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The result was delete. Star Mississippi 17:48, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
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Mass-created article by Kotbot, a bot operated by Kotniski, now retired.
The name of this article means literally "Łuknajno-Forester's lodge", and the location given in the article is a house, surrounded by nothing but forest for miles in every direction. The subject of the article is therefore an individual building, and as such falls under WP:NBUILDING, not WP:GEOLAND. There is no entry for this place in the Polish 2015 regulation on place-names, only for Łuknajno, Warmian-Masurian Voivodeship, which we already have an article on and the location for which is essentially identical. Whilst the article for Łuknajno is not in a good state, looking at the corresponding Polish language article for Łuknajno, and at our article for Łuknajno Lake, it looks like a meaningful article could be developed covering the lake and the manor-house, probably at Łuknajno, which presently redirects to the lake.
Until there's a meaningful article at Łuknajno I don't see the point in redirecting there as it would be a double-redirect at present. EDIT: I've WP:BOLDly merged the content at Łuknajno Lake and Łuknajno, Warmian-Masurian Voivodeship to Łuknajno, and added the history content from the PL wiki page, so I'm OK with a redirect to Łuknajno as an ATD.
TL;DR - This is essentially a WP:V fail as stands, and can never meaningfully pass WP:GEOLAND since it lacks legal recognition. FOARP ( talk) 12:36, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Geography and Poland. FOARP ( talk) 12:36, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
- Delete. For this one I cannot confirm it exists, not to mention that it has any GNG. No pl wiki interwiki. Some failed OR? --
Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus|
reply here
09:16, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
- @
Piotrus - My guess is that here is where the state forestry office used to be (or still is?) and so that's why it got listed as a locality. However, these are also being removed from TERYT sometimes so we are left with no way of verifying it. This is the main problem with TERYT - lots of communist-era government stuff, that weren't actually towns/villages/hamlets, was put on to the register, and in some (not all) cases has been removed.
FOARP (
talk)
13:46, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
- @
FOARP Interesting. How do you know stuff is being removed from TERYT?
Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus|
reply here
01:10, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
- I’ve seen SIMC ID numbers cited that can’t be found on TERYT, and I don’t think these were made up. The most obvious explanation is these numbers used to be in TERYT but we’re then removed. I wouldn’t take a former listing in TERYT as evidence of legal recognition - it’s just a database, and the former listing could have been an error that was later corrected.
FOARP (
talk)
07:25, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
- E.g., see Pieniężno Drugie -the PL Wiki page has a SIMC ID no. of 0155100 listed for this place, but that doesn't give a result on TERYT. The PL Wiki page anyway explains that this isn't an official settlement, so I wouldn't expect to find a listing on TERYT, but then where did the number come from? Likely it was an error on TERYT that has since been corrected, or the status changed, or something else - the site itself is just some kind of industrial facility so maybe there was some communist-era facility there that was listed on TERYT and then deleted - not possible to say. FOARP ( talk) 08:46, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
- I’ve seen SIMC ID numbers cited that can’t be found on TERYT, and I don’t think these were made up. The most obvious explanation is these numbers used to be in TERYT but we’re then removed. I wouldn’t take a former listing in TERYT as evidence of legal recognition - it’s just a database, and the former listing could have been an error that was later corrected.
FOARP (
talk)
07:25, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
- @
FOARP Interesting. How do you know stuff is being removed from TERYT?
Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus|
reply here
01:10, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
- @
Piotrus - My guess is that here is where the state forestry office used to be (or still is?) and so that's why it got listed as a locality. However, these are also being removed from TERYT sometimes so we are left with no way of verifying it. This is the main problem with TERYT - lots of communist-era government stuff, that weren't actually towns/villages/hamlets, was put on to the register, and in some (not all) cases has been removed.
FOARP (
talk)
13:46, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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The result was delete. Star Mississippi 17:48, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
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Mass-created article by Kotbot, a bot operated by Kotniski, now retired.
The name of this article means literally "Łuknajno-Forester's lodge", and the location given in the article is a house, surrounded by nothing but forest for miles in every direction. The subject of the article is therefore an individual building, and as such falls under WP:NBUILDING, not WP:GEOLAND. There is no entry for this place in the Polish 2015 regulation on place-names, only for Łuknajno, Warmian-Masurian Voivodeship, which we already have an article on and the location for which is essentially identical. Whilst the article for Łuknajno is not in a good state, looking at the corresponding Polish language article for Łuknajno, and at our article for Łuknajno Lake, it looks like a meaningful article could be developed covering the lake and the manor-house, probably at Łuknajno, which presently redirects to the lake.
Until there's a meaningful article at Łuknajno I don't see the point in redirecting there as it would be a double-redirect at present. EDIT: I've WP:BOLDly merged the content at Łuknajno Lake and Łuknajno, Warmian-Masurian Voivodeship to Łuknajno, and added the history content from the PL wiki page, so I'm OK with a redirect to Łuknajno as an ATD.
TL;DR - This is essentially a WP:V fail as stands, and can never meaningfully pass WP:GEOLAND since it lacks legal recognition. FOARP ( talk) 12:36, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Geography and Poland. FOARP ( talk) 12:36, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
- Delete. For this one I cannot confirm it exists, not to mention that it has any GNG. No pl wiki interwiki. Some failed OR? --
Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus|
reply here
09:16, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
- @
Piotrus - My guess is that here is where the state forestry office used to be (or still is?) and so that's why it got listed as a locality. However, these are also being removed from TERYT sometimes so we are left with no way of verifying it. This is the main problem with TERYT - lots of communist-era government stuff, that weren't actually towns/villages/hamlets, was put on to the register, and in some (not all) cases has been removed.
FOARP (
talk)
13:46, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
- @
FOARP Interesting. How do you know stuff is being removed from TERYT?
Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus|
reply here
01:10, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
- I’ve seen SIMC ID numbers cited that can’t be found on TERYT, and I don’t think these were made up. The most obvious explanation is these numbers used to be in TERYT but we’re then removed. I wouldn’t take a former listing in TERYT as evidence of legal recognition - it’s just a database, and the former listing could have been an error that was later corrected.
FOARP (
talk)
07:25, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
- E.g., see Pieniężno Drugie -the PL Wiki page has a SIMC ID no. of 0155100 listed for this place, but that doesn't give a result on TERYT. The PL Wiki page anyway explains that this isn't an official settlement, so I wouldn't expect to find a listing on TERYT, but then where did the number come from? Likely it was an error on TERYT that has since been corrected, or the status changed, or something else - the site itself is just some kind of industrial facility so maybe there was some communist-era facility there that was listed on TERYT and then deleted - not possible to say. FOARP ( talk) 08:46, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
- I’ve seen SIMC ID numbers cited that can’t be found on TERYT, and I don’t think these were made up. The most obvious explanation is these numbers used to be in TERYT but we’re then removed. I wouldn’t take a former listing in TERYT as evidence of legal recognition - it’s just a database, and the former listing could have been an error that was later corrected.
FOARP (
talk)
07:25, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
- @
FOARP Interesting. How do you know stuff is being removed from TERYT?
Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus|
reply here
01:10, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
- @
Piotrus - My guess is that here is where the state forestry office used to be (or still is?) and so that's why it got listed as a locality. However, these are also being removed from TERYT sometimes so we are left with no way of verifying it. This is the main problem with TERYT - lots of communist-era government stuff, that weren't actually towns/villages/hamlets, was put on to the register, and in some (not all) cases has been removed.
FOARP (
talk)
13:46, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.