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On 5 August 2014, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Ada Cherry Kearton, which you recently created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that soprano Ada Cherry Kearton was married to wildlife photographer Cherry Kearton and recounted their travels in her autobiography On Safari? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Ada Cherry Kearton. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page ( here's how, live views, daily totals), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

 —  Crisco 1492 ( talk) 01:52, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

A good one for your album, -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 19:40, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

On 6 August 2014, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Xenia Field, which you recently created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that Xenia Field helped to establish the first bail hostel in Britain? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Xenia Field. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page ( here's how, live views, daily totals), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

 —  Crisco 1492 ( talk) 01:24, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

Hello, it is an urgent request Andy Mabbett , that i was editing Template:Infobox film awards page and i don't know suddenly what happened, the whole parameters of the template is now showing on every page, where ever this template is used, could you please help me to fix it, please. Fushan ^{talk to Faizan} 5 August 2014, 19:49 (UTC).

@ Fushan007: That seems to have been sorted, now. I was travelling yesterday, so I didn't see your message until now. Should you need urgent help in future, you might be better to post to one of the notice boards ( WP:AN WP:ANI) rather than to individual's talk pages. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 08:50, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

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Hey Andy, do you know about Extension:PronunciationRecording? It's very similar to the project idea you were describing at Wikimania. Kaldari ( talk) 09:57, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

I didn't that sounds like it might be useful. Thank you. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:03, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

The request for amendment relating to the Race and intelligence case has been archived without action

The original discussion can be found here For the Arbitration Committee -- S Philbrick (Talk) 12:36, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

recently you made this edit which included

• {{EB1911|no-prescript=1|title=Burnaby, Frederick Gustavus |volume=4}}

Please do not use "{{EB1911|no-prescript=1" but instead use {{ Cite EB1911}}. {{ EB1911}} is for attribution per the plagiarism guideline while {{ Cite EB1911}} is not. Also the "no-prescript=1" is deprecated in favour of noprescript=1 (the documentation has not mentioned no-prescript in ages). The advantages of using {{ cite EB1911}} is it less characters to type and it automatically fills out some more appropriate maintenance categories.

If you want to link a Wikipedia citation to a wikisource article with either {{ Cite EB1911}} or {{ EB1911}} then please use "|wstitle=name" instead of "|title=name" as title= does not auto-magically link to wikisource.

"title=name" is for use with the parameter "url=" to link to the the PD sources found in EB1911#External links . You will find details of all the parameters in Template:EB1911/doc and Template:Cite EB1911/doc.

-- PBS ( talk) 15:06, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

That's not my reading of Template:EB1911/doc; perhaps you should direct your attention there. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:42, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks you were right. There was inconsistencies between the sections. I have not altered the documentation to be consistent on noprescript. I still recommend you use {{ Cite EB1911}} if you are not attributing text to EB1911. -- PBS ( talk) 19:28, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

On your award in London.-- S Philbrick (Talk) 16:25, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

07:43, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for your contribution to the "Notability" discussion group at Wikimania. I found it more thought provoking than I expected and rather encouraging as well as it is easy to forget that there are a lot of people out there who genuinely care about the quality of the content. Congratulations on the award too - well deserved. It has reminded me that there are a couple of my friends who have Wikipedia articles about them who I am sure I could get to create voice recordings so I'll be following that up. All the best, QuiteUnusual ( talk) 08:19, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

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Your Military History Newsletter Project news: From the editors; awards and honours; contest results Articles: Last month's new Featured and A-Class content Book reviews: Wrap-up of some recent external reviews Interview: World War I editors Op-ed: TomStar81 on the outbreak of World War I

07:17, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Lambrini Papangelis, author of the Wikipedia article "Harry Mark Petrakis." Thanks very much for cleaning up, and for mounting, the article. Now I want to mount two more articles, "Mark Petrakis" (Harry Mark's father) and "Stella Petrakis" (Harry Mark's mother). I want to do what I did before: work on them in my Sandbox. But in order to do that, I have to get the "Harry Mark Petrakis" article out of my Sandbox! Where do I put it? I don't want to delete it. Thank you. Lambrini Papangelis Lambrini Papangelis ( talk) 19:49, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

@ Lambrini Papangelis: If you overwrite it, it will still be in the history. Alternatively, you can start new sandboxes at, say, User:Lambrini Papangelis/sandbox 2, User:Lambrini Papangelis/sandbox 3 and so on; or at User:Lambrini Papangelis/Mark Petrakis, etc. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:42, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

I've moved this discussion to Wikipedia talk:Authority control#Liaison with VIAF, to facilitate wider discussion. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:01, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

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Dear Andy, thank you very much for showing me how to open a new Sandbox. I have written another article, about the Rev. Mark Petrakis. He was the father of Harry Mark Petrakis (see Wikipedia article). Here is the title of the Sandbox: User:Lambrini Papangelis/Mark Petrakis. Will you "clean it up" and mount it, please? The way you did the Harry Mark Petrakis article? Thanks so much. Lambrini Papangelis ( talk) 22:27, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

