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Hi Serge. You probably already got the ping, but please weigh in at FMSky's talk page. I find it very concerning an experienced editor isn't explaining the majority of their edits and think alternative rock and alternative metal as descriptions for music are "as obvious as the sky as being blue"... Ss 112 17:34, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

I commented probably at the same time of you writing this. Sergecross73 msg me 17:35, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

I'm confused. Are you saying adding unsourced genres is OK if nobody notices and objects...? Sure, FMSky wasn't adding 10 genres, but I just don't think adding subgenres should ever be seen or considered as an "uncontroversial" thing to do. And as I pointed out, it wasn't one article, it was a whole set of the band's articles. So technically it's getting into "a lot" territory. Ss 112 17:50, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

I wasnt even adding them in every case. I just changed one unsourced genre to another -- FMSky ( talk) 18:01, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

@ FMSky: This definitely isn't "uncontroversial" or "just changing one genre to another". Come on now. Ss 112 18:12, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Yes thats why i said "not in every case", i this case i did do it... Again just revert or remove it if you think its wrong. Note that i helps absolutely no one to have nothign at all listed there -- FMSky ( talk) 18:14, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Okay, getting a bit irritated here. I just commented on the difs that were laid out before me, it's not like I did a full investigation of the edits he's done in the last week. I felt my comments here were pretty clear. Got an uncontentious basic genre for something? Not the end of the world. But also entirely in your right to challenge revert. Definitely didn't say anything about doing that with more specific sub-genre, quite the opposite.

FMSky - stop doing this immediately. You're taking far too many liberties with genre to be citing WP:BLUE. It should be obvious to you that calling an album "noise rock" is not as obvious as calling the sky blue. Ss112 - stop being so aggressive with editors. You don't have to come on so strong all the time. This didn't need to be a big deal. Sergecross73 msg me 18:33, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Alright, understood -- FMSky ( talk) 18:35, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

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I woke up to a message from Pbsouthwood on my talk page asking me why I created the redirect Deleted efouiffjieif. I discovered it was actually the redirect Kordhell that was moved [1] by a user named Kalabochik7. Then my first thought was, how did an administrator not notice that the page I had actually created was moved and instead jumped to assuming I had made a redirect titled "Deleted efouiffjieif"? And why is the user who moved it not instead not being asked why they moved a redirect I created to an implausible title to, as the redirect states, clearly get it deleted? I have replied this to Pbsouthwood on my talk and asked Kalabochik7 why, but I don't think I'm going to get an answer out of the latter. It's very strange for an editor who has made random edits since 2020 to do this. (Also, please check your email for something I hesitate to say here.) Ss 112 16:13, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

Yeah, that whole situation is a bit weird. Regarding Pbsouthwood - I don't recall being familiar with them, but it could just be a good faith error - might have just gotten the the names of the "creator" and "mover" reversed?

As far as Kalabochik7 goes, yeah, definitely a terrible edit, but I don't think we need to worry much overall - they're not very active so they're not doing much damage. (They've made 50 edits in the last 2.5 years.) Sergecross73 msg me 19:29, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

Hey Sergecross73, as i can progress, why do you think that the term however is not allowed when they clearly didn't say that. Your just reverting my edits in a nonsensical way to prove that it's not worth. Your clerly not making any sense. 2601:196:4A01:D770:66E:9721:74BD:EC3B ( talk) 21:05, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

I can't tell what you're talking about. I haven't reverted anything from your current IP address. Where/what did I revert exactly? I can give a better explanation if you can explain what you're talking about... Sergecross73 msg me 21:17, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

I just dropped a block on this, as the activity you reverted was probably to their last IP in the /64. I saw repeated unsourced edits and edit warring. -- ferret ( talk) 21:20, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

Figured it was something like that - it's not like I'm out here "spite-reverting" or whatever they were trying to accuse me of... Sergecross73 msg me 21:25, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

WanakoDX ( talk · contribs) This is a totally robotically pointless 3x edit warrior over violating the MOS in Donkey Kong. Plus using virtually no edit summaries, and never responding to Talk page. Including not explaining how he just started an account with moderate skills as if like a sockpuppet. He only edits in trivia or tiny vital details like release dates and sales figures [2], and never with any sources. Thanks. — Smuckola (talk) 19:36, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

