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The result was delete. Evidence of notability failed to be presented during the course of this discussion, via significant coverage, in multiple, independent, reliable, sources. Therefore, this article is found to lack the requisite notability for inclusion on this encyclopedia. — Coffee // have a ☕️ // beans // 12:51, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
Jesse Rice
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Wrote exactly one notable song. The sources listed are all about the song he wrote, and not about him himself. Searching found no sources that were about him personally, absolutely no biographical info found whatsoever. Last AFD closed as "no consensus" after three relists. Ten Pound Hammer • ( What did I screw up now?) 18:48, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
- Comment Are any of these sources any good?: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. Adam9007 ( talk) 19:12, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
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- If this article fails notability, then it should be redirected to Cruise (song), the song mentioned by nom. LaundryPizza03 ( talk) 01:26, 1 January 2018 (UTC)
- Delete as is not notable and is only trivially mentioned on Cruise (song). PriceDL ( talk) 01:54, 1 January 2018 (UTC)
- Delete a non-notable musician. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 02:53, 1 January 2018 (UTC)
- Procedural close Nominator waited 12 hours and 21 minutes after the previous AfD to nominate the article again. The volunteer community has already considered this article for three weeks. See WP:Renominating for deletion. Unscintillating ( talk) 23:06, 1 January 2018 (UTC)
- @ Unscintillating: And absolutely none of that is set in stone. Stop wikilawyering. The last discussion was closed because it garnered no new comments after two relists. Already, this nomination has garnered a far more lively discussion than the last two combined, so it's clear that the renomination was not a bad idea. Ten Pound Hammer • ( What did I screw up now?) 04:35, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
- Why did you not wait two months? Unscintillating ( talk) 05:06, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
- @ Unscintillating: Why do you think I absolutely have to? Again, it's clear that relisting immediately has had a positive effect. Two months is not mandatory. There's a reason WP:NPASR exists. Ten Pound Hammer • ( What did I screw up now?) 05:22, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
- This wasn't a WP:NPASR closure. Just what do you think it means "with prejudice"? (open book question). Unscintillating ( talk) 08:13, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
- There is nothing saying I absolutely must not reopen. Is the two months thing mandatory? NO. So stop wikilawyering. Ten Pound Hammer • ( What did I screw up now?) 16:49, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
- Your avoidance of the question of what it means "with prejudice" is your Wikilawyering, because this is written and you've already cited it as relevant. But that meaning can be inferred that it means that there is a community prejudice against hasty renominations. Please withdraw your nomination. Unscintillating ( talk) 18:40, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
- Why should I withdraw a nomination that already has a significant amount of participation? That would be completely unnecessarily blunting an active discussion just for the sake of process. Again, will you just tell me what part of your so called "two month" rule is mandatory? Ten Pound Hammer • ( What did I screw up now?) 02:28, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
- I'm not a wikilawyer, so I don't know, but disruption is a blockable offense when it the block is needed to prevent future disruption. No hard feelings, ok? I'm done here. Unscintillating ( talk) 03:29, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
- Keep. His song "Cruise" is the highest-selling country music song of all time and only country song to receive a Diamond certification by the RIAA. [1] He has other songs too. Signed to a worldwide publishing deal with Ole Music Publishing also. desmay ( talk) 00:05, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
- @ Desmay: But he wrote literally nothing else of note. He was also one of five writers on the song. Ten Pound Hammer • ( What did I screw up now?) 01:11, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
- Delete: non-notable musician who co-wrote a popular country song and won some awards in life. No way this meets GNG at all. Kiteinthewind Leave a message! 02:48, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
- Delete- Being one of the authors on one notable song in no way confers notability on this person. Reyk YO! 06:23, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
- Keep - Co-writer of one of the biggest (not to mention overplayed) country hits ever. There certainly is more coverage on specifically him and his work. [2] [3] [4]. The nom re-nominating this in less than 24 hours is bad form. -- Oakshade ( talk) 06:33, 2 January 2018 (UTC) Guess it needs to be said per another comment below, these sources show significant coverage by secondary sources independent of the subject indicating passing GNG. -- Oakshade ( talk) 04:25, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
- Comment: Simply co-writing a once popular country song is not notability. That's a
WP:INHERITED violation.
