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The WikiProject Arena Football League newsletter Issue XIII — August 2009

Table of contents Project news Immediate work needed Usual needs crap that doesn't get done Newsletter news Current events SaberCats Extinct? Firbirds in Trouble? af2 Hall of Fame Transactions Notable af2 transactions Arena Football League Article Stats Project News Usual needs crap that doesn't get done Articles for the more popular and "star" players of the league need to be expanded, have citations added to them and hopefully we can get some GA's out of them. All articles on active players and coaches need to be updated with stats, news, and all things important. (Note: For stats it's best to use ArenaFan.) Please help in re-assessing articles, as well as expanding them. We need to get to work on it and get as much done as possible. Current events Source(s): ArenaFan.com, ArenaFootball.com, af2.com SaberCats Extinct? On July 2, the San Jose Mercury News reported that the San Jose SaberCats might fold. Firebirds in Trouble? On July 8, it was reported that the Albany Firebirds' future appears to be uncertain, due to less than stellar attendance. af2 Hall of Fame On July 17, it was announced that the af2 would induct the inagural class of the af2 Hall of Fame. The class will consist of 10 inductees, from five categories: Players, Coaches, Administrators (owners and front office), Officials and At-large/Contributors to the game. The criteria for player and coach nomination are that they must have played or coached for at least one season. The inaugural class will be announced during the lead-in week of ArenaCup10. Transactions Source(s): ArenaFootball.com Transactions, ArenaFan.com Transactions, af2 Transactions - Transactions News None Notable af2 transactions On July 8, the Kentucky Horsemen suspended FB/ LB Bernard Jackson. On July 10, the Rio Grande Valley Dorados activated OS Ramonce Taylor. On July 15, the Tri-Cities Fever activated OS Tremaine Kirkland from Injured reserve. On July 24, the Mahoning Valley Thunder placed WR/ DB C. J. Brewer on Injured Reservre. Arena Football League Article Stats Our goal is to get the number of Stub-Class articles down to 0, in due time. The current article count is listed below, I have placed the forumla that is on the project page that is updated everytime the bot is run and it tallies up our articles and where they are and lists them as seen below, so that no one has to worry about making sure it's updated manually before the newsletter is sent out. It would be greatly appreciated if anyone could help expand and/or source an article or two. A list is provided in the stub-class category of stub articles that need to be improved, and some should be fairly easy. Index · Statistics · Log Arena Football League pages by quality Quality Total Assessed 0 Total 0 Articles needing immediate attention

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Hope you had an exciting, relaxing, invigorating, and interesting holiday. DoubleBlue ( talk) 17:51, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, everything was great on the trip exfor except for flying back. Mainly because practically no one flys into Syracuse and the only flight (that I was supposed to be on Friday night) was cancelled Thursday night because of "weather". Other than that everything was good including switching airlines and going into Buffalo and driving in Saturday morning. Haha, hope you had a good week too.-- Giants27 ( c| s) 17:57, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Reasonably good. Saturday afternoon was very frustrating. DoubleBlue ( talk) 18:01, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Friday then was much better though. Haha :P-- Giants27 ( c| s) 18:08, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

DeAndra' Cobb is looking to be a really great story this year. You should check out the Drew Edwards story I added to the Further reading section of his article. DoubleBlue ( talk) 18:24, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

*Speechless*.-- Giants27 ( c| s) 18:39, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Another story I saw last week was the Stampeders kickers in a bloody fight at practice. You recall Burke Dales is the guy who aspired to NFL and agreed to Winnipeg but signed to Calgary and then wrote a blog mocking teammate Canadian Grey Cup MOP Sandro DeAngelis. I think there is a lot of tension in Stampeder-land. They had a shoving match between DBs during a game in week 4 and Nik Lewis seems to take a shot at fellow receivers in this week's blog. DoubleBlue ( talk) 18:59, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Haha, easily the funniest thing I've read in a while, what do they want to be both the K and P like Justin Medlock? Haha. And jeez, maybe that's why he's on reserve this week.-- Giants27 ( c| s) 19:13, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Lewis was a late scratch last week to allow more time to recover from an injury but he did play yesterday. DoubleBlue ( talk) 19:18, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Ahhh, okay that makes sense but I'm assuming Ryan and Copeland aren't too happy unless it's just "sibling rivalry".-- Giants27 ( c| s) 19:24, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Haha, I'll have to ask Byrne about that fight.► Chris Nelson ^Holla! 19:15, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