I don't think I can really take any action beyond the warnings you've already rightfully issued. He just made some questionable edits at Super Mario too, but he seems closer to "new and misguided" than "vandal". Sergecross73 msg me 21:50, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

Okay but bro I can't imagine why you'd think that. You've basically disavowed enforcing WP:3RR, which says 3 is the limit and the limit of the edits shall be 3. Four is right out. This guy is edit warring so hard that he's done *multiple* edit wars, each beyond 3 edits, and then you warned him on his second edit war. You warned him long after his third time of that second edit war, then he continued doing it anyway on an IP address. If you can't block him right at the first report I made, then nobody could ever be blocked for anything. This has continued specifically because not only does WP:3RR tell you to have long ago already blocked him, but it tells me not to keep reverting him and to report him to you for blocking or else I can be blocked. OK? Then you also simply didn't revert his violations that I reported. So you tried nothing but it hasn't worked! This has happened many times over the years with different users! I can't keep reverting! So again, he also pointlessly deleted the "start date and age" and edit warred the "Main series in '''bold'''" violation of MOS:NOBOLD. And I can't figure out if the sales stats change was done by him in yet another one of his source-less sales stats changes. — Smuckola (talk) 05:21, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

If you are unhappy with my efforts, I recommend you start reporting edit warring editors to WP:AN3 instead then. But please note that this editor has not edited in 4 days, and all their troublesome edits were undone through reverting and consensus-building on talk pages. Disruption was completely prevented. Sergecross73 msg me 13:34, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

As I very carefully enumerated, no his edits were not all deleted or I wouldn't have specifically named them and asked you to delete them. :) OK I'll do it. And I didnt know about that AN3 notice board, thanks! — Smuckola (talk) 21:02, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

• 69.123.101.227 ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) This block evader is back. Immediately identified him from a non-sensical edit summary "Race on!" plus edits to Times Square Ball. -- ThomasO1989 ( talk) 16:07, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

  Yeah, I just came across him too, but got pulled away before I could take action. IP is now blocked. Sergecross73 msg me 17:15, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

• 208.104.196.53 ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) Using talk pages for bizarre role-playing. -- ThomasO1989 ( talk) 22:42, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

  Blocked. Made it longer since it's the 4th block this year already. Sergecross73 msg me 23:07, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

• 81.104.128.234 ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) is still vandalising Can't Tame Her [3] after the page was unprotected. Ss 112 13:55, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

  Protected. Sergecross73 msg me 14:52, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

• 208.104.196.103 ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) This is the same WP:NOTHERE person as above. -- ThomasO1989 ( talk) 19:21, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

  Blocked and reverted. At least they seem to relegate their nonsense to talk pages, which get comparatively few views from the general public, so their silly edits are largely going unnoticed. Sergecross73 msg me 15:41, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

• IP vandals are at Spike and Mike's Festival of Animation — Smuckola (talk) 06:30, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

  I missed this one. Another editor got it though. Sergecross73 msg me 15:39, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

• WanakoDX ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) I'm sure you can guess why I'm reporting this user JOE BRO ⁶⁴ 19:12, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

  Wow, that's as blatant as it gets. Blocked. Sergecross73 msg me 19:49, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

• For two years now an IP editor has been editing Nightmare Creatures to describe the unfinished Nightmare Creatures III as a "third sequel". Initially this could have been assumed to be a good faith edit based on either a mistaken belief in a non-numbered entry or a simple brain fart, but his summaries instead feign either an inability to understand that the first in a series is not a sequel or an inability to correctly count to two, and ever since I pointed out that that's not a credible explanation, the editor has simply been edit warring without edit summaries at all.-- Martin IIIa ( talk) 15:05, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

  I'm a bit torn. You're obviously 100% right and it feels like a bit of a CIR problem with the IP, but it's such an infrequently occurring issue, that tends to get caught pretty quickly, that it's hard to rationalize page protection for that alone... Sergecross73 msg me 18:17, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

  Define "pretty quickly"; on this latest occasion I didn't revert until four months later (checking the article every few weeks just for this issue is hard to keep up for long). I understand that page protection is not something to be used lightly, but the only alternative I can see at this point is to let the baby have his bottle. Say the word, though, and that's what I'll do. Martin IIIa ( talk) 04:51, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

