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Thanks for making updates to Portal:Latvia! I really hope that it can be made into a good portal and that the Latvia-related articles could also be better featured. Solver 13:48, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
It belongs to wikisource because it is not an article. Other than that, good job on merging the occupation articles. Renata 06:23, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
I have read the article, not the talk page (way too long :D). Here are my comments: the first two sections are quite vague. Sometimes I could not really understand what you are trying to say. Also, it would benefit enormously if you could add footnotes. For example, about Old Believers that they did not get involved. Where is that from? And many other generalisations. It is a big contrast to the POV marked sections were there are many facts and numbers. Also, the end favors Latvia's government (it looks like that to me). The article also needs a proper lead :) I hope it helps, Renata 19:23, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
Great comment on the claim that there was no occupation on the talk page to Latvia - many thanks! I was just wondering .. could you copy-paste the comment to the same claim that has been made on the talk page of the article on Estonia, or, if that's too much of a bother, let me quote you there? I can't think of better words to explain the situation with, but don't want to "plagiarise" you without asking you either.
Thanks!
ChiLlBeserker 00:59, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
Hello! This message is in regard to Wikipedia:Requests for mediation/Transnistrian referendum, 2006. I'll be happy to help all of you out here, but first I've left an important message on that mediation page which requires your response. I would also appreciate it if you could watchlist that page so that we may facilitate discussion and communication. I look forward to working with you! Flcelloguy ( A note?) 00:46, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
Hey, I thought maybe you would like to know that in 1988 Juris Podnieks and his crew stayed in our house while they were shooting footage in Armenia. I was only 11 then but I remember them singing Latvian patriotic songs. His tragic passing deeply moved us all.-- Eupator 21:47, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
Hi Pēters. I responded on the Talk:Riga page -- Siobhan Hansa 01:38, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
Hi Vecrumba. As you are Latvian I suppose you speak Russian. Please join our discussion in Talk:Transnistria, where we are debating some Russian language sources, and give your input.-- MariusM 14:39, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
Vecrumba, like I said in the Talk page of History of Transnistria, to avoid content forking this is where we should deal with the historical issues (besides that fact that Kievan Rus is not even mentioned in the main Transnistria page itself, currently). Then we will move a summary of that article into main Transnistria when done. I notice that we already have an ongoing thread there, and active. If you want to repost some of the other arguments from main Transnistria's Talk, please do so. I really appreciate the discussion and your input. - Mauco 13:58, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
This article created by Polish editors would certainly benefit from contributions by Latvian ones. Until just a few days ago it was not even linked from Daugavpils. Perhaps you could add some sources and expand it?-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk 18:08, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
Hi, Thank you very much for your interest in the issues related to Moldova and Romania. If you have continued interest in them, please feel free to join [1] It is not a very active group of users, but at least you can find on this page links to articles/issues ralating to M+R. In the Talk: Transnistria you have commented on Mark Almond's writtings. The article Transnistria is now in a point-by-point revision, and the first issue at hand is the credibility of different sourses. It came up the issue of scholarly work of Mark Almond, i.e. his books and articles, not through BHHRG. Do you know anything about this. I could not find any good links. Thank you.: Dc76 23:35, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
Regarding your studies, I would be very interested in any research on the influence Soviet propaganda continues to exert in the post-Soviet era.
I should mention my father was a renowned mushroomer--though my talents are less developed, and I'm a board member of the Latvian National Opera Guild. Perhaps we'll have a chance to "meet" somewhere less Wiki-contentious than
Talk:Transnistria. Best regards,
Pēters J. Vecrumba 17:02, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for trying on Talk:Jogaila.
This is not a straight Polish-Lithuanian squabble; in fact, we have a very small Lithuanian contingent. If that were what was happening, it would have been solved long ago: there would have been a WP:RM motion, both sides would have made their case, their !votes would have cancelled, and the neutrals would have decided one way or the other.
Instead, there is a medium-sized Polish block, and beyond that there are a large number of editors with separate interests of their own. Calgacus is interested in authentic contemporary usage; I am principally interested in getting a title recognizable to an English readership in this English Wikipedia, with the least surprise possible (as the naming conventions say).
For my purposes, the practice of a just-published standard history is almost irrelevant. It very well may determine usage in fifty years time; if so, we can move the article; I'm interested in what English-speakers use and expect now.
Regards, Septentrionalis 03:30, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
Hi. I observed that you are a Latvian (hopefully I have not understood wrongly :) Do you speak Estonian, by the way? or understand Livonian? or Izhorian? or Veps?
Could you take a look at article
Lieven and provide Latvian names (at least all "christian" names: Lieven, Reinhold, Hans-Heinrich, Johann-Christoph, Otto Heinrich Andreas, Charlotte, Mezotne, Turaida, Christoph Heinrich, Dorothea, Carl Christoph, Alexander, Pavlovich (Paul's son), Karlovich (Charles' son), Andreas, Anatoli, Paul) of all the (Lieven) persons there mentioned, as well as others who you think have had sufficient connection with Latvia. I am certain that all Lievens were so much in Latvia (either as landowners there or in some other role) that people there (at least sometimes) used Latvian first names of them, not only German or Russian or whatever. Then, do you know (or are sources available to you revealing) whetger "Lieven" itself had any Latvian version (translation and/or used name version) - and what is it?
Additionally, if you have time and interest, could you check whether you can add anything to the article.
(By the way, what is the formation of genitive inLatvian; how do you write "castellan of Turaida", for example; or "owner of Mezotne") I would be very happy if you can provide those abovelisted first names etc in authentic Latvian.
Shilkanni 09:40, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
Did you get my email about this flag? Well, since we are not an government organ of the PMR, it is up to us to decide on what flag we use on Wikipedia. Too bad the website of the PMR President is down, so I cannot see if any major changes have been done. I do not know anyone in the region I could ask, but I do think the plain red/green/red flag is used more often, if not for propoganda uses, but for ease of cost. It is easier to make a plain flag than to silk-screen symbols on it. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 02:54, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
(Continued here) ... In fact, I have an even better example: Crimea. Like Transnistria,
Unlike Transnistria,
And yet, despite all this, the existing tensions never escalated to a military conflict. Both sides gave away some ground and Crimea is now an Ukrainian autonomy. It's not a model part of Ukraine, true, but, thankfully, not a secessionist unrecognized state either.
So, my point is, if there really was/is an evil Russian plot to strangle the nascent democratic countries by illegally extending its imperialistic and oppessive rule to integral parts of their territory, then Crimea should've been first to face it.
This passage of mine is not directly related to the discussion of the Transnistria page, so I'm posting it here instead. Feel free to reply to in anytime you want. More rants to follow, if you permit it. :-) -- Illythr 09:53, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
P.S. Certainly more constructive to debate this way in any event than fill up Transnistrian talk with discussion of parallels.
P.P.S. Casual look on energy found this: http://eng.maidanua.org/node/642 — Pēters J. Vecrumba 16:42, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
(Also continued here as to avoid cluttering the already bloated Transnistia page) My comment about Mark losing whatever bonus he would get if he turned Wikipedia into propaganda was far kinder than the personal criticism which he leveled here that I and others are causing the deaths of Transnistrian children--comments which everyone was perfectly content to leave in place. I rather take that to be a double standard.
Hi Peters, this was archived shortly after I wrote it, so I'm pasting it here to be sure you notice:
I also read the quote you provided under the heading "human rights" (a link would have been nice, I couldn't find it). Based on that and the link above—among other things—I'm more or less convinced that the problem is not the actual legal code. Also, regarding the quote you did provide, it is awfully vague, isn't it? He "labeled" questionings "treason" and he "cracked down on debate," but what does that mean exactly? Were there any specific examples? jamason 16:16, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
Hey, Peters, you've got to see this! If you had had any doubts about me being a hardcore Stalinist, diligently working for KGB to hide the Truth, spread foul propaganda and eat little (insert your favorite nation here) children, well, doubt no more! Here (and below) is all the proof you need!
On a somewhat more serious note, please, do take a look. That guy really does "refute post-Soviet Stalinist propaganda", and he's probably serious about it. I think that a "look from the other side" will do you good. -- Illythr 19:48, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
One last thing: Latvia's future has nothing to do with ethnic boundaries: Please read
this. The first two sentences. It is the most eloquent way to say "(non-violent (?)) ethnic cleansing" without hurting sensitive ears I've ever heard. --
Illythr 18:47, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
First, Happy New Year!
I've noticed your interest in Transnistria, and maybe you would like to vote in the survey on the inclusion in
Tiraspol article of the images with the Soviet tank monument in Tiraspol and Transnistrian Government building in Tiraspol with statue of Lenin in front. The survey is
here. Thank you,
Dl.goe
I hereby notify you, that I started the arbitration case: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration#Occupation_of_Latvia_1940-1945. Constanz - Talk 10:34, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
Hello,
An Arbitration case involving you has been opened: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Occupation of Latvia. Please add any evidence you may wish the arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Occupation of Latvia/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Occupation of Latvia/Workshop.
