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The result was delete. Catfish Jim and the soapdish 00:15, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
Lannie Battistini
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No substantial coverage in independent, reliable sources. The only claim of significance made for him in the article is that he was the keyboardist at a Grammy-winning performance by Olga Tañon, but I find no evidence that that brought him any note. Fails WP:GNG, WP:BIO. Largoplazo ( talk) 17:05, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
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- Delete for the reasons given.
Vmavanti ( talk) 18:18, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
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- Delete: If there is notability here, it relies on the subject's involvement in Olga Tañón's "Olga Viva, Viva Olga" live album. However the named recipients of the award were the artist and engineers [1] so notability is WP:NOTINHERITED. A musician going about his business, but not enough for WP:MUSICBIO or broader WP:BASIC criteria for biographical notability. AllyD ( talk) 11:29, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Trivial. Kierzek ( talk) 16:11, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
- Delete there is no independent reliable source available. Reddragon7 ( talk) 05:36, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
- Keep The newspaper El Nuevo Día has this article about him and I believe 3 others: 2. Unfortunately I don't see the articles as I need a subscription.-- the eloquent peasant ( talk) 18:06, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
- The former link is to a "coming events" announcement in a local publication. These are considered routine and don't contribute to notability. Largoplazo ( talk) 22:11, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
- It seems he's influential and some theater in a Florida town is featuring his "unique" jazz and the Citrus county newspaper covered him in an
article.
https://valerietheatre.tix.com/Event.aspx?EventCode=1085305 --
the eloquent peasant (
talk)
18:31, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
- Those sources don't contribute to notability. The former is another "coming events" link for a local theater. The latter link leads to a ticket seller, which is by no means an independent source; in addition, the fact that people find work in their jobs and that, in the case of performers, you can buy tickets to their performances also doesn't establish notability. Largoplazo ( talk) 22:09, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
- We see an article on Lanni in a major P.R. newspaper Primera Hora. Article states he produces about 5 songs per year.
https://www.primerahora.com/entretenimiento/musica/nota/lanniebattistinipresentasunuevaproduccion-539345/
the eloquent peasant (
talk)
20:00, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
- Another routine profile on the occasion of an event coming up at a local venue.
Largoplazo (
talk)
22:13, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
- Really? Look again. Primera Hora has an extensive interview with him. Not what you said "another routine profile..." I also found just now another article in another major Puerto Rican newspaper, El Vocero,
https://www.elvocero.com/uncategorized/con-nueva-casa/article_fde2ec91-f44d-5a94-882f-e70464c64f87.html --
the eloquent peasant (
talk)
04:29, 8 March 2019 (UTC)
- Interviews are generally held not to be independent sources since they consist of the subject talking about himself. Further, if the paper routinely interviews performers only as they appear on stage locally and otherwise never talks about them, then it's routine coverage. The El Vocero article? Half a sentence isn't significant coverage, as notability requires. Largoplazo ( talk) 09:15, 8 March 2019 (UTC)
- Really? Look again. Primera Hora has an extensive interview with him. Not what you said "another routine profile..." I also found just now another article in another major Puerto Rican newspaper, El Vocero,
https://www.elvocero.com/uncategorized/con-nueva-casa/article_fde2ec91-f44d-5a94-882f-e70464c64f87.html --
the eloquent peasant (
talk)
04:29, 8 March 2019 (UTC)
- Another routine profile on the occasion of an event coming up at a local venue.
Largoplazo (
talk)
22:13, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
- We see an article on Lanni in a major P.R. newspaper Primera Hora. Article states he produces about 5 songs per year.
https://www.primerahora.com/entretenimiento/musica/nota/lanniebattistinipresentasunuevaproduccion-539345/
the eloquent peasant (
talk)
20:00, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
- Keep as per the Primera Hora newspaper article establishes he has notability outside his involvement with Olga Tañon. El Johnson ( talk) 20:36, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
- The basic notability guideline requires significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources. Largoplazo ( talk) 09:15, 8 March 2019 (UTC)
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- Delete: I'm honestly surprised that this keeps being relisted (actually, I've been doing AfD too many years to be surprised at all), given that the relistings seem a clear example of headcount-over-policy. Anyone with the slightest familiarity with notability standards should know that casual mentions do not satisfy any of them. Articles consisting solely of interviews of the subject do not satisfy any of them. Single-sentence "articles" do not satisfy any of them. Coming events announcements do not satisfy any of them. I have no idea upon what basis any editor can claim "It seems he's influential," but the subject plainly does not meet the GNG, and certainly meets no SNG. Ravenswing 09:02, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Catfish Jim and the soapdish 00:15, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
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No substantial coverage in independent, reliable sources. The only claim of significance made for him in the article is that he was the keyboardist at a Grammy-winning performance by Olga Tañon, but I find no evidence that that brought him any note. Fails WP:GNG, WP:BIO. Largoplazo ( talk) 17:05, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
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- Delete for the reasons given.
