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The result was delete. Modussiccandi ( talk) 11:33, 4 June 2022 (UTC) reply

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Non notable businessman and philanthropist who has won a non notable prize and opened a cafe in a railway station. Sources are mostly either not independent or not reliable (I’m not sure about “Telegram”). Mccapra ( talk) 20:50, 23 May 2022 (UTC) reply

Hello, I do not know who made this article(it looks as anti- advertising by someone who does not like the author), but Iliyan Kuzmanov is the most famous Bulgarian writer and social enterpreneur in this moment! He is a social enterpreneur who is fighting coruption, human trafficing, domestic violence, gender aquality, and freedom of though, he is a real hero in Bulgaria! Please let me help improve this article. By accident I discover this mess, but deffinetly was made by someone who does not like the writer. He is victimise by the Russian propaganda in Bulgaria, because of helping the LGDP comunity and Ukrainian refugees. I am his huge fan, and I willingly help to corect the injustice. Here is his Bulgarian Wikipedia Page:
Илиян Кузманов – Уикипедия (wikipedia.org)
https://bg.wikipedia.org/ StoyanUbenov ( talk) 13:31, 24 May 2022 (UTC) StoyanUbenov ( talkcontribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. reply
comment - The edit you have done on the article has actually worsened its condition. There are some serious problems with sourcing; let's look at a few that really stand out (the English ones; my Bulgarian is nonexistent). Ref 2 is some sort of blog, no byline, and very glowing, almost as if self-written. 11 is a fake newspaper - one of those ones that pretends to be something big and sells coverage; the editor they list doesn't appear to exist. 26 is a press release. 44... honestly, what the hell. FilmDaily appears to be trash, probably paid service; coverage of the award is by fake sites that are certainly paid services (and they all misspell Hemingway). 45 is also almost certainly paid - it is exactly the same structure as the coverage of the FilmDaily awards, and has similar wording. All in all, this is almost certainly an attempt to buy notability for this subject. Thank you, though, for providing more evidence for us to consider. Tony Fox (arf!) 17:08, 24 May 2022 (UTC) reply
Thanks Tony, I did a 100% translate of the Buglarian wiki. And was using all the sources from there. I will provide all the national medias that are missing in the bulgarian article. The guy was on and on on tv and newspapers, I know his work from my hometown. Take into account that Bulgaria is with one of the worst corruption ratios, and people like this one are like rare gems here.... StoyanUbenov ( talk) 17:56, 24 May 2022 (UTC) StoyanUbenov ( talkcontribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. reply
https://bnt.bg/news/iliyan-kuzmanov-parviyat-balgarin-v-klasaciyata-top-20-na-amazon-s-knigata-si-ako-sreshtnesh-buda-ubiy-go-razshirena-versiya-v313346-302151news.html
https://bntnews.bg/news/sreshta-s-balgarskiya-pisatel-dostignal-top-20-po-prodazhbi-na-amazon-1179647news.html
https://bnr.bg/play/post/101577367/ilian-kuzmanov
https://bnr.radio/horizont/post/101585075/ilia-kuzmanov-pomaga-na-jeni-jertvi-na-nasilie
https://nova.bg/news/view/2022/01/29/354124/%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B9-%D0%B5-%D0%B1%D1%8A%D0%BB%D0%B3%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BD%D1%8A%D1%82-%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%BA%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BB-amazon/
https://www.btv.bg/shows/predi-obed/videos/koj-e-naj-seksapilnijat-pisatel-v-sveta.html StoyanUbenov ( talk) 18:00, 24 May 2022 (UTC) StoyanUbenov ( talkcontribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. reply
These are National Tv Networks and National Radio Stations. Will replace the weak sources. And will be happy for assistance. I donn't know who did the original page, but was a real mess. The guy is helping thousends of people. StoyanUbenov ( talk) 18:03, 24 May 2022 (UTC) StoyanUbenov ( talkcontribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. reply
Can you provide any reference that explains the Top 20 Amazon rank? Because he's currently in the mid-118,000s on Kindle (it's only available as an e-book, looks like), but is higher in a few of the e-book subgenres. Every article where it's mentioned only says "Top 20" but doesn't say what top 20. Also, I'm still very concerned that most of the English coverage of the subject is in paid-placement sources. Tony Fox (arf!) 18:49, 24 May 2022 (UTC) reply