On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, Thatcher131 01:22, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
Hi, Pēter, I am under impresion that you might know something more in depht about history of Latvia during the soviet era. User:Biruitorul has asked me to check these sections Collectivisation_in_the_USSR#Latvia and Forest_Brothers#In_Latvia, and expand History_of_Latvia#Soviet_period accordingly. I checked them with history textbook, however it seems that some dates might be wrong and place names in Forest brother article were obviously incorrect. So, I was wondering if you could take a glance at them ? Paldies jau iepriekš -- Xil/ talk 08:13, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
Here it says [3] that you want to remove the word official that is part of your transnistria compromise introduction, but I have read everything that you said about it, on that page, and I think maybe 3 times or 4 times, and my conclusion is that you are neutral, you dont care if it stays or if it is removed, is that correct? then you need to please come to Talk:Transnistria and say that this is correct that you are neutral, if not, then say that you are not, there is confusing and i have been accused of being a liar ("plain falacies" and "difficult to assume good faith") but I am honestly in belief that you are neutral from what I have read 4 times Pernambuco 16:10, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
Likewise, but I think there's something wrong with your userpage...-- Illythr 01:20, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
On the WikiProject Countries talk page, you had either explictly declared a general interest in the project, or had participated at a discussion that appears related to
Location Maps for European countries.
New maps had been created by David Liuzzo, and are available for the countries of the European continent, and for countries of the European Union exist in two versions. From
November 16,
2006 till
January 31,
2007, a poll had tried to find a consensus for usage of 'old' or of which and where 'new' version maps. At its closing, 25 people had spoken in favor of either of the two presented usages of new versions but neither version had reached a consensus (12 and 13), and 18 had preferred old maps.
As this outcome cannot justify reverting of new maps that had become used for some countries, seconds before
February 5,
2007 a survey started that will be closed at
February 20,
2007 23:59:59. It should establish whether the new style maps may be applied as soon as some might become available for countries outside the European continent (or such to depend on future discussions), and also which new version should be applied for which countries.
Please note that since
January 1,
2007 all new maps became updated by David Liuzzo (including a world locator, enlarged cut-out for small countries) and as of
February 4,
2007 the restricted licence that had jeopardized their availability on Wikimedia Commons, became more free. The subsections on the talk page that had shown David Liuzzo's original maps, now show his most recent design.
Please read the
discussion (also in other sections
α,
β,
γ,
δ,
ε,
ζ,
η,
θ) and in particular the arguments offered by the forementioned poll, while realizing some comments to have been made prior to updating the maps, and all prior to modifying the licences, before carefully reading the
presentation of the currently open survey. You are invited to only then finally make up your mind and vote for only one option.
There mustnot be 'oppose' votes; if none of the options would be appreciated, you could vote for the option you might with some effort find least difficult to live with - rather like elections only allowing to vote for one of several candidates. Obviously, you are most welcome to leave a brief argumentation with your vote. Kind regards. —
SomeHuman
7 Feb
2007 20:43 (UTC)
As stated on the top of every ArbCom evidence page, it is forbidden to edit other users' sections. If you disagree with some evidence, make your own subsection, or comment on talk. There should be no threaded discussions on the page. -- Grafikm (AutoGRAF) 09:33, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
I came here to give you a suggestion for a change of activity instead of trying to win the content dispute through Wikilawyering at ArbCom's page by pressing for sanctions against your content opponents, WP:Canvassing for "additional help" in doing so, and even following me to a totally unrelated article to check up on whether I did anything discrediting there.
Here is the suggestion for you to do something more productive. In the course of de-redlinking Taras Shevchenko, I created a short article about Janis Tilbergs, the author of the first monument ever unveiled to this distinguished compatriot of myself. I would have written more about this great Latvian artist, but I found a rather short supply of sources in the languages that are familiar to me. Therefore, I thought I bring this up to you in case you are interested in expanding it as you state at your page that you are interested in anything Latvian. Despite there is a shortage of sources in English, Russian or Ukrainian, there must be some info in Latvian, I am sure.
While at it, you may want to do something about the fact that certain very notable links, that even "Russian propaganda POV pushers" are aware of, are still red, eg. the Latvian Academy of Arts and Eduards Smilgis. You may also do something about Rainis being a pity stub. Happy edits, -- Irpen 05:28, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
This arbitration case has closed and the final decision is available at the link above. The parties identified in the decision as having acted poorly in the dispute regarding Occupation of Latvia 1940-1945 are admonished to avoid such behavior in the future. That article is placed on probation, and any editor may be banned from it, or from other reasonably related pages, by an uninvolved administrator for disruptive edits, including, but not limited to, edit warring, inciviilty, and original research. The Arbitration Committee reserves the right to appoint one or more mentors at any time, and the right to review the situation in one year, if appropriate. The parties are strongly encouraged to enter into a mediation arrangement regarding any article-content issues that may still be outstanding. If the article is not substantially improved by continued editing, the Arbitration Committee may impose editing restrictions on users whose editing is counterproductive or disruptive. This notice is given by a Clerk on behalf of the Arbitration Committee. Newyorkbrad 23:33, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
Thank you for your comment. Can you please consider the following argument. Occupation is by definition can only be of a foreign territory. If a territory already annexed, it can not be called "occupation". For example, Israel ocupies Gaza. If it declares annexation of the territory, it at the moment discontinues to be occupation. No country can "occupy" its own territory.-- Dojarca 07:56, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
Greetings. On the above page there is a lengthy debate going on, and there is much discussion about the Baltics. We would appreciate your opinion, as well as more informed commentary on the Baltic issue. Thank you. Biruitorul 20:50, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
I'm sorry for jumping in at this off-placed discussion. I do have to correct a misinterpretation.
Thanks for pointing out the issue of transliterating Latin to Cyrillic. We should create guidelines on Wikipedia against this practice. I coined the term double transliteration (and the redirect) to discribe this. This could be expanded into an article or section. -- Petri Krohn 22:26, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
There is a discussion on the talk page there on whether to call the killing by NKVD border guards of dozens (perhaps hundreds) of unarmed villagers trying to cross from the Soviet Union into Romania on April 1, 1941 a "massacre" or an "incident". Pretty much everyone agrees it was a massacre (which is what it is called in the quoted references), except one person, who says the killings were perfectly justified, so no massacre, just an incident. If you have some time and interest in this matter, please do take a look and give your opinion. I'm especially interested in hearing your view on the legal aspects -- you seem to have quite a bit of expertise on that. Turgidson 22:01, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
Say, let's consider a situation where the Russian army (still, which one of them were you referring to there?) magically disappears. What should be the next step? -- Illythr 00:17, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
The PMR is such a mess, I'll have to think about it. — Pēters J. Vecrumba 01:39, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
Hi, Pēters. One more question, on a different subject. A bunch of us have been working recently on the article on these joint Soviet-Romanian companies from the 1940s-1950s (related to the Soviet occupation of Romania article). We came about some difficulties evaluating the numerical output of one of these companies, Sovromcuarţ, which used to produce uranium ore that would go straight to a processing plant in Sillamäe. In particular, I noticed a non-negligible discrepancy between available sources on what the total amount of exported ore was (see the talk page for SovRoms for details). Maybe you have access to sources that could help resolve this discrepancy? Also, by the way, it would seem useful to expand the article on Sillamäe while at it (there has been some recent expansion as a result of all this, but maybe more is possible). Turgidson 19:32, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
Hi, I gave a warning here saying "Discuss article content, not other editors." This comment is totally unacceptable. If I see anything like that again, you will be blocked. Khoi khoi 02:08, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
You can take anything anywhere you want. Wanna links to pages where you can voice your grievances? You may not like the feedback you will get there though. -- Irpen 04:26, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
Now, here is a question. You were fighting the cold war battles so fiercely lately that I am afraid you forgot about my earlier suggestions. How is the merge of two Tilbergs' articles going? Anything? Nothing? Any chance for us to see the Latvian Academy of Arts, Eduards Smilgis? I guess you are too busy lately for these. Should I start a couple more Latvian articles for you since you are busy fending off the great Russian imperialism all over Wiki, like I have already done? I will gladly do that if it would stimulate you to productive activity. -- Irpen 04:26, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
Peteris Cedrins, I appreciate your suggestions on what you advise me to do. You may want to check my contributions, though, to see that I keep creating new articles in various topics and adding to the existing ones rather than as you claim "butting into controversies throughout the periphery of the former Russo-Soviet empire". In the spirit of this, I have created the article on the prominent Latvian artist and asked Vecrumba to help develop it. In response Vecrumba created a rival article on the same subject for an unknown to me reason and ignored my suggestion to merge them. With so many gaps on the coverage of his beloved Latvia all over wikispace I would expect the contributor who claims to be so committed to anything Latvian to have at least some interest in filling those gaps. Seeing him spending so much time flaming fellow editors in the talk page of most every article about any country touched by the evil empire, I thought I bring up my older idea to him one more time. You are right that Wikipedians chose which articles they wish to work on. As such, Vecrumba may choose to ignore my suggestion. It will then be left to others to fill the gaps. I started to collect the material for the Smilgis article and will write it myself. I hope then Vecrumba or you will be interested in at least developing it. -- Irpen 22:35, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
I will try to respond to several of the points you are making above. First, about your being busy. Please do not waste yours or other people's time on explaining how busy you are. I have yet to meet a single person who does not consider oneself "extremely busy". We are all very busy off-wiki. I truly sympathize with your RL problems and hope you solve them all and live happily ever after.