I feel like I need to respond but I don't know what to say, give me a minute.-- Giants27 ( c| s) 19:24, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Got it. I'm assuming he had a good view unless he was in the weight room or something. Haha-- Giants27 ( c| s) 19:25, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

How I wish we could put this pic on Prechae Rodriguez article! DoubleBlue ( talk) 21:09, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Wow! No kidding what a great picture/video. Why do basically all images have to be Copyrighted don't the know Wikipedia needs them. Haha-- Giants27 ( c| s) 21:21, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Maybe post a link to the photog's page http://www.ronscheffler.com/blog/?p=145 I don't know. It's just so pretty. DoubleBlue ( talk) 21:26, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

WP:OTRS?-- Giants27 ( c| s) 21:37, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

He's a professional sports photographer. I seriously doubt he would give up the rights to such sweet pics. They pay his rent, keep his wife, and feed his kids. DoubleBlue ( talk) 02:07, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Byrne's story on the fight was too funny! Not sure if I should tell it though...► Chris Nelson ^Holla! 01:52, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

You can't just say it was funny and not tell the story. Just do it.-- Giants27 ( c| s) 01:54, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

What's your email? I'd rather do that than put it out there on the net haha.► Chris Nelson ^Holla! 01:55, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

E-mail is in the bleacher report link at the top of the page.-- Giants27 ( c| s) 01:57, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

K, sent it to ya.► Chris Nelson ^Holla! 02:03, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Oh you tease you! DoubleBlue ( talk) 02:07, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

I hear that they have separated Dales and DeAngelis though. DoubleBlue ( talk) 02:09, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Haha! Hilarious, sounds like he got a pretty good view of the fight.-- Giants27 ( c| s) 02:09, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Yeah they moved the kicker's locker next to Byrne and they are no longer rooming on the road.► Chris Nelson ^Holla! 01:37, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Hey, I noticed you replaced some "People from (county/city), (state)" with "Players of American football from (state)". Here are examples of what I mean: [1] [2] [3]. Please discontinue doing that, as both should be included. While, for example, "Players of American football from Missouri" recurses "People from Missouri", it does not recurse "People from St. Louis, Missouri", so both should be included. Thanks. Strikehold ( talk) 21:17, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

No problem.-- Giants27 ( c| s) 21:18, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Yeah it's only the major primary category you'd leave out, not different sub-cats.► Chris Nelson ^Holla! 23:04, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

So you're saying that wait 30 minutes before editing the article. Just explain it to me in simpler terms. Thanks man I appreciate it. -- Saffi2k7 ( talk) 02:14, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Replied on your talk page.-- Giants27 ( c| s) 02:23, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice. Eagles247 ( talk) 20:01, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

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Replied.-- Giants27 ( c| s) 19:17, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

I am curious about the hook choice. Did you have a rationale?-- TonyTheTiger ( t/ c/ bio/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:LOTM) 02:40, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Not really but to me it was the best option available simply because it had the best hook into the article since it explains she won her first championship at 13.-- Giants27 ( c| s) 02:49, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

You may have a point. It is not the hook that would draw me to the article the best, but I see your point.-- TonyTheTiger ( t/ c/ bio/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:LOTM) 05:01, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Since you seem to be more involved in the CFL community here, I was wondering if you knew why do we still use two different infoboxes for CFL players? As far as I can tell, NFLactive includes all the necessary fields at this point.► Chris Nelson ^Holla! 21:24, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

