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The result was merge to Ławki, Giżycko County. Liz Read! Talk! 20:15, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
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People familiar with Poland and the Polish language will recognise that "PGR" is the initials for Państwowe Gospodarstwo Rolne, or state agricultural farm. This is therefore just a farm. There is no listing for Ławki PGR in the sources.
The location is just across the lake from the village of Ławki, Giżycko County that this is obviously just part of. I don't think redirecting Ławki PGR to Ławki makes much sense, not least because Ławki literally means "benches", but it's still better than keeping this article around - however, I prefer straight-forward deletion.
This article was mass-created by the bot Kotbot, operated by retired user Kotniski. In excess of 40,000 other articles were created in the same way. FOARP ( talk) 16:27, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Geography and Poland. FOARP ( talk) 16:27, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
- There are two places with the name Ławki (wieś and osada) and one called Ławki Małe (przysiółek wsi) which is part of Ławki (wieś). The Polish article was moved to "Ławki (osada)" but I think this is different, it seems to be in the same area as Ławki Małe, probably part of it.
Peter James (
talk)
22:53, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
- You mean there’s one place called Ławki, but TERYT divides it up into a couple of different units. This is something that happens across Poland, you even see listings for “[Place name] A” and “[Place name] B” when in reality there is only one community called “[Place name]”.
- At any rate, there is no place called Ławki PGR in any of the sources. FOARP ( talk) 06:37, 15 October 2023 (UTC)
- Delete No evidence that this is an recognised settlement; a map search finds it near Ławki Małe but that's just an unofficial hamlet in the village of Ławki. The other Ławki (osada) seems to be a manor house and estate with a few buildings on the heritage register; it's unclear whether this was once the state agricultural farm. Peter James ( talk) 11:17, 15 October 2023 (UTC)
- Weak keep or merge and redirect to
Ławki, Giżycko County. It does have a
pl:osada (hamlet) status in
TERYT. That said, realistically, this was just a
PGR (state farm) located near the village. Through some administrative accident it got a separate TERYT entry, but it's likely a
WP:NOPAGE case. The village article should mention there was such a PGR nearby, maybe give coordinates and mention it has its own TERYT number - and that's realistically all the info that is out there and that can ever be here... --
Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus|
reply here
10:22, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
- @
Piotrus - I don't think the TERYT database can support a claim that Ławki had a state farm? I assume you're referring to the osada listed at Ławki (search SIMC ID no. 0767658
here) - but this is called "Ławki", not "Ławki PGR". I don't doubt there was a PGR at this site, but no source actually says that.
FOARP (
talk)
15:29, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
- @
FOARP True.
Here is a reliable source that confirms such an entity existed (1969 so no wiki error repetition chance).
Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus|
reply here
01:09, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
- Perfectly happy to mention that at the main page for Ławki. FOARP ( talk) 18:00, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
- @
FOARP True.
Here is a reliable source that confirms such an entity existed (1969 so no wiki error repetition chance).
Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus|
reply here
01:09, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
- @
Piotrus - I don't think the TERYT database can support a claim that Ławki had a state farm? I assume you're referring to the osada listed at Ławki (search SIMC ID no. 0767658
here) - but this is called "Ławki", not "Ławki PGR". I don't doubt there was a PGR at this site, but no source actually says that.
FOARP (
talk)
15:29, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Unlike the others, this one appears to need more discussion
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Star Mississippi 17:53, 21 October 2023 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, RL0919 ( talk) 23:25, 28 October 2023 (UTC)
- @
Piotrus: - The article for Ławki now states that it had a PGR using the source (which appears to have been someone's memoirs), OK with a redirect?
FOARP (
talk)
11:38, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
- I did say I am ok with anything that is not deletion, I guess... @ Stok if you care to comment. I have hard time imagining most PGRs are notable in the realistic sense of that concept. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 11:49, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
Merge to Ławki, Giżycko County as an AtD per Piotrus cmts above. // Timothy :: talk 01:08, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was merge to Ławki, Giżycko County. Liz Read! Talk! 20:15, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
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- Ławki PGR ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log | edits since nomination)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
People familiar with Poland and the Polish language will recognise that "PGR" is the initials for Państwowe Gospodarstwo Rolne, or state agricultural farm. This is therefore just a farm. There is no listing for Ławki PGR in the sources.