Regarding the Fantana Alba, the article was tagged when several editors taking turns (in order to outrevert) were persistently removing a sourced statement. I still do not understand why. This was done half a dozen times and this is the "according to..." type of statement you claim to support. Only then the article was tagged as this would have forced the discussion instead of a silly revert war.
Finally, Russians (I am not) would probably appreciate your concern about them. However, they will probably be able to take care about their things without your help. Maybe you forgot, but it was Russians (to be exact the Muscovites) who brought up the end of the Soviet Union by standing up courageously against the revanchist August Coup. This action of those heroes (who in your opinion need your help to better understand the concept of democracy and freedom), brought about the end of the USSR that made possible the emergence of the independent Latvia. I understand it may less pleasing and patriotically fulfilling to admit that and instead claim that Latvia became independent due to some of its diaspora comfortably living in UK and US going around the world with their claims of being the "vessel of Latvian sovereignty" (or what was that term?). -- Irpen 22:35, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
A request for mediation has been filed with the Mediation Committee that lists you as a party. The Mediation Committee requires that all parties listed in a mediation must be notified of the mediation. Please review the request at Wikipedia:Requests for mediation/Soviet occupation of Romania, and indicate whether you agree or refuse to mediate. If you are unfamiliar with mediation, please refer to Wikipedia:Mediation. There are only seven days for everyone to agree, so please check as soon as possible.
Hi, Pēters. I think you would like to take a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Russian_sentiment. Thanks. 80.235.53.82 17:25, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
Filed. Please confirm awareness. -- Biruitorul 16:21, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
Hello - thought I'd let you know that case for mediation on Occupation of Baltic States is now open: Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2007-04-29 Occupation of Baltic_states. As you have contributed to the article in question and have discussed the topic before, I thought you might be interested in leaving your comments there as well. DLX 05:55, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
In the mediation, you have posted this question:
Let's take your example: what is the basis for Russian Minister of Defense, Sergey Ivanov, declaring: "You can not occupy something that belongs to you."?
I am interested in the original source for this declaration, for the article of Soviet occupation denialism, as an example of fresh political belief of Baltic states having belonged to Russia. Apparently, your translation is not a common one, though, as the only reference Google can find is this very Mediation Cabal article on Wikipedia. Can you, please, provide me with an original source? Digwuren 12:58, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
Hi, Vecrumba, I just read your statement on the Transnistria ArbCom case and have two complaints for you:
Theoretical:
I was quite surprised to see this painfully familiar style coming from you, considering your stance on all things Soviet. This rhetoric was used in wartime "courts" in the early days of the Soviet Union, as well as during the Great Purge. It basically amounts to the following:
"We need not listen to him, because anything he'll ever say will be just another reactionary lie to cloud the minds of honest, hard-working people. Let's shoot him on the spot before he has a chance to defend himself."
Some more on this process here.
Practical:
You didn't provide a single reference ( over here). While hunting for those diffs may be pretty boring and time-consuming, I think it should be done on such serious occasions, as the lack of any solid proof for your claims makes your statement even more in line with the "Soviet prosecutor" one above. For example, while I remember you two debating the early presence of Russians in the region, it was you who mentioned the "historical Russian claims to the territory of the PMR". That compelled me to comment on that specifically, because I assumed that you were either badly mislead or happily fighting a strawman, there. Mauco had actually said something opposite, here.
PS: Say, why did you delete the "rigorous application of fact" up there. I think it kinda made whole point worthwhile... -- Illythr 13:54, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
Maybe you didn't see my answer to you, then come in [ here]. M.V.E.i. 21:07, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
Moved from SOD AfD:
Illythr, you mischaracterize my position. My position is that the Stalinist story of Soviet history is stated today as if it were fact when it is fiction. As such, anyone who today parrots Stalin's fiction is a Stalinist.
What is "factually incorrect" in the USSR issue from the point forward you specify? Nothing in this particular instant except that it conveniently omits the need for rebuilding and why there weren't enough engineers: the results of destruction of Latvia's assets and liquidation of its engineers, doctors, lawyers (professional class) by the self-same Soviets. Nor does it mention that the Soviets invaded first = the fiction that the Soviets entered Latvia solely to vanquish fascism = which would be the lie at the beginning of my quote.
1) Have I suggested blaming the Soviets for any offense they cannot be factually and indisputably shown to have committed? No. The issue is not what facts I lay at which doorstep, the issue is that in attempting to lay documented facts at the indisputably appropriate doorstep, I and all others armed with facts which do not sanctify the Soviet past are called Nazis and Holocaust deniers.
2) Mass migration is associated with deportations when they are two parts of the same grand Soviet plan. We can call it de-Latvianization if you like, however, historically, Stalin was not the first perpetrator of "Russification" in Latvia--that term had already been coined, so it's perfectly fine to reuse. "Russophonification" is not a real word as far as I know. —
Pēters J. Vecrumba 03:16, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
DLX has proposed keeping the article in userspace until we're reasonably sure it can withstand a propagandistic AfD. I agree. As for the WP:POVFORK issues -- well, I still think an "apparent* "povfork" is inevitable. The individual Soviet crimes can be explained alone (and already are), but the coverups needs a common narrative to be properly understood. Thus, I imagine we should link the crimes into a suitable category; the supposed "fork" would be between the category and the article, and claiming this as a "fork" would be obviously absurd. Digwuren 05:15, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
For Estonia, ORURK (the National Commission for Researching Repressive Politics of the Occupations, Estonian: Okupatsioonide Repressiivpoliitika Uurimise Riiklik Komisjon) has published a report, called the Valge Raamat (translates as White Book). It contains detailed statistics, descriptions and estimates -- as well as reference to further sources, some of which are archives of various kinds, but some are earlier separate studies -- regarding a number of the major crimes perpetrated by the occupying Soviets against Estonia, and at a good number of times, touches issues of propaganda. Unfortunately, though, it appears to only be available in Estonian. (The upside is that it's available online.)
I believe I have heard Latvia had a similar commission. Unfortunately, I do not know if it has reached any conclusions, and if they're published. Should they be available only in Latvian, I wouldn't be able to read them. :-(
Do you happen to know of such authoritative sources that might be of use? Digwuren 21:44, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
Sorry about the late notification -- I didn't associate you with Petri Krohn's polemics right away --, but I am preparing a WP:RFC/U case on Petri Krohn's conduct, particularly his tendency to express weird fantasies as fact in matters having to do with Soviet occupation and Baltic states. Currently, a few other editors have volunteered to help with the data-sifting for evidence, and yet a few more seem likely to endorse the primary complaint, currently being developed at User:Digwuren/Petri Krohn.
If you should have any thoughts relating this matter, please let me know. I'm trying to get this case as solid as possible. Sadly, it is not easy to prevail against an editor, no matter how tendentious, with an Aura of Thousands of Edits, even if half of them come from edit wars ... Digwuren 22:22, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
In response to calls to this effect on the talk page, I'm moving forward with the WP:RFC/U with only the last six weeks worth of edits fully classified. Please take a look at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Petri Krohn, which, after minor editing and addition of the most recent 'interesting' diffs, is supposed to become the main RFC around 21:00 UTC tonight. If there are reasons barring you from endorsing the current summary, I would like to learn about them as soon as possible so the main summary can be endorsed by as wide a coalition as possible.
Thanks in advance. Digwuren 15:36, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
You might be interested to know that Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Petri Krohn has been filed. Digwuren 20:10, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
The Mediation Committee, as general practice, deletes rejected mediation requests. ^ demon [omg plz] 15:28, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
You have introduced some info recently, that is being editted and re-editted. The edits seem controvertial, but parts of them are technical. It is difficult for me to understnd some of these technicalities. Could you, please look at the edits, esp. at the technical parts (e.g.g precise citations and interpretations of those citations etc.): Dc76 13:09, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
This arbitration case has now closed and the decision may be found at the link above. Markstreet and sockpuppets, as well as William Mauco and EvilAlex are indefinitely banned from making any contributions related to Transnistria. This applies to all namespaces, including talk and user talk pages. For the arbitration committee, David Mestel( Talk) 17:43, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
Hello. There's a discussion going on Talk:List of countries as to whether or not Kosovo should be included in that list. You contributed to the same discussion at Talk:List of unrecognized countries and I thought you might be interested. The articles List of countries and Annex to the list of countries (where the inclusion criteria reside) are both relevant. Cheers. DSuser 13:21, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
Hi again. It's probably a minor point, but there a discussion and vote going on at Talk:Kosovo#Kosovo:_terminology as to whether or not it's better to use Kosovo rather than Kosovan or Kosovar in the Wikipedia articles. Perhaps you have no interest, in which case sorry to bother you! DSuser 15:46, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
Hi,
I recall that Latvia's pre- World War II citizenship law didn't provide any means of naturalisation, as that was considered superfluous, and first naturalisation provisions appeared in the citizenship law of 1994. Unfortunately, I can't find a source for it right now.
