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The result was no consensus to delete. bd2412 T 00:05, 18 May 2017 (UTC)
Dice Ailes
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The subject of this article fails WP:GNG and WP:MUSICBIO. Being signed to a major record label in his native country doesn't equate to notability. The subject has not received significant coverage in reliable sources to warrant stand-alone inclusion. The music chart cited in the article isn't a reliable chart. Winning a low-level award at The Headies isn't enough to justify a separate article. Versace1608 Wanna Talk? 22:20, 27 April 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Versace1608 Wanna Talk? 22:20, 27 April 2017 (UTC)
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- Keep The news link above shows multiple RSes. Walter Görlitz ( talk) 22:32, 27 April 2017 (UTC)
- Comment:@
Walter Görlitz: None of the webpages in the news link discusses the subject or his musical releases in detail.
Versace1608
Wanna Talk?
23:02, 27 April 2017 (UTC)
- Comment Two points: 1) You responded within 40 minutes of my !vote and yet you make the absolute statement that "none of the [548] webpages in the news link". So you looked at them all? Assuming that you actually saw my !vote immediately after I hits save, that would mean you reviewed about 14 pages a minute. That's impressive. Now, I assume you could be using hyperbole, or you actually checked them all
WP:BEFORE you nominated the article. OK. 2) It's is easy to refute with a single case:
http://pulse.ng/buzz/dice-ailes-will-be-a-star-with-miracle-id6033688.html, but there were at least two others that were not fan fawning. My decision to claim it should be kept remains unchanged based on the sheer volume of stories.
Walter Görlitz (
talk)
23:49, 27 April 2017 (UTC)
- Comment. To reiterate, the sources in the link do not discuss the subject or his musical releases in detail. Majority of them are mere announcements of his releases. Can you create stand-alone articles about each of those singles in the news link? The answer to that question is no. Stop making assumptions about what I reviewed or didn't review. Versace1608 Wanna Talk? 00:06, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
- Comment Two points: 1) You responded within 40 minutes of my !vote and yet you make the absolute statement that "none of the [548] webpages in the news link". So you looked at them all? Assuming that you actually saw my !vote immediately after I hits save, that would mean you reviewed about 14 pages a minute. That's impressive. Now, I assume you could be using hyperbole, or you actually checked them all
WP:BEFORE you nominated the article. OK. 2) It's is easy to refute with a single case:
http://pulse.ng/buzz/dice-ailes-will-be-a-star-with-miracle-id6033688.html, but there were at least two others that were not fan fawning. My decision to claim it should be kept remains unchanged based on the sheer volume of stories.
Walter Görlitz (
talk)
23:49, 27 April 2017 (UTC)
- Keep There are enough third party news links in the article to make it noteworthy. TH1980 ( talk) 22:33, 27 April 2017 (UTC)
- Strong delete No in-depth coverage in reliable press / sources. Celestina007 ( talk) 00:39, 28, April 2017 (UTC)
- Comment Just a thought: I'm not weighing in on the keep-vs.-delete question. But if the consensus is Delete, how about merging/redirecting it to Chocolate City Music - the name of his label - instead? Assuming that connection is verified, of course. -- MelanieN ( talk) 01:53, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
- Speedy keep I don't think you read this article or made research. I want to point out 2 fact that make's an article notable on Wikipedia. 1.) You said it's fail's WP:MUSICBIO, but you so wrong, the article meets criteria 1, 8: The Headies [1], 10: Felabration [2], 11:How do you check song's which has been placed on rotation on Major radio?, The answer is by checking the radio's official webpage or "PlayData Chart" because that chart is been put together by major radio stations in Lagos only and it's based on rotation. [3] and 12 [4]. 2.) You said it's fail's WP:GNG, but you also wrong. You might have seen for yourself now it's also pass WP:GNG. I got nothing more to contribute to this, it's clear it meet's WP:MUSICBIO and WP:GNG.-- Obari2Kay ( talk) 07:39, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
References
- ^ "Mayorkun, Terry Apala or Dice Ailes: Who will win the Headies 2016 Rookie of the Year award?". Nigerian Entertainment Today. 19 December 2016. Retrieved 29 April 2017.
- ^ Helen, Ajomole. "Check out artiste lined up to celebrate late Fela Kuti in 2016 (photos)". Naij. Retrieved 29 April 2017.
- ^ Solanke, Abiola. "Tekno"s "Pana" is the hottest song on Playdata Radio Chart". Pulse. Retrieved 29 April 2017.