As I understand it, it's all because with Template:Infobox Gridiron football person, you can just remove the team and number fields for retired players (kind of like Template:Infobox MLB player). However, I agree with both sides, it makes sense for retired players yet it's essentially the same but bigger. I'd be willing to change to the NFLactive infobox if the ability to remove the team and number fields are added.-- Giants27 ( c| s) 21:30, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Yeah I mean, it doesn't make sense to have different infoboxes unnecessarily. We should be able to use them across all leagues. I wonder the best way of going about it though...► Chris Nelson ^Holla! 21:32, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Probably being able to remove the team and number fields and allowing for the addition of coaching years/organizations.-- Giants27 ( c| s) 21:34, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

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I kind of feel like if we see someone undertaking a project, we shouldn't cut in the middle of it without talking to that person. Kind of the same idea as doing the player articles after transactions.► Chris Nelson ^Holla! 21:28, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Huh?-- Giants27 ( c| s) 21:30, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Like I was fixing up the Locomotives player pages, and you jumped in right at the next one I was going to do.► Chris Nelson ^Holla! 21:32, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Really? Hmm...my bad yeah didn't see you were working on it since none are on my watchlist.-- Giants27 ( c| s) 21:35, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Wouldn't it be a pretty big coincidence that you started doing the same thing I was doing, especially halfway down the roster where I'd left off (at the DTs)?► Chris Nelson ^Holla! 21:37, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Not really, considering I was working off the navbox and went with Wendell Bryant and Ezra Butler as they were the next two without navboxes (which I assumed someone created a while ago) and then with Teddy Lehman I accidentally clicked on him instead of Adam Bergen (who's right above him in the navbox).-- Giants27 ( c| s) 21:41, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Ah okay, thought you were going off the roster template, not the navbox. That makes sense.► Chris Nelson ^Holla! 21:42, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Hey, I just wanted to let you know my current plan with the UFL rosters and see if you're alright with it.

So far, only LV and NY have had press releases regarding signings, and I imagine they've held off on announcing more because of this week's unveiling of the team names and uniforms. I expect more formal announcements on signings in the next week or so.

Because the drafted players are not necessarily going to sign and play in the UFL, and the reports of player signings are kind of random and come from everywhere, I think it might be best to stick to the league's press releases regarding signings for now. While it's true that it's all verifiable, I think by keeping it strictly to league announcements for now, we can avoid any confusion and incorrect additions to the templates. What do you think?► Chris Nelson ^Holla! 20:58, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Not a bad idea. Mainly because every couple of days I'll see some report that some guy signed but it's coming from some message board, very strange so far. But, I'd agree that sticking to league announcements is the way to go to make sure everything is completely accurate.-- Giants27 ( c| s) 21:02, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Yeah the problem here is we had people add every drafted player to the template and added all the info to the players' articles. The problem with that is it was not a draft in the traditional sense, it was just a selection of players' rights should they choose to play in the league. Not all will.

But anyway, so far I've only seen a press releases about Las Vegas signing 19 (plus a mention of the Losman signing) and New York signing 19. I'm following UFL-Football.com and UFLAccess.com, plus their respective twitters for more announcements, so you could too if you want to keep an eye out.► Chris Nelson ^Holla! 21:06, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

As you said the other problem is that people added all the stuff to the player articles so afterwards if they don't sign then those articles are now wrong. And I'll watch those, thanks.-- Giants27 ( c| s) 21:16, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Yeah I guess what we can do there is, update/clean up the player articles as the signings are announced, and then once the league starts we could go though the draft list and fix any player articles of guys that ended up not signing if we choose.► Chris Nelson ^Holla! 21:36, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, good idea.-- Giants27 ( c| s) 21:42, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

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I'll start a full review on the talk page as soon as I get time. Expect me to begin tomorrow. Giants2008 ( 17–14) 23:48, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Started the review at Talk:Joey Hamilton. There is still quite a bit of work needed, so I decided to split the review into multiple parts. When these are done, I'll come back and look at most (if not all) of the rest. Giants2008 ( 17–14) 19:55, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

