The result was no consensus. This means that because there is no agreement about whether the subject is notable enough for an article or not, the default outcome is to keep the article. Sandstein 07:25, 5 June 2011 (UTC) reply
No indication of importance WP:A7. Lacks reliable independent secondary sources to establish notability as required by WP:GNG, WP:BASIC or WP:BIO. Msnicki ( talk) 14:45, 20 May 2011 (UTC) reply
Second, the
Austin American Statesman devoted an entire article to her (cited in the article, but not available online). I have it here through ProQuest and will cite you the first paragraph: "For most of the fashion industry, Sept. 11 was crippling, driving sales down, and making luxurious fashion seem frivolous. But for 35- year-old San Antonio native Marisol Deluna, the infamous date was a motivator. Deluna was living in downtown Manhattan at the time of the World Trade Center attacks and lost her best friend, Sara Manley, when one of the hijacked planes crashed into Manley's 92nd- floor office. Shortly thereafter, Deluna returned to her parents' Alamo Heights home for a month." Also,
there this,
The New York Times reporting on the woman's marriage. That's pretty much like an obituary--if the Times writes you up when you are married or dead, you are notable.
Drmies (
talk) 02:02, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
reply
1. You believe everyone who edited the article butchered it unjustifiably and then nominated it for deletion because of MY personal vendetta. 2. I personally know Deluna. Which much as your inability to prove she is important, you can't prove or have evidence of either. 3. You question my nationality but then go on to justify Deluna's inclusion in at least four articles that had her named as a citizen of France, Argentina, the US, from Kansas, and San Antonio amongst MANY other inaccuracies. Last time I say this: I did NOT do most of the editing in this article and if you reverse ALL of my edits, you will see this. Whoever was going around adding the name Marisol Deluna to a ton of Wiki articles where there was no reason for her inclusion, was knowingly lying. Period. I already explained my removals from PRIMARILY other articles and my history proves it. Please someone (who is not paranoid) go back to my edits and verify that they were improperly sourced and needed to be deleted? Someone who is not trying to shift focus from the real reasons this is up for deletion can verify that ALL of the times I edited info for this page, it was for a legitimate reason. You obviously know Deluna because in your personal website you also link to her own website. So if anything YOU are the one that has a very personal interest in keeping this page going weather or not you can prove that it merits an article. The link I followed from the Alamo heights High School reunion page was dead but if you visit the website, it very clearly states that the house her father built was in LINCOLN HEIGHTS suburb of Alamo Heights which AT THE TIME DELUNA LIVED THERE, was known as "Cementville". This is the article I used to verify the dates/names: http://www.texasescapes.com/SouthTexasTowns/Cementville-Texas.htm So to end this: Stop harassing me on here and through email about this. Focus on proving the "importance" on Deluna instead of attacking me for doing what was needed. Re-read the original article and ask yourself is just maybe YOU are the one that is wrong and all the other editors that are wasting their time trying to fix YOUR job as a contributor had a logical reason to shorten the article. Aa1232011 ( talk) 20:22, 23 May 2011 (UTC) reply
COMMENT: More Ad Hominem attacks. Clearly 72.1.155.66 is somebody's "sock puppet account" judging by the fact they signed on two days ago and have contributed nothing to any other article except on here. My "intentions" on Wikipedia are improving articles that need it as can be verified by the many WELL CITED contributions I have made to other articles in my short time editing. I believe the anger from some of these users stems from the fact that my initial edits brought this "puff-piece" to the attention of others who noticed the same issues I did. I unfortunately chose an article to start off with that has some commerical/promotional interests involved in it and for which there is an ongoing attempt to shift the focus of the discussion. Wikipedia clearly states Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced—whether the material is negative, positive, neutral, or just questionable—should be removed immediately and without waiting for discussion.[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons which in this case applied to most of the entire original article as the mutliple edits by multiple editors proves. Sections I blanked out had no citations, included POV and opinions, and quotes and claims that could not be verified in any independent source. I did nothing wrong and I looked for sources before I deleted. The end. I would also like to take the time to point out that the following accounts appeared AFTER the deletion process began and have contributed nothing to any other article other than Marisol Deluna's or voting for a "keep" and should probably be brought to the attention of an administrator: 62.252.182.132 and 72.1.155.66 and HenryJC and 99.141.126.125 and 71.255.139.226 Also, all of the new articles presented (which can't be fully and freely accessed so it's impossible to gage length or depth of coverage) are mostly from the same one local newspaper, shed no new information on the subject, are years apart, or are newsletters to private clubs (some of which Deluna supporters have claimed she is a member in) that are neither published outside membership or can be considered independent as secondary sources as per Wikipedia's standards. Aa1232011 ( talk) 15:57, 2 June 2011 (UTC) reply
The result was no consensus. This means that because there is no agreement about whether the subject is notable enough for an article or not, the default outcome is to keep the article. Sandstein 07:25, 5 June 2011 (UTC) reply
No indication of importance WP:A7. Lacks reliable independent secondary sources to establish notability as required by WP:GNG, WP:BASIC or WP:BIO. Msnicki ( talk) 14:45, 20 May 2011 (UTC) reply
Second, the
Austin American Statesman devoted an entire article to her (cited in the article, but not available online). I have it here through ProQuest and will cite you the first paragraph: "For most of the fashion industry, Sept. 11 was crippling, driving sales down, and making luxurious fashion seem frivolous. But for 35- year-old San Antonio native Marisol Deluna, the infamous date was a motivator. Deluna was living in downtown Manhattan at the time of the World Trade Center attacks and lost her best friend, Sara Manley, when one of the hijacked planes crashed into Manley's 92nd- floor office. Shortly thereafter, Deluna returned to her parents' Alamo Heights home for a month." Also,
there this,
The New York Times reporting on the woman's marriage. That's pretty much like an obituary--if the Times writes you up when you are married or dead, you are notable.
