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The result was speedy keep. Passes NPOL; closing as speedy per withdrawn nomination and refactored !votes. (non-admin closure) Goldsztajn ( talk) 11:22, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
Bouchaib Benlabsir
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This is complex. 1) Unclear whether being an MP is sufficient for notability and 2) complete inability to verify that he was indeed one. I can find nothing that isn't a wikipedia mirror in either English or French, even searching on the
original French text which was probably an obit. While he died in 1992, there should be something that verified his career. SPA creator hasn't been active in seven years, so no luck there.
Star
Mississippi 01:30, 10 October 2022 (UTC) Edit: parliamentary role has been verified now that we have an alternate transliteration. This can be considered nomination withdrawn.
Star
Mississippi
23:48, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People, Politicians, and Morocco. Star Mississippi 01:30, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
Soft delete (or delete for now) I was unable to find any verification that the subject served in the Parliament of Morocco. If a reliable source is found, this would be a keep per WP:NPOL. But NPOL requires verification of service in a national legislature (or a state/province-wide legislature). -- Enos733 ( talk) 04:55, 10 October 2022 (UTC)Keep per new sources found. Passes WP:NPOL. -- Enos733 ( talk) 23:43, 10 October 2022 (UTC)Soft deleteafter a bit of hunting around I found the Arabic spelling “ بوشعيب بن البصير” which I located because he has a street named after him in his home town of Settat. I guess he was a local notable on that basis but I can’t find anything about him at all. Mccapra ( talk) 06:44, 10 October 2022 (UTC)- Comment: What did you mean with point 1?
Curbon7 (
talk)
07:18, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- I may have misread it, but NPOL to me says being elected isn't enough if we don't have coverage. Given when he served (possibly 1972?) we're not looking for volumes of text. But something to verify his inauguration or what sessions he presided over would be helpful. If we could find the obit, that might even be helpful.
Star
Mississippi
14:20, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- For NPOL, we only need a source that verifies he served in a national or provincial legislature (latter only if it is a federal country). NPOL, along with
WP:NPROF and a couple others, work as an alternative to
WP:GNG; that is, we consider anyone who passes these guidelines to be ipso facto notable. So if we can verify he's an MP, that would be enough to pass.
Curbon7 (
talk)
17:20, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks for that clarification (and the transliteration consideration below). I was aware of it for academic/professors if they were well cited enough, but don't frequently edit political bios and hadn't realized it. Star Mississippi 17:24, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- For NPOL, we only need a source that verifies he served in a national or provincial legislature (latter only if it is a federal country). NPOL, along with
WP:NPROF and a couple others, work as an alternative to
WP:GNG; that is, we consider anyone who passes these guidelines to be ipso facto notable. So if we can verify he's an MP, that would be enough to pass.
Curbon7 (
talk)
17:20, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- I may have misread it, but NPOL to me says being elected isn't enough if we don't have coverage. Given when he served (possibly 1972?) we're not looking for volumes of text. But something to verify his inauguration or what sessions he presided over would be helpful. If we could find the obit, that might even be helpful.
Star
Mississippi
14:20, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- Comment: His name may be misspelled, as I found
this obit, which lists him under the name "Bouchaib Benlebsir".
Curbon7 (
talk)
17:21, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- There is some mention of him when I searched for him last name first (Benlabsir Bouchaib), but still no verification of being an MP, just bullitains that mention him (
[1]
[2]).However, there is a book on GBooks that may have some mention of him, as it keeps popping up when I search his name. I've put in a resource request at
WP:RX; if it turns out to be a nothingburger, then
soft delete. Curbon7 ( talk) 17:44, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- There is some mention of him when I searched for him last name first (Benlabsir Bouchaib), but still no verification of being an MP, just bullitains that mention him (
[1]
[2]).However, there is a book on GBooks that may have some mention of him, as it keeps popping up when I search his name. I've put in a resource request at
WP:RX; if it turns out to be a nothingburger, then
- Keep The source verifies that he was elected to the Parliament in 1977. I gutted the article of all the unsourced information.
Star Mississippi, I can email you the PDF of the book chapter if you want to verify.
Curbon7 (
talk)
23:20, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- No need, you're an established editor and there's no reason to doubt your sources. I won't close this as nom withdrawn as there are extant delete !votes but this is resolved. While AfD isn't and shouldn't be cleanup, sometimes it helps. Thanks for your research @ Curbon7 Star Mississippi 23:47, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- Keep: Mediterranean House of Human Sciences https://cinumed.mmsh.univ-aix.fr/collection/item/65526-documents-maroc says that he was member of Parliament (You can search by this term "Benlabsir Bouchaib") which means he is notable as of fourth line of Wikipedia:Notability (politics)#Politicians. Contributor008 ( talk) 15:57, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- Keep now that other editors have found sources. Mccapra ( talk) 06:37, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
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The result was speedy keep. Passes NPOL; closing as speedy per withdrawn nomination and refactored !votes. (non-admin closure) Goldsztajn ( talk) 11:22, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
Bouchaib Benlabsir
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This is complex. 1) Unclear whether being an MP is sufficient for notability and 2) complete inability to verify that he was indeed one. I can find nothing that isn't a wikipedia mirror in either English or French, even searching on the
original French text which was probably an obit. While he died in 1992, there should be something that verified his career. SPA creator hasn't been active in seven years, so no luck there.