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Vick used it to visit clinics to treat herpes, as far as I know. It was a pretty popular story back in the day.► Chris Nelson ^Holla! 02:37, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Haha, really? How'd I miss that...-- Giants27 ( c| s) 02:37, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Yeah I dunno, it was a few years back, during his time with the Falcons. I think he got sued or something because some chick said he gave her herpes. It's probably on his page.► Chris Nelson ^Holla! 02:39, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Does every athlete give somebody herpes or some other STD? Haha.-- Giants27 ( c| s) 02:50, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Only Tom Brady.► Chris Nelson ^Holla! 02:52, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Roberto Alomar...-- Giants27 ( c| s) 02:53, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_3:7_(sign) David.snipes ( talk) 21:21, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Per WP:GNG, the article has "significant, non-trivial coverage", which without it, it would most likely be non-notable.-- Giants27 ( c| s) 21:31, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

I suppose. It's not WP:BLP1E but it's reminiscent. DoubleBlue ( talk) 21:40, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

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Okay, thanks for the tip. Eagles24/7 23:06, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

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EncycloPetey ( talk) 04:01, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

What do intend to do about it? A deletion review? The decision has been made, and though I hadn't seen the discussion till I noticed a removal notice link somewhere today, I'm reluctantly inclined to agree. Categories are not supposed to be temporary states but defining characteristics of the subject. DoubleBlue ( talk) 21:57, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

No, but doing that is drastic to stretch it all over to every such category since the discussion was about one not all, feel free to open a CfD.-- Giants27 ( c| s) 22:09, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

They are identical situations. How can we remove the call to NFL Free agents but not CFL Free agents and prospects unless you disagree with the decision? If you want, I will CfD the CFL free agents and broadcast the CfD more widely for discussion because I don't think any football people knew it was going on. DoubleBlue ( talk) 22:16, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Go ahead, I might actually say delete, but what I wanted is to see more than one person vote delete and then it's closed.-- Giants27 ( c| s) 22:35, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

I agree with you there. I'm surprised that there was no notification given except on the category page itself. DoubleBlue ( talk) 22:40, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

I have nominated Category:Canadian Football League free agents ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs) for deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at the discussion page. Thank you. DoubleBlue ( talk) 17:25, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Oh my god, I'm stunned! :) Did you really have to notify the creator of the category, when I said you could/should nominate it? Haha.-- Giants27 ( c| s) 17:29, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Ha. Ha. Thought you should know the deed was done. :-) BTW, my internet has been spotty lately so forgive me if my communication is poor or delayed. DoubleBlue ( talk) 17:44, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Your computer shutting down everyday and then tells you there was a serious error too? Haha.-- Giants27 ( c| s) 18:57, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

No, the connection is just going on and off, on and off. Really annoying. I'd like to blame the recent tornado near here but I think it started just before that. :-/ DoubleBlue ( talk) 21:15, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Wireless? If so call your cable company as the same thing was happening to mine but turned out the router could only handle one system instead of two.-- Giants27 ( c| s) 21:18, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

I don't particularly feel like getting into it at the moment and my connection issues continue (I'm investigating your tip) but Da'shawn Thomas brings up another issue. I think all notable football players can have the same infobox. In his case particularly since he's played pro but any player could have the same infobox. Also, from a Canadian perspective, until the 1950s, universities were able to challenge for the Grey Cup. DoubleBlue ( talk) 00:22, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Are you talking about the infobox change? If so, I did that because "Western Ontario Mustangs" is compatible with it and plus all the info such as him playing with the Georgia Generals and being a member of the Argos are in there so I figured why not.-- Giants27 ( c| s) 00:35, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I mean all gridiron football players could use the same infobox: pro, CIS, college. DoubleBlue ( talk) 20:31, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Wouldn't be hard to do, considering all you have to do is copy the colors from Template:CollegePrimaryColor and the like to Template:NFLPrimaryColor and the like.-- Giants27 ( c| s) 20:52, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

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The infobox comment goes along with a comment to Chris that I made a while ago that I thought was apropos but turned out to be out of the blue: The "College" line might be changed to something like "Last amateur team". That would cover all possible situations of how a person comes into pro sports and is clear about what is expected to find in the link. You wouldn't need separate parameters for CIS, high school, or other. Something to chew on. I've been chewing on the thought for a while without doing anything about it. DoubleBlue ( talk) 20:28, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