Drmies (
talk) 02:02, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
reply
1. You believe everyone who edited the article butchered it unjustifiably and then nominated it for deletion because of MY personal vendetta. 2. I personally know Deluna. Which much as your inability to prove she is important, you can't prove or have evidence of either. 3. You question my nationality but then go on to justify Deluna's inclusion in at least four articles that had her named as a citizen of France, Argentina, the US, from Kansas, and San Antonio amongst MANY other inaccuracies. Last time I say this: I did NOT do most of the editing in this article and if you reverse ALL of my edits, you will see this. Whoever was going around adding the name Marisol Deluna to a ton of Wiki articles where there was no reason for her inclusion, was knowingly lying. Period. I already explained my removals from PRIMARILY other articles and my history proves it. Please someone (who is not paranoid) go back to my edits and verify that they were improperly sourced and needed to be deleted? Someone who is not trying to shift focus from the real reasons this is up for deletion can verify that ALL of the times I edited info for this page, it was for a legitimate reason. You obviously know Deluna because in your personal website you also link to her own website. So if anything YOU are the one that has a very personal interest in keeping this page going weather or not you can prove that it merits an article. The link I followed from the Alamo heights High School reunion page was dead but if you visit the website, it very clearly states that the house her father built was in LINCOLN HEIGHTS suburb of Alamo Heights which AT THE TIME DELUNA LIVED THERE, was known as "Cementville". This is the article I used to verify the dates/names: http://www.texasescapes.com/SouthTexasTowns/Cementville-Texas.htm So to end this: Stop harassing me on here and through email about this. Focus on proving the "importance" on Deluna instead of attacking me for doing what was needed. Re-read the original article and ask yourself is just maybe YOU are the one that is wrong and all the other editors that are wasting their time trying to fix YOUR job as a contributor had a logical reason to shorten the article. Aa1232011 ( talk) 20:22, 23 May 2011 (UTC) reply
COMMENT: More Ad Hominem attacks. Clearly 72.1.155.66 is somebody's "sock puppet account" judging by the fact they signed on two days ago and have contributed nothing to any other article except on here. My "intentions" on Wikipedia are improving articles that need it as can be verified by the many WELL CITED contributions I have made to other articles in my short time editing. I believe the anger from some of these users stems from the fact that my initial edits brought this "puff-piece" to the attention of others who noticed the same issues I did. I unfortunately chose an article to start off with that has some commerical/promotional interests involved in it and for which there is an ongoing attempt to shift the focus of the discussion. Wikipedia clearly states Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced—whether the material is negative, positive, neutral, or just questionable—should be removed immediately and without waiting for discussion.[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons which in this case applied to most of the entire original article as the mutliple edits by multiple editors proves. Sections I blanked out had no citations, included POV and opinions, and quotes and claims that could not be verified in any independent source. I did nothing wrong and I looked for sources before I deleted. The end. I would also like to take the time to point out that the following accounts appeared AFTER the deletion process began and have contributed nothing to any other article other than Marisol Deluna's or voting for a "keep" and should probably be brought to the attention of an administrator: 62.252.182.132 and 72.1.155.66 and HenryJC and 99.141.126.125 and 71.255.139.226 Also, all of the new articles presented (which can't be fully and freely accessed so it's impossible to gage length or depth of coverage) are mostly from the same one local newspaper, shed no new information on the subject, are years apart, or are newsletters to private clubs (some of which Deluna supporters have claimed she is a member in) that are neither published outside membership or can be considered independent as secondary sources as per Wikipedia's standards. Aa1232011 ( talk) 15:57, 2 June 2011 (UTC) reply