Star
Mississippi 01:30, 10 October 2022 (UTC) Edit: parliamentary role has been verified now that we have an alternate transliteration. This can be considered nomination withdrawn.
Star
Mississippi
23:48, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People, Politicians, and Morocco. Star Mississippi 01:30, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
Soft delete (or delete for now) I was unable to find any verification that the subject served in the Parliament of Morocco. If a reliable source is found, this would be a keep per WP:NPOL. But NPOL requires verification of service in a national legislature (or a state/province-wide legislature). -- Enos733 ( talk) 04:55, 10 October 2022 (UTC)Keep per new sources found. Passes WP:NPOL. -- Enos733 ( talk) 23:43, 10 October 2022 (UTC)Soft deleteafter a bit of hunting around I found the Arabic spelling “ بوشعيب بن البصير” which I located because he has a street named after him in his home town of Settat. I guess he was a local notable on that basis but I can’t find anything about him at all. Mccapra ( talk) 06:44, 10 October 2022 (UTC)- Comment: What did you mean with point 1?
Curbon7 (
talk)
07:18, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- I may have misread it, but NPOL to me says being elected isn't enough if we don't have coverage. Given when he served (possibly 1972?) we're not looking for volumes of text. But something to verify his inauguration or what sessions he presided over would be helpful. If we could find the obit, that might even be helpful.
Star
Mississippi
14:20, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- For NPOL, we only need a source that verifies he served in a national or provincial legislature (latter only if it is a federal country). NPOL, along with
WP:NPROF and a couple others, work as an alternative to
WP:GNG; that is, we consider anyone who passes these guidelines to be ipso facto notable. So if we can verify he's an MP, that would be enough to pass.
Curbon7 (
talk)
17:20, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks for that clarification (and the transliteration consideration below). I was aware of it for academic/professors if they were well cited enough, but don't frequently edit political bios and hadn't realized it. Star Mississippi 17:24, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- For NPOL, we only need a source that verifies he served in a national or provincial legislature (latter only if it is a federal country). NPOL, along with
WP:NPROF and a couple others, work as an alternative to
WP:GNG; that is, we consider anyone who passes these guidelines to be ipso facto notable. So if we can verify he's an MP, that would be enough to pass.
Curbon7 (
talk)
17:20, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- I may have misread it, but NPOL to me says being elected isn't enough if we don't have coverage. Given when he served (possibly 1972?) we're not looking for volumes of text. But something to verify his inauguration or what sessions he presided over would be helpful. If we could find the obit, that might even be helpful.
Star
Mississippi
14:20, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- Comment: His name may be misspelled, as I found
this obit, which lists him under the name "Bouchaib Benlebsir".
Curbon7 (
talk)
17:21, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- There is some mention of him when I searched for him last name first (Benlabsir Bouchaib), but still no verification of being an MP, just bullitains that mention him (
[1]
[2]).However, there is a book on GBooks that may have some mention of him, as it keeps popping up when I search his name. I've put in a resource request at
WP:RX; if it turns out to be a nothingburger, then
soft delete. Curbon7 ( talk) 17:44, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- There is some mention of him when I searched for him last name first (Benlabsir Bouchaib), but still no verification of being an MP, just bullitains that mention him (
[1]
[2]).However, there is a book on GBooks that may have some mention of him, as it keeps popping up when I search his name. I've put in a resource request at
WP:RX; if it turns out to be a nothingburger, then
- Keep The source verifies that he was elected to the Parliament in 1977. I gutted the article of all the unsourced information.
Star Mississippi, I can email you the PDF of the book chapter if you want to verify.
Curbon7 (
talk)
23:20, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- No need, you're an established editor and there's no reason to doubt your sources. I won't close this as nom withdrawn as there are extant delete !votes but this is resolved. While AfD isn't and shouldn't be cleanup, sometimes it helps. Thanks for your research @ Curbon7 Star Mississippi 23:47, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- Keep: Mediterranean House of Human Sciences https://cinumed.mmsh.univ-aix.fr/collection/item/65526-documents-maroc says that he was member of Parliament (You can search by this term "Benlabsir Bouchaib") which means he is notable as of fourth line of Wikipedia:Notability (politics)#Politicians. Contributor008 ( talk) 15:57, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- Keep now that other editors have found sources. Mccapra ( talk) 06:37, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.