Tony, in the sources is BNT, NTV and BTV- the 3 major National Networks in Bulgaria. There is Tv Evropa, that is Euronews now, the major EU tv network, with around 300 milions subscribers. In the sources mentioned here is BTA- Bulgarian Telegraph Agency, the bigest Balcan Info Network, milions of people around the world are using it, Reuters is major partner. BNR and Darik are the bigest radio networks around. All of them speaks about it. Maybe they all did fact checks or checked with Amazon, what do you think? These are the bigest and most influential medias, most owned by major Western companies. Or maybe you are well informed than all them. I really do not understand what is happening here, really bizare issue. Moreover to not believe to all these medias and to be so determinent in blaming someone. Really no words! Check Google Bulgaria, check Google Turkey- 10 ot Thousends sources, about a real hero, and here someone is trying to make a joke from him. StoyanUbenov ( talk) 19:39, 24 May 2022 (UTC) StoyanUbenov ( talkcontribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. reply
That's all great, but absolutely none of the sources I've seen have mentioned the actual metric being measured. They all say "Top 20 on Amazon." His book is currently #1,119,423 in the Kindle Store; to go from top 15 to that in the space of several months is a pretty big fall, so I can only assume that it made the top 20 in one of the subcategories; I know that on one viewing of the page it was #37 in 'teen philosophy e-books' or somesuch. This is the challenge - we have extraordinary claims being made, but the sourcing is very concerning, simply because there are a lot of obviously paid-for articles in the English sphere. I again can't speak to Bulgarian sources, but I am going to encourage more eyes to review them. Tony Fox (arf!) 20:15, 24 May 2022 (UTC) reply
Tony, you assume one of the sources was crap, the other probably was paid... Now you assume that all the rest of the medias are biassed, even Euronews and Reuters. I am speachless man. By the way, Euronews, NTV and BTV said, yes 15 in Top 20, that means your Bulgarian or Russian is preaty good, congratulations!
And you dont mention the print medias, newspapers in Bulgaria, Macedonia, Turkey, 45, 000 results with the name Илиян Кузманов, probably you assumed that all is paid? The guy probably is a richer than Musk to make such PR. And helping so many people, thousend of reffugees, women victims of traffic, prisons, homeless.... and you assume that all that is paid and not real? Increadible assumptions you are making! But again, congratulations for your Russian or Bulgarian language skills, initially you didnt have at all! StoyanUbenov ( talk) 20:54, 24 May 2022 (UTC) StoyanUbenov ( talkcontribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. reply
Assume good faith in dealing with other editors, please. I'm not assuming anything of the Bulgarian sources you've provided, because I can't read them beyond using Google to translate the pages. I also haven't made any claims that he hasn't helped people, because again I can't read or understand beyond machine translation of some of the sites you provided. The sources that I have seen, the English sources that are available, are significantly, in my opinion and drawing on years of experience on Wikipedia, paid promotion. If you would like to cast further aspersions on my motives, please feel free. Tony Fox (arf!) 22:00, 24 May 2022 (UTC) reply
Tony Fox, if you assume good faith, you have to take into account few things, but you are really determined to not:
1. There is a protocol for existing page translations- and the page was translated(after the effort of someone unknown to make harm to one of the famoust bulgarian social enterpreneurs and writers).
2. 45, 000 results in Google about the name Илиян Кузманов, among them some of the bigest medias in EU and Turkey
3. From those 45, 000 sources, strangely, someone choose few, not very credible, 5 or 6 to be honest. Strangley why targeted them. And you make assumptions, that they are paid. But how about the rest 44, 995?
4. You point few things, that in your opinion, but not in the opinion for example of Euronews and Reuters, with more than a billion readers is fact checked information. And how about all the rest- the guy on first place is famous with his good deeds to society. Even his book in Bulgaria is for free, and copyright claims, because of the Pandemic and Economic Crisis now? He did whay more to change my society for good. And Wikipedia core is that?
5. Why no wonder, who made the original article, and why was made in such a way? Moreover, for example the Russian propaganda that is going around, and the trouble Iliyan had with Russian mafia, for example in London Uk(there are many articles about that). Even his second book is inspired by a russian prostitute he felt in love, and he got in a lot of problems. Why no questions about that? Because in my opinion, it was very strange. StoyanUbenov ( talk) 04:55, 25 May 2022 (UTC) StoyanUbenov ( talkcontribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. reply
From the looks of the article history, the article was created by someone who brought it over from .bg, but edited down. I don't know why it's being called problematic, it looks pretty similar to what's there now, just shorter.
