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The result was keep. Keeping this article. If folks want to see it merged/split/whatever please consider discussing in the relevant WikiProject and/or on the talk page of the article. Thanks! Missvain ( talk) 18:35, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
Football player
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This article is completely unneeded because there isn't anything to say about it beyond a dictionary definition. A football player is someone who plays football. Khajidha ( talk) 16:51, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
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- Merge useful content appropriately to various football articles, or refine scope and rename (probably to health risks of association football, if such an article doesn't already exist somewhere). The bulk of this article pertains to health risks of playing association football. Another substantial portion is dedicated to wages of association football players. The lead provides an absurd spread of focus, claiming the article is about every person who plays everything from gridiron to soccer to rugby. Other sports redirect to the main article on the sport if you append "player" to the name. We definitely don't need an article about players of a broad range of distinct sports that are only related by geographical naming conventions. Skeletor3000 ( Skeletor3000) 22:39, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
- Split and merge content to relevant codes of football. Makes no sense to try to collate this material and "compare" apples to oranges. Aoziwe ( talk) 09:54, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
- PS Probably then replace with a disambiguation page pointing to all the football player codes. Note also Footballer redirects to here. Aoziwe ( talk) 09:57, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
- Speedy keep I see nothing wrong with the article, in fact I think this can be expanded and improved. I also see a perfectly valid entry for wikipedia here. Govvy ( talk) 15:14, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
- Comment: I'd like to hear an explanation as to why lumping athletes in unrelated or barely-related sports into a single article seems like a good way to organize information. Skeletor3000 ( talk) 17:05, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
- There's already been a split discussion that would address that concern, that had support at Talk:Football player#Split proposal. How would your suggestion to merge, address those issues? Nfitz ( talk) 17:48, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
- I'm not sure what you're trying to clarify with your question, as my suggestion above for how to merge seems to already contain your answer.
Skeletor3000 (
talk) 17:53, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
- You voted merge - which would eliminate this article. I'd think Keep would make more sense ... and then follow the earlier proposal to split the gridiron stuff elsewhere. Your comments seem to contradict your merge vote.
Nfitz (
talk) 18:45, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
- My mention of the problems with the lede doesn't imply those are the only problems present. The bulk of the article talks about injuries to players of association football. The career section is straight drivel, starting with descriptions of the sport itself and then continuing with the asinine explanation that athletes start as amateurs before becoming professional. The wage section would be more appropriately presented in articles on individual athletes or leagues, and likely already exists in those places in many instances. If it's kept, non-injury content should be removed, and this article's title should be "Health risks in association football" or something similar. Skeletor3000 ( talk) 18:58, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
- You voted merge - which would eliminate this article. I'd think Keep would make more sense ... and then follow the earlier proposal to split the gridiron stuff elsewhere. Your comments seem to contradict your merge vote.
Nfitz (
talk) 18:45, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
- Merge agree with ( Skeletor3000). Merge into athlete to prevent proliferation of similar pages such as Rugby player, badminton player etc. PenulisHantu ( talk) 17:29, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
- Keep - article is well referenced, and also exists in dozens of other languages. I see no basis here for deletion or merging. There was however a relatively recent discussion at Talk:Football player#Split proposal to split the American/gridiron information from the soccer information, that hasn't yet been done, despite support, that would address any multi-sport concerns. Nfitz ( talk) 17:48, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
- Keep - absolutely fine. Giant Snowman 20:24, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
- Keep - It offers specific discussion about the player of the sport that makes no sense to merge into another article. No need for basic information about the various sports that are discussed in other articles to be included in this article though. Walter Görlitz ( talk) 20:27, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
- Keep Well referenced, seems notable. I don't share the multi-sport concerns, as football is ambiguous internationally. SportingFlyer T· C 01:29, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- Comment I have reread the article and there are some aspects that I think are bordering on WP:TNT. The articles terminology jumps between generic "football" and often "association football" misleading the reader. Some of the references, while they use the word "football", would appear to be actually referring to "association football", yet they are cited against the generic word "football". For an article that includes "medical information" I think such needs a very thorough review if the article is allowed to stay. Also, it needs to properly refer readers to far more detailed articles such as Concussions in sport. There is also non clear discussion in other areas, eg, wages, referrring to "top leagues" when it means "top association football leagues". Aoziwe ( talk) 07:04, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
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- Comment It's good for a laugh. In addition to the melange of undefined types of football, some highlights - "Sport person", "Once signed, some learn to play better football", the insertion of the isolated sentence about penalty kicks, and the random list of body parts at the end. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 180.150.71.154 ( talk) 04:07, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