- ^ "Dice Ailes On The Drive Time Show With Gbemi | The Beat 99.9 FM". The Beat 99.9 FM. Retrieved 29 April 2017.
- Redirect to Chocolate City Music. Aside these sources [1], [2], this is a case of WP:TOOSOON. — Oluwa2Chainz »» ( talk to me) 15:42, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
- Comment The article is notable enough to stand on it's on, as it's said on the article "This article about a Nigerian singer is a stub. You can help Wikipedia by expanding it" not redirecting or deleting. The first nomination made by
you in 2016, was clear the article was a case of
WP:TOOSOON not now the article meet's it's criteria's.--
Obari2Kay (
talk)
18:08, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
- Obari2Kay you have a history of writing articles about relatively non-notable Nigerian musicians. You still need to go back to the basics of this community. — Oluwa2Chainz »» ( talk to me) 23:29, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
- Oluwa2Chainz Now i understand the reason's why you guy's keep nominating my articles for deletion, it's because you always see them as not being relevant, Wikipedia has a law which should be followed. Before i write any article's, I always make sure they meet's it's criteria. You said i have a history, what history Jay Pizzle & Fliptyce got nominated for deletion, just two article make's up a history. Point of correction my subject is always notable to stand alone, they only get nominated for deletion because editor choose not to follow WP:MUSICBIO and also like to find forth in my article. Wikipedia never said you need over a 100 or 50 reliable sources to make up a stand alone article, they only said on WP:MUSICBIO "may be notable if they meet at least one of the following criteria" in my case all the article i have written meet's more that one criteria of WP:MUSICBIO and also meet's WP:GNG expect for Jay Pizzle and Fliptyce.-- Obari2Kay ( talk) 06:36, 29 April 2017 (UTC)
- Comment The article is notable enough to stand on it's on, as it's said on the article "This article about a Nigerian singer is a stub. You can help Wikipedia by expanding it" not redirecting or deleting. The first nomination made by
you in 2016, was clear the article was a case of
WP:TOOSOON not now the article meet's it's criteria's.--
Obari2Kay (
talk)
18:08, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Winged Blades Godric 03:59, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Winged Blades Godric 03:59, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
- Comment This other article from "360 Nobs"
[3], "
OkayAfrica"
[4], "
Nigerian Tribune"
[5] and
Tush Magazine
[6], has very significant coverage and this source is reliable enough. With this i should be able to convince you in changing your vote,
MelanieN,
Celestina007
Oluwa2Chainz and also changing your mind "
Versace1608".--
Obari2Kay (
talk)
18:32, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
- @ Obari2Kay: There is nothing significant about the references you mentioned above. The OkayAfrica source briefly talks about his song "Yemisi", not about him. The Nigerian Tribune source is a brief press about his so-called "versatility". The 360nobs source briefly talks about his song "Telephone". None of the sources you cited discusses the subject in detail. As a matter of fact, none of his singles have been discussed in detail. He is still an up-and-coming artist and do not deserve to have a separate article just yet. He only has one hit song to his name. Mayorkun is a bigger artist than Dice Ailes, yet he doesn't have a separate article. You should keep in mind that he was awarded Rookie of The Year over Dice Ailes. Versace1608 Wanna Talk? 23:11, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
- @
Versace1608: You said "None of the sources I cited discusses the subject in detail. As a matter of fact, none of his singles have been discussed in detail". Note, "Miracle" was discussed
[7]
[8] why this is a brief discussion
[9] and "Telephone" was also discussed briefly
[10]. You also said "None of the sources I cited discusses the subject in detail", the interview with
Tush Magazine is clear
[11]. Am i wrong @
Walter Görlitz: and @
TH1980: ?.--
Obari2Kay (
talk)
11:30, 10 May 2017 (UTC)
- @ Obari2Kay: The songs above fail WP:NSONG and has not been discussed in detail. Can you create separate articles about those songs? The answer is no. None of the songs above received full-length reviews, nor did they chart on any country's official music chart. Moreover, they did not receive any notable accolades. The Tush Magazine source is considered WP:PRIMARY because it is not independent of the subject. FYI, primary sources cannot be used to establish the notability of a subject. Versace1608 Wanna Talk? 21:29, 10 May 2017 (UTC)
