability. Your nomination did not mention any of them. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 23:52, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
- again careful, that is not "someone website", that is the website of the City of Florence and includes the notes the people who are maintaining the English Cemetery were able to find about the English people buried in the cemetery. Anyway a source of 1854 said "1854 'Miss Farhill found drowned in her bath yesterday evening. 70 yrs old, no-one knows who her relations are, has lived at Villa Boccaccio half her life." Villa Boccaccio seems to lead to "Villa Palmieri" but then a contemporary source says the villa is the one were Vernon Lee lived, and Vernon Lee lived at "Villa Il Palmerino" (website of the Villa:
[1])... Therefore again, quite confusing...
Elisa.rolle (
talk) 23:32, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
-
BrownHairedGirl, lack of
notability is a policy-based reason for deletion. I have no view of this person's life other than what little I have been able to find documented in
reliable sources (which do not include
this one, somebody's website).
Justlettersandnumbers (
talk) 23:09, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
- Comment. Coverage I could find was largely mentions in pieces about the villa ( [2], [3], [4], [5], [6]) and don't seem to say much more than when she bought it and who she left it to on her death. Perhaps we should selectively merge this to Villa Palmieri, Fiesole -- Michig ( talk) 17:53, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
- Comment: careful, it's not the same villa. Villa Il Palmerino is the villa of Fairhill. I created the article, and requested the speedy deletion of Mary Fairhill. I will then redirect it to the Villa Il Palmerino Elisa.rolle ( talk) 18:37, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
- Comment Did she own, the villa that was in the The Decameron. It is, the Villa Palmieri, Fiesole. That would perhaps count towards summat. scope_creep ( talk) 22:10, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
- Comment She seemed to be ennobled or very close to it, in terms of working with, friend, or pssibly in that group. Swinging to notable. scope_creep ( talk) 22:16, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
- Comment. Michig, Scope creep, as Elisa.rolle has already pointed out above, Villa Il Palmerino where Farhill lived, later the home of Violet Paget, is apparently not Villa Palmieri (also known as Villa Boccaccio), visited by Dumas, owned by George Clavering-Cowper and later by one of the Earls of Crawford (the 25th apparently died in Florence, so would be a good candidate). I say "apparently" because of the degree of confusion in various sources (including this one), and the notable absence of reliable sources in our articles, both in en.wp and it.wp. Both villas are on the hills below Fiesole; Villa Palmieri is in via Boccaccio, close to San Domenico, while Il Palmerino is in via del Palmerino, a little further east and closer to Settignano. Justlettersandnumbers ( talk) 23:09, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
- Comment, indeed it's quite confusing, but the source (in Italian) for Villa Il Palmerino says "A partire dal 1855 fu nelle disponibilità dei Frati di S.Croce come convento", since 1855 (one year later than her death), the Villa Il Palmerino was used as a convent... considering she had become a sort of nun, it's likely that is the right house. Elisa.rolle ( talk) 23:15, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
- Comment No cigar, I saw the comments but wanted to test the assertion. scope_creep ( talk) 23:22, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
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The result was speedy delete. Speedy deleted by DGG, CSD G7: One author who has requested deletion or blanked the page. Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 04:14, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
Mary Farhill
- Mary Farhill ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
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Apparently not notable by our standards. She was wealthy, gave some money to poor people, lived for thirty years in a notable house near Fiesole and was made an honorary citizen, died and was buried. None of that seems to be of encyclopaedic interest or significance. Justlettersandnumbers ( talk) 12:58, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Baby miss fortune 13:11, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. Baby miss fortune 13:13, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions. Baby miss fortune 13:17, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Italy-related deletion discussions. Baby miss fortune 13:17, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
- Keep, unless there is some policy-based reason for deletion. The nomination consists solely of the nominator's personal view on the significance of Farhill's life, but no indication whatsover of how she is alleged to fail WP:N or WP:BIO, or what WP:BEFORE the nominator did. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 14:22, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
-
BrownHairedGirl, lack of
notability is a policy-based reason for deletion. I have no view of this person's life other than what little I have been able to find documented in
reliable sources (which do not include
this one, somebody's website).
