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Delete We clearly established that those who compete in the Olymics are not default notable, only medalist are. We lack any reliable sources to show that this person is notable.
John Pack Lambert (
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13:08, 21 January 2022 (UTC)reply
The notion that I am a "proxy" for JPL is absurd. I've historically disagreed with JPL far more often than not at AfD. Indeed, just last year, I took JPL to ANI over his AfD nominations. This contention is pure smoke and mirrors to avoid focusing on an AfD that is clearly meritorious.
Cbl62 (
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13:26, 21 January 2022 (UTC)reply
Nope. JPL posted about another one of your insupportable Olympic sub-stubs which led me to Krūkliņš which I independently reviewed and found to be sorely and completely lacking. ... Curious whether you have anything to say about the substance of the AfD.
Cbl62 (
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13:39, 21 January 2022 (UTC)reply
Are those sources reliable? the first one is substantial coverage, the second is not. 1 source does not amount to passing GNG, and that one source I am less than convinced is reliable.
John Pack Lambert (
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14:52, 21 January 2022 (UTC)reply
I won't opine to keep a subject without any significant results, but I could note that the second source Latvijas Enciklopēdija looks to be a concise encyclopedia, which explains its brevity.
Geschichte (
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21:33, 21 January 2022 (UTC)reply
Keep. I have expanded the article with added sources. He won multiple national championships, both in Latvia and in the USSR after it became a Soviet republic. Of the sources linked here by
Lugnuts, the first is a sports site, showing continuing coverage in independent sources outside databases, and the second is a Latvian encyclopedia entry reproduced at
lv:Ogres Centrālā bibliotēka (for some reason I can't see the archived version at Latvian Wikipedia, so I was glad to see that link that works for me). The Latvian Olympic Committee page on him (archived
here; since the link is broken for me at least, and in order to use it as a reference, I junked the Wikidata external links template) is also a reliable source for his career, not only for his one Olympics appearance, and I added a local history reference that has details on what happened at the Olympics: he was one of three Latvians competing, they had been advanced automatically to the final, and his disqualification during the race was a surprise and was not explained. Curiously, that source has a varying death date for him, and the encyclopedia entry has a varying birth date; all other sources agree, so I merely left hidden notes in those references. I also left a hidden note on the 1941 occupation; depending on the date of his win, it could have been either the Soviet Union or Nazi Germany.
Yngvadottir (
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03:20, 22 January 2022 (UTC)reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
Delete We clearly established that those who compete in the Olymics are not default notable, only medalist are. We lack any reliable sources to show that this person is notable.
John Pack Lambert (
talk)
13:08, 21 January 2022 (UTC)reply
The notion that I am a "proxy" for JPL is absurd. I've historically disagreed with JPL far more often than not at AfD. Indeed, just last year, I took JPL to ANI over his AfD nominations. This contention is pure smoke and mirrors to avoid focusing on an AfD that is clearly meritorious.
Cbl62 (
talk)
13:26, 21 January 2022 (UTC)reply
Nope. JPL posted about another one of your insupportable Olympic sub-stubs which led me to Krūkliņš which I independently reviewed and found to be sorely and completely lacking. ... Curious whether you have anything to say about the substance of the AfD.
Cbl62 (
talk)
13:39, 21 January 2022 (UTC)reply
Are those sources reliable? the first one is substantial coverage, the second is not. 1 source does not amount to passing GNG, and that one source I am less than convinced is reliable.
John Pack Lambert (
talk)
14:52, 21 January 2022 (UTC)reply
I won't opine to keep a subject without any significant results, but I could note that the second source Latvijas Enciklopēdija looks to be a concise encyclopedia, which explains its brevity.
Geschichte (
talk)
21:33, 21 January 2022 (UTC)reply
Keep. I have expanded the article with added sources. He won multiple national championships, both in Latvia and in the USSR after it became a Soviet republic. Of the sources linked here by
Lugnuts, the first is a sports site, showing continuing coverage in independent sources outside databases, and the second is a Latvian encyclopedia entry reproduced at
lv:Ogres Centrālā bibliotēka (for some reason I can't see the archived version at Latvian Wikipedia, so I was glad to see that link that works for me). The Latvian Olympic Committee page on him (archived
here; since the link is broken for me at least, and in order to use it as a reference, I junked the Wikidata external links template) is also a reliable source for his career, not only for his one Olympics appearance, and I added a local history reference that has details on what happened at the Olympics: he was one of three Latvians competing, they had been advanced automatically to the final, and his disqualification during the race was a surprise and was not explained. Curiously, that source has a varying death date for him, and the encyclopedia entry has a varying birth date; all other sources agree, so I merely left hidden notes in those references. I also left a hidden note on the 1941 occupation; depending on the date of his win, it could have been either the Soviet Union or Nazi Germany.
Yngvadottir (
talk)
03:20, 22 January 2022 (UTC)reply
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