Can you verify whether my memory of this matter is true in the first place, and if it is, offer a source? Digwuren 22:20, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
Look, you should really study the context of the matter before bringing the weird accusations to an ArbCom. [9] My comment re "Soviet occupation of Romania" that you cited should be checked against the condition of the article back then when it was just created. You should have seen that pearl. No context, no WW2, no Barbarossa, nothing whatsoever. It looked like Soviets just invaded Romania in 1944-45 for no reason out of the blue, overthrew the legal and democratic government and installed a puppet state. Are you confusing the the 1940 Latvia with 1944 Romania in your mind?
I assume that you know enough history to know that this is not how it happened. Romania allied with Nazi DE fielded more troops than any country except Germany when they together invaded Ukraine and Belarus on June 22, 1941. Following the takeover of the territories the Soviets forced Romania to cede a year earlier, they continued on moving westward and got an entire southwestern UA all the way to Southern Bug under their control. You may read a little about their order in Ukraine. There is not much on-wiki. Perhaps Bogdanovka only, but there is plenty in the books. This was not the end, of course. They followed on then and their troops fought shoulder to shoulder with Germans all the way up to Stalingrad. When Soviets recomposed themselves and liberated the country from the Nazi invaders they also kicked out the Nazi allies and proceeded further westward as it is normal in any war. This was the context that I assume you know.
Soviets were no angels, no one is saying otherwise. But there were different "Soviet occupations" and each and every had different contexts and different degree of illegality, so to speak.
And with this in mind, let's see the form in which the article appeared.
THE START
THE END
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Are you saying that calling such a gross distortion of reality "a pearl" is an overstatement? Or do you think the article by its scope should not have be announced at the Russia-related new articles announcement board. I hope you will modify your statement about my edit?
Look, I am heartened by your interest to my activity being so deep that you are willing to dig as much and uncover such an obscure several months-old edit. But with so much time on your hands, how come you did not check the shape of the contemporary article that prompted my complaint?
And, of course, now that you have time to search for material on your fellow editors, please consider finally merging two Tilbergs articles into one as well as doing something about Latvian Academy of Arts and Eduards Smilgis still being red links. I collected some material on both when I planned to start them myself but never finished the job. If you are interested, I can post some stuff to your talk page. Regards, -- Irpen 04:50, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
If I copy your userbox of the Great Sun Joseph to my user page ? : -- Molobo 10:40, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
[[Image:Nostalin.png|]] | This user refutes post-Soviet Stalinist propaganda by rigorous application of fact. |
Hi Vecrumba, how is it going? just wanted to let you know that I'm not going anywhere, just don't wish to deal with the edit warring over there at this time. The way I look at it, it's just a Soviet occupation of the history of Latvia on WP. I also wanted to let you know that I thoght User:Philaweb post on the talk page deserved an answer so I left my responce to his/her talk page instead User talk:Philaweb. In general, I'd take it easy, one day the soviet occupation of the history of Latvia on WP is going to end anyway like the soviet occupation in reality ended at one point. take care, let me know if anything. Thanks-- Termer 06:33, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for adding several referenced facts to the article. Please do not mark such edits as minor. Same applies to your talk page entires. Please use the minor only for grammar corrections, cleanup, etc. TIA, -- Irpen 17:20, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
Termer, my post is on the purely technical matter unrelated to the content disputes. As for the Latvia article, I expressed by objections there several times and many of the uninvolved third-party editors who commented saw my points are meritorious. -- Irpen 19:43, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
Irpen, likewise, mine is on the purely technical matter unrelated to the content disputes. (content dispute would involve parties providing some sources to back up the opinions) At the same time I have to admit, there is something in common with your takes and the editors who share it, they rely on personal opinions without backing it up using any sources and attempt to edit WP accordingly. Please note that in the long run it's not going to be a strategy anybody can build an encyclopedia with. Therefore please consider responding to my note that's purely technical and provide any evidence or sources that would back up your personal opinions. And from there on I'm sure, other editors can take your opinions more seriously regarding any matters concerning WP. Thanks!-- Termer 20:01, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
Thank you Irpen for making it clear that you don't have any intentions to back up your opinions with any reliable sources either asked directly on the relevant talk page or elsewhere. Happy revert wars to you!-- Termer 20:10, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
Sigh... Anyway, Irpen please consider taking into account this purely technical and noncontroversial request regarding backing up your opinions with any sources while going into revert wars on WP. Thanks-- Termer 20:23, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
Scripturally I've always been partial to: "If your enemies are hungry, feed them; if they are thirsty, give them something to drink; for by doing this you will heap burning coals on their heads." (Rom. 12:20), a lesson I learned long ago from Charles Schultz and Charlie Brown. No reference intended to any particular person. — Pēters J. Vecrumba 00:32, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
Hi
Pēters J. Vecrumba, how about calling the article
Occupation of Latvia (1940) and the German and "2nd soviet occupation" are going to be kept in the Aftermath section? yes or no? Thanks!--
Termer 17:59, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
You may be interested in contributing to this article - I see a draft article in your userspace has been linked on talk of it.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk 17:25, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
Acctualy, I believe that this expresion originates from Lithuanian - I think I once saw a Lithuanian born actress on TV, being asked how they call Latvians - she mentioned this and said that she thinks it is because of how shoreline of Latvia looks on map. ---- Xil... sist! 14:03, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
Pēters, thanks so much for the award. It certainly is shiny! I'll defninitely wear it with pride. — Zalktis 07:21, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
Please don't recreate deleted articles. -- ChrisO 22:05, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
I've seen your template and the attached rational. Makes a lot of sense to me. Perhaps you could develop it further in your userspace. Martintg 00:17, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
I'm pretty disappointed how things went on Talk:Kraków, and frankly, I don't think I'm the only one to blame. You could have looked closer into some of the diffs you were responding to, I believe. Also, I wonder why you respond to comments addressed to others, and feel attacked by me? Responding with, to say the least, condescending remarks regarding my self-overrated proficiency of habla espanol? As for the recent edit wars, see my statement [11]. At a second look, I noticed I had mixed up the timing comparisons, but anyway, after Piotrus toppled the consensus and used up his 3RR, User:Szopen showed up and continued with reverting to Piotrus. A coincidence, of course, this happens many times ... Regarding "conspiracies", see User_talk:Piotrus#3RR and User:Matthead reported by User:Tulkolahten (Result:No violation). -- Matthead discuß! O 23:01, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
Isn't it, how many people are not aware of problems with Soviet historiography? They tend to think its just the 'other side'. Sigh. In any case, we should try to improve Suppressed research in the Soviet Union. As it is, it's unreferenced mess, and if it was created just now it would likely be AfDed :( -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk 23:24, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
Since you were included in the subject, please see Talk:Moldova#.22Moldovian.22_Language.3F. -- PaxEquilibrium 20:59, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
i urge you to rewrite your statement according to latter developments at Talk:Soviet_occupation_of_Romania#I_was_wrong. If you fail to do so, I'll consider it a sign of bad faith and block shopping. Since I assume you weren't aware of that section, I won't issue a response until you decide whether you wish to keep it in the present form, or change it to reflect reality. Anonimu 16:47, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
You're doing good on Anonimu/Anittas/Irpen vs. K. Lastochka/Istvan/Sceptre/Springeragh/Vecrumba/AdrianTM/Biruiturol/a lot of other people. Keep it up. :) — $PЯINGεrαgђ 00:28, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
Hi PētersV please take a look at this, it would be a good idea to start up I thnk Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Military_history#Baltic_states_task_force-- Termer 16:56, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
The task force is all set up and ready for sign up at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Military_history/Baltic_states_military_history_task_force#Participants -- Termer 06:23, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
Hi, and welcome to the Military history WikiProject! As you may have guessed, we're a group of editors working to improve Wikipedia's coverage of topics related to military history.
A few features that you might find helpful:
If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to ask one of the project coordinators, or any experienced member of the project, and we'll be happy to help you. Again, welcome! We look forward to seeing you around! Eurocopter tigre 21:34, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
What says you?-- victor falk 23:40, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
I e-mailed you on 29 Oct. in response to your question on my talk page. Did you get it? Regards, Zalktis ( talk) 08:33, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
An Arbitration case in which you commented has been opened, and is located here. Please add any evidence you may wish the Arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Anonimu/Evidence. Please submit your evidence within one week, if possible. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Anonimu/Workshop.