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The result was keep. Keeping this article. If folks want to see it merged/split/whatever please consider discussing in the relevant WikiProject and/or on the talk page of the article. Thanks! Missvain ( talk) 18:35, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
Football player
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This article is completely unneeded because there isn't anything to say about it beyond a dictionary definition. A football player is someone who plays football. Khajidha ( talk) 16:51, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Lightburst ( talk) 18:12, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions. Lightburst ( talk) 18:12, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. Lightburst ( talk) 18:12, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 21:01, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
- Merge useful content appropriately to various football articles, or refine scope and rename (probably to health risks of association football, if such an article doesn't already exist somewhere). The bulk of this article pertains to health risks of playing association football. Another substantial portion is dedicated to wages of association football players. The lead provides an absurd spread of focus, claiming the article is about every person who plays everything from gridiron to soccer to rugby. Other sports redirect to the main article on the sport if you append "player" to the name. We definitely don't need an article about players of a broad range of distinct sports that are only related by geographical naming conventions. Skeletor3000 ( Skeletor3000) 22:39, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
- Split and merge content to relevant codes of football. Makes no sense to try to collate this material and "compare" apples to oranges. Aoziwe ( talk) 09:54, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
- PS Probably then replace with a disambiguation page pointing to all the football player codes. Note also Footballer redirects to here. Aoziwe ( talk) 09:57, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
- Speedy keep I see nothing wrong with the article, in fact I think this can be expanded and improved. I also see a perfectly valid entry for wikipedia here. Govvy ( talk) 15:14, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
- Comment: I'd like to hear an explanation as to why lumping athletes in unrelated or barely-related sports into a single article seems like a good way to organize information. Skeletor3000 ( talk) 17:05, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
- There's already been a split discussion that would address that concern, that had support at Talk:Football player#Split proposal. How would your suggestion to merge, address those issues? Nfitz ( talk) 17:48, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
- I'm not sure what you're trying to clarify with your question, as my suggestion above for how to merge seems to already contain your answer.
Skeletor3000 (
talk) 17:53, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
- You voted merge - which would eliminate this article. I'd think Keep would make more sense ... and then follow the earlier proposal to split the gridiron stuff elsewhere. Your comments seem to contradict your merge vote.
Nfitz (
talk) 18:45, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
- My mention of the problems with the lede doesn't imply those are the only problems present. The bulk of the article talks about injuries to players of association football. The career section is straight drivel, starting with descriptions of the sport itself and then continuing with the asinine explanation that athletes start as amateurs before becoming professional. The wage section would be more appropriately presented in articles on individual athletes or leagues, and likely already exists in those places in many instances. If it's kept, non-injury content should be removed, and this article's title should be "Health risks in association football" or something similar. Skeletor3000 ( talk) 18:58, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
- You voted merge - which would eliminate this article. I'd think Keep would make more sense ... and then follow the earlier proposal to split the gridiron stuff elsewhere. Your comments seem to contradict your merge vote.
Nfitz (
talk) 18:45, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
- Merge agree with ( Skeletor3000). Merge into athlete to prevent proliferation of similar pages such as Rugby player, badminton player etc. PenulisHantu ( talk) 17:29, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
- Keep - article is well referenced, and also exists in dozens of other languages. I see no basis here for deletion or merging. There was however a relatively recent discussion at Talk:Football player#Split proposal to split the American/gridiron information from the soccer information, that hasn't yet been done, despite support, that would address any multi-sport concerns. Nfitz ( talk) 17:48, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
- Keep - absolutely fine. Giant Snowman 20:24, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
- Keep - It offers specific discussion about the player of the sport that makes no sense to merge into another article. No need for basic information about the various sports that are discussed in other articles to be included in this article though. Walter Görlitz ( talk) 20:27, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
- Keep Well referenced, seems notable. I don't share the multi-sport concerns, as football is ambiguous internationally. SportingFlyer T· C 01:29, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- Comment I have reread the article and there are some aspects that I think are bordering on WP:TNT. The articles terminology jumps between generic "football" and often "association football" misleading the reader. Some of the references, while they use the word "football", would appear to be actually referring to "association football", yet they are cited against the generic word "football". For an article that includes "medical information" I think such needs a very thorough review if the article is allowed to stay. Also, it needs to properly refer readers to far more detailed articles such as Concussions in sport. There is also non clear discussion in other areas, eg, wages, referrring to "top leagues" when it means "top association football leagues". Aoziwe ( talk) 07:04, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Medicine-related deletion discussions. Aoziwe ( talk) 07:04, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- Comment It's good for a laugh. In addition to the melange of undefined types of football, some highlights - "Sport person", "Once signed, some learn to play better football", the insertion of the isolated sentence about penalty kicks, and the random list of body parts at the end. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 180.150.71.154 ( talk) 04:07, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.