Justlettersandnumbers (
talk) 23:09, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
- again careful, that is not "someone website", that is the website of the City of Florence and includes the notes the people who are maintaining the English Cemetery were able to find about the English people buried in the cemetery. Anyway a source of 1854 said "1854 'Miss Farhill found drowned in her bath yesterday evening. 70 yrs old, no-one knows who her relations are, has lived at Villa Boccaccio half her life." Villa Boccaccio seems to lead to "Villa Palmieri" but then a contemporary source says the villa is the one were Vernon Lee lived, and Vernon Lee lived at "Villa Il Palmerino" (website of the Villa:
[1])... Therefore again, quite confusing...
Elisa.rolle (
talk) 23:32, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
- @ Justlettersandnumbers: there are several policy-based tests of notability. Your nomination did not mention any of them. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 23:52, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
- again careful, that is not "someone website", that is the website of the City of Florence and includes the notes the people who are maintaining the English Cemetery were able to find about the English people buried in the cemetery. Anyway a source of 1854 said "1854 'Miss Farhill found drowned in her bath yesterday evening. 70 yrs old, no-one knows who her relations are, has lived at Villa Boccaccio half her life." Villa Boccaccio seems to lead to "Villa Palmieri" but then a contemporary source says the villa is the one were Vernon Lee lived, and Vernon Lee lived at "Villa Il Palmerino" (website of the Villa:
[1])... Therefore again, quite confusing...
Elisa.rolle (
talk) 23:32, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
-
BrownHairedGirl, lack of
notability is a policy-based reason for deletion. I have no view of this person's life other than what little I have been able to find documented in
reliable sources (which do not include
this one, somebody's website).
Justlettersandnumbers (
talk) 23:09, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
- Comment. Coverage I could find was largely mentions in pieces about the villa ( [2], [3], [4], [5], [6]) and don't seem to say much more than when she bought it and who she left it to on her death. Perhaps we should selectively merge this to Villa Palmieri, Fiesole -- Michig ( talk) 17:53, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
- Comment: careful, it's not the same villa. Villa Il Palmerino is the villa of Fairhill. I created the article, and requested the speedy deletion of Mary Fairhill. I will then redirect it to the Villa Il Palmerino Elisa.rolle ( talk) 18:37, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
- Comment Did she own, the villa that was in the The Decameron. It is, the Villa Palmieri, Fiesole. That would perhaps count towards summat. scope_creep ( talk) 22:10, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
- Comment She seemed to be ennobled or very close to it, in terms of working with, friend, or pssibly in that group. Swinging to notable. scope_creep ( talk) 22:16, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
- Comment. Michig, Scope creep, as Elisa.rolle has already pointed out above, Villa Il Palmerino where Farhill lived, later the home of Violet Paget, is apparently not Villa Palmieri (also known as Villa Boccaccio), visited by Dumas, owned by George Clavering-Cowper and later by one of the Earls of Crawford (the 25th apparently died in Florence, so would be a good candidate). I say "apparently" because of the degree of confusion in various sources (including this one), and the notable absence of reliable sources in our articles, both in en.wp and it.wp. Both villas are on the hills below Fiesole; Villa Palmieri is in via Boccaccio, close to San Domenico, while Il Palmerino is in via del Palmerino, a little further east and closer to Settignano. Justlettersandnumbers ( talk) 23:09, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
- Comment, indeed it's quite confusing, but the source (in Italian) for Villa Il Palmerino says "A partire dal 1855 fu nelle disponibilità dei Frati di S.Croce come convento", since 1855 (one year later than her death), the Villa Il Palmerino was used as a convent... considering she had become a sort of nun, it's likely that is the right house. Elisa.rolle ( talk) 23:15, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
- Comment No cigar, I saw the comments but wanted to test the assertion. scope_creep ( talk) 23:22, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
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