As for the rest of your comments, my opinion stands: versions of this article have included references to paid marketing material, which, in my opinion, calls into question other sourcing; and the subject in question does not meet notability guidelines for authors. It is for other editors to take my comments, your comments, and the article as a whole and make their own decisions as to the suitability of this article for this encyclopedia. Tony Fox (arf!) 05:39, 25 May 2022 (UTC) reply
I hope that someone from the editors to take into the account, and look deeper the original article that was created by someone who disappeared from his "good work" according to Tony Fox. I hope also in assume good faith, someone will look all comments, from the first to the last of Tony Fox, who is doubting everything, but not the person who created the original. How from thousands and thousands different sources about a person with hundreds good deeds, someone took few not very credible sources, and created this whole issue. I hope that the most important in Wiki community is about our contribution to the society, and started with the idea about contributing society. And in this good spirit, lets be honest. DorraG ( talk) 06:49, 25 May 2022 (UTC)DorraG ( talkcontribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. reply
Please, it is an urban myth about the Russian escort and that he felt in love! The problems came when he destroyed a Russian human traffic network in Bulgaria.
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It was one very big case, there are a lot of info about it in the Polish and Latvian medias as well. Marko Kralev ( talk) 06:17, 25 May 2022 (UTC)Marko Kralev ( talkcontribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. reply
That is really great. From everything was paid, we went to what exactly place in Amazon,... and questionig the honesty of such big medias...by the way BTV was part of FOX Network, and NTV now is a part of UK group, that owns medias in many countries around the globe.
And why you don't ask the guy who created that nonsense initially? Why was created such "funny" article about such controversial figure now in Bulgaria? Who is targeted by the Russian propaganda. Iliyan is a journalist, writing about very interesting topics. Maybe really someone has to question the author of the article. Marko Kralev ( talk) 21:03, 24 May 2022 (UTC)Marko Kralev ( talkcontribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. reply
Guys, I don't know what is happening here, but Iliyan Kuzmanov is the most famous Bulgarian author now and a person who fight corruption and help a lot of people. You could check google:
https://www.google.bg/search?q=%D0%B8%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%8F%D0%BD+%D0%BA%D1%83%D0%B7%D0%BC%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B2&sxsrf=ALiCzsbtCkN7656ZnHY47awuw965j970yw%3A1653415950411&source=hp&ei=DiCNYqz2FfaXxc8Pp9KP0AI&iflsig=AJiK0e8AAAAAYo0uHvTH_SMyUCtDwmVIc2zBNmVFpSzr&oq=%D0%B8%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%8F%D0%BD+&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAEYADIECCMQJzIECCMQJzIECCMQJzIFCC4QywEyBQgAEMsBMggILhDUAhDLATIFCC4QywEyCAguENQCEMsBMgUIABDLATIFCAAQywE6BwgjEOoCECc6BQguEJECOgUIABCRAjoFCAAQgAQ6CwguEIAEEMcBEKMCOggILhDUAhCRAjoLCC4QgAQQxwEQrwE6CAguEIAEENQCOgUILhCABDoJCC4QgAQQChAqOgcILhCABBAKOgcIABCABBAKOgcIIxCxAhAnOgcILhAKEMsBOgcIABAKEMsBOgoILhDUAhAKEMsBOgQILhAnUIAMWKI7YL1HaAdwAHgAgAHFAYgB0QySAQQxLjExmAEAoAEBsAEK&sclient=gws-wiz DorraG ( talk) 18:17, 24 May 2022 (UTC)DorraG ( talkcontribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. reply
Hello everyone, I also discovered this article by chance. Iliyan is my favorite journalist and writer in Bulgaria. He is big social entrepreneur, person with heart and soul who is a real life changer for a lot of people. Please, allow me to help enhance the article that looks really unprofessional! DorraG ( talk) 14:57, 24 May 2022 (UTC)DorraG ( talkcontribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. reply
I would like to summarise what I saw in this article.
1. It was made not well sourced very purposeful article by someone, who just manipulate the info, and even did not defend what he did. The purpose was clear to diminish the social role of Iliyan Kuzmanov, or even blackmail him with such biased information and compromised sourced(5 or 6), nevertheless that there are thousands of sources, some of which are all major Bulgarian medias, and some of the big EU medias. But obviously the purpose of the author was not in the good faith and good intentions of Wikipedia.