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Thanks for making updates to Portal:Latvia! I really hope that it can be made into a good portal and that the Latvia-related articles could also be better featured. Solver 13:48, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
It belongs to wikisource because it is not an article. Other than that, good job on merging the occupation articles. Renata 06:23, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
I have read the article, not the talk page (way too long :D). Here are my comments: the first two sections are quite vague. Sometimes I could not really understand what you are trying to say. Also, it would benefit enormously if you could add footnotes. For example, about Old Believers that they did not get involved. Where is that from? And many other generalisations. It is a big contrast to the POV marked sections were there are many facts and numbers. Also, the end favors Latvia's government (it looks like that to me). The article also needs a proper lead :) I hope it helps, Renata 19:23, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
Great comment on the claim that there was no occupation on the talk page to Latvia - many thanks! I was just wondering .. could you copy-paste the comment to the same claim that has been made on the talk page of the article on Estonia, or, if that's too much of a bother, let me quote you there? I can't think of better words to explain the situation with, but don't want to "plagiarise" you without asking you either.
Thanks!
ChiLlBeserker 00:59, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
Hello! This message is in regard to Wikipedia:Requests for mediation/Transnistrian referendum, 2006. I'll be happy to help all of you out here, but first I've left an important message on that mediation page which requires your response. I would also appreciate it if you could watchlist that page so that we may facilitate discussion and communication. I look forward to working with you! Flcelloguy ( A note?) 00:46, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
Hey, I thought maybe you would like to know that in 1988 Juris Podnieks and his crew stayed in our house while they were shooting footage in Armenia. I was only 11 then but I remember them singing Latvian patriotic songs. His tragic passing deeply moved us all.-- Eupator 21:47, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
Hi Pēters. I responded on the Talk:Riga page -- Siobhan Hansa 01:38, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
Hi Vecrumba. As you are Latvian I suppose you speak Russian. Please join our discussion in Talk:Transnistria, where we are debating some Russian language sources, and give your input.-- MariusM 14:39, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
Vecrumba, like I said in the Talk page of History of Transnistria, to avoid content forking this is where we should deal with the historical issues (besides that fact that Kievan Rus is not even mentioned in the main Transnistria page itself, currently). Then we will move a summary of that article into main Transnistria when done. I notice that we already have an ongoing thread there, and active. If you want to repost some of the other arguments from main Transnistria's Talk, please do so. I really appreciate the discussion and your input. - Mauco 13:58, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
This article created by Polish editors would certainly benefit from contributions by Latvian ones. Until just a few days ago it was not even linked from Daugavpils. Perhaps you could add some sources and expand it?-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk 18:08, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
Hi, Thank you very much for your interest in the issues related to Moldova and Romania. If you have continued interest in them, please feel free to join [1] It is not a very active group of users, but at least you can find on this page links to articles/issues ralating to M+R. In the Talk: Transnistria you have commented on Mark Almond's writtings. The article Transnistria is now in a point-by-point revision, and the first issue at hand is the credibility of different sourses. It came up the issue of scholarly work of Mark Almond, i.e. his books and articles, not through BHHRG. Do you know anything about this. I could not find any good links. Thank you.: Dc76 23:35, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
Regarding your studies, I would be very interested in any research on the influence Soviet propaganda continues to exert in the post-Soviet era.
I should mention my father was a renowned mushroomer--though my talents are less developed, and I'm a board member of the Latvian National Opera Guild. Perhaps we'll have a chance to "meet" somewhere less Wiki-contentious than
Talk:Transnistria. Best regards,
Pēters J. Vecrumba 17:02, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for trying on Talk:Jogaila.
This is not a straight Polish-Lithuanian squabble; in fact, we have a very small Lithuanian contingent. If that were what was happening, it would have been solved long ago: there would have been a WP:RM motion, both sides would have made their case, their !votes would have cancelled, and the neutrals would have decided one way or the other.
Instead, there is a medium-sized Polish block, and beyond that there are a large number of editors with separate interests of their own. Calgacus is interested in authentic contemporary usage; I am principally interested in getting a title recognizable to an English readership in this English Wikipedia, with the least surprise possible (as the naming conventions say).
For my purposes, the practice of a just-published standard history is almost irrelevant. It very well may determine usage in fifty years time; if so, we can move the article; I'm interested in what English-speakers use and expect now.
Regards, Septentrionalis 03:30, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
Hi. I observed that you are a Latvian (hopefully I have not understood wrongly :) Do you speak Estonian, by the way? or understand Livonian? or Izhorian? or Veps?
Could you take a look at article
Lieven and provide Latvian names (at least all "christian" names: Lieven, Reinhold, Hans-Heinrich, Johann-Christoph, Otto Heinrich Andreas, Charlotte, Mezotne, Turaida, Christoph Heinrich, Dorothea, Carl Christoph, Alexander, Pavlovich (Paul's son), Karlovich (Charles' son), Andreas, Anatoli, Paul) of all the (Lieven) persons there mentioned, as well as others who you think have had sufficient connection with Latvia. I am certain that all Lievens were so much in Latvia (either as landowners there or in some other role) that people there (at least sometimes) used Latvian first names of them, not only German or Russian or whatever. Then, do you know (or are sources available to you revealing) whetger "Lieven" itself had any Latvian version (translation and/or used name version) - and what is it?
Additionally, if you have time and interest, could you check whether you can add anything to the article.
(By the way, what is the formation of genitive inLatvian; how do you write "castellan of Turaida", for example; or "owner of Mezotne") I would be very happy if you can provide those abovelisted first names etc in authentic Latvian.
Shilkanni 09:40, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
Did you get my email about this flag? Well, since we are not an government organ of the PMR, it is up to us to decide on what flag we use on Wikipedia. Too bad the website of the PMR President is down, so I cannot see if any major changes have been done. I do not know anyone in the region I could ask, but I do think the plain red/green/red flag is used more often, if not for propoganda uses, but for ease of cost. It is easier to make a plain flag than to silk-screen symbols on it. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 02:54, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
(Continued here) ... In fact, I have an even better example: Crimea. Like Transnistria,
Unlike Transnistria,
And yet, despite all this, the existing tensions never escalated to a military conflict. Both sides gave away some ground and Crimea is now an Ukrainian autonomy. It's not a model part of Ukraine, true, but, thankfully, not a secessionist unrecognized state either.
So, my point is, if there really was/is an evil Russian plot to strangle the nascent democratic countries by illegally extending its imperialistic and oppessive rule to integral parts of their territory, then Crimea should've been first to face it.
This passage of mine is not directly related to the discussion of the Transnistria page, so I'm posting it here instead. Feel free to reply to in anytime you want. More rants to follow, if you permit it. :-) -- Illythr 09:53, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
P.S. Certainly more constructive to debate this way in any event than fill up Transnistrian talk with discussion of parallels.
P.P.S. Casual look on energy found this: http://eng.maidanua.org/node/642 — Pēters J. Vecrumba 16:42, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
(Also continued here as to avoid cluttering the already bloated Transnistia page) My comment about Mark losing whatever bonus he would get if he turned Wikipedia into propaganda was far kinder than the personal criticism which he leveled here that I and others are causing the deaths of Transnistrian children--comments which everyone was perfectly content to leave in place. I rather take that to be a double standard.
Hi Peters, this was archived shortly after I wrote it, so I'm pasting it here to be sure you notice:
I also read the quote you provided under the heading "human rights" (a link would have been nice, I couldn't find it). Based on that and the link above—among other things—I'm more or less convinced that the problem is not the actual legal code. Also, regarding the quote you did provide, it is awfully vague, isn't it? He "labeled" questionings "treason" and he "cracked down on debate," but what does that mean exactly? Were there any specific examples? jamason 16:16, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
Hey, Peters, you've got to see this! If you had had any doubts about me being a hardcore Stalinist, diligently working for KGB to hide the Truth, spread foul propaganda and eat little (insert your favorite nation here) children, well, doubt no more! Here (and below) is all the proof you need!
On a somewhat more serious note, please, do take a look. That guy really does "refute post-Soviet Stalinist propaganda", and he's probably serious about it. I think that a "look from the other side" will do you good. -- Illythr 19:48, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
One last thing: Latvia's future has nothing to do with ethnic boundaries: Please read
this. The first two sentences. It is the most eloquent way to say "(non-violent (?)) ethnic cleansing" without hurting sensitive ears I've ever heard. --
Illythr 18:47, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
First, Happy New Year!