  You're right, apologies, I kept seeing that the disruption was often few and far between, but didn't realize the cleanup didn't always come right after it. That said, its still a bit tough to warrant protection. I think its best to just keep an eye on it unless it gets more frequent. The other alternative could be rewording it so that even this IP can understand. Maybe something like "second/third entries in the series that continue the story/game" or something like that. (Whatever's true to the series, I'm not super familiar with this franchise.) Sergecross73 msg me 17:45, 8 March 2023 (UTC)

• 80.208.64.212 ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) Adding useless crufty tables to Mario Kart articles. Same person as 80.208.69.192 ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log), got blocked previously for same edits. ThomasO1989 ( talk) 16:32, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

  Blocked. Sergecross73 msg me 17:15, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

• Speedymcfly ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) Edit-warring on the SMB movie article with a plagiarized "official synopsis" from the summary of a trailer YT video, which the user was already blocked for. -- ThomasO1989 ( talk) 18:25, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

  Blocked. Sergecross73 msg me 18:55, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

• Thrakkx ( talk · contribs) Mass deletion wrongfully, no edit summaries, no response to talk page. See talk page. Thanks! — Smuckola (talk) 21:02, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

  Warned a ways back, hasn't received any other complaints on talk page since then, as far as I can see, upon last check. Sergecross73 msg me 17:17, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

• Not vandalism per se, but OverMindpt ( talk · contribs) seems to be connected to Pedro Camacho (probably him), with every single one of his edits (dating back to 2011) involving him. ~ Dissident93 ^{( talk)} 20:32, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

  He doesn't seem overly active, so its probably enough at the moment to just give him a WP:COI notification on his talk page. There's almost certainly a templated version of that message, though I don't have that one memorized and don't have the time at the moment to search. Sergecross73 msg me 17:17, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

  Dear Sir. I am not Pedro Camacho and I am not related to him. I am an old person now so I come here rarely but I follow Camacho's work closely and I think his confirmed and award winning work clearly deserves a place in Wikipedia.

  I was shocked to notice this message and it clearly confirms to be @ Dissident93 has some kind of agenda I don't understand.

  I have to say@ Dissident93 has been actively removing awards - with valid links - removing references to Camacho's most notable works - like Requiem Ines de Castro which were performed many times in the best venues in Portugal and many concerts are available on youtube, and removing bio facts without any factual explanation.

  In fact I can clearly check @ Dissident93 has only been removing valid information about Pedro Camacho since 2015, much of that information was placed by me, when my health allows.

  This is not a conflict of interest since all I place here is correctly externally referenced - with multiple references many times.

  There is one key goal here from @ Dissident93: remove reference to Witcher 3 from Pedro Camacho.

  @ Dissident93 involvement started around Camacho's credit around Witcher 3 since 2015, nonstop, no matter how anyone explains and references Camacho's valid links or information from Interview throughout the years.

  Even though Pedro Camacho has confirmed work on Witcher 3 multiple times, @ Dissident93 keeps deleting religiously that information which suggests to me this user has some kind of conflict of interest with Pedro Camacho.

  Seeing this repost just confirms this user has a clear agenda and I would suggest him to start contributing more than always deleting information. Even Camacho's IGF award from 2008 - photographed and with multiple references - was deleted at some point by @ Dissident93, without any proof, simply by purely insisting in creating vandalist in this page. I only have time to come back to Wikipedia once per year but each time I come back I sadly check @ Dissident93 has attempted tried to destroy Camacho's page. OverMindpt ( talk) 10:24, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

  What reliable source says he worked on Witcher 3, as you keep claiming? The source ( https://24.sapo.pt/tecnologia/artigos/world-of-warcraft-novo-videojogo-tem-musica-do-portugues-pedro-macedo-camacho) you keep re-adding to the article (seemingly written by an uncredited author) just says "In the area of ​​video games, Pedro Macedo Camacho also wrote music for "Civilization 5", "Witcher 3" and for the "Star Citizen" project, in which he is still involved." The only credible thing I could find is Camacho saying he did " a new arrangement and orchestration of its Main Theme" which I believe was only used in a trailer and not in the final release.