- The fact still remains the same, he is notable to stand alone. Has been a featured subject of a substantial broadcast segment across a national radio known as The Beat 99.9 FM [12] and TV network known as Soundcity TV [13]. You may keep trying to change the fact it's meet WP:GNG but that doesn't change my vote as Speedy Keep, here is a debate you contributed to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ruby Gyang on that debate you included this link as WP:GNG [14] and yet you classify Tush Magazine as WP:PRIMARY because you feel it's not independent of the subject. As it was said earlier the subject has a lot of third-party source please note that. Also songs released in "OCTOBER" don't get nominated for an award in that same year, just like you said "The songs above fail WP:NSONG" yes it does but the subject in person passes WP:GNG and WP:MUSICBIO, but i can bet on it The Headies 2017 and 2017 Nigeria Entertainment Awards that single "Miracle" would get nominated only then i would be able to write an article for the song and also "Miracle" was reviewed [15] but it can't still hold the article together as a stand alone for this article Miracle (Dice Ailes song).-- Obari2Kay ( talk) 07:10, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
- Comment This other article from "360 Nobs"
[3], "
OkayAfrica"
[4], "
Nigerian Tribune"
[5] and
Tush Magazine
[6], has very significant coverage and this source is reliable enough. With this i should be able to convince you in changing your vote,
MelanieN,
Celestina007
Oluwa2Chainz and also changing your mind "
Versace1608".--
Obari2Kay (
talk)
18:32, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
- Keep He is signed to a major record label and was also included on The Indestructible Choc Boi Nation, a notable compilation album released by Chcolate City in 2015. Also been subject of multiple notable print media and notable radio's stations Rhythm 93.7 FM Lagos [16] & The Beat 99.9 FM [17].-- MKJ6006 ( talk) 10:13, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
- Comment: we are now seeing keep !votes from editors with no other edits on en-WP than creating promotional articles about non-notable Nigerian bloggers, rappers etc, and !voting keep when articles of that kind created by others are nominated for deletion. Making me believe that we're seeing a group of people engaging in paid editing. - Tom | Thomas.W talk 10:50, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
- Delete as non-notable per nom, suggest discounting "votes" from accounts with minimal non-promotional edits, per the comment above. It has also been suggested, on other RfDs that MKJ6006 is a sockpuppet. Ifnord ( talk) 18:49, 17 May 2017 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was no consensus to delete. bd2412 T 00:05, 18 May 2017 (UTC)
Dice Ailes
AfDs for this article:
- Dice Ailes ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
The subject of this article fails WP:GNG and WP:MUSICBIO. Being signed to a major record label in his native country doesn't equate to notability. The subject has not received significant coverage in reliable sources to warrant stand-alone inclusion. The music chart cited in the article isn't a reliable chart. Winning a low-level award at The Headies isn't enough to justify a separate article. Versace1608 Wanna Talk? 22:20, 27 April 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Versace1608 Wanna Talk? 22:20, 27 April 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Versace1608 Wanna Talk? 22:20, 27 April 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Nigeria-related deletion discussions. Versace1608 Wanna Talk? 22:20, 27 April 2017 (UTC)
- Keep The news link above shows multiple RSes. Walter Görlitz ( talk) 22:32, 27 April 2017 (UTC)
- Comment:@
Walter Görlitz: None of the webpages in the news link discusses the subject or his musical releases in detail.
Versace1608
Wanna Talk?
23:02, 27 April 2017 (UTC)
- Comment Two points: 1) You responded within 40 minutes of my !vote and yet you make the absolute statement that "none of the [548] webpages in the news link". So you looked at them all? Assuming that you actually saw my !vote immediately after I hits save, that would mean you reviewed about 14 pages a minute. That's impressive. Now, I assume you could be using hyperbole, or you actually checked them all
WP:BEFORE you nominated the article. OK. 2) It's is easy to refute with a single case:
http://pulse.ng/buzz/dice-ailes-will-be-a-star-with-miracle-id6033688.html, but there were at least two others that were not fan fawning. My decision to claim it should be kept remains unchanged based on the sheer volume of stories.
Walter Görlitz (
talk)
23:49, 27 April 2017 (UTC)
- Comment. To reiterate, the sources in the link do not discuss the subject or his musical releases in detail. Majority of them are mere announcements of his releases. Can you create stand-alone articles about each of those singles in the news link? The answer to that question is no. Stop making assumptions about what I reviewed or didn't review. Versace1608 Wanna Talk? 00:06, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
- Comment Two points: 1) You responded within 40 minutes of my !vote and yet you make the absolute statement that "none of the [548] webpages in the news link". So you looked at them all? Assuming that you actually saw my !vote immediately after I hits save, that would mean you reviewed about 14 pages a minute. That's impressive. Now, I assume you could be using hyperbole, or you actually checked them all
WP:BEFORE you nominated the article. OK. 2) It's is easy to refute with a single case:
http://pulse.ng/buzz/dice-ailes-will-be-a-star-with-miracle-id6033688.html, but there were at least two others that were not fan fawning. My decision to claim it should be kept remains unchanged based on the sheer volume of stories.