I've noticed your interest in Transnistria, and maybe you would like to vote in the survey on the inclusion in
Tiraspol article of the images with the Soviet tank monument in Tiraspol and Transnistrian Government building in Tiraspol with statue of Lenin in front. The survey is
here. Thank you,
Dl.goe
I hereby notify you, that I started the arbitration case: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration#Occupation_of_Latvia_1940-1945. Constanz - Talk 10:34, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
Hello,
An Arbitration case involving you has been opened: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Occupation of Latvia. Please add any evidence you may wish the arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Occupation of Latvia/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Occupation of Latvia/Workshop.
On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, Thatcher131 01:22, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
Hi, Pēter, I am under impresion that you might know something more in depht about history of Latvia during the soviet era. User:Biruitorul has asked me to check these sections Collectivisation_in_the_USSR#Latvia and Forest_Brothers#In_Latvia, and expand History_of_Latvia#Soviet_period accordingly. I checked them with history textbook, however it seems that some dates might be wrong and place names in Forest brother article were obviously incorrect. So, I was wondering if you could take a glance at them ? Paldies jau iepriekš -- Xil/ talk 08:13, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
Here it says [3] that you want to remove the word official that is part of your transnistria compromise introduction, but I have read everything that you said about it, on that page, and I think maybe 3 times or 4 times, and my conclusion is that you are neutral, you dont care if it stays or if it is removed, is that correct? then you need to please come to Talk:Transnistria and say that this is correct that you are neutral, if not, then say that you are not, there is confusing and i have been accused of being a liar ("plain falacies" and "difficult to assume good faith") but I am honestly in belief that you are neutral from what I have read 4 times Pernambuco 16:10, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
Likewise, but I think there's something wrong with your userpage...-- Illythr 01:20, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
On the WikiProject Countries talk page, you had either explictly declared a general interest in the project, or had participated at a discussion that appears related to
Location Maps for European countries.
New maps had been created by David Liuzzo, and are available for the countries of the European continent, and for countries of the European Union exist in two versions. From
November 16,
2006 till
January 31,
2007, a poll had tried to find a consensus for usage of 'old' or of which and where 'new' version maps. At its closing, 25 people had spoken in favor of either of the two presented usages of new versions but neither version had reached a consensus (12 and 13), and 18 had preferred old maps.
As this outcome cannot justify reverting of new maps that had become used for some countries, seconds before
February 5,
2007 a survey started that will be closed at
February 20,
2007 23:59:59. It should establish whether the new style maps may be applied as soon as some might become available for countries outside the European continent (or such to depend on future discussions), and also which new version should be applied for which countries.
Please note that since
January 1,
2007 all new maps became updated by David Liuzzo (including a world locator, enlarged cut-out for small countries) and as of
February 4,
2007 the restricted licence that had jeopardized their availability on Wikimedia Commons, became more free. The subsections on the talk page that had shown David Liuzzo's original maps, now show his most recent design.
Please read the
discussion (also in other sections
α,
β,
γ,
δ,
ε,
ζ,
η,
θ) and in particular the arguments offered by the forementioned poll, while realizing some comments to have been made prior to updating the maps, and all prior to modifying the licences, before carefully reading the
presentation of the currently open survey. You are invited to only then finally make up your mind and vote for only one option.
There mustnot be 'oppose' votes; if none of the options would be appreciated, you could vote for the option you might with some effort find least difficult to live with - rather like elections only allowing to vote for one of several candidates. Obviously, you are most welcome to leave a brief argumentation with your vote. Kind regards. —
SomeHuman
7 Feb
2007 20:43 (UTC)
As stated on the top of every ArbCom evidence page, it is forbidden to edit other users' sections. If you disagree with some evidence, make your own subsection, or comment on talk. There should be no threaded discussions on the page. -- Grafikm (AutoGRAF) 09:33, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
I came here to give you a suggestion for a change of activity instead of trying to win the content dispute through Wikilawyering at ArbCom's page by pressing for sanctions against your content opponents, WP:Canvassing for "additional help" in doing so, and even following me to a totally unrelated article to check up on whether I did anything discrediting there.
Here is the suggestion for you to do something more productive. In the course of de-redlinking Taras Shevchenko, I created a short article about Janis Tilbergs, the author of the first monument ever unveiled to this distinguished compatriot of myself. I would have written more about this great Latvian artist, but I found a rather short supply of sources in the languages that are familiar to me. Therefore, I thought I bring this up to you in case you are interested in expanding it as you state at your page that you are interested in anything Latvian. Despite there is a shortage of sources in English, Russian or Ukrainian, there must be some info in Latvian, I am sure.
While at it, you may want to do something about the fact that certain very notable links, that even "Russian propaganda POV pushers" are aware of, are still red, eg. the Latvian Academy of Arts and Eduards Smilgis. You may also do something about Rainis being a pity stub. Happy edits, -- Irpen 05:28, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
This arbitration case has closed and the final decision is available at the link above. The parties identified in the decision as having acted poorly in the dispute regarding Occupation of Latvia 1940-1945 are admonished to avoid such behavior in the future. That article is placed on probation, and any editor may be banned from it, or from other reasonably related pages, by an uninvolved administrator for disruptive edits, including, but not limited to, edit warring, inciviilty, and original research. The Arbitration Committee reserves the right to appoint one or more mentors at any time, and the right to review the situation in one year, if appropriate. The parties are strongly encouraged to enter into a mediation arrangement regarding any article-content issues that may still be outstanding. If the article is not substantially improved by continued editing, the Arbitration Committee may impose editing restrictions on users whose editing is counterproductive or disruptive. This notice is given by a Clerk on behalf of the Arbitration Committee. Newyorkbrad 23:33, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
Thank you for your comment. Can you please consider the following argument. Occupation is by definition can only be of a foreign territory. If a territory already annexed, it can not be called "occupation". For example, Israel ocupies Gaza. If it declares annexation of the territory, it at the moment discontinues to be occupation. No country can "occupy" its own territory.-- Dojarca 07:56, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
Greetings. On the above page there is a lengthy debate going on, and there is much discussion about the Baltics. We would appreciate your opinion, as well as more informed commentary on the Baltic issue. Thank you. Biruitorul 20:50, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
I'm sorry for jumping in at this off-placed discussion. I do have to correct a misinterpretation.
Thanks for pointing out the issue of transliterating Latin to Cyrillic. We should create guidelines on Wikipedia against this practice. I coined the term double transliteration (and the redirect) to discribe this. This could be expanded into an article or section. -- Petri Krohn 22:26, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
There is a discussion on the talk page there on whether to call the killing by NKVD border guards of dozens (perhaps hundreds) of unarmed villagers trying to cross from the Soviet Union into Romania on April 1, 1941 a "massacre" or an "incident". Pretty much everyone agrees it was a massacre (which is what it is called in the quoted references), except one person, who says the killings were perfectly justified, so no massacre, just an incident. If you have some time and interest in this matter, please do take a look and give your opinion. I'm especially interested in hearing your view on the legal aspects -- you seem to have quite a bit of expertise on that. Turgidson 22:01, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
Say, let's consider a situation where the Russian army (still, which one of them were you referring to there?) magically disappears. What should be the next step? -- Illythr 00:17, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
The PMR is such a mess, I'll have to think about it. — Pēters J. Vecrumba 01:39, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
Hi, Pēters. One more question, on a different subject. A bunch of us have been working recently on the article on these joint Soviet-Romanian companies from the 1940s-1950s (related to the Soviet occupation of Romania article). We came about some difficulties evaluating the numerical output of one of these companies, Sovromcuarţ, which used to produce uranium ore that would go straight to a processing plant in Sillamäe. In particular, I noticed a non-negligible discrepancy between available sources on what the total amount of exported ore was (see the talk page for SovRoms for details). Maybe you have access to sources that could help resolve this discrepancy? Also, by the way, it would seem useful to expand the article on Sillamäe while at it (there has been some recent expansion as a result of all this, but maybe more is possible). Turgidson 19:32, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
Hi, I gave a warning here saying "Discuss article content, not other editors." This comment is totally unacceptable. If I see anything like that again, you will be blocked. Khoi khoi 02:08, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
You can take anything anywhere you want. Wanna links to pages where you can voice your grievances? You may not like the feedback you will get there though. -- Irpen 04:26, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
Now, here is a question. You were fighting the cold war battles so fiercely lately that I am afraid you forgot about my earlier suggestions. How is the merge of two Tilbergs' articles going? Anything? Nothing? Any chance for us to see the Latvian Academy of Arts, Eduards Smilgis? I guess you are too busy lately for these. Should I start a couple more Latvian articles for you since you are busy fending off the great Russian imperialism all over Wiki, like I have already done? I will gladly do that if it would stimulate you to productive activity. -- Irpen 04:26, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
Peteris Cedrins, I appreciate your suggestions on what you advise me to do. You may want to check my contributions, though, to see that I keep creating new articles in various topics and adding to the existing ones rather than as you claim "butting into controversies throughout the periphery of the former Russo-Soviet empire". In the spirit of this, I have created the article on the prominent Latvian artist and asked Vecrumba to help develop it. In response Vecrumba created a rival article on the same subject for an unknown to me reason and ignored my suggestion to merge them. With so many gaps on the coverage of his beloved Latvia all over wikispace I would expect the contributor who claims to be so committed to anything Latvian to have at least some interest in filling those gaps. Seeing him spending so much time flaming fellow editors in the talk page of most every article about any country touched by the evil empire, I thought I bring up my older idea to him one more time. You are right that Wikipedians chose which articles they wish to work on. As such, Vecrumba may choose to ignore my suggestion. It will then be left to others to fill the gaps. I started to collect the material for the Smilgis article and will write it myself. I hope then Vecrumba or you will be interested in at least developing it. -- Irpen 22:35, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
I will try to respond to several of the points you are making above. First, about your being busy. Please do not waste yours or other people's time on explaining how busy you are. I have yet to meet a single person who does not consider oneself "extremely busy". We are all very busy off-wiki. I truly sympathize with your RL problems and hope you solve them all and live happily ever after.