  And I removed the awards stuff it also lacked good sourcing and seemed like it was added to inflate his notability. Award tables are generally removed from biographical articles anyway unless the awards are really notable, of which doesn't apply to Camacho. ~ Dissident93 ^{( talk)} 15:33, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

  https://soundcloud.com/pedrocamacho/witcher-3

  "Composed by Pedro Macedo Camacho and Gene Rozenberg. Recorded with Dynamedion orchestra by CD Projekt Red in July 2013.". https://musicbypedro.com/ official website plays states the same thing.

  Just saw your link and confirms the credit. Creating arrangements and orchestration is also a valid Work credit on a project. So you are confirming there is a source for the information and still you decide to remove the credit every single time it is added? Since 2015.

  So you just confirmed here you are creating vandalism since 2015. But if you are happier this way... I hope @ Sergecross73 comes up with a decision about this matter and makes a stop for people like you in wikipedia. OverMindpt ( talk) 20:18, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

  It is misleading and I'm not sure how you don't see that. Making a single piece for trailer which isn't featured in the final release does not make him a composer for the game. It can be added back to the article, but should be noted to avoid making it seem like he contributed in a major way to the game. ~ Dissident93 ^{( talk)} 17:07, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

  I haven't meant to ignore this, I just feel like my answer is just going to get buried in the archives before it's ever seen. I think this can just be resolved through the usual talk page means, notifying the Wikiproject, etc. Sergecross73 msg me 21:45, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

  I wouldn't have bothered if not for the possible COI, which I'm still not convinced isn't at least a partial one. ~ Dissident93 ^{( talk)} 18:22, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

• 207.229.139.154 ( talk · contribs · WHOIS) We have a BOZ clone. Years ago, I saw on BOZ's talk page, an active conspiracy between BOZ and one or two others, I guess including this IP editor, of joyfully developing a formal template of WP:TENDENTIOUS editing patterns that I know you are far too familiar with. Look at the shamelessly aggressive destruction of prose, section layout, and date formatting that I had already manually fixed long ago. [4] He stopped to deface that amid the infinite carpet bombing. You know the drill and I will refrain from another word at this moment! I'm....so sorry. — Smuckola (talk) 06:58, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

  I spoke with them politely about WP:LINKFARM and about just leaving them on talk pages, which is acceptable practice–. They agreed to it immediately. I don't helping out or intervening, but this is one of those times where a calm talk could have resolved this instead... Sergecross73 msg me 13:42, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

• Johnhochi Disruptive editing only. — Smuckola (talk) 23:32, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

  Blocked. Seeing if they can be coached or not. Sergecross73 msg me 00:34, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

• 73.17.12.158 ( talk · contribs · WHOIS) Edit warring over OR. — Smuckola (talk) 13:49, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

  Blocked. Sergecross73 msg me 14:07, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

• Dubstar44 ( talk · contribs) Repeated copyright violations in making bus articles. QuicoleJR ( talk) 23:15, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

  like i said to the others they were not intentional copyright infringements and i went through them and changed them when asked to or needed to Dubstar44 ( talk) 23:25, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

  Oh, OK. Maybe you should try using multiple sources, that could help with copyvio. QuicoleJR ( talk) 00:06, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

  Apologies, I wasn't around last night to address this, but it looks like another Admin did. I also alerted them to WP:NOTNEWS, which also seemed relevant to their creations sent to the draft space. Sergecross73 msg me 14:46, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

• SuperMario6467 ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) Seems like a good-faith editor but making a lot of problematic/pointless edits. -- ThomasO1989 ( talk) 21:17, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

  Warned. I think that's all I can really do at this point. Let me know if it keeps coming up though. Sergecross73 msg me 22:01, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

• 68.194.142.34 ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) Macy's Day vandal is back. -- ThomasO1989 ( talk) 07:54, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

  Blocked. Sergecross73 msg me 12:38, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

• 55-hot-chocolate ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) Sock of DancingChan4 ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log), disruptive editing on Mario Kart 64. -- ThomasO1989 ( talk) 03:01, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

  Already blocked by PhilKnight. Probably not worth socktagging. -- ferret ( talk) 13:51, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

• GrEgOrYiSnTaRoBoT ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) Seems that WP:NOTHERE applies. Returned 8 months after inserting game guide material into an article, now making useless requests to "Delete pls" on different WP guidelines. -- ThomasO1989 ( talk) 05:56, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

  Final warned. Sergecross73 msg me 12:44, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

