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The result was redirect to Renegade (band). Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 16:40, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
Kenny Marquez
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Marquez's notability is attributed to his band but notability is not inherited. What perhaps is more concerning is the non-encyclopedic and at time promotional tone of this article. The sources aren't particularly reliable to gauge notability and, if there is anything relevant it, it can be discussed in the band article with neutral language. TheGracefulSlick ( talk) 20:16, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Baby miss fortune 02:19, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
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- Marquez first came to international attention as a result of being an extraordinary guitar player, lead singer and songwriter. He wrote the song Dance With Me and is at least partially responsible for sales of more than 30 million records by Renegade. While notoriety is not inherited, it can flow from notoriety achieved as a result of one's own accomplishments. An example of inherited notoriety can flow from the offspring of a notable principal, whereas Marquez's notoriety results from his contribution to Renegade, being an original member of the first Latin metal band and the international sales of more than 30 million records. Marquez did not "inherit" his notoriety, he earned it as a member of a notable band. While the article could benefit from improvement, as is the case with most WP articles, it would be very arbitrary to start deleting articles because they may be lacking. A quick read of most articles concerning rock bands demonstrates weaknesses in their authorship. The answer is to solicit improvement, not to throw away the baby with the bath water. The rush to delete mentality contributes to edit wars on WP and should be avoided at all cost. We all have a duty to get along, help each other and promote a civil discourse. If I start nominating articles for deletion, it will undoubtedly anger those who spent their time and effort contributing to those articles. The next thing you know, those people are nominating my articles for deletion or vandalizing my edits. I urge everyone to take deletions very seriously and err on the side of restraint and improvement before arbitrarily deleting other's work. Finally, what's notable to you may not be notable to me, so an objective view is essential. Thank you for your consideration.
Warriorboy85 (
talk) 03:37, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
- Most of this comment (by the article creator) is non-sensical but I'll address the "rush to delete mentality" I am apparently exhibiting. This puff piece has been around since 2009. Is nine years really a "rush" to deletion? AFD is a normal process on Wikipedia; don't blame it for any edit warring or pointy deletion nominations that allegedly occur in its wake. TheGracefulSlick ( talk)
- Marquez first came to international attention as a result of being an extraordinary guitar player, lead singer and songwriter. He wrote the song Dance With Me and is at least partially responsible for sales of more than 30 million records by Renegade. While notoriety is not inherited, it can flow from notoriety achieved as a result of one's own accomplishments. An example of inherited notoriety can flow from the offspring of a notable principal, whereas Marquez's notoriety results from his contribution to Renegade, being an original member of the first Latin metal band and the international sales of more than 30 million records. Marquez did not "inherit" his notoriety, he earned it as a member of a notable band. While the article could benefit from improvement, as is the case with most WP articles, it would be very arbitrary to start deleting articles because they may be lacking. A quick read of most articles concerning rock bands demonstrates weaknesses in their authorship. The answer is to solicit improvement, not to throw away the baby with the bath water. The rush to delete mentality contributes to edit wars on WP and should be avoided at all cost. We all have a duty to get along, help each other and promote a civil discourse. If I start nominating articles for deletion, it will undoubtedly anger those who spent their time and effort contributing to those articles. The next thing you know, those people are nominating my articles for deletion or vandalizing my edits. I urge everyone to take deletions very seriously and err on the side of restraint and improvement before arbitrarily deleting other's work. Finally, what's notable to you may not be notable to me, so an objective view is essential. Thank you for your consideration.
Warriorboy85 (
talk) 03:37, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
- Redirect to Renegade. I don't see any indication that this subject is independently notable outside of the band. Even the article's author admits above this subject's notability derives from the band. ShelbyMarion ( talk) 13:55, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
- Redirect to Renegade (band) for now – the only article I can find about his solo career is an interview in his local paper [1]. Doesn't appear to be notable outside the band, his solo career appearing to consist of gigs at local California vineyards and the like. I can't see any individual notability for his bandmates Tony De La Rosa (rock guitarist) and Luis Cardenas either. I'm willing to believe that Renegade themselves were notable, but at the moment their article is entirely sourced to the band's website, the record company's website and social media, and is full of peacock language and demonstrably false statements (the band never had a single hit in the UK, for example). The claim of 30 million sales made above by the article creator seems to rest on an amateur video on YouTube featuring that well known musical authority, David Hasselhoff.