2. Advocates of the author work- please read all the comments, and all the arguments. Please also read, how Iliyan Kuzmanov lost his social business in London, why, the involvement of the Russian Mafia and ect. I will include a lot of sources at the end. The involvement of Iliyan in many criminal cases in Bulgaria, his ability to solve and help women victims of human trafficking, and always the Russian lead. Please take into account his last causes, his help to Ukrainian immigrants, his talks about the corruption in Bulgarian. And please ask the question, why someone was victimised, and the info about him was biased purposefully even there are so many things he did for the society- starting from Afghanistan, Ukraine, Bulgaria, UK, and even finishing in Canada. Let’s be honest with ourselves.
3. About Iliyan. I will start from (even in Canada he was working as a social worker, and was part of the municipal elections in Montreal) UK. It was not a coffee shop, it was a cultural hub very important for us, Bulgarians, even our major educational institution put him at a major research, part of the book “Bulgarian cultural heritage in migration.”- even that I think is enough. But I will continue, the place was a library, few thousand books, different languages. The place was helping people, in different way. The place was different from anything else.
a. https://www.dnevnik.bg/na_put/2017/02/13/2915743_bulgarin_upravliava_edno_ot_nai-dobrite_kafeneta_v/
b. http://www.businessnews.bg/predpriemach/5101-blgarsko-kafene-e-1-v-london.html
c. https://telemedia.bg/bg/regioni/pazardjik/otneha-s-izmama-kafeneto-na-pazardjiklija-v-london
d. https://www.marica.bg/region/pazardjik/otneha-legendarnoto-kafe-biblioteka-na-iliqn-kuzmanov
e. There are thousands more sources about his work in London
Or you can watch 30 min with Bulgarian Oprah from London:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRr5PjmMwjk
Bulgaria and his work with the minorities. I just want to mention, that Iliyan Kuzmanov is the only Bulgarian social entrepreneur who fully is financing his work, 100%, only through his business. No one is doing that in Bulgaria, that is Number One in Corruption in EU, stealing EU founds. A problem Iliyan always say!
https://darik.bg/talantlivi-romcheta-ste-risuvat-v-novo-art-prostranstvo-v-pazardzik
https://telemedia.bg/bg/regioni/lesichovo/biznesmen-i-symishlenici-podpomognaha-pensionirani-uchiteli
https://www.bta.bg/bg/voices-for-europe/10715-Sotsialniyat-predpriemach-e-krastoska-mezhdu-sotsialen-rabotnik-i-biznesmen-smy
https://www.marica.bg/region/pazardjik/proektat-mariq-vdahnovi-art-konkurs
https://glednatochka.com/2022/02/15/%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%82%D1%83%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%B0-%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%B0-%D0%BD%D1%8F%D0%BC%D0%B0-%D0%B4%D0%B0-%D0%B1%D1%8A%D0%B4%D0%B5-%D1%81%D1%8A%D1%89%D0%B0/
https://www.desant.net/show-news/55144
He was helping many people during the pandemic in Bulgaria. Helping as well NHS, and everything with his own money, showing that society with active citizens is possible, less Russian style government, and more free business.
https://pzdnes.com/2020/04/21/%D0%B8%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%8F%D0%BD-%D0%BA%D1%83%D0%B7%D0%BC%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B2-%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%B0%D0%B2%D0%B0-%D1%80%D1%8A%D0%BA%D0%B0-%D0%BD%D0%B0-%D1%85%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%B0-%D0%BD/
https://www.marica.bg/region/pazardjik/geroite-ot-speshna-pomosht-v-pazardjik-edna-kniga-i-edin-skromen-podarak
https://www.marica.bg/region/pazardjik/netradicionno-predstavlenie-v-pazardjik
https://www.btv.bg/shows/predi-obed/videos/sled-uspeshen-biznes-v-london-ilijan-kuzmanov-izbira-da-se-pribere-v-pazardzhik.html
https://darik.bg/talantlivi-romcheta-ste-risuvat-v-novo-art-prostranstvo-v-pazardzik
Even his books are social provocation. Iliyan many times said that is a big fan of Banksy, and art is for free. His first book for Christmas was given for free to the Bulgarian public. And he asked more artists and writers to join him, followed by none. His book was generating money for big literature prize, just to say “people, stop stealing money from the budget”. All that were provocation a la Banksy, by one huge admire of him… DorraG ( talk) 06:45, 28 May 2022 (UTC)DorraG ( talkcontribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. reply
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The result was delete. Modussiccandi ( talk) 11:33, 4 June 2022 (UTC) reply

Iliyan Kuzmanov (  | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log | edits since nomination)