Dear Andy, I have finished the last of my three articles about the Petrakis family. The third is titled "Stella Petrakis" and it is at User:Lambrini Papangelis/sandbox 3. Will you please "clean it up" and mount it? Thank you for the opportunity to write for Wikipedia. Lambrini Papangelis ( talk) 23:49, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

@ Lambrini Papangelis: I can't publish either this or the article in the preceding section, as they stand; although you have given sources, they are insufficient to establish notability; you need to show how they meet the criteria for inclusion by citing significant coverage in more than one independent sources. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:09, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Dear Andy, Lambrini Papangelis here, authoress of "Harry Mark Petrakis," "Mark Petrakis" and "Stella Petrakis." I can see what you mean about Fr. Mark and Presbytera Stella not having enough "notability" to be published on Wikipedia, and I understand. We won't publish those.

Now, for the "Harry Mark Petrakis" article: there has been put a big exclamation point at the top that says the article needs additional citations. I would like to be the one to supply them. This will be easy when Petrakis's autobiography, titled "Song of My Life," comes out in October (2014). I will be able to add lots of citations then. Lambrini Papangelis ( talk) 12:39, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

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Dear Andy,

The Wikipedia article you mounted on Harry Mark Petrakis, that I edited in my Sandbox, is missing two large sections. They are "The Petrakis family" and "Gambling addiction." Please add them. They are in my Sandbox. Thank you. Lambrini Papangelis Lambrini Papangelis ( talk) 20:43, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

@ Lambrini Papangelis: They were removed in this edit, citing our policy on Biographies of living people. I suggest you read that, and the edit summary cited. I'd also recommend you take a look at the page's "history" tab, and familiarise yourself with the "prev" links, so you can track other changes as they are made. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:51, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

No, no, Andy, Harry Mark Petrakis is not the same as Mark Petrakis. Harry Mark Petrakis is the Greek-American author of novels and short stories, the one Wikipedia already had an article on. Mark Petrakis is the Greek Orthodox priest father of Harry Mark Petrakis, the one whose life you said was not notable enough to be mounted on Wikipedia. Please put the two sections "The Petrakis Family" and "Gambling addiction" back in the Harry Mark Petrakis article. As it stands now, the article does not even show his birthplace, the names of his parents and siblings, the fact that his father was a priest and the fact that he even struggled with gambling at all. The sections are in my Sandbox. Please, put in the "The Petrakis family" and "Gambling addiction" sections. Lambrini Papangelis Lambrini Papangelis ( talk) 13:23, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

@ Lambrini Papangelis: Yes, that's what I meant, but the link-template was malformed; I've fixed it, above. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:30, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

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  • Starting Tuesday we will deploy a new beta feature on the clients. It will allow you to show links to other sister projects in the sidebar based on the links in Wikidata.
  • Planning for structured data support for Commons is starting to pick up speed. Get involved: https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/multimedia/2014-August/000774.html Also maybe attend the office hour?
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09:21, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

A little while ago you posted on the Staffordshire talk page about possibly starting a wikiproject for Staffodshire. Given that, I thought you may be interested, and perhaps willing to be involved with, the Staffordshire portal I've just started. Sotakeit ( talk) 14:56, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

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I see you've added a "wikidata" optional column to Template:EH listed building row - how do you find out the wikidata number/code if an article has one?— Rod ^talk 21:28, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

@ Rodw: Each article has a "Wikidata item" link in its left-hand navigation panel. Copy the URL, and the Wikidata ID is the right-hand part of that. The parameter though will be most useful for monuments with no article. Once the tables are populated with everything else, we can scrape the data and make the Wikidata items, then put the IDs into the tables. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:49, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

Andy don't know if you are on the WLM-UK mailing list <wlm-uk@wikimedia.org.uk> but discussions on there re wikidata & the WLM pic upload system being built at https://tools.wmflabs.org/wlmuk/ I've contributed some comments but the technical side (being done by Magnus Manske) is above my head - would you be willing/able to help?— Rod ^talk 19:05, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

@ Rodw: Sure - I'll join that list now. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:51, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

Andy, you have removed the name= labels from the rows in the works of art table. This means that the KML map again shows the locations as #1, #2, etc. Can your new template put labels on the KML map?    Oosoom  ^Talk  18:27, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

@ Oosoom: The names cased problems when included within other microformat emitting templates/ table rows. This was an unfortunate side-effect of other editors using the Coord template for things for which it was never intended. I recall adding something to this effect to its documentation, but that seems to have been watered down. I described the problem, and a fix, in Template talk:Coord/Archive 6#Removal of hCard microformat six years ago, but as you can see, got nowhere. I've now applied that fix; if it sticks, you can reuse those names without breaking anything else. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:58, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