Kiteinthewind
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- WP:INHERITED has nothing to do with this article. WP:INHERITED would apply if this person was simply ‘’related’’ to the co-writer of one of the most popular songs in Country history who has also received in-depth coverage.-- Oakshade ( talk) 04:25, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
- Comment: Simply co-writing a once popular country song is not notability. That's a
WP:INHERITED violation.
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- Delete per nom. Does not meet GNG: no significant coverage in secondary sources independent of the subject. Retarget to Cruise is acceptable as an option if that's his only Wikipedia-notable contribution. AngusWOOF ( bark • sniff) 01:53, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 19:18, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 19:18, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 21:42, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
- Keep Lots and lots of articles about this subject, his albums, song he's written, his wprk with other artists and his performances. I added a some. [1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by FloridaArmy ( talk • contribs) 01:37, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
References
- ^ “A Little Dive Bar in Dahlonega.”
- Delete or merge: -- the subject with co-credit with the authorship of the song, among four total contributors. This is insufficient to base notability solely on the song. Significant RS coverage addressing the subject's career has not bee presented at this AfD, so deletion should be the natural outcome. K.e.coffman ( talk) 03:26, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
- Delete or merge: Not notable per GNG. Co-wrote a song ("Cruise") with five other people that received notability. Digging around it can be found the subject is involved with the Country beach songs Sessions I, II, and II but nothing notable. Rice performs locally around Florida on front porches or the bow of a boat. A fan can find sales on iTunes or other locations and when I searched almost everything was advertisement related to purchasing a song. We end up with a pseudo-biography about a man that co-wrote a popular song. "Almost" clears WP:COMPOSER but that includes (among other criteria) "Where possible, composers or lyricists with insufficient verifiable material to warrant a reasonably detailed article should be merged into the article about their work.". This BLP mentions "Cruise" four times and any mention I can find on searching circles around this co-wrote song. Otr500 ( talk) 08:23, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
- Delete as per Reyk. Cheers, 1292simon ( talk) 09:07, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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The result was delete. Evidence of notability failed to be presented during the course of this discussion, via significant coverage, in multiple, independent, reliable, sources. Therefore, this article is found to lack the requisite notability for inclusion on this encyclopedia. — Coffee // have a ☕️ // beans // 12:51, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
Jesse Rice
AfDs for this article:
- Jesse Rice ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
Wrote exactly one notable song. The sources listed are all about the song he wrote, and not about him himself. Searching found no sources that were about him personally, absolutely no biographical info found whatsoever. Last AFD closed as "no consensus" after three relists. Ten Pound Hammer • ( What did I screw up now?) 18:48, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
- Comment Are any of these sources any good?: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. Adam9007 ( talk) 19:12, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. PriceDL ( talk) 19:24, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. PriceDL ( talk) 19:24, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. PriceDL ( talk) 19:24, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. PriceDL ( talk) 19:24, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
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- If this article fails notability, then it should be redirected to Cruise (song), the song mentioned by nom. LaundryPizza03 ( talk) 01:26, 1 January 2018 (UTC)
- Delete as is not notable and is only trivially mentioned on Cruise (song). PriceDL ( talk) 01:54, 1 January 2018 (UTC)
- Delete a non-notable musician. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 02:53, 1 January 2018 (UTC)
- Procedural close Nominator waited 12 hours and 21 minutes after the previous AfD to nominate the article again. The volunteer community has already considered this article for three weeks. See WP:Renominating for deletion. Unscintillating ( talk) 23:06, 1 January 2018 (UTC)
- @ Unscintillating: And absolutely none of that is set in stone. Stop wikilawyering. The last discussion was closed because it garnered no new comments after two relists. Already, this nomination has garnered a far more lively discussion than the last two combined, so it's clear that the renomination was not a bad idea. Ten Pound Hammer • ( What did I screw up now?) 04:35, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
- Why did you not wait two months? Unscintillating ( talk) 05:06, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
- @ Unscintillating: Why do you think I absolutely have to? Again, it's clear that relisting immediately has had a positive effect. Two months is not mandatory. There's a reason WP:NPASR exists. Ten Pound Hammer • ( What did I screw up now?) 05:22, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
- This wasn't a WP:NPASR closure. Just what do you think it means "with prejudice"? (open book question). Unscintillating ( talk) 08:13, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