• 59.153.127.224 ( talk · contribs · WHOIS) Personal attacks at User talk:HistoryofIran. Read that, it's quite bad. Also, ignored my warning. QuicoleJR ( talk) 19:52, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

  Already blocked, but I would have done it too. Sergecross73 msg me 20:16, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

• Hi Serge. Might you be able to protect Padam Padam (song)? Every day recently there's been IP editors added/changing chart positions incorrectly or re-adding things (usually charts) that have previously been reverted. Thanks. Ss 112 02:59, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

  Protected. Sergecross73 msg me 19:07, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

• Fgwhlezm vrj ( talk · contribs) Clearly WP:NOTHERE. QuicoleJR ( talk) 13:45, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

  Never mind, Ferret took care of it. QuicoleJR ( talk) 17:10, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

• Where did Linus go, Charlie Brown? Very WP:NOTHERE WP:CIR. Mass spamming of unencyclopedic content, creating tons of illegitimate articles. The latest one ( CMTB Animation) was moved to draft space so he instantly re-spammed its creation in main space, and with mass copyvio. Most other edits were reverted. No edit comments or talk responses to the countless notices. Thanks. — Smuckola (talk) 06:48, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

  He's only made 3 edits this month, none of them particularly disruptive. I can't really take action with such little activity happening recently. Someone to keep an eye on though. Sergecross73 msg me 18:35, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

• Hi Serge. Could you protect The Weeknd discography? There's an IP editor who's changing chart columns and formatting with nonsensical reasons, and they can't take no for an answer or are unwilling to discuss/propose their changes. Also it's just a discography for a high-profile artist who's currently releasing music/starring in a music-focused TV series so it's being heavily edited, with not all changes being great. Thanks. Ss 112 13:33, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

  Protected, but short-term because it wasn't the largest amount of disruption. Sergecross73 msg me 18:32, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

• Chase Young could use some protection. ~ Dissident93 ^{( talk)} 18:18, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

  Protected. Sergecross73 msg me 18:42, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

• EleventhBrother26.5 ( talk · contribs) Same person as 172.115.179.179 ( talk · contribs · WHOIS), 2603:8001:4cf0:91e0::/64 ( talk · contribs · WHOIS) and 23.251.203.50 ( talk · contribs · WHOIS), who got blocked previously for disruptive edits on Sailor Moon-related articles. Also posted a potentially insulting comment on my talk page and on Dekimasu's talk page when I tried to report the user. Lord Sjones23 ( talk - contributions) 02:33, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

  Never mind. Dekimasu's taken care of it. Lord Sjones23 ( talk - contributions) 05:20, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

  Sorry I was away for this. I would have blocked them as well. Sergecross73 msg me 11:58, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

• Hi, could I get a longer/indef protection for my talk page? There's been persistent sockpuppetry and vandalism since February. Harushiga ( talk) 17:39, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

  I could do it for a short period if you want, but it's not usually recommended to protect things like talk pages for longer periods of time... Sergecross73 msg me 01:45, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

  Sure, I'll take anything that would stop this nonsense. Harushiga ( talk) 02:07, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

• Hiya. An anon user has been repeatedly editing Shinedown discography with an incorrect chart peak, all from similar IP addresses. Any chance it can be protected and/or action taken on the user? Thanks! IYoni ( talk) 18:29, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

  That's article really hasn't seen very much disruption. It's pretty few and far between, so I don't think action is warranted yet. Sergecross73 msg me 16:03, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

• Hi Serge. The Chilean IP editor who's been active since March is still going. Would you be able to protect Westlife discography, Take That discography, Robbie Williams discography? They seem to be back focusing on those. Thanks. Ss 112 04:35, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

  Sorry, started this and forgot to wrap up until now. Protected all 3. Sergecross73 msg me 20:15, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

• An IP address keeps vandalizing the article on Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 5. QuicoleJR ( talk) 19:37, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

  Blocked. -- ferret ( talk) 19:57, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

• 142.118.36.222 ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) Block evasion of Aksh 539 ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log). -- ThomasO1989 ( talk) 02:14, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

  Looks like they've been auto blocked? Sergecross73 msg me 20:17, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

  I'm not sure. They added these denied unblock requests themselves. ThomasO1989 ( talk) 20:19, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

  They are not blocked, I checked. QuicoleJR ( talk) 21:32, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