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Non notable businessman and philanthropist who has won a non notable prize and opened a cafe in a railway station. Sources are mostly either not independent or not reliable (I’m not sure about “Telegram”). Mccapra ( talk) 20:50, 23 May 2022 (UTC) reply

Hello, I do not know who made this article(it looks as anti- advertising by someone who does not like the author), but Iliyan Kuzmanov is the most famous Bulgarian writer and social enterpreneur in this moment! He is a social enterpreneur who is fighting coruption, human trafficing, domestic violence, gender aquality, and freedom of though, he is a real hero in Bulgaria! Please let me help improve this article. By accident I discover this mess, but deffinetly was made by someone who does not like the writer. He is victimise by the Russian propaganda in Bulgaria, because of helping the LGDP comunity and Ukrainian refugees. I am his huge fan, and I willingly help to corect the injustice. Here is his Bulgarian Wikipedia Page:
Илиян Кузманов – Уикипедия (wikipedia.org)
https://bg.wikipedia.org/ StoyanUbenov ( talk) 13:31, 24 May 2022 (UTC) StoyanUbenov ( talkcontribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. reply
comment - The edit you have done on the article has actually worsened its condition. There are some serious problems with sourcing; let's look at a few that really stand out (the English ones; my Bulgarian is nonexistent). Ref 2 is some sort of blog, no byline, and very glowing, almost as if self-written. 11 is a fake newspaper - one of those ones that pretends to be something big and sells coverage; the editor they list doesn't appear to exist. 26 is a press release. 44... honestly, what the hell. FilmDaily appears to be trash, probably paid service; coverage of the award is by fake sites that are certainly paid services (and they all misspell Hemingway). 45 is also almost certainly paid - it is exactly the same structure as the coverage of the FilmDaily awards, and has similar wording. All in all, this is almost certainly an attempt to buy notability for this subject. Thank you, though, for providing more evidence for us to consider. Tony Fox (arf!) 17:08, 24 May 2022 (UTC) reply
Thanks Tony, I did a 100% translate of the Buglarian wiki. And was using all the sources from there. I will provide all the national medias that are missing in the bulgarian article. The guy was on and on on tv and newspapers, I know his work from my hometown. Take into account that Bulgaria is with one of the worst corruption ratios, and people like this one are like rare gems here.... StoyanUbenov ( talk) 17:56, 24 May 2022 (UTC) StoyanUbenov ( talkcontribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. reply
https://bnt.bg/news/iliyan-kuzmanov-parviyat-balgarin-v-klasaciyata-top-20-na-amazon-s-knigata-si-ako-sreshtnesh-buda-ubiy-go-razshirena-versiya-v313346-302151news.html
https://bntnews.bg/news/sreshta-s-balgarskiya-pisatel-dostignal-top-20-po-prodazhbi-na-amazon-1179647news.html
https://bnr.bg/play/post/101577367/ilian-kuzmanov
https://bnr.radio/horizont/post/101585075/ilia-kuzmanov-pomaga-na-jeni-jertvi-na-nasilie
https://nova.bg/news/view/2022/01/29/354124/%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B9-%D0%B5-%D0%B1%D1%8A%D0%BB%D0%B3%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BD%D1%8A%D1%82-%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%BA%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BB-amazon/
https://www.btv.bg/shows/predi-obed/videos/koj-e-naj-seksapilnijat-pisatel-v-sveta.html StoyanUbenov ( talk) 18:00, 24 May 2022 (UTC) StoyanUbenov ( talkcontribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. reply
These are National Tv Networks and National Radio Stations. Will replace the weak sources. And will be happy for assistance. I donn't know who did the original page, but was a real mess. The guy is helping thousends of people. StoyanUbenov ( talk) 18:03, 24 May 2022 (UTC) StoyanUbenov ( talkcontribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. reply
Can you provide any reference that explains the Top 20 Amazon rank? Because he's currently in the mid-118,000s on Kindle (it's only available as an e-book, looks like), but is higher in a few of the e-book subgenres. Every article where it's mentioned only says "Top 20" but doesn't say what top 20. Also, I'm still very concerned that most of the English coverage of the subject is in paid-placement sources. Tony Fox (arf!) 18:49, 24 May 2022 (UTC) reply