Regarding the Fantana Alba, the article was tagged when several editors taking turns (in order to outrevert) were persistently removing a sourced statement. I still do not understand why. This was done half a dozen times and this is the "according to..." type of statement you claim to support. Only then the article was tagged as this would have forced the discussion instead of a silly revert war.
Finally, Russians (I am not) would probably appreciate your concern about them. However, they will probably be able to take care about their things without your help. Maybe you forgot, but it was Russians (to be exact the Muscovites) who brought up the end of the Soviet Union by standing up courageously against the revanchist August Coup. This action of those heroes (who in your opinion need your help to better understand the concept of democracy and freedom), brought about the end of the USSR that made possible the emergence of the independent Latvia. I understand it may less pleasing and patriotically fulfilling to admit that and instead claim that Latvia became independent due to some of its diaspora comfortably living in UK and US going around the world with their claims of being the "vessel of Latvian sovereignty" (or what was that term?). -- Irpen 22:35, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
A request for mediation has been filed with the Mediation Committee that lists you as a party. The Mediation Committee requires that all parties listed in a mediation must be notified of the mediation. Please review the request at Wikipedia:Requests for mediation/Soviet occupation of Romania, and indicate whether you agree or refuse to mediate. If you are unfamiliar with mediation, please refer to Wikipedia:Mediation. There are only seven days for everyone to agree, so please check as soon as possible.
Hi, Pēters. I think you would like to take a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Russian_sentiment. Thanks. 80.235.53.82 17:25, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
Filed. Please confirm awareness. -- Biruitorul 16:21, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
Hello - thought I'd let you know that case for mediation on Occupation of Baltic States is now open: Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2007-04-29 Occupation of Baltic_states. As you have contributed to the article in question and have discussed the topic before, I thought you might be interested in leaving your comments there as well. DLX 05:55, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
In the mediation, you have posted this question:
Let's take your example: what is the basis for Russian Minister of Defense, Sergey Ivanov, declaring: "You can not occupy something that belongs to you."?
I am interested in the original source for this declaration, for the article of Soviet occupation denialism, as an example of fresh political belief of Baltic states having belonged to Russia. Apparently, your translation is not a common one, though, as the only reference Google can find is this very Mediation Cabal article on Wikipedia. Can you, please, provide me with an original source? Digwuren 12:58, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
Hi, Vecrumba, I just read your statement on the Transnistria ArbCom case and have two complaints for you:
Theoretical:
I was quite surprised to see this painfully familiar style coming from you, considering your stance on all things Soviet. This rhetoric was used in wartime "courts" in the early days of the Soviet Union, as well as during the Great Purge. It basically amounts to the following:
"We need not listen to him, because anything he'll ever say will be just another reactionary lie to cloud the minds of honest, hard-working people. Let's shoot him on the spot before he has a chance to defend himself."
Some more on this process here.
Practical:
You didn't provide a single reference ( over here). While hunting for those diffs may be pretty boring and time-consuming, I think it should be done on such serious occasions, as the lack of any solid proof for your claims makes your statement even more in line with the "Soviet prosecutor" one above. For example, while I remember you two debating the early presence of Russians in the region, it was you who mentioned the "historical Russian claims to the territory of the PMR". That compelled me to comment on that specifically, because I assumed that you were either badly mislead or happily fighting a strawman, there. Mauco had actually said something opposite, here.
PS: Say, why did you delete the "rigorous application of fact" up there. I think it kinda made whole point worthwhile... -- Illythr 13:54, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
Maybe you didn't see my answer to you, then come in [ here]. M.V.E.i. 21:07, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
Moved from SOD AfD:
Illythr, you mischaracterize my position. My position is that the Stalinist story of Soviet history is stated today as if it were fact when it is fiction. As such, anyone who today parrots Stalin's fiction is a Stalinist.
What is "factually incorrect" in the USSR issue from the point forward you specify? Nothing in this particular instant except that it conveniently omits the need for rebuilding and why there weren't enough engineers: the results of destruction of Latvia's assets and liquidation of its engineers, doctors, lawyers (professional class) by the self-same Soviets. Nor does it mention that the Soviets invaded first = the fiction that the Soviets entered Latvia solely to vanquish fascism = which would be the lie at the beginning of my quote.
1) Have I suggested blaming the Soviets for any offense they cannot be factually and indisputably shown to have committed? No. The issue is not what facts I lay at which doorstep, the issue is that in attempting to lay documented facts at the indisputably appropriate doorstep, I and all others armed with facts which do not sanctify the Soviet past are called Nazis and Holocaust deniers.
2) Mass migration is associated with deportations when they are two parts of the same grand Soviet plan. We can call it de-Latvianization if you like, however, historically, Stalin was not the first perpetrator of "Russification" in Latvia--that term had already been coined, so it's perfectly fine to reuse. "Russophonification" is not a real word as far as I know. —
Pēters J. Vecrumba 03:16, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
DLX has proposed keeping the article in userspace until we're reasonably sure it can withstand a propagandistic AfD. I agree. As for the WP:POVFORK issues -- well, I still think an "apparent* "povfork" is inevitable. The individual Soviet crimes can be explained alone (and already are), but the coverups needs a common narrative to be properly understood. Thus, I imagine we should link the crimes into a suitable category; the supposed "fork" would be between the category and the article, and claiming this as a "fork" would be obviously absurd. Digwuren 05:15, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
For Estonia, ORURK (the National Commission for Researching Repressive Politics of the Occupations, Estonian: Okupatsioonide Repressiivpoliitika Uurimise Riiklik Komisjon) has published a report, called the Valge Raamat (translates as White Book). It contains detailed statistics, descriptions and estimates -- as well as reference to further sources, some of which are archives of various kinds, but some are earlier separate studies -- regarding a number of the major crimes perpetrated by the occupying Soviets against Estonia, and at a good number of times, touches issues of propaganda. Unfortunately, though, it appears to only be available in Estonian. (The upside is that it's available online.)
I believe I have heard Latvia had a similar commission. Unfortunately, I do not know if it has reached any conclusions, and if they're published. Should they be available only in Latvian, I wouldn't be able to read them. :-(
Do you happen to know of such authoritative sources that might be of use? Digwuren 21:44, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
Sorry about the late notification -- I didn't associate you with Petri Krohn's polemics right away --, but I am preparing a WP:RFC/U case on Petri Krohn's conduct, particularly his tendency to express weird fantasies as fact in matters having to do with Soviet occupation and Baltic states. Currently, a few other editors have volunteered to help with the data-sifting for evidence, and yet a few more seem likely to endorse the primary complaint, currently being developed at User:Digwuren/Petri Krohn.
If you should have any thoughts relating this matter, please let me know. I'm trying to get this case as solid as possible. Sadly, it is not easy to prevail against an editor, no matter how tendentious, with an Aura of Thousands of Edits, even if half of them come from edit wars ... Digwuren 22:22, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
In response to calls to this effect on the talk page, I'm moving forward with the WP:RFC/U with only the last six weeks worth of edits fully classified. Please take a look at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Petri Krohn, which, after minor editing and addition of the most recent 'interesting' diffs, is supposed to become the main RFC around 21:00 UTC tonight. If there are reasons barring you from endorsing the current summary, I would like to learn about them as soon as possible so the main summary can be endorsed by as wide a coalition as possible.
