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The result was no consensus. Liz Read! Talk! 03:29, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
Landon Huffman
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Doesn't meet WP:GNG or WP:NMOTORSPORT; sourcing appears to all be WP:ROUTINE at best; nothing approaching significant. Wikipedia is not a database - "Ghost of Dan Gurney" ( c/ t) 01:18, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople, Video games, Motorsport, and North Carolina. - "Ghost of Dan Gurney" ( c/ t) 01:18, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
- Keep because there is more than databases as references, including
this and
this.
NASCARfan0548
↗
03:52, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
- Unfortunately, these are, respectively, a non-independent press release ("VMS PR" is written at the bottom of the release) and an article covering a video game competition that has only ROUTINE coverage of the subject. These do not meet WP:GNG criteria for notability. - "Ghost of Dan Gurney" ( c/ t) 04:07, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
- I strongly agree Jhawi 3897 ( talk) 13:14, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
- Keep there is enough non-routine WP:SIGCOV already on the article to pass WP:GNG. Frank Anchor 21:13, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
- Keep per @ Frank Anchor, there is enough to pass WP:GNG Zekerocks11 ( talk) 19:54, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
- Merge to Robert Huffman - A lot of the coverage does not seem to be relevant to establishing notability, either being non-independent or from what appear to be blogs. Those that remain all seem to be in the context of "Robert Huffman's son competes in race" from what I can tell, which does not indicate independent notability from a WP:PAGEDECIDE perspective. User:Jhawi 3897 who do you strongly agree with? HumanBodyPiloter5 ( talk) 23:52, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 02:32, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
- Delete No coverage where they talk about this person found; some sourcing for his father it looks like. Sources are mostly confirmation of the races he did, so are simple statistics like time it took him to finish the race. Long way from GNG. Oaktree b ( talk) 15:56, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 02:49, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
- Comment - I was content to let the discussion run its course, but with a second relist, I think it's fair to ask Frank Anchor which sources he was referring to earlier. - "Ghost of Dan Gurney" ( work / talk) 20:47, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
- Refs 4 and 5 (which is the same article picked up by multiple outlets so counts as one) offer significant biographical information, ref 7 indicates that he will start for another driver (far from a routine event in NASCAR) in addition to some routine coverage allowing it to go past the GNG threshold. Frank Anchor 13:24, 8 December 2022 (UTC)
- Keep He's run in the NASCAR Trucks series—if that's not good enough for notability, then why are we even here?
Andy Saunders (
talk)
00:45, 8 December 2022 (UTC)
- Please see WP:NMOTORSPORT; these guidelines were updated recently and the language is such that a full season in Cup is usually what is looked for now. Regardless, they are subordinate to the WP:GNG. - "Ghost of Dan Gurney" ( work / talk) 02:58, 8 December 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. Clear fail of
WP:GNG (most of the sources are primary and are from NASCAR's official website). The coverage currently is
WP:ROUTINE at best.
Sportsfan 1234 (
talk)
02:23, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
- ROUTINE is a subsection of the notability guideline for events. A person is not an event, and so ROUTINE does not apply here. BeanieFan11 ( talk) 19:49, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
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The result was no consensus. Liz Read! Talk! 03:29, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
Landon Huffman
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Doesn't meet WP:GNG or WP:NMOTORSPORT; sourcing appears to all be WP:ROUTINE at best; nothing approaching significant. Wikipedia is not a database - "Ghost of Dan Gurney" ( c/ t) 01:18, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople, Video games, Motorsport, and North Carolina. - "Ghost of Dan Gurney" ( c/ t) 01:18, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
- Keep because there is more than databases as references, including
this and
this.
NASCARfan0548
↗
03:52, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
- Unfortunately, these are, respectively, a non-independent press release ("VMS PR" is written at the bottom of the release) and an article covering a video game competition that has only ROUTINE coverage of the subject. These do not meet WP:GNG criteria for notability. - "Ghost of Dan Gurney" ( c/ t) 04:07, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
- I strongly agree Jhawi 3897 ( talk) 13:14, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
- Keep there is enough non-routine WP:SIGCOV already on the article to pass WP:GNG. Frank Anchor 21:13, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
- Keep per @ Frank Anchor, there is enough to pass WP:GNG Zekerocks11 ( talk) 19:54, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
- Merge to Robert Huffman - A lot of the coverage does not seem to be relevant to establishing notability, either being non-independent or from what appear to be blogs. Those that remain all seem to be in the context of "Robert Huffman's son competes in race" from what I can tell, which does not indicate independent notability from a WP:PAGEDECIDE perspective. User:Jhawi 3897 who do you strongly agree with? HumanBodyPiloter5 ( talk) 23:52, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 02:32, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
- Delete No coverage where they talk about this person found; some sourcing for his father it looks like. Sources are mostly confirmation of the races he did, so are simple statistics like time it took him to finish the race. Long way from GNG. Oaktree b ( talk) 15:56, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 02:49, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
- Comment - I was content to let the discussion run its course, but with a second relist, I think it's fair to ask Frank Anchor which sources he was referring to earlier. - "Ghost of Dan Gurney" ( work / talk) 20:47, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
- Refs 4 and 5 (which is the same article picked up by multiple outlets so counts as one) offer significant biographical information, ref 7 indicates that he will start for another driver (far from a routine event in NASCAR) in addition to some routine coverage allowing it to go past the GNG threshold. Frank Anchor 13:24, 8 December 2022 (UTC)
- Keep He's run in the NASCAR Trucks series—if that's not good enough for notability, then why are we even here?
Andy Saunders (
talk)
00:45, 8 December 2022 (UTC)
- Please see WP:NMOTORSPORT; these guidelines were updated recently and the language is such that a full season in Cup is usually what is looked for now. Regardless, they are subordinate to the WP:GNG. - "Ghost of Dan Gurney" ( work / talk) 02:58, 8 December 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. Clear fail of
WP:GNG (most of the sources are primary and are from NASCAR's official website). The coverage currently is
WP:ROUTINE at best.
Sportsfan 1234 (
talk)
02:23, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
- ROUTINE is a subsection of the notability guideline for events. A person is not an event, and so ROUTINE does not apply here. BeanieFan11 ( talk) 19:49, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.