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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) ( t · c) buidhe 14:35, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
Hill Valley (Back to the Future)
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Fictional location that lacks significant coverage in reliable secondary sources, as required by the WP:GNG. This is almost entirely unsourced or sourced to primary/promotional sources, including a DVD release, a board game, a licensed guide, and so on. There is one independent source that talks about the clock tower, but nothing sufficient to build out an entire article about the entire fictional town. A search reveals only passing mentions of this location, with no real world context to help this meet WP:WAF, WP:NOT#PLOT, or WP:NOTABILITY. Jontesta ( talk) 19:27, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. Jontesta ( talk) 19:27, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. Toughpigs ( talk) 20:25, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
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- Keep Per
WP:AFDISNOTCLEANUP. While the article in its current state needs some massive cleanup, the topic is notable. It's mentioned numerous times in The Worlds of Back to the Future: Critical Essays on the Films (2014), We Don't Need Roads: The Making of the Back to the Future Trilogy (2015), this
article on Back to the Future locations, an article about a
town that temporarily changed its name to Hill Valley, and more. I think there's a bit of a
WP:BEFORE fail here.
ZXCVBNM (
TALK)
20:31, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
- @ Zxcvbnm: I looked at this, including virtually leafing through some pages of the book on GBooks, and I am not convinced there is anything substantial here. The town is mentioned often enough, but I don't see any significant analysis. The second chapter of the book ( [1]) does seem to have some promise, but the preview ends before I can make up my mind if the discussion the town is sufficient, or is it just an example of the fictional suburbia. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 07:00, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
- Keep as per the significant coverage in multiple reliable sources identified above as per WP:GNG which will enable the article to be improved so that deletion is unnecessary in my view, Atlantic306 ( talk) 00:43, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
- Keep as per above. Timmccloud ( talk) 15:46, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
- Keep: I added a Reception section with a critical reading from the book Black Space: Imagining Race in Science Fiction Film, which specifically discusses the town for four pages (pp 35-38). The previously mentioned The Worlds of Back to the Future has an entire chapter about the town (pp 49-61). — Toughpigs ( talk) 21:58, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) ( t · c) buidhe 14:35, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
Hill Valley (Back to the Future)
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Fictional location that lacks significant coverage in reliable secondary sources, as required by the WP:GNG. This is almost entirely unsourced or sourced to primary/promotional sources, including a DVD release, a board game, a licensed guide, and so on. There is one independent source that talks about the clock tower, but nothing sufficient to build out an entire article about the entire fictional town. A search reveals only passing mentions of this location, with no real world context to help this meet WP:WAF, WP:NOT#PLOT, or WP:NOTABILITY. Jontesta ( talk) 19:27, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. Jontesta ( talk) 19:27, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. Toughpigs ( talk) 20:25, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Science fiction and fantasy-related deletion discussions. Toughpigs ( talk) 20:25, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
- Keep Per
WP:AFDISNOTCLEANUP. While the article in its current state needs some massive cleanup, the topic is notable. It's mentioned numerous times in The Worlds of Back to the Future: Critical Essays on the Films (2014), We Don't Need Roads: The Making of the Back to the Future Trilogy (2015), this
article on Back to the Future locations, an article about a
town that temporarily changed its name to Hill Valley, and more. I think there's a bit of a
WP:BEFORE fail here.
ZXCVBNM (
TALK)
20:31, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
- @ Zxcvbnm: I looked at this, including virtually leafing through some pages of the book on GBooks, and I am not convinced there is anything substantial here. The town is mentioned often enough, but I don't see any significant analysis. The second chapter of the book ( [1]) does seem to have some promise, but the preview ends before I can make up my mind if the discussion the town is sufficient, or is it just an example of the fictional suburbia. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 07:00, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
- Keep as per the significant coverage in multiple reliable sources identified above as per WP:GNG which will enable the article to be improved so that deletion is unnecessary in my view, Atlantic306 ( talk) 00:43, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
- Keep as per above. Timmccloud ( talk) 15:46, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
- Keep: I added a Reception section with a critical reading from the book Black Space: Imagining Race in Science Fiction Film, which specifically discusses the town for four pages (pp 35-38). The previously mentioned The Worlds of Back to the Future has an entire chapter about the town (pp 49-61). — Toughpigs ( talk) 21:58, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
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