The title says it all I have noticed alot of lists are so messy because people just assume "Disney's" is part of the title so they put that in the D section for a list. So I am wondering if it is ok to just ignore the "Disney's" and just put the game in whatever the first letter is after the "Disney's" in that respecteive letter section? Off course we will keep the article title as is but this is only for lists of games when alphabetising titles, but some games that Disney on them are part of the title like Disney Infinity ir Disneys' Skate Adventure but if its a movie game is it ok to remove and just reloacte it for game lists? This topic is rarely talked about so I want ur opinion if it is fine? NakhlaMan ( talk) 03:23, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

If it's part of the name, it's part of the name. This isn't the same as excluding articles like the/an/a from sorting. Disney's Aladdin is not marketing jargon. It's the actual name of the game, package, logo, and start screen. -- ferret ( talk) 13:11, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Yeah but some people just Aladdin some people just ignore the "Disney's" because its more about exluding the brand name marketing name. Like same thing with Spider Man PS4 being called Marvel's Spider-Man no one puts that in the M section just because of the "Marvel" moniker they put that in the S section. So the same should be said for the Disney games. Hell even though it is officialy refered to as Marvel's Spider-Man the logo doesnt have an 's at the end of Marvel. Also just because it is what it says on the package, logo, and start screen doesnt mean we should officially refered to it as its name, that will be like reading of the logo like "Disney Square Enix Kingdom Hearts" do people refer to that just because both logos are on top of the actual logo? NO! Besides my point is not removing Disney's Aladdin as the ARTICLE TITLE this is only for lists of games to make it easier, and not more difficult. Like I could go on and on about it. NakhlaMan ( talk) 13:14, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

But Kingdom Hearts isn't named "Disney Square Enix King Hearts". Disney's Aladdin is named "Disney's Aladdin". That is the actual name. -- ferret ( talk) 14:29, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

what about my point for Spider-Man? Is Marvel's part of the title? At least say somethhing about this point? NakhlaMan ( talk) 14:34, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Calm down. Yes, "Marvel's" is treated as an explicit part of the title. -- ferret ( talk) 14:38, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

But still regardless no one when sorting things in alphabetical order is gonna care about it anyways because it is common for everyone to just ignore the Marvel or Disney's in the title anyways. I dont want to cause an edit war or anything but I hope Serge can help us out. NakhlaMan ( talk) 14:41, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Actually I will pass this down on Wikiproject and see if I can get a proposal. NakhlaMan ( talk) 00:06, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Sorry for the delay. Personally, I don't think it's worth worrying about or changing. I think both name variants are pretty well known. Feel free to ask WT:VG but I think it's realistically fine how it is. Sergecross73 msg me 00:20, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

So in ur opinion it’s fine to sort games with this kind of branding to be put in the respective letter like marvels Spider Man in the S section instead of M section? NakhlaMan ( talk) 00:33, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

I guess I don't personally put much importance in alphabetical sorting. Maybe it's just me, but I always " ctrl-F" search to find what I need to find in a list, or I skim through the entire list. Alternate names like this wouldn't affect my search. But feel free to see what others think. Sergecross73 msg me 01:29, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

WP:COMMONNAME policy says we should use the most commonly used official name, not whatever one we think looks good. If it happens to be "Marvel's Guardians of the Galaxy" we have to go with it, and use hatnotes to alleviate any confusion. Not much more to say really... this is a well established Wikipedia policy. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ ( ᴛ) 02:18, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Usually the common name would always ignore those moniker's like everyone commonly refers to the Spider-Man game to Spider-Man PS4 instead of Marvel's Spider-Man which if that is the case it is 100% fine to put that in the S section when alphabetising them, since that IS the common name. NakhlaMan ( talk) 02:24, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

I'll throw a data point in that we don't call the Civilization games as "Sid Meyer's Civilization", though there are other games with Sid Meyer's name that is kept like that. Masem ( t) 02:50, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Excalty but also why do people dont like alphabetising the Tom Clancy or James Bond games? NakhlaMan ( talk) 02:58, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Frankly, I'd STILL argue that Spider-Man (2018 video game) should be called Marvel's Spider-Man (2018 video game). The 2022 move was almost entirely based on cherry-picking sources that didn't call it that and saying "see?"

