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The result was delete. ✗ plicit 06:06, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
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Fails WP:SIGCOV, WP:BIO. Refs are profiles and passing mentions. scope_creep Talk 14:01, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - Thank you for the links. I'll review and see if there's a path forward with resolving this issue. I initially created this page because he's been heavily featured in the press, but I understand your perspective.-- Mr.EugeneKrab$ ( talk) 16:43, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
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- There is a no
WP:SECONDARY newspapers sources here. It is all either him or the companies he's working for. You will need evidence he is notable per
WP:THREE. The article is just
WP:PROMO with no illusion to being notable.
scope_creep
Talk
17:10, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for the guidance. Working to resolve issue!-- Mr.EugeneKrab$ ( talk) 16:54, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
- I have edited the article and added relevant sources. I hope it works.
Lusa131313 (
talk)
09:46, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
- This editor is a WP:SPA and a WP:UPE. scope_creep Talk 08:37, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
- There is a no
WP:SECONDARY newspapers sources here. It is all either him or the companies he's working for. You will need evidence he is notable per
WP:THREE. The article is just
WP:PROMO with no illusion to being notable.
scope_creep
Talk
17:10, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Lets examine the first two block, 19 in total.
- Ref 1 [1] Profile, likely written by himself. Not independent as profile are generally written by the person themselves.
- Ref 2 [2] Routine annoucement that arrived to lecture. Not independent.
- Ref 3 [3] Passing mention
- Ref 4 [4] Routine annoucement. Press-release. Not independent.
- Ref 5 [5] Routine annoucement. Not independent.
- Ref 6 [6] Passing mention of new job. Routine annoucement. Not independent.
- Ref 7 [7] Same ref as above. Routine annoucment of employment. Not independent.
- Ref 8 [8] "the building materials giant said on Sunday" "The U.S. operations were "simply too successful to be run as a subsidiary," Jenisch said." Not independent.
- Ref 9 [9] "Jan Jenisch: “I am very pleased that the Board has appointed Miljan" Not independent.
- Ref 10 [10] "Holcim Ltd., the world’s largest cement maker, said Sunday it plans to separate its fast-growing North American business" Not indepenent.
- Ref 11 [11] "Our North American business is a real rock star. We doubled the company just in the last four years by strong organic growth, by acquisitions. And we have leading margins, the EBITDA margin is already above 27%," Jenisch told CNBC on Monday" Not independent.
I'm not going to do anymore. It is a waste of time. None of these reference constitute reliable WP:SECONDARY sources. They all come from the company. They prove he is exists and that is it. WP:BLP states "Wikipedia must get the article right. Be very firm about the use of high-quality sources." It fails that criteria. WP:BIO state three criteria to be notable. He fails every criteria. Fails WP:SIGCOV, WP:BIO. scope_creep Talk 16:36, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 08:34, 6 February 2024 (UTC)- I agree & have moved on myself. Having added as much sourcing as possible, I'm not sure if there is currently anything more out there.-- Mr.EugeneKrab$ ( talk) 16:00, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, The Herald (Benison) ( talk) 03:47, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - WP:NOTPROMO And his achievements were ... WHAT? Reads like a self-promotion résumé, the kind you put out there for publicity purposes. But it lists absolutely nothing about achievements. — Maile ( talk) 15:20, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
- Delete [12] is a profile page, [13] it is not in-depth about Jan Jenisch, [14], [15] Again PR announcement other shared sources are also same. Lordofhunter ( talk) 09:59, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
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Fails WP:SIGCOV, WP:BIO. Refs are profiles and passing mentions. scope_creep Talk 14:01, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - Thank you for the links. I'll review and see if there's a path forward with resolving this issue. I initially created this page because he's been heavily featured in the press, but I understand your perspective.-- Mr.EugeneKrab$ ( talk) 16:43, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Germany-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 15:19, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 15:19, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Switzerland-related deletion discussions. Skynxnex ( talk) 16:12, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
- There is a no
WP:SECONDARY newspapers sources here. It is all either him or the companies he's working for. You will need evidence he is notable per
WP:THREE. The article is just
WP:PROMO with no illusion to being notable.
scope_creep
Talk
17:10, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for the guidance. Working to resolve issue!-- Mr.EugeneKrab$ ( talk) 16:54, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
- I have edited the article and added relevant sources. I hope it works.
Lusa131313 (
talk)
09:46, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
- This editor is a WP:SPA and a WP:UPE. scope_creep Talk 08:37, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
- There is a no
WP:SECONDARY newspapers sources here. It is all either him or the companies he's working for. You will need evidence he is notable per
WP:THREE. The article is just
WP:PROMO with no illusion to being notable.
scope_creep
Talk
17:10, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Lets examine the first two block, 19 in total.
- Ref 1 [1] Profile, likely written by himself. Not independent as profile are generally written by the person themselves.
- Ref 2 [2] Routine annoucement that arrived to lecture. Not independent.
- Ref 3 [3] Passing mention
- Ref 4 [4] Routine annoucement. Press-release. Not independent.
- Ref 5 [5] Routine annoucement. Not independent.
- Ref 6 [6] Passing mention of new job. Routine annoucement. Not independent.
- Ref 7 [7] Same ref as above. Routine annoucment of employment. Not independent.
- Ref 8 [8] "the building materials giant said on Sunday" "The U.S. operations were "simply too successful to be run as a subsidiary," Jenisch said." Not independent.
- Ref 9 [9] "Jan Jenisch: “I am very pleased that the Board has appointed Miljan" Not independent.
- Ref 10 [10] "Holcim Ltd., the world’s largest cement maker, said Sunday it plans to separate its fast-growing North American business" Not indepenent.
- Ref 11 [11] "Our North American business is a real rock star. We doubled the company just in the last four years by strong organic growth, by acquisitions. And we have leading margins, the EBITDA margin is already above 27%," Jenisch told CNBC on Monday" Not independent.
I'm not going to do anymore. It is a waste of time. None of these reference constitute reliable WP:SECONDARY sources. They all come from the company. They prove he is exists and that is it. WP:BLP states "Wikipedia must get the article right. Be very firm about the use of high-quality sources." It fails that criteria. WP:BIO state three criteria to be notable. He fails every criteria. Fails WP:SIGCOV, WP:BIO. scope_creep Talk 16:36, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 08:34, 6 February 2024 (UTC)- I agree & have moved on myself. Having added as much sourcing as possible, I'm not sure if there is currently anything more out there.-- Mr.EugeneKrab$ ( talk) 16:00, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, The Herald (Benison) ( talk) 03:47, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - WP:NOTPROMO And his achievements were ... WHAT? Reads like a self-promotion résumé, the kind you put out there for publicity purposes. But it lists absolutely nothing about achievements. — Maile ( talk) 15:20, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
- Delete [12] is a profile page, [13] it is not in-depth about Jan Jenisch, [14], [15] Again PR announcement other shared sources are also same. Lordofhunter ( talk) 09:59, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.