- Puzzling comment by the article author, who appears to agree with the nominator that Marquez is not individually notable, that notability is an "objective view" and not bound by WP:N, and that Wikipedia editors are spiteful enough to engage in tit-for-tat AfD nominations if their article gets nominated. Richard3120 ( talk) 18:40, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was redirect to Renegade (band). Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 16:40, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
Kenny Marquez
- Kenny Marquez ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
Marquez's notability is attributed to his band but notability is not inherited. What perhaps is more concerning is the non-encyclopedic and at time promotional tone of this article. The sources aren't particularly reliable to gauge notability and, if there is anything relevant it, it can be discussed in the band article with neutral language. TheGracefulSlick ( talk) 20:16, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Baby miss fortune 02:19, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Baby miss fortune 02:19, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. Baby miss fortune 02:20, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the
list of United States of America-related deletion discussions.
Baby
miss
fortune 02:20, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
- Marquez first came to international attention as a result of being an extraordinary guitar player, lead singer and songwriter. He wrote the song Dance With Me and is at least partially responsible for sales of more than 30 million records by Renegade. While notoriety is not inherited, it can flow from notoriety achieved as a result of one's own accomplishments. An example of inherited notoriety can flow from the offspring of a notable principal, whereas Marquez's notoriety results from his contribution to Renegade, being an original member of the first Latin metal band and the international sales of more than 30 million records. Marquez did not "inherit" his notoriety, he earned it as a member of a notable band. While the article could benefit from improvement, as is the case with most WP articles, it would be very arbitrary to start deleting articles because they may be lacking. A quick read of most articles concerning rock bands demonstrates weaknesses in their authorship. The answer is to solicit improvement, not to throw away the baby with the bath water. The rush to delete mentality contributes to edit wars on WP and should be avoided at all cost. We all have a duty to get along, help each other and promote a civil discourse. If I start nominating articles for deletion, it will undoubtedly anger those who spent their time and effort contributing to those articles. The next thing you know, those people are nominating my articles for deletion or vandalizing my edits. I urge everyone to take deletions very seriously and err on the side of restraint and improvement before arbitrarily deleting other's work. Finally, what's notable to you may not be notable to me, so an objective view is essential. Thank you for your consideration.
Warriorboy85 (
talk) 03:37, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
- Most of this comment (by the article creator) is non-sensical but I'll address the "rush to delete mentality" I am apparently exhibiting. This puff piece has been around since 2009. Is nine years really a "rush" to deletion? AFD is a normal process on Wikipedia; don't blame it for any edit warring or pointy deletion nominations that allegedly occur in its wake. TheGracefulSlick ( talk)
- Marquez first came to international attention as a result of being an extraordinary guitar player, lead singer and songwriter. He wrote the song Dance With Me and is at least partially responsible for sales of more than 30 million records by Renegade. While notoriety is not inherited, it can flow from notoriety achieved as a result of one's own accomplishments. An example of inherited notoriety can flow from the offspring of a notable principal, whereas Marquez's notoriety results from his contribution to Renegade, being an original member of the first Latin metal band and the international sales of more than 30 million records. Marquez did not "inherit" his notoriety, he earned it as a member of a notable band. While the article could benefit from improvement, as is the case with most WP articles, it would be very arbitrary to start deleting articles because they may be lacking. A quick read of most articles concerning rock bands demonstrates weaknesses in their authorship. The answer is to solicit improvement, not to throw away the baby with the bath water. The rush to delete mentality contributes to edit wars on WP and should be avoided at all cost. We all have a duty to get along, help each other and promote a civil discourse. If I start nominating articles for deletion, it will undoubtedly anger those who spent their time and effort contributing to those articles. The next thing you know, those people are nominating my articles for deletion or vandalizing my edits. I urge everyone to take deletions very seriously and err on the side of restraint and improvement before arbitrarily deleting other's work. Finally, what's notable to you may not be notable to me, so an objective view is essential. Thank you for your consideration.
Warriorboy85 (
talk) 03:37, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
- Redirect to Renegade. I don't see any indication that this subject is independently notable outside of the band. Even the article's author admits above this subject's notability derives from the band. ShelbyMarion ( talk) 13:55, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
- Redirect to Renegade (band) for now – the only article I can find about his solo career is an interview in his local paper [1]. Doesn't appear to be notable outside the band, his solo career appearing to consist of gigs at local California vineyards and the like. I can't see any individual notability for his bandmates Tony De La Rosa (rock guitarist) and Luis Cardenas either. I'm willing to believe that Renegade themselves were notable, but at the moment their article is entirely sourced to the band's website, the record company's website and social media, and is full of peacock language and demonstrably false statements (the band never had a single hit in the UK, for example). The claim of 30 million sales made above by the article creator seems to rest on an amateur video on YouTube featuring that well known musical authority, David Hasselhoff.
- Puzzling comment by the article author, who appears to agree with the nominator that Marquez is not individually notable, that notability is an "objective view" and not bound by WP:N, and that Wikipedia editors are spiteful enough to engage in tit-for-tat AfD nominations if their article gets nominated. Richard3120 ( talk) 18:40, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.