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Good catch; thanks. That should now be fixed. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:00, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Stanley Rubinstein is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

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I am taking your comments to heart. While presently engaged in my own gnomish project, I may close the AfD as a speedy keep later today. (In the meantime, perhaps it will stimulate someone to find more info on Stanley.) Thanks. – S. Rich ( talk) 17:43, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

@ Srich32977: Thank you. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:29, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for your many fine edits to Rubinstein. And please accept my apology. I was too eager to nominate for afd. Also, I had no idea that the process would stimulate so much discussion (below). – S. Rich ( talk) 18:24, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

Thank you; and for being big enough to say so. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:31, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

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  • upcoming: IRC office hour about structured data for Wikimedia Commons
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  • New Main Page and other new features
  • Breaking changes for gadgets
  • Badges support via Wikidata has been rolled out to Wikipedia and other sister projects. If the icons shown are not the ones your project would like please request a change here.
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  • DataModel 1.0 will be more strict when adding Claims or Statements to Entities. Quite some tests needed to be made compatible
  • Adopted to recent API changes (getPossibleErrors and others got dropped)
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07:49, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

Just to let you know - I moved the lyrics note back because there is only one track with lyrics ... so it fits better there.

The source for this infoemation is One Fifteen - Pink Floyd's management company. JABEYEPR ( talk) 19:39, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

@ JABEYEPR: I've copy edited it to make that clear; but please see WP:RS for details of what constitutes an acceptable source. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:55, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

Thanks Andy! Where did you find the tail number? I couldn't find it as I was writing the article. Best, HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 12:49, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

@ HJ Mitchell: I forget which page I found it on first, as I checked a several, to be certain. A Google search for the two dead crew members' names found some, then searing for "XZ256" found others. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:55, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. I Googled it and found that the official report is in the House of Commons Library so I fired off a request for a copy. I'm curious to see what the response is... HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 13:42, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

@ HJ Mitchell: If that doesn't work (though it should), you could always ask your MP to obtain it for you. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:59, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. I might have to resort to that—the House of Commons Information Office have referred me to the Parliamentary Archives. The phrase "pillar to post" comes to mind... HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 15:16, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

Your local public library, if they don't have it (they probably won't), should be able to get it through inter-library loans; or, since Lenton is well within cycling distance, you could try blagging your way into the lib at the University of Nottingham. I think that there's a HMSO shop in Nottingham City Centre. -- Redrose64 ( talk) 16:08, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

I found this, which mentions the Richmond incident. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:39, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

Hey Andy, can you clean up the infoboxes for Javier Castellano, John R. Velazquez, Joel Rosario, and Victor Espinoza?? They need list parameters, collapsing of the longer lists of grade I wins, etc. You can use the version at Rosie Napravnik or Gary L. Stevens as a base for what I'm after...I think I had you clean up those two, didn't I? Thanks! Montanabw ^(talk) 19:15, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

@ Montanabw: I think that was RexxS. See what you make of Javier Castellano, for starters. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:43, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

I tweaked it so it looks the way I want it to look (split out American Classic/Breeders' Cup races from the rest) - even if the syntax is screwy. Does that give you enough to go on? Except, is there a way to make the bulleted list a list with each entry on a separate line - with or without bullets? Montanabw ^(talk) 23:24, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

( talk page stalker) @ Montanabw: Try {{ ubl}}, as used at LB&SCR A1X Class W8 Freshwater, or {{ plainlist}}, as used at Fairport Convention. -- Redrose64 ( talk) 08:08, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

I don't know how to make that stuff work unless I can do a straight copy and paste, changing only the data. When I have to change parameters or add syntax inside, I'm helpless... If Andy can tweak these jockey ones, I can then copy and paste from there. Otherwise, I get weird results - I'm not a programmer... Montanabw ^(talk) 20:26, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

Of the two, {{ plainlist}} is probably easier to understand. You take a normal bulleted list, and put {{plainlist| in front of it, and }} at the end, like this. It has the advantage that when editing the page, it's easy to pick out the individual list items in order to add, amend or remove, because they're one per line, just like a normal bulleted list. It does take up a fair amount of vertical space though. For this reason, some people prefer {{ ubl}} where you list the various items one after the other, separated by pipes, like this. A clear disadvantage of that one is picking out the pipes which separate the list items from the pipes used inside the list item - in this case to separate the parameters to {{ convert}}. -- Redrose64 ( talk) 22:30, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

Redrose, if you know how this works (I just imitate what others insert), can you look at the Rosie Napravnik infobox? The collapsed section (Graded Stakes wins) has the very problem you discuss (a list that is not one per line, so hard to read) so could you pop in the plainlist parameter in the right spot so that section has a more readable list when uncollapsed? I have to do it about 10 times before I get the markup syntax placed right, and even when it looks right, I still need a gnome to clean it up for me. Montanabw ^(talk) 23:50, 5 September 2014 (UTC)