Walter Görlitz (
talk)
23:49, 27 April 2017 (UTC)
- Keep There are enough third party news links in the article to make it noteworthy. TH1980 ( talk) 22:33, 27 April 2017 (UTC)
- Strong delete No in-depth coverage in reliable press / sources. Celestina007 ( talk) 00:39, 28, April 2017 (UTC)
- Comment Just a thought: I'm not weighing in on the keep-vs.-delete question. But if the consensus is Delete, how about merging/redirecting it to Chocolate City Music - the name of his label - instead? Assuming that connection is verified, of course. -- MelanieN ( talk) 01:53, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
- Speedy keep I don't think you read this article or made research. I want to point out 2 fact that make's an article notable on Wikipedia. 1.) You said it's fail's WP:MUSICBIO, but you so wrong, the article meets criteria 1, 8: The Headies [1], 10: Felabration [2], 11:How do you check song's which has been placed on rotation on Major radio?, The answer is by checking the radio's official webpage or "PlayData Chart" because that chart is been put together by major radio stations in Lagos only and it's based on rotation. [3] and 12 [4]. 2.) You said it's fail's WP:GNG, but you also wrong. You might have seen for yourself now it's also pass WP:GNG. I got nothing more to contribute to this, it's clear it meet's WP:MUSICBIO and WP:GNG.-- Obari2Kay ( talk) 07:39, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
References
- ^ "Mayorkun, Terry Apala or Dice Ailes: Who will win the Headies 2016 Rookie of the Year award?". Nigerian Entertainment Today. 19 December 2016. Retrieved 29 April 2017.
- ^ Helen, Ajomole. "Check out artiste lined up to celebrate late Fela Kuti in 2016 (photos)". Naij. Retrieved 29 April 2017.
- ^ Solanke, Abiola. "Tekno"s "Pana" is the hottest song on Playdata Radio Chart". Pulse. Retrieved 29 April 2017.
- ^ "Dice Ailes On The Drive Time Show With Gbemi | The Beat 99.9 FM". The Beat 99.9 FM. Retrieved 29 April 2017.
- Redirect to Chocolate City Music. Aside these sources [1], [2], this is a case of WP:TOOSOON. — Oluwa2Chainz »» ( talk to me) 15:42, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
- Comment The article is notable enough to stand on it's on, as it's said on the article "This article about a Nigerian singer is a stub. You can help Wikipedia by expanding it" not redirecting or deleting. The first nomination made by
you in 2016, was clear the article was a case of
WP:TOOSOON not now the article meet's it's criteria's.--
Obari2Kay (
talk)
18:08, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
- Obari2Kay you have a history of writing articles about relatively non-notable Nigerian musicians. You still need to go back to the basics of this community. — Oluwa2Chainz »» ( talk to me) 23:29, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
- Oluwa2Chainz Now i understand the reason's why you guy's keep nominating my articles for deletion, it's because you always see them as not being relevant, Wikipedia has a law which should be followed. Before i write any article's, I always make sure they meet's it's criteria. You said i have a history, what history Jay Pizzle & Fliptyce got nominated for deletion, just two article make's up a history. Point of correction my subject is always notable to stand alone, they only get nominated for deletion because editor choose not to follow WP:MUSICBIO and also like to find forth in my article. Wikipedia never said you need over a 100 or 50 reliable sources to make up a stand alone article, they only said on WP:MUSICBIO "may be notable if they meet at least one of the following criteria" in my case all the article i have written meet's more that one criteria of WP:MUSICBIO and also meet's WP:GNG expect for Jay Pizzle and Fliptyce.-- Obari2Kay ( talk) 06:36, 29 April 2017 (UTC)
- Comment The article is notable enough to stand on it's on, as it's said on the article "This article about a Nigerian singer is a stub. You can help Wikipedia by expanding it" not redirecting or deleting. The first nomination made by
you in 2016, was clear the article was a case of
WP:TOOSOON not now the article meet's it's criteria's.--
Obari2Kay (
talk)
18:08, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Winged Blades Godric 03:59, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Winged Blades Godric 03:59, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
- Comment This other article from "360 Nobs"
[3], "
OkayAfrica"
[4], "
Nigerian Tribune"
[5] and
Tush Magazine
[6], has very significant coverage and this source is reliable enough. With this i should be able to convince you in changing your vote,
MelanieN,
Celestina007
Oluwa2Chainz and also changing your mind "