Either way, please stop trying to bludgeon this into becoming an official policy... it won't happen. Everything must be decided on a case by case basis determined by what people call the game or series at that particular time. There is simply not going to be a broad policy of shortening names, so this is moot. If you keep trying to force the matter, it will get to the point of being disruptive. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ ( ᴛ) 03:35, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

I dont understand what this means can you elaborate?

cherry-picking sources that didn't call it that and saying "see?"

Also a similar thing happened with Yoshi's Island didnt article just got moved it used to Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island and then they moved it to Yoshi's Island. How come we can shorten that but not the Disney or Marvel games? Sorry to beat around the bush with this topic still but please explain it to me. NakhlaMan ( talk) 03:45, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Sometimes fans or critics end up naturally shortening the name of a (usually long running) game series or its initial game, like Civilization or Yoshi's Island. In that case, Wikipedia reflects this in its names. But the point is that it's reflecting other people's usage, not an arbitrary policy on Wikipedia. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ ( ᴛ) 04:12, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Ok fine there is no need to make it a policy but I feel for doing lists I think I can just either keep the branding of Disney BUT list it like this:

Disney's Aladdin in the A section

OR

Disney's Aladdin (Virgin Games video game)|Aladdin like that

I think just to make the lists easier for people, because someone who is looking for it cant just go all the way to D's just because of the Disney monkier which the person may not be aware it was part of the title cause the person assumed it is just a brand name instead of part of the title. Do u catch what I say? For an example go see the List of Game Gear games and u should find Aladdin straight away as it is listed literally at the TOP of the list. NakhlaMan ( talk) 04:20, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

I'm not sure I agree with that either. I think a game called "Disney's Aladdin" should go in the "D" section. It's a legitimate part of the title. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ ( ᴛ) 18:02, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Its like sorting movies I am sure VHS covers say Disney’s Aladdin so if u we’re working at a movie story u wouldn’t put that in the D right? Think about it? NakhlaMan ( talk) 01:16, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

No, it's not the same. Aladdin (1992 Disney film) was named just "Aladdin". Disney is not show or incorporated into the name or logo of the film. The game, however, does incorporate it directly. -- ferret ( talk) 02:03, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

Sorry to beat the dead horse for this topic but that is simply not a good excuse, because shouldnt we be calling games by there common names I just want to put an end to this topic once and for all because right now looking at the talk page for Guardians video game they seem to be making my EXACT points I make so why not just go with the common names because some people dont think the "Disney's" or "Marvel's" is not part of the title and just simply ignore it. Serilsy isint it our job to make things simple for everyone NOT make things harder and complicated? NakhlaMan ( talk) 05:09, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

Howdy Serge so basically on the Sonic Superstars page I'm the guy who uploaded the logo but I can't figure out how to change the credits of the image to SEGA, Sonic Team and Arzest (I accidentally credited myself), so if, you know, you could help me, that would be great, ok thanks RebelUltra ( talk) 20:03, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

Sorry, I dont really dabble in the world of images. Hopefully someone else will fix it - try saying something at the article talk page. If not, it's really only a placeholder until a real cover is released, so it's not the end of the world if it goes. Sergecross73 msg me 14:26, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

Serge I am having a real hard time with the Dreamcast list because alot of games only came out in Japan and I am not sure wheter to sort by its English translated name or romaji name like an example is the Evangelion games. Like do we put it as "Neon Genesis Evangelion: Ayanami Raising Project" because thats the article title's name or do we put it as "Shin Seiki Evangelion: Ayanami Ikusei Keikaku" because thats the romaji name? NakhlaMan ( talk) 05:13, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

Sorry man, I dont know what to tell you anymore. You can either ask WT:VG for input or do whatever you want if there's no one opposing how you want to do things. I think you're sweating the small details a bit too much. As long as the info is there, people will find it. Sergecross73 msg me 14:28, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

Any in particular you think should get a closer look?-- Kung Fu Man ( talk) 17:25, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

I just feel like some of the better written ones, like Chrom or Balthier, could have been kept more in a WP:TIND kind of of way if we all were so nomination-happy as a community right now. I couldn't find any proof so I couldn't/can't rightfully vote keep on them. Just a hunch, nothing I can prove. Sergecross73 msg me 17:33, 17 June 2023 (UTC)