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The result was no consensus. There is no consensus on whether the subject of the article is notable independent of his son. Davewild ( talk) 06:47, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
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Delete or merge with Gerry Adams; obviously non-notable in own right. Only notable as father of Gerry Adams. Quis separabit? 00:00, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Northern Ireland-related deletion discussions. lavender|(formerly HMSSolent)| lambast 01:36, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
- Comment The claim to notability would be as an important figure in the PIRA in his own right. The Guardian describes him as "important in the emergence of the Provisional IRA in 1970" as well as a "seminal" influence on his son's politics. [1] The Times ("Militant Irish republican who helped to mould the Provisional IRA and influenced his son’s hard line") [2] and (UK) Independent [3] also carried obituaries though the latter doesn't give him much importance except through his son. Colapeninsula ( talk) 09:45, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
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- "as well as a "seminal" influence on his son's politics." -- sorry but notability is not
inherited -- in either direction.
Quis separabit? 22:59, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
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The Independent also carried obituaries though the latter doesn't give him much importance except through his son".
Quis separabit? 22:59, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
- If you have an influence on the political thinking of an important political figure, that seems to be a claim to notability, whether or not he's your son. I'm also not sure why you're quoting random bits from my reply; it looks a bit aggressive, or at best psittacine.
Colapeninsula (
talk) 10:06, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
- Yes, I am sure Adams Sr was a veritable Machiavelli. As for the quotes, hey, I am just trying to bolster my argument using street alley tabloid tactics. Now that you mention it, I do suffer from psittacinism. Yours, Quis separabit? 12:18, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
- If you have an influence on the political thinking of an important political figure, that seems to be a claim to notability, whether or not he's your son. I'm also not sure why you're quoting random bits from my reply; it looks a bit aggressive, or at best psittacine.
Colapeninsula (
talk) 10:06, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
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The Independent also carried obituaries though the latter doesn't give him much importance except through his son".
Quis separabit? 22:59, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
- "as well as a "seminal" influence on his son's politics." -- sorry but notability is not
inherited -- in either direction.
Quis separabit? 22:59, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
- Delete Not enough independent coverage to justify the article. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 02:38, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
- Keep obviously due to significant coverage. Those claiming "notability is not inherited" do not understand the essay they are quoting. Le petit fromage ( talk) 13:14, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Natg 19 ( talk) 00:40, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Natg 19 ( talk) 00:40, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
- Keep given the Guardian and Times descriptions and indications of his role in the development of the Provisional IRA. -- Arxiloxos ( talk) 00:49, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
- Keep. If a major newspaper claims "was important in the emergence of the Provisional IRA in 1970", it seems sufficient. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:58, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
- Keep: The Guardian has coverage, but there are consistent references to his role these days. I know that BBC World Service, the last time it talked about Gerry Adams (that I heard), talked about his father's having been involved in the PIRA. (I.e. if I know he was active in PIRA, then there's coverage, because I don't tune in on that history.) Hithladaeus ( talk) 12:27, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
- Keep per others as WP:GNG. VMS Mosaic ( talk) 02:07, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
- Delete - Run of the mill Provisional IRA militant with a famous son, in the press only for family sexual abuse charges, which are only deemed newsworthy because of the son. NOTINHERITED. Carrite ( talk) 21:23, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
- Delete -- He strikes me as rather ordinary IRA activist, whose main significance is having a notable son. Notability is not inherited. Peterkingiron ( talk) 17:52, 6 June 2015 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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The result was no consensus. There is no consensus on whether the subject of the article is notable independent of his son. Davewild ( talk) 06:47, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
- Gerry Adams, Sr. ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
Delete or merge with Gerry Adams; obviously non-notable in own right. Only notable as father of Gerry Adams. Quis separabit? 00:00, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Northern Ireland-related deletion discussions. lavender|(formerly HMSSolent)| lambast 01:36, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
- Comment The claim to notability would be as an important figure in the PIRA in his own right. The Guardian describes him as "important in the emergence of the Provisional IRA in 1970" as well as a "seminal" influence on his son's politics. [1] The Times ("Militant Irish republican who helped to mould the Provisional IRA and influenced his son’s hard line") [2] and (UK) Independent [3] also carried obituaries though the latter doesn't give him much importance except through his son. Colapeninsula ( talk) 09:45, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 14:59, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
- "as well as a "seminal" influence on his son's politics." -- sorry but notability is not
inherited -- in either direction.
Quis separabit? 22:59, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
-
The Independent also carried obituaries though the latter doesn't give him much importance except through his son".
Quis separabit? 22:59, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
- If you have an influence on the political thinking of an important political figure, that seems to be a claim to notability, whether or not he's your son. I'm also not sure why you're quoting random bits from my reply; it looks a bit aggressive, or at best psittacine.
Colapeninsula (
talk) 10:06, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
- Yes, I am sure Adams Sr was a veritable Machiavelli. As for the quotes, hey, I am just trying to bolster my argument using street alley tabloid tactics. Now that you mention it, I do suffer from psittacinism. Yours, Quis separabit? 12:18, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
- If you have an influence on the political thinking of an important political figure, that seems to be a claim to notability, whether or not he's your son. I'm also not sure why you're quoting random bits from my reply; it looks a bit aggressive, or at best psittacine.
Colapeninsula (
talk) 10:06, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
-
The Independent also carried obituaries though the latter doesn't give him much importance except through his son".
Quis separabit? 22:59, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
- "as well as a "seminal" influence on his son's politics." -- sorry but notability is not
inherited -- in either direction.
Quis separabit? 22:59, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
- Delete Not enough independent coverage to justify the article. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 02:38, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
- Keep obviously due to significant coverage. Those claiming "notability is not inherited" do not understand the essay they are quoting. Le petit fromage ( talk) 13:14, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Natg 19 ( talk) 00:40, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Natg 19 ( talk) 00:40, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
- Keep given the Guardian and Times descriptions and indications of his role in the development of the Provisional IRA. -- Arxiloxos ( talk) 00:49, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
- Keep. If a major newspaper claims "was important in the emergence of the Provisional IRA in 1970", it seems sufficient. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:58, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
- Keep: The Guardian has coverage, but there are consistent references to his role these days. I know that BBC World Service, the last time it talked about Gerry Adams (that I heard), talked about his father's having been involved in the PIRA. (I.e. if I know he was active in PIRA, then there's coverage, because I don't tune in on that history.) Hithladaeus ( talk) 12:27, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
- Keep per others as WP:GNG. VMS Mosaic ( talk) 02:07, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
- Delete - Run of the mill Provisional IRA militant with a famous son, in the press only for family sexual abuse charges, which are only deemed newsworthy because of the son. NOTINHERITED. Carrite ( talk) 21:23, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
- Delete -- He strikes me as rather ordinary IRA activist, whose main significance is having a notable son. Notability is not inherited. Peterkingiron ( talk) 17:52, 6 June 2015 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.