Tony, in the sources is BNT, NTV and BTV- the 3 major National Networks in Bulgaria. There is Tv Evropa, that is Euronews now, the major EU tv network, with around 300 milions subscribers. In the sources mentioned here is BTA- Bulgarian Telegraph Agency, the bigest Balcan Info Network, milions of people around the world are using it, Reuters is major partner. BNR and Darik are the bigest radio networks around. All of them speaks about it. Maybe they all did fact checks or checked with Amazon, what do you think? These are the bigest and most influential medias, most owned by major Western companies. Or maybe you are well informed than all them. I really do not understand what is happening here, really bizare issue. Moreover to not believe to all these medias and to be so determinent in blaming someone. Really no words! Check Google Bulgaria, check Google Turkey- 10 ot Thousends sources, about a real hero, and here someone is trying to make a joke from him. StoyanUbenov ( talk) 19:39, 24 May 2022 (UTC) StoyanUbenov ( talkcontribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. reply
That's all great, but absolutely none of the sources I've seen have mentioned the actual metric being measured. They all say "Top 20 on Amazon." His book is currently #1,119,423 in the Kindle Store; to go from top 15 to that in the space of several months is a pretty big fall, so I can only assume that it made the top 20 in one of the subcategories; I know that on one viewing of the page it was #37 in 'teen philosophy e-books' or somesuch. This is the challenge - we have extraordinary claims being made, but the sourcing is very concerning, simply because there are a lot of obviously paid-for articles in the English sphere. I again can't speak to Bulgarian sources, but I am going to encourage more eyes to review them. Tony Fox (arf!) 20:15, 24 May 2022 (UTC) reply
Tony, you assume one of the sources was crap, the other probably was paid... Now you assume that all the rest of the medias are biassed, even Euronews and Reuters. I am speachless man. By the way, Euronews, NTV and BTV said, yes 15 in Top 20, that means your Bulgarian or Russian is preaty good, congratulations!
And you dont mention the print medias, newspapers in Bulgaria, Macedonia, Turkey, 45, 000 results with the name Илиян Кузманов, probably you assumed that all is paid? The guy probably is a richer than Musk to make such PR. And helping so many people, thousend of reffugees, women victims of traffic, prisons, homeless.... and you assume that all that is paid and not real? Increadible assumptions you are making! But again, congratulations for your Russian or Bulgarian language skills, initially you didnt have at all! StoyanUbenov ( talk) 20:54, 24 May 2022 (UTC) StoyanUbenov ( talkcontribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. reply
Assume good faith in dealing with other editors, please. I'm not assuming anything of the Bulgarian sources you've provided, because I can't read them beyond using Google to translate the pages. I also haven't made any claims that he hasn't helped people, because again I can't read or understand beyond machine translation of some of the sites you provided. The sources that I have seen, the English sources that are available, are significantly, in my opinion and drawing on years of experience on Wikipedia, paid promotion. If you would like to cast further aspersions on my motives, please feel free. Tony Fox (arf!) 22:00, 24 May 2022 (UTC) reply
Tony Fox, if you assume good faith, you have to take into account few things, but you are really determined to not:
1. There is a protocol for existing page translations- and the page was translated(after the effort of someone unknown to make harm to one of the famoust bulgarian social enterpreneurs and writers).
2. 45, 000 results in Google about the name Илиян Кузманов, among them some of the bigest medias in EU and Turkey
3. From those 45, 000 sources, strangely, someone choose few, not very credible, 5 or 6 to be honest. Strangley why targeted them. And you make assumptions, that they are paid. But how about the rest 44, 995?
4. You point few things, that in your opinion, but not in the opinion for example of Euronews and Reuters, with more than a billion readers is fact checked information. And how about all the rest- the guy on first place is famous with his good deeds to society. Even his book in Bulgaria is for free, and copyright claims, because of the Pandemic and Economic Crisis now? He did whay more to change my society for good. And Wikipedia core is that?
5. Why no wonder, who made the original article, and why was made in such a way? Moreover, for example the Russian propaganda that is going around, and the trouble Iliyan had with Russian mafia, for example in London Uk(there are many articles about that). Even his second book is inspired by a russian prostitute he felt in love, and he got in a lot of problems. Why no questions about that? Because in my opinion, it was very strange. StoyanUbenov ( talk) 04:55, 25 May 2022 (UTC) StoyanUbenov ( talkcontribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. reply
From the looks of the article history, the article was created by someone who brought it over from .bg, but edited down. I don't know why it's being called problematic, it looks pretty similar to what's there now, just shorter.