Vmavanti ( talk) 18:18, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
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- Delete: If there is notability here, it relies on the subject's involvement in Olga Tañón's "Olga Viva, Viva Olga" live album. However the named recipients of the award were the artist and engineers [1] so notability is WP:NOTINHERITED. A musician going about his business, but not enough for WP:MUSICBIO or broader WP:BASIC criteria for biographical notability. AllyD ( talk) 11:29, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Trivial. Kierzek ( talk) 16:11, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
- Delete there is no independent reliable source available. Reddragon7 ( talk) 05:36, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
- Keep The newspaper El Nuevo Día has this article about him and I believe 3 others: 2. Unfortunately I don't see the articles as I need a subscription.-- the eloquent peasant ( talk) 18:06, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
- The former link is to a "coming events" announcement in a local publication. These are considered routine and don't contribute to notability. Largoplazo ( talk) 22:11, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
- It seems he's influential and some theater in a Florida town is featuring his "unique" jazz and the Citrus county newspaper covered him in an
article.
https://valerietheatre.tix.com/Event.aspx?EventCode=1085305 --
the eloquent peasant (
talk)
18:31, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
- Those sources don't contribute to notability. The former is another "coming events" link for a local theater. The latter link leads to a ticket seller, which is by no means an independent source; in addition, the fact that people find work in their jobs and that, in the case of performers, you can buy tickets to their performances also doesn't establish notability. Largoplazo ( talk) 22:09, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
- We see an article on Lanni in a major P.R. newspaper Primera Hora. Article states he produces about 5 songs per year.
https://www.primerahora.com/entretenimiento/musica/nota/lanniebattistinipresentasunuevaproduccion-539345/
the eloquent peasant (
talk)
20:00, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
- Another routine profile on the occasion of an event coming up at a local venue.
Largoplazo (
talk)
22:13, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
- Really? Look again. Primera Hora has an extensive interview with him. Not what you said "another routine profile..." I also found just now another article in another major Puerto Rican newspaper, El Vocero,
https://www.elvocero.com/uncategorized/con-nueva-casa/article_fde2ec91-f44d-5a94-882f-e70464c64f87.html --
the eloquent peasant (
talk)
04:29, 8 March 2019 (UTC)
- Interviews are generally held not to be independent sources since they consist of the subject talking about himself. Further, if the paper routinely interviews performers only as they appear on stage locally and otherwise never talks about them, then it's routine coverage. The El Vocero article? Half a sentence isn't significant coverage, as notability requires. Largoplazo ( talk) 09:15, 8 March 2019 (UTC)
- Really? Look again. Primera Hora has an extensive interview with him. Not what you said "another routine profile..." I also found just now another article in another major Puerto Rican newspaper, El Vocero,
https://www.elvocero.com/uncategorized/con-nueva-casa/article_fde2ec91-f44d-5a94-882f-e70464c64f87.html --
the eloquent peasant (
talk)
04:29, 8 March 2019 (UTC)
- Another routine profile on the occasion of an event coming up at a local venue.
Largoplazo (
talk)
22:13, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
- We see an article on Lanni in a major P.R. newspaper Primera Hora. Article states he produces about 5 songs per year.
https://www.primerahora.com/entretenimiento/musica/nota/lanniebattistinipresentasunuevaproduccion-539345/
the eloquent peasant (
talk)
20:00, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
- Keep as per the Primera Hora newspaper article establishes he has notability outside his involvement with Olga Tañon. El Johnson ( talk) 20:36, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
- The basic notability guideline requires significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources. Largoplazo ( talk) 09:15, 8 March 2019 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jovanmilic97 ( talk) 10:42, 8 March 2019 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jovanmilic97 ( talk) 10:42, 8 March 2019 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: To give more participants an opportunity to evaluate the sources presented.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 05:33, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
Relisting comment: To give more participants an opportunity to evaluate the sources presented.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 05:33, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
- Delete: I'm honestly surprised that this keeps being relisted (actually, I've been doing AfD too many years to be surprised at all), given that the relistings seem a clear example of headcount-over-policy. Anyone with the slightest familiarity with notability standards should know that casual mentions do not satisfy any of them. Articles consisting solely of interviews of the subject do not satisfy any of them. Single-sentence "articles" do not satisfy any of them. Coming events announcements do not satisfy any of them. I have no idea upon what basis any editor can claim "It seems he's influential," but the subject plainly does not meet the GNG, and certainly meets no SNG. Ravenswing 09:02, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
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