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The result was keep. RL0919 ( talk) 17:09, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
Franz Baur
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Stub article, text: "is a Tirolean composer. He was recipient of the Tiroler Landespreis für Kunst in 2011." That's not a nothingburger but I don't think it alone can support this whole article.
His website is here: http://www.franzbaur.at/biographie.htm; if he were wiki-notable, I'd expect his self-written bio to say so. I don't think it does.
Warning for google/newspapers searchers: he shares a name with German meteorologist Franz Baur (1887-1977). asilvering ( talk) 06:52, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
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- Keep the whole point of stubs with "expand" tags are they they can be expanded de:Franz Baur (Komponist). de:Tiroler Landespreis für Kunst only goes to one recipient each year. The chap has 3 oratorios etc recorded by the Tirol Landesmuseum. In ictu oculi ( talk) 22:09, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
- I'm wondering which living Tirol composer exactly we're mean to be comparing this composer to? Do we know of another living Tirol composer who has won the an annual Landespreis for Art and had his works recorded? If he was Welsh or Scottish we wouldn't be having this discussion. In ictu oculi ( talk) 22:34, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
- I read the de-wiki article before listing this. It is also basically a stub, though larger, and doesn't have sourcing that achieves WP:GNG. As I said, I don't think the Tirol State Prize for Art is enough to assure notability on its own. So, we need a WP:GNG pass. Right now, even with your recent additions, we do not have that. As for your second question about which living Tirol composer we're meant to be comparing him to, I don't know what you mean. -- asilvering ( talk) 02:32, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Extraordinary Writ ( talk) 06:57, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
- Keep: If that's your opinion, how about we just delete all stubs then? The point of a stub is for it to be improved upon so it can be a better article. While it doesn't have the best coverage it does not need to be deleted.
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talk 13:30, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
- Stubs need to be on a notable subject. Do you have sources that will cause this article to pass WP:GNG? -- asilvering ( talk) 17:25, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
- Keep, for the reasons those who want to keep this article. Davidgoodheart ( talk) 01:14, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
- Neutral: This is by far one of the worst nominations I've seen come through AfD by an experienced editor. Literally nothing in the nomination rationale is a valid criteria for deletion. Just bc an article is a stub isn't a criteria for deletion even if the text "[can't] support this whole article". Also, who gives a f*** what the guy's self-written bio says?? The nominator actually gives a halfway decent rationale in one of the replies above, why not start with that?! All that being said, it's pretty obvious that the subject fails GNG; that said, he may or may not meet WP:ANYBIO#1. I don't know how significant an award the one he won is; if it is determined to be a significant award, then it should be kept, otherwise delete. Curbon7 ( talk) 03:38, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
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The result was keep. RL0919 ( talk) 17:09, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
Franz Baur
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Stub article, text: "is a Tirolean composer. He was recipient of the Tiroler Landespreis für Kunst in 2011." That's not a nothingburger but I don't think it alone can support this whole article.
His website is here: http://www.franzbaur.at/biographie.htm; if he were wiki-notable, I'd expect his self-written bio to say so. I don't think it does.
Warning for google/newspapers searchers: he shares a name with German meteorologist Franz Baur (1887-1977). asilvering ( talk) 06:52, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. asilvering ( talk) 06:52, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. asilvering ( talk) 06:52, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. asilvering ( talk) 06:52, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Austria-related deletion discussions. asilvering ( talk) 06:52, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
- Keep the whole point of stubs with "expand" tags are they they can be expanded de:Franz Baur (Komponist). de:Tiroler Landespreis für Kunst only goes to one recipient each year. The chap has 3 oratorios etc recorded by the Tirol Landesmuseum. In ictu oculi ( talk) 22:09, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
- I'm wondering which living Tirol composer exactly we're mean to be comparing this composer to? Do we know of another living Tirol composer who has won the an annual Landespreis for Art and had his works recorded? If he was Welsh or Scottish we wouldn't be having this discussion. In ictu oculi ( talk) 22:34, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
- I read the de-wiki article before listing this. It is also basically a stub, though larger, and doesn't have sourcing that achieves WP:GNG. As I said, I don't think the Tirol State Prize for Art is enough to assure notability on its own. So, we need a WP:GNG pass. Right now, even with your recent additions, we do not have that. As for your second question about which living Tirol composer we're meant to be comparing him to, I don't know what you mean. -- asilvering ( talk) 02:32, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Extraordinary Writ ( talk) 06:57, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
- Keep: If that's your opinion, how about we just delete all stubs then? The point of a stub is for it to be improved upon so it can be a better article. While it doesn't have the best coverage it does not need to be deleted.
SoyokoAnis -
talk 13:30, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
- Stubs need to be on a notable subject. Do you have sources that will cause this article to pass WP:GNG? -- asilvering ( talk) 17:25, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
- Keep, for the reasons those who want to keep this article. Davidgoodheart ( talk) 01:14, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
- Neutral: This is by far one of the worst nominations I've seen come through AfD by an experienced editor. Literally nothing in the nomination rationale is a valid criteria for deletion. Just bc an article is a stub isn't a criteria for deletion even if the text "[can't] support this whole article". Also, who gives a f*** what the guy's self-written bio says?? The nominator actually gives a halfway decent rationale in one of the replies above, why not start with that?! All that being said, it's pretty obvious that the subject fails GNG; that said, he may or may not meet WP:ANYBIO#1. I don't know how significant an award the one he won is; if it is determined to be a significant award, then it should be kept, otherwise delete. Curbon7 ( talk) 03:38, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
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