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They also don't have an article on French or Dutch or another Belgian language, for which I suggest to delete it per
WP:TNT to encourage the creation of a new article in the case another notable Ernest Ista arises.
Paradise Chronicle (
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09:42, 12 November 2022 (UTC)reply
Redirect to
Belgium at the 1908 Summer Olympics. It doesn't matter what there is in other Wikis (although in fact there is an equivalent article in the Polish wiki). As far as I can see there IS no other notable Ernest Ista but even if there were, we would want an actual article. I don't see any present argument for a TNT.
Ingratis (
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10:55, 12 November 2022 (UTC)reply
Delete. Fails all criteria for a standalone article due to lack significant coverage and no known achievements. There was a late 19th century artist of the same name who may be more notable (evident from a simple google search); this is enough to oppose redirecting. wjematherplease leave a message...12:38, 12 November 2022 (UTC)reply
Comment - not so: this is back to front. First produce an article on the other Ernest Ista - from the very low valuations of his works on the art sites he seems very unlikely to be a notable artist, which is why I discounted him - and then we'll see. You haven't given any other reason not to redirect - {{R to list entry}} meets the case exactly.
Ingratis (
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13:12, 12 November 2022 (UTC)reply
Utter nonsense. As far as we can tell, the two individuals are equally non-notable (and discountable) due to lack of available significant coverage and lack of any known noteworthy achievement or award. Retaining a redirect to an article that contains virtually no information about one of them is not helpful - WP season will find all article mentions perfectly adequately.
WP:R#DELETE applies. wjematherplease leave a message...16:14, 12 November 2022 (UTC)reply
Thanks for the civility. Same point-missing comments as always. There's a real difference between an article already in existence that can be redirected to a list entry (what on earth do you think the template is for otherwise?) and a non-existent article on a real nobody, but you don't seem to grasp that and I won't waste more time on a brick wall. If you can point to
WP:R#DELETE for a redirect that doesn't exist yet, I can point to
WP:R#KEEP.
Ingratis (
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06:03, 13 November 2022 (UTC)reply
Except this isn't an article in any real sense. It's a database entry mirror, so there is nothing to retain. There also isn't a target article that contains any meaningful context about the subject. To illustrate the absurdity of the argument, using your rationale, we could equally as justifiably add the artist to a list article and redirect there. wjematherplease leave a message...23:24, 13 November 2022 (UTC)reply
Redirect to
Belgium at the 1908 Summer Olympics#Shooting where a note can be added. This is per
WP:ATD which is policy. Such a move will ensure that the attribution and sourcing in the original article are retained and allow it to be expanded as and when other sources become available - we're not on a deadline here remember and it's entirely possible that those sources may emerge. If we need to disambiguate along the way then that's just fine. Certainly a modern athlete competing in the Olympic games these days would, no doubt, create significant coverage and be noted in a number of places in some detail, so I'm not sure that it's reasonable to assume that he did "nothing notable".
Blue Square Thing (
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19:07, 13 November 2022 (UTC)reply
Per my comments above, this is nothing more than a mirror of a database entry so there is nothing to retain. Also, NOLY was reduced to medal winners only, precisely because even modern era competitors do not generate significant coverage unless they achieve something. wjematherplease leave a message...23:29, 13 November 2022 (UTC)reply
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They also don't have an article on French or Dutch or another Belgian language, for which I suggest to delete it per
WP:TNT to encourage the creation of a new article in the case another notable Ernest Ista arises.
Paradise Chronicle (
talk)
09:42, 12 November 2022 (UTC)reply
Redirect to
Belgium at the 1908 Summer Olympics. It doesn't matter what there is in other Wikis (although in fact there is an equivalent article in the Polish wiki). As far as I can see there IS no other notable Ernest Ista but even if there were, we would want an actual article. I don't see any present argument for a TNT.
Ingratis (
talk)
10:55, 12 November 2022 (UTC)reply
Delete. Fails all criteria for a standalone article due to lack significant coverage and no known achievements. There was a late 19th century artist of the same name who may be more notable (evident from a simple google search); this is enough to oppose redirecting. wjematherplease leave a message...12:38, 12 November 2022 (UTC)reply
Comment - not so: this is back to front. First produce an article on the other Ernest Ista - from the very low valuations of his works on the art sites he seems very unlikely to be a notable artist, which is why I discounted him - and then we'll see. You haven't given any other reason not to redirect - {{R to list entry}} meets the case exactly.
Ingratis (
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13:12, 12 November 2022 (UTC)reply
Utter nonsense. As far as we can tell, the two individuals are equally non-notable (and discountable) due to lack of available significant coverage and lack of any known noteworthy achievement or award. Retaining a redirect to an article that contains virtually no information about one of them is not helpful - WP season will find all article mentions perfectly adequately.
WP:R#DELETE applies. wjematherplease leave a message...16:14, 12 November 2022 (UTC)reply
Thanks for the civility. Same point-missing comments as always. There's a real difference between an article already in existence that can be redirected to a list entry (what on earth do you think the template is for otherwise?) and a non-existent article on a real nobody, but you don't seem to grasp that and I won't waste more time on a brick wall. If you can point to
WP:R#DELETE for a redirect that doesn't exist yet, I can point to
WP:R#KEEP.
Ingratis (
talk)
06:03, 13 November 2022 (UTC)reply
Except this isn't an article in any real sense. It's a database entry mirror, so there is nothing to retain. There also isn't a target article that contains any meaningful context about the subject. To illustrate the absurdity of the argument, using your rationale, we could equally as justifiably add the artist to a list article and redirect there. wjematherplease leave a message...23:24, 13 November 2022 (UTC)reply
Redirect to
Belgium at the 1908 Summer Olympics#Shooting where a note can be added. This is per
WP:ATD which is policy. Such a move will ensure that the attribution and sourcing in the original article are retained and allow it to be expanded as and when other sources become available - we're not on a deadline here remember and it's entirely possible that those sources may emerge. If we need to disambiguate along the way then that's just fine. Certainly a modern athlete competing in the Olympic games these days would, no doubt, create significant coverage and be noted in a number of places in some detail, so I'm not sure that it's reasonable to assume that he did "nothing notable".
Blue Square Thing (
talk)
19:07, 13 November 2022 (UTC)reply
Per my comments above, this is nothing more than a mirror of a database entry so there is nothing to retain. Also, NOLY was reduced to medal winners only, precisely because even modern era competitors do not generate significant coverage unless they achieve something. wjematherplease leave a message...23:29, 13 November 2022 (UTC)reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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