As for the rest of your comments, my opinion stands: versions of this article have included references to paid marketing material, which, in my opinion, calls into question other sourcing; and the subject in question does not meet notability guidelines for authors. It is for other editors to take my comments, your comments, and the article as a whole and make their own decisions as to the suitability of this article for this encyclopedia. Tony Fox (arf!) 05:39, 25 May 2022 (UTC) reply
I hope that someone from the editors to take into the account, and look deeper the original article that was created by someone who disappeared from his "good work" according to Tony Fox. I hope also in assume good faith, someone will look all comments, from the first to the last of Tony Fox, who is doubting everything, but not the person who created the original. How from thousands and thousands different sources about a person with hundreds good deeds, someone took few not very credible sources, and created this whole issue. I hope that the most important in Wiki community is about our contribution to the society, and started with the idea about contributing society. And in this good spirit, lets be honest. DorraG ( talk) 06:49, 25 May 2022 (UTC)DorraG ( talkcontribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. reply
Please, it is an urban myth about the Russian escort and that he felt in love! The problems came when he destroyed a Russian human traffic network in Bulgaria.
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It was one very big case, there are a lot of info about it in the Polish and Latvian medias as well. Marko Kralev ( talk) 06:17, 25 May 2022 (UTC)Marko Kralev ( talkcontribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. reply
That is really great. From everything was paid, we went to what exactly place in Amazon,... and questionig the honesty of such big medias...by the way BTV was part of FOX Network, and NTV now is a part of UK group, that owns medias in many countries around the globe.
And why you don't ask the guy who created that nonsense initially? Why was created such "funny" article about such controversial figure now in Bulgaria? Who is targeted by the Russian propaganda. Iliyan is a journalist, writing about very interesting topics. Maybe really someone has to question the author of the article. Marko Kralev ( talk) 21:03, 24 May 2022 (UTC)Marko Kralev ( talkcontribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. reply
Guys, I don't know what is happening here, but Iliyan Kuzmanov is the most famous Bulgarian author now and a person who fight corruption and help a lot of people. You could check google:
https://www.google.bg/search?q=%D0%B8%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%8F%D0%BD+%D0%BA%D1%83%D0%B7%D0%BC%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B2&sxsrf=ALiCzsbtCkN7656ZnHY47awuw965j970yw%3A1653415950411&source=hp&ei=DiCNYqz2FfaXxc8Pp9KP0AI&iflsig=AJiK0e8AAAAAYo0uHvTH_SMyUCtDwmVIc2zBNmVFpSzr&oq=%D0%B8%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%8F%D0%BD+&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAEYADIECCMQJzIECCMQJzIECCMQJzIFCC4QywEyBQgAEMsBMggILhDUAhDLATIFCC4QywEyCAguENQCEMsBMgUIABDLATIFCAAQywE6BwgjEOoCECc6BQguEJECOgUIABCRAjoFCAAQgAQ6CwguEIAEEMcBEKMCOggILhDUAhCRAjoLCC4QgAQQxwEQrwE6CAguEIAEENQCOgUILhCABDoJCC4QgAQQChAqOgcILhCABBAKOgcIABCABBAKOgcIIxCxAhAnOgcILhAKEMsBOgcIABAKEMsBOgoILhDUAhAKEMsBOgQILhAnUIAMWKI7YL1HaAdwAHgAgAHFAYgB0QySAQQxLjExmAEAoAEBsAEK&sclient=gws-wiz DorraG ( talk) 18:17, 24 May 2022 (UTC)DorraG ( talkcontribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. reply
Hello everyone, I also discovered this article by chance. Iliyan is my favorite journalist and writer in Bulgaria. He is big social entrepreneur, person with heart and soul who is a real life changer for a lot of people. Please, allow me to help enhance the article that looks really unprofessional! DorraG ( talk) 14:57, 24 May 2022 (UTC)DorraG ( talkcontribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. reply
I would like to summarise what I saw in this article.
1. It was made not well sourced very purposeful article by someone, who just manipulate the info, and even did not defend what he did. The purpose was clear to diminish the social role of Iliyan Kuzmanov, or even blackmail him with such biased information and compromised sourced(5 or 6), nevertheless that there are thousands of sources, some of which are all major Bulgarian medias, and some of the big EU medias. But obviously the purpose of the author was not in the good faith and good intentions of Wikipedia.