- There is nothing saying I absolutely must not reopen. Is the two months thing mandatory? NO. So stop wikilawyering. Ten Pound Hammer • ( What did I screw up now?) 16:49, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
- Your avoidance of the question of what it means "with prejudice" is your Wikilawyering, because this is written and you've already cited it as relevant. But that meaning can be inferred that it means that there is a community prejudice against hasty renominations. Please withdraw your nomination. Unscintillating ( talk) 18:40, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
- Why should I withdraw a nomination that already has a significant amount of participation? That would be completely unnecessarily blunting an active discussion just for the sake of process. Again, will you just tell me what part of your so called "two month" rule is mandatory? Ten Pound Hammer • ( What did I screw up now?) 02:28, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
- I'm not a wikilawyer, so I don't know, but disruption is a blockable offense when it the block is needed to prevent future disruption. No hard feelings, ok? I'm done here. Unscintillating ( talk) 03:29, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
- Keep. His song "Cruise" is the highest-selling country music song of all time and only country song to receive a Diamond certification by the RIAA. [1] He has other songs too. Signed to a worldwide publishing deal with Ole Music Publishing also. desmay ( talk) 00:05, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
- @ Desmay: But he wrote literally nothing else of note. He was also one of five writers on the song. Ten Pound Hammer • ( What did I screw up now?) 01:11, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
- Delete: non-notable musician who co-wrote a popular country song and won some awards in life. No way this meets GNG at all. Kiteinthewind Leave a message! 02:48, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
- Delete- Being one of the authors on one notable song in no way confers notability on this person. Reyk YO! 06:23, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
- Keep - Co-writer of one of the biggest (not to mention overplayed) country hits ever. There certainly is more coverage on specifically him and his work. [2] [3] [4]. The nom re-nominating this in less than 24 hours is bad form. -- Oakshade ( talk) 06:33, 2 January 2018 (UTC) Guess it needs to be said per another comment below, these sources show significant coverage by secondary sources independent of the subject indicating passing GNG. -- Oakshade ( talk) 04:25, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
- Comment: Simply co-writing a once popular country song is not notability. That's a
WP:INHERITED violation.
Kiteinthewind
Leave a message!
19:07, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
- WP:INHERITED has nothing to do with this article. WP:INHERITED would apply if this person was simply ‘’related’’ to the co-writer of one of the most popular songs in Country history who has also received in-depth coverage.-- Oakshade ( talk) 04:25, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
- Comment: Simply co-writing a once popular country song is not notability. That's a
WP:INHERITED violation.
Kiteinthewind
Leave a message!
19:07, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Does not meet GNG: no significant coverage in secondary sources independent of the subject. Retarget to Cruise is acceptable as an option if that's his only Wikipedia-notable contribution. AngusWOOF ( bark • sniff) 01:53, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 19:18, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 19:18, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Tennessee-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 02:20, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 21:42, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 21:42, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
- Keep Lots and lots of articles about this subject, his albums, song he's written, his wprk with other artists and his performances. I added a some. [1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by FloridaArmy ( talk • contribs) 01:37, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
References
- ^ “A Little Dive Bar in Dahlonega.”
- Delete or merge: -- the subject with co-credit with the authorship of the song, among four total contributors. This is insufficient to base notability solely on the song. Significant RS coverage addressing the subject's career has not bee presented at this AfD, so deletion should be the natural outcome. K.e.coffman ( talk) 03:26, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
- Delete or merge: Not notable per GNG. Co-wrote a song ("Cruise") with five other people that received notability. Digging around it can be found the subject is involved with the Country beach songs Sessions I, II, and II but nothing notable. Rice performs locally around Florida on front porches or the bow of a boat. A fan can find sales on iTunes or other locations and when I searched almost everything was advertisement related to purchasing a song. We end up with a pseudo-biography about a man that co-wrote a popular song. "Almost" clears WP:COMPOSER but that includes (among other criteria) "Where possible, composers or lyricists with insufficient verifiable material to warrant a reasonably detailed article should be merged into the article about their work.". This BLP mentions "Cruise" four times and any mention I can find on searching circles around this co-wrote song. Otr500 ( talk) 08:23, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
- Delete as per Reyk. Cheers, 1292simon ( talk) 09:07, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
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