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The result was keep. Withdrawn by nominator (
non-admin closure)
Zingarese
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Zero sources and nothing in a Before. Maybe notable for 117 bassoon concertos though. (Was BLPPRODed but removed because there were apparently sources though actually there was nothing but the composer's own sites and those not used as sources.) — Iadmc ♫ talk 14:54, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep as an easy pass of
WP:CREATIVE #4c. Five critical reviews, much more than needed for CREATIVE #4c, are in the article. There is no shortage of many more. Should NEVER have been prodded per
WP:PROD:
PROD must only be used if no opposition to the deletion is expected.
Which part of "must" is unclear? gidonb ( talk) 17:45, 21 June 2024 (UTC)- Sorry. I was wrong to PROD — Iadmc ♫ talk 19:19, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Additional sources can be found by searching on the alternate spelling "Chiel Meyering." However, I am not finding WP:SIGCOV in the sources, just many WP:TRIVIALMENTIONS. Per gidonb, I am not sure he would pass WP:CREATIVE since the critical reviews available appear not be be of his compositions per se, but of performances of his music; is that sufficient? Moreover, as a composer he should be evaluated under WP:NMUSIC; composer is not a category available for CREATIVE. Dclemens1971 ( talk) 12:07, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
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WP:CREATIVE is very clear:
This guideline applies to authors, editors, journalists, filmmakers, photographers, artists, architects, and other creative professionals.
Composers are other creative professionals. There's no exclusion for good reasons. Furthermore, this argument is also a non-argument in the sense that Meijering passes WP:NMUSIC just as well. This not a this or that but rather it is a this and that situation. There's an any easy pass of NMUSIC just as well. gidonb ( talk) 18:31, 22 June 2024 (UTC) - Never knew about that alternative spelling. The reviews under that spelling all seem to be about recordings rather than him or his music but that may not matter. If no one objects (I'll withdraw and see if the article can be expanded and better sourced. —
Iadmc
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19:24, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- No objection. The article is already expanded and better sourced. Ernst Vermeulen is one of the Dutch prime contemporary classical music critics of all times. Nlwiki carries his entry. Please become a bit selective with nominations in the future. Especially with prods. AfD should not be used as a method to force others to reference articles. You can reference these just as well. All Wikipedians should be equal. gidonb ( talk) 19:40, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
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Wcquidditch Do you object to my withdrawing? The article has been expanded and sourced and looks to be set for further work. —
Iadmc
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20:35, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- No objection. Dclemens1971 ( talk) 20:56, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
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WP:CREATIVE is very clear:
- Withdrawn by nominator — Iadmc ♫ talk 01:22, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
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The result was keep. Withdrawn by nominator (
non-admin closure)
Zingarese
talk ·
contribs (please
mention me on reply; thanks!)
15:26, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Chiel Meijering ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log | edits since nomination)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
Zero sources and nothing in a Before. Maybe notable for 117 bassoon concertos though. (Was BLPPRODed but removed because there were apparently sources though actually there was nothing but the composer's own sites and those not used as sources.) — Iadmc ♫ talk 14:54, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People, Bands and musicians, and Music. — Iadmc ♫ talk 14:54, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Netherlands-related deletion discussions. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 18:48, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as an easy pass of
WP:CREATIVE #4c. Five critical reviews, much more than needed for CREATIVE #4c, are in the article. There is no shortage of many more. Should NEVER have been prodded per
WP:PROD:
PROD must only be used if no opposition to the deletion is expected.
Which part of "must" is unclear? gidonb ( talk) 17:45, 21 June 2024 (UTC)- Sorry. I was wrong to PROD — Iadmc ♫ talk 19:19, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Additional sources can be found by searching on the alternate spelling "Chiel Meyering." However, I am not finding WP:SIGCOV in the sources, just many WP:TRIVIALMENTIONS. Per gidonb, I am not sure he would pass WP:CREATIVE since the critical reviews available appear not be be of his compositions per se, but of performances of his music; is that sufficient? Moreover, as a composer he should be evaluated under WP:NMUSIC; composer is not a category available for CREATIVE. Dclemens1971 ( talk) 12:07, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
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WP:CREATIVE is very clear:
This guideline applies to authors, editors, journalists, filmmakers, photographers, artists, architects, and other creative professionals.
Composers are other creative professionals. There's no exclusion for good reasons. Furthermore, this argument is also a non-argument in the sense that Meijering passes WP:NMUSIC just as well. This not a this or that but rather it is a this and that situation. There's an any easy pass of NMUSIC just as well. gidonb ( talk) 18:31, 22 June 2024 (UTC) - Never knew about that alternative spelling. The reviews under that spelling all seem to be about recordings rather than him or his music but that may not matter. If no one objects (I'll withdraw and see if the article can be expanded and better sourced. —
Iadmc
♫
talk
19:24, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- No objection. The article is already expanded and better sourced. Ernst Vermeulen is one of the Dutch prime contemporary classical music critics of all times. Nlwiki carries his entry. Please become a bit selective with nominations in the future. Especially with prods. AfD should not be used as a method to force others to reference articles. You can reference these just as well. All Wikipedians should be equal. gidonb ( talk) 19:40, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- @
Dclemens1971@
Wcquidditch Do you object to my withdrawing? The article has been expanded and sourced and looks to be set for further work. —
Iadmc
♫
talk
20:35, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- No objection. Dclemens1971 ( talk) 20:56, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
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WP:CREATIVE is very clear:
- Withdrawn by nominator — Iadmc ♫ talk 01:22, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
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