2. Advocates of the author work- please read all the comments, and all the arguments. Please also read, how Iliyan Kuzmanov lost his social business in London, why, the involvement of the Russian Mafia and ect. I will include a lot of sources at the end. The involvement of Iliyan in many criminal cases in Bulgaria, his ability to solve and help women victims of human trafficking, and always the Russian lead. Please take into account his last causes, his help to Ukrainian immigrants, his talks about the corruption in Bulgarian. And please ask the question, why someone was victimised, and the info about him was biased purposefully even there are so many things he did for the society- starting from Afghanistan, Ukraine, Bulgaria, UK, and even finishing in Canada. Let’s be honest with ourselves.
3. About Iliyan. I will start from (even in Canada he was working as a social worker, and was part of the municipal elections in Montreal) UK. It was not a coffee shop, it was a cultural hub very important for us, Bulgarians, even our major educational institution put him at a major research, part of the book “Bulgarian cultural heritage in migration.”- even that I think is enough. But I will continue, the place was a library, few thousand books, different languages. The place was helping people, in different way. The place was different from anything else.
a. https://www.dnevnik.bg/na_put/2017/02/13/2915743_bulgarin_upravliava_edno_ot_nai-dobrite_kafeneta_v/
b. http://www.businessnews.bg/predpriemach/5101-blgarsko-kafene-e-1-v-london.html
c. https://telemedia.bg/bg/regioni/pazardjik/otneha-s-izmama-kafeneto-na-pazardjiklija-v-london
d. https://www.marica.bg/region/pazardjik/otneha-legendarnoto-kafe-biblioteka-na-iliqn-kuzmanov
e. There are thousands more sources about his work in London
Or you can watch 30 min with Bulgarian Oprah from London:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRr5PjmMwjk
Bulgaria and his work with the minorities. I just want to mention, that Iliyan Kuzmanov is the only Bulgarian social entrepreneur who fully is financing his work, 100%, only through his business. No one is doing that in Bulgaria, that is Number One in Corruption in EU, stealing EU founds. A problem Iliyan always say!
https://darik.bg/talantlivi-romcheta-ste-risuvat-v-novo-art-prostranstvo-v-pazardzik
https://telemedia.bg/bg/regioni/lesichovo/biznesmen-i-symishlenici-podpomognaha-pensionirani-uchiteli
https://www.bta.bg/bg/voices-for-europe/10715-Sotsialniyat-predpriemach-e-krastoska-mezhdu-sotsialen-rabotnik-i-biznesmen-smy
https://www.marica.bg/region/pazardjik/proektat-mariq-vdahnovi-art-konkurs
https://glednatochka.com/2022/02/15/%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%82%D1%83%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%B0-%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%B0-%D0%BD%D1%8F%D0%BC%D0%B0-%D0%B4%D0%B0-%D0%B1%D1%8A%D0%B4%D0%B5-%D1%81%D1%8A%D1%89%D0%B0/
https://www.desant.net/show-news/55144
He was helping many people during the pandemic in Bulgaria. Helping as well NHS, and everything with his own money, showing that society with active citizens is possible, less Russian style government, and more free business.
https://pzdnes.com/2020/04/21/%D0%B8%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%8F%D0%BD-%D0%BA%D1%83%D0%B7%D0%BC%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B2-%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%B0%D0%B2%D0%B0-%D1%80%D1%8A%D0%BA%D0%B0-%D0%BD%D0%B0-%D1%85%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%B0-%D0%BD/
https://www.marica.bg/region/pazardjik/geroite-ot-speshna-pomosht-v-pazardjik-edna-kniga-i-edin-skromen-podarak
https://www.marica.bg/region/pazardjik/netradicionno-predstavlenie-v-pazardjik
https://www.btv.bg/shows/predi-obed/videos/sled-uspeshen-biznes-v-london-ilijan-kuzmanov-izbira-da-se-pribere-v-pazardzhik.html
https://darik.bg/talantlivi-romcheta-ste-risuvat-v-novo-art-prostranstvo-v-pazardzik
Even his books are social provocation. Iliyan many times said that is a big fan of Banksy, and art is for free. His first book for Christmas was given for free to the Bulgarian public. And he asked more artists and writers to join him, followed by none. His book was generating money for big literature prize, just to say “people, stop stealing money from the budget”. All that were provocation a la Banksy, by one huge admire of him… DorraG ( talk) 06:45, 28 May 2022 (UTC)DorraG ( talkcontribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. reply
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