Versace1608".--
Obari2Kay (
talk)
18:32, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
- @ Obari2Kay: There is nothing significant about the references you mentioned above. The OkayAfrica source briefly talks about his song "Yemisi", not about him. The Nigerian Tribune source is a brief press about his so-called "versatility". The 360nobs source briefly talks about his song "Telephone". None of the sources you cited discusses the subject in detail. As a matter of fact, none of his singles have been discussed in detail. He is still an up-and-coming artist and do not deserve to have a separate article just yet. He only has one hit song to his name. Mayorkun is a bigger artist than Dice Ailes, yet he doesn't have a separate article. You should keep in mind that he was awarded Rookie of The Year over Dice Ailes. Versace1608 Wanna Talk? 23:11, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
- @
Versace1608: You said "None of the sources I cited discusses the subject in detail. As a matter of fact, none of his singles have been discussed in detail". Note, "Miracle" was discussed
[7]
[8] why this is a brief discussion
[9] and "Telephone" was also discussed briefly
[10]. You also said "None of the sources I cited discusses the subject in detail", the interview with
Tush Magazine is clear
[11]. Am i wrong @
Walter Görlitz: and @
TH1980: ?.--
Obari2Kay (
talk)
11:30, 10 May 2017 (UTC)
- @ Obari2Kay: The songs above fail WP:NSONG and has not been discussed in detail. Can you create separate articles about those songs? The answer is no. None of the songs above received full-length reviews, nor did they chart on any country's official music chart. Moreover, they did not receive any notable accolades. The Tush Magazine source is considered WP:PRIMARY because it is not independent of the subject. FYI, primary sources cannot be used to establish the notability of a subject. Versace1608 Wanna Talk? 21:29, 10 May 2017 (UTC)
- The fact still remains the same, he is notable to stand alone. Has been a featured subject of a substantial broadcast segment across a national radio known as The Beat 99.9 FM [12] and TV network known as Soundcity TV [13]. You may keep trying to change the fact it's meet WP:GNG but that doesn't change my vote as Speedy Keep, here is a debate you contributed to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ruby Gyang on that debate you included this link as WP:GNG [14] and yet you classify Tush Magazine as WP:PRIMARY because you feel it's not independent of the subject. As it was said earlier the subject has a lot of third-party source please note that. Also songs released in "OCTOBER" don't get nominated for an award in that same year, just like you said "The songs above fail WP:NSONG" yes it does but the subject in person passes WP:GNG and WP:MUSICBIO, but i can bet on it The Headies 2017 and 2017 Nigeria Entertainment Awards that single "Miracle" would get nominated only then i would be able to write an article for the song and also "Miracle" was reviewed [15] but it can't still hold the article together as a stand alone for this article Miracle (Dice Ailes song).-- Obari2Kay ( talk) 07:10, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
- Comment This other article from "360 Nobs"
[3], "
OkayAfrica"
[4], "
Nigerian Tribune"
[5] and
Tush Magazine
[6], has very significant coverage and this source is reliable enough. With this i should be able to convince you in changing your vote,
MelanieN,
Celestina007
Oluwa2Chainz and also changing your mind "
Versace1608".--
Obari2Kay (
talk)
18:32, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
- Keep He is signed to a major record label and was also included on The Indestructible Choc Boi Nation, a notable compilation album released by Chcolate City in 2015. Also been subject of multiple notable print media and notable radio's stations Rhythm 93.7 FM Lagos [16] & The Beat 99.9 FM [17].-- MKJ6006 ( talk) 10:13, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
- Comment: we are now seeing keep !votes from editors with no other edits on en-WP than creating promotional articles about non-notable Nigerian bloggers, rappers etc, and !voting keep when articles of that kind created by others are nominated for deletion. Making me believe that we're seeing a group of people engaging in paid editing. - Tom | Thomas.W talk 10:50, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
- Delete as non-notable per nom, suggest discounting "votes" from accounts with minimal non-promotional edits, per the comment above. It has also been suggested, on other RfDs that MKJ6006 is a sockpuppet. Ifnord ( talk) 18:49, 17 May 2017 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.