Thanks in advance. Digwuren 15:36, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
You might be interested to know that Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Petri Krohn has been filed. Digwuren 20:10, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
The Mediation Committee, as general practice, deletes rejected mediation requests. ^ demon [omg plz] 15:28, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
You have introduced some info recently, that is being editted and re-editted. The edits seem controvertial, but parts of them are technical. It is difficult for me to understnd some of these technicalities. Could you, please look at the edits, esp. at the technical parts (e.g.g precise citations and interpretations of those citations etc.): Dc76 13:09, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
This arbitration case has now closed and the decision may be found at the link above. Markstreet and sockpuppets, as well as William Mauco and EvilAlex are indefinitely banned from making any contributions related to Transnistria. This applies to all namespaces, including talk and user talk pages. For the arbitration committee, David Mestel( Talk) 17:43, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
Hello. There's a discussion going on Talk:List of countries as to whether or not Kosovo should be included in that list. You contributed to the same discussion at Talk:List of unrecognized countries and I thought you might be interested. The articles List of countries and Annex to the list of countries (where the inclusion criteria reside) are both relevant. Cheers. DSuser 13:21, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
Hi again. It's probably a minor point, but there a discussion and vote going on at Talk:Kosovo#Kosovo:_terminology as to whether or not it's better to use Kosovo rather than Kosovan or Kosovar in the Wikipedia articles. Perhaps you have no interest, in which case sorry to bother you! DSuser 15:46, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
Hi,
I recall that Latvia's pre- World War II citizenship law didn't provide any means of naturalisation, as that was considered superfluous, and first naturalisation provisions appeared in the citizenship law of 1994. Unfortunately, I can't find a source for it right now.
Can you verify whether my memory of this matter is true in the first place, and if it is, offer a source? Digwuren 22:20, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
Look, you should really study the context of the matter before bringing the weird accusations to an ArbCom. [9] My comment re "Soviet occupation of Romania" that you cited should be checked against the condition of the article back then when it was just created. You should have seen that pearl. No context, no WW2, no Barbarossa, nothing whatsoever. It looked like Soviets just invaded Romania in 1944-45 for no reason out of the blue, overthrew the legal and democratic government and installed a puppet state. Are you confusing the the 1940 Latvia with 1944 Romania in your mind?
I assume that you know enough history to know that this is not how it happened. Romania allied with Nazi DE fielded more troops than any country except Germany when they together invaded Ukraine and Belarus on June 22, 1941. Following the takeover of the territories the Soviets forced Romania to cede a year earlier, they continued on moving westward and got an entire southwestern UA all the way to Southern Bug under their control. You may read a little about their order in Ukraine. There is not much on-wiki. Perhaps Bogdanovka only, but there is plenty in the books. This was not the end, of course. They followed on then and their troops fought shoulder to shoulder with Germans all the way up to Stalingrad. When Soviets recomposed themselves and liberated the country from the Nazi invaders they also kicked out the Nazi allies and proceeded further westward as it is normal in any war. This was the context that I assume you know.
Soviets were no angels, no one is saying otherwise. But there were different "Soviet occupations" and each and every had different contexts and different degree of illegality, so to speak.
And with this in mind, let's see the form in which the article appeared.
THE START
THE END
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Are you saying that calling such a gross distortion of reality "a pearl" is an overstatement? Or do you think the article by its scope should not have be announced at the Russia-related new articles announcement board. I hope you will modify your statement about my edit?
Look, I am heartened by your interest to my activity being so deep that you are willing to dig as much and uncover such an obscure several months-old edit. But with so much time on your hands, how come you did not check the shape of the contemporary article that prompted my complaint?
And, of course, now that you have time to search for material on your fellow editors, please consider finally merging two Tilbergs articles into one as well as doing something about Latvian Academy of Arts and Eduards Smilgis still being red links. I collected some material on both when I planned to start them myself but never finished the job. If you are interested, I can post some stuff to your talk page. Regards, -- Irpen 04:50, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
If I copy your userbox of the Great Sun Joseph to my user page ? : -- Molobo 10:40, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
[[Image:Nostalin.png|]] | This user refutes post-Soviet Stalinist propaganda by rigorous application of fact. |
Hi Vecrumba, how is it going? just wanted to let you know that I'm not going anywhere, just don't wish to deal with the edit warring over there at this time. The way I look at it, it's just a Soviet occupation of the history of Latvia on WP. I also wanted to let you know that I thoght User:Philaweb post on the talk page deserved an answer so I left my responce to his/her talk page instead User talk:Philaweb. In general, I'd take it easy, one day the soviet occupation of the history of Latvia on WP is going to end anyway like the soviet occupation in reality ended at one point. take care, let me know if anything. Thanks-- Termer 06:33, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for adding several referenced facts to the article. Please do not mark such edits as minor. Same applies to your talk page entires. Please use the minor only for grammar corrections, cleanup, etc. TIA, -- Irpen 17:20, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
Termer, my post is on the purely technical matter unrelated to the content disputes. As for the Latvia article, I expressed by objections there several times and many of the uninvolved third-party editors who commented saw my points are meritorious. -- Irpen 19:43, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
Irpen, likewise, mine is on the purely technical matter unrelated to the content disputes. (content dispute would involve parties providing some sources to back up the opinions) At the same time I have to admit, there is something in common with your takes and the editors who share it, they rely on personal opinions without backing it up using any sources and attempt to edit WP accordingly. Please note that in the long run it's not going to be a strategy anybody can build an encyclopedia with. Therefore please consider responding to my note that's purely technical and provide any evidence or sources that would back up your personal opinions. And from there on I'm sure, other editors can take your opinions more seriously regarding any matters concerning WP. Thanks!-- Termer 20:01, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
Thank you Irpen for making it clear that you don't have any intentions to back up your opinions with any reliable sources either asked directly on the relevant talk page or elsewhere. Happy revert wars to you!-- Termer 20:10, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
Sigh... Anyway, Irpen please consider taking into account this purely technical and noncontroversial request regarding backing up your opinions with any sources while going into revert wars on WP. Thanks-- Termer 20:23, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
Scripturally I've always been partial to: "If your enemies are hungry, feed them; if they are thirsty, give them something to drink; for by doing this you will heap burning coals on their heads." (Rom. 12:20), a lesson I learned long ago from Charles Schultz and Charlie Brown. No reference intended to any particular person. — Pēters J. Vecrumba 00:32, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
Hi
Pēters J. Vecrumba, how about calling the article
Occupation of Latvia (1940) and the German and "2nd soviet occupation" are going to be kept in the Aftermath section? yes or no? Thanks!--
Termer 17:59, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
You may be interested in contributing to this article - I see a draft article in your userspace has been linked on talk of it.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk 17:25, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
Acctualy, I believe that this expresion originates from Lithuanian - I think I once saw a Lithuanian born actress on TV, being asked how they call Latvians - she mentioned this and said that she thinks it is because of how shoreline of Latvia looks on map. ---- Xil... sist! 14:03, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
Pēters, thanks so much for the award. It certainly is shiny! I'll defninitely wear it with pride. — Zalktis 07:21, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
Please don't recreate deleted articles. -- ChrisO 22:05, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
I've seen your template and the attached rational. Makes a lot of sense to me. Perhaps you could develop it further in your userspace. Martintg 00:17, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
I'm pretty disappointed how things went on Talk:Kraków, and frankly, I don't think I'm the only one to blame. You could have looked closer into some of the diffs you were responding to, I believe. Also, I wonder why you respond to comments addressed to others, and feel attacked by me? Responding with, to say the least, condescending remarks regarding my self-overrated proficiency of habla espanol? As for the recent edit wars, see my statement [11]. At a second look, I noticed I had mixed up the timing comparisons, but anyway, after Piotrus toppled the consensus and used up his 3RR, User:Szopen showed up and continued with reverting to Piotrus. A coincidence, of course, this happens many times ... Regarding "conspiracies", see User_talk:Piotrus#3RR and User:Matthead reported by User:Tulkolahten (Result:No violation). -- Matthead discuß! O 23:01, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
Isn't it, how many people are not aware of problems with Soviet historiography? They tend to think its just the 'other side'. Sigh. In any case, we should try to improve Suppressed research in the Soviet Union. As it is, it's unreferenced mess, and if it was created just now it would likely be AfDed :( -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk 23:24, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
Since you were included in the subject, please see Talk:Moldova#.22Moldovian.22_Language.3F. -- PaxEquilibrium 20:59, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
i urge you to rewrite your statement according to latter developments at Talk:Soviet_occupation_of_Romania#I_was_wrong. If you fail to do so, I'll consider it a sign of bad faith and block shopping. Since I assume you weren't aware of that section, I won't issue a response until you decide whether you wish to keep it in the present form, or change it to reflect reality. Anonimu 16:47, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
You're doing good on Anonimu/Anittas/Irpen vs. K. Lastochka/Istvan/Sceptre/Springeragh/Vecrumba/AdrianTM/Biruiturol/a lot of other people. Keep it up. :) — $PЯINGεrαgђ 00:28, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
Hi PētersV please take a look at this, it would be a good idea to start up I thnk Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Military_history#Baltic_states_task_force-- Termer 16:56, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
The task force is all set up and ready for sign up at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Military_history/Baltic_states_military_history_task_force#Participants -- Termer 06:23, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
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What says you?-- victor falk 23:40, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
I e-mailed you on 29 Oct. in response to your question on my talk page. Did you get it? Regards, Zalktis ( talk) 08:33, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
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