The location is just across the lake from the village of Ławki, Giżycko County that this is obviously just part of. I don't think redirecting Ławki PGR to Ławki makes much sense, not least because Ławki literally means "benches", but it's still better than keeping this article around - however, I prefer straight-forward deletion.
This article was mass-created by the bot Kotbot, operated by retired user Kotniski. In excess of 40,000 other articles were created in the same way. FOARP ( talk) 16:27, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Geography and Poland. FOARP ( talk) 16:27, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
- There are two places with the name Ławki (wieś and osada) and one called Ławki Małe (przysiółek wsi) which is part of Ławki (wieś). The Polish article was moved to "Ławki (osada)" but I think this is different, it seems to be in the same area as Ławki Małe, probably part of it.
Peter James (
talk)
22:53, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
- You mean there’s one place called Ławki, but TERYT divides it up into a couple of different units. This is something that happens across Poland, you even see listings for “[Place name] A” and “[Place name] B” when in reality there is only one community called “[Place name]”.
- At any rate, there is no place called Ławki PGR in any of the sources. FOARP ( talk) 06:37, 15 October 2023 (UTC)
- Delete No evidence that this is an recognised settlement; a map search finds it near Ławki Małe but that's just an unofficial hamlet in the village of Ławki. The other Ławki (osada) seems to be a manor house and estate with a few buildings on the heritage register; it's unclear whether this was once the state agricultural farm. Peter James ( talk) 11:17, 15 October 2023 (UTC)
- Weak keep or merge and redirect to
Ławki, Giżycko County. It does have a
pl:osada (hamlet) status in
TERYT. That said, realistically, this was just a
PGR (state farm) located near the village. Through some administrative accident it got a separate TERYT entry, but it's likely a
WP:NOPAGE case. The village article should mention there was such a PGR nearby, maybe give coordinates and mention it has its own TERYT number - and that's realistically all the info that is out there and that can ever be here... --
Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus|
reply here
10:22, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
- @
Piotrus - I don't think the TERYT database can support a claim that Ławki had a state farm? I assume you're referring to the osada listed at Ławki (search SIMC ID no. 0767658
here) - but this is called "Ławki", not "Ławki PGR". I don't doubt there was a PGR at this site, but no source actually says that.
FOARP (
talk)
15:29, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
- @
FOARP True.
Here is a reliable source that confirms such an entity existed (1969 so no wiki error repetition chance).
Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus|
reply here
01:09, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
- Perfectly happy to mention that at the main page for Ławki. FOARP ( talk) 18:00, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
- @
FOARP True.
Here is a reliable source that confirms such an entity existed (1969 so no wiki error repetition chance).
Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus|
reply here
01:09, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
- @
Piotrus - I don't think the TERYT database can support a claim that Ławki had a state farm? I assume you're referring to the osada listed at Ławki (search SIMC ID no. 0767658
here) - but this is called "Ławki", not "Ławki PGR". I don't doubt there was a PGR at this site, but no source actually says that.
FOARP (
talk)
15:29, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Unlike the others, this one appears to need more discussion
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Star Mississippi 17:53, 21 October 2023 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, RL0919 ( talk) 23:25, 28 October 2023 (UTC)
- @
Piotrus: - The article for Ławki now states that it had a PGR using the source (which appears to have been someone's memoirs), OK with a redirect?
FOARP (
talk)
11:38, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
- I did say I am ok with anything that is not deletion, I guess... @ Stok if you care to comment. I have hard time imagining most PGRs are notable in the realistic sense of that concept. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 11:49, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
Merge to Ławki, Giżycko County as an AtD per Piotrus cmts above. // Timothy :: talk 01:08, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.