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The result was redirect to Rugby union at the 1900 Summer Olympics. or the #Rosters section. That's within editorial discretion. Star Mississippi 01:56, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
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Prod removed without explanation or addition of sources. Prod justification was Fails
WP:GNG,
WP:SPORTCRIT #5,
WP:NOLYMPICS, and violates the general criteria of
WP:NOTDATABASE. No significant coverage in our article or the German article, and no coverage identifiable in a search.
BilledMammal (
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- If nothing can be found on this guy, then redirect to Rugby union at the 1900 Summer Olympics per WP:ATD, WP:PRESERVE, WP:R#KEEP and WP:CHEAP. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 11:24, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
- Delete about half the article is just plain false. He was not a member of the German team, there were no national teams at the Olympics until at least 1908. The team he was part of did not win a silver medal, the practice of awarding gold, silver and bronze medals did not start until the 1904 adjunct games to the St. Louis World's Fair, which were designated an Olympics but had most of the actual competition being between various clubs from various cities in the US, including multiple clubs from St. Louis itself, at least one such St. Louis club sponsored multiple teams in the same competition as well. Basically to act as if any rules about covering modern olympics make any sesne pre-1908 just does not make sense, and this means we should not have sub-stubs that flasely use the language that applies to modern Olympics to essentially mislead our readers about the first Olympics. This is essentially turning Wikipedia into a propaganda organ for the spreading of the story of the Olympics they want to tell, which does not conform to the reality of the first few games and what that games are. It is not the function of Wikipedia to spread revisinistic propaganda to help create the nythology of an institution, and that is what this article is doing at present. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 13:36, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople, Rugby union, and Germany. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 19:54, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
- Redirect to Rugby union at the 1900 Summer Olympics#Rosters Doesn't appear to be enough for a GNG pass, although there might be some offline sourcing in books for example, but without any really information on him at all, I think this unlikely. Without this though, redirect is a suitable WP:ATD and there doesn't look to be any confusion with the name to stop a redirect here. Rugbyfan22 ( talk) 17:46, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
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The result was redirect to Rugby union at the 1900 Summer Olympics. or the #Rosters section. That's within editorial discretion. Star Mississippi 01:56, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
Jacob Herrmann
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Prod removed without explanation or addition of sources. Prod justification was Fails
WP:GNG,
WP:SPORTCRIT #5,
WP:NOLYMPICS, and violates the general criteria of
WP:NOTDATABASE. No significant coverage in our article or the German article, and no coverage identifiable in a search.
BilledMammal (
talk) 09:33, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
- If nothing can be found on this guy, then redirect to Rugby union at the 1900 Summer Olympics per WP:ATD, WP:PRESERVE, WP:R#KEEP and WP:CHEAP. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 11:24, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
- Delete about half the article is just plain false. He was not a member of the German team, there were no national teams at the Olympics until at least 1908. The team he was part of did not win a silver medal, the practice of awarding gold, silver and bronze medals did not start until the 1904 adjunct games to the St. Louis World's Fair, which were designated an Olympics but had most of the actual competition being between various clubs from various cities in the US, including multiple clubs from St. Louis itself, at least one such St. Louis club sponsored multiple teams in the same competition as well. Basically to act as if any rules about covering modern olympics make any sesne pre-1908 just does not make sense, and this means we should not have sub-stubs that flasely use the language that applies to modern Olympics to essentially mislead our readers about the first Olympics. This is essentially turning Wikipedia into a propaganda organ for the spreading of the story of the Olympics they want to tell, which does not conform to the reality of the first few games and what that games are. It is not the function of Wikipedia to spread revisinistic propaganda to help create the nythology of an institution, and that is what this article is doing at present. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 13:36, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople, Rugby union, and Germany. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 19:54, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
- Redirect to Rugby union at the 1900 Summer Olympics#Rosters Doesn't appear to be enough for a GNG pass, although there might be some offline sourcing in books for example, but without any really information on him at all, I think this unlikely. Without this though, redirect is a suitable WP:ATD and there doesn't look to be any confusion with the name to stop a redirect here. Rugbyfan22 ( talk) 17:46, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
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