I don't know if I like it because amateur can mean a lot of things (Pop Warner comes to mind).-- Giants27 ( c| s) 20:51, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

If they are drafted by a team out of Pop Warner, then that should be there. DoubleBlue ( talk) 21:01, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Haha, that would be priceless; some teenage kid getting drafted by the NFL, impossible.-- Giants27 ( c| s) 21:02, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Putting CFL in there doesn't make sense. They're just free agents.► Chris Nelson ^Holla! 21:55, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

I did that a while ago...-- Giants27 ( c| s) 22:00, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Okay, I just didn't know if it was your common practice or what. So you don't do it anymore?► Chris Nelson ^Holla! 22:02, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

When Category:Canadian Football League free agents and Category:National Football League free agents were up, if they weren't going to be deleted I'd still be doing it since some players who never played in the NFL had the NFLactive infobox so it didn't make sense to do it the usual way.-- Giants27 ( c| s) 22:04, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Oh okay. Yeah that's not a very good solution to that problem, since things like "CFL free agent" don't make sense. I'm not even sure those categories need to exist anyway.► Chris Nelson ^Holla! 22:08, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

There's currently a CfD for the CFL one and the NFL one as you can tell has already been deleted.-- Giants27 ( c| s) 22:12, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

You don't need to do a null edit with the guy's full name if he's already done it with the last name. At least in the case of Datish, where there's no one else in the league with that last name. If we go into the history and CTRL-F and start typing in datish, we're gonna find it. I'd only do it if it were a common name, like williams or smith.► Chris Nelson ^Holla! 00:45, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

I did it for people like me who type in the whole name, not just the last name since I expect to find him under his full name.-- Giants27 ( c| s) 00:46, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Oh. Well it's kind of a waste of an edit to make a null edit when it's not really necessary, so you should probably just search by last name.► Chris Nelson ^Holla! 01:00, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Infobox looks pretty good. A few things:

• How are the numbers/team doing to work for retired guys?
• Can you add ufl and af2 stats?
• I removed the AFL stat year because the league is now defunct, so that way we don't have to keep changing years in guys' infoboxes (through 2008, though 2009, etc.) If it ever comes back, we could change it back. We need to nowiki thing there so the section header shows up though.► Chris Nelson ^Holla! 02:20, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

I can't figure it out, but why does Rob Bironas have a big space at the top? Something to do with his infobox...► Chris Nelson ^Holla! 02:38, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Damn, what the heck is up with that? No other page has that right?-- Giants27 ( c| s) 02:39, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Terrell Maze does too, but not as big of one...wtf?► Chris Nelson ^Holla! 02:40, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Tearrius George too...► Chris Nelson ^Holla! 02:40, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

It's the UFL and af2 stats, Samson Satele, too...-- Giants27 ( c| s) 02:41, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

I see that...weird...► Chris Nelson ^Holla! 02:42, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Not sure why it did that, it's the same code as all the others...-- Giants27 ( c| s) 02:44, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Is the space getting bigger depending on which league stats are being used? This is weird.► Chris Nelson ^Holla! 02:54, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

I think so, the AFL has no whitespace, the CFL has a small amount and the NFL has the biggest, really weird...-- Giants27 ( c| s) 02:59, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Yeah I don't know why that would be...► Chris Nelson ^Holla! 03:00, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

I'm gonna remove the statseason thing and see if that's it.-- Giants27 ( c| s) 03:04, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Think we need an expert...► Chris Nelson ^Holla! 03:08, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Yeah. Help desk or the helpme template?-- Giants27 ( c| s) 03:11, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

{{ helpme}}

Hahah did DoubleBlue just fix it?► Chris Nelson ^Holla! 03:24, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Erm. Not sure what you are asking for help with; I've read the above, but I can't see any specific problems. I see thhat another comment has been added, so...is it fixed now? If so, please remove the helpme. If not, please could you give clear info, ie which article and which part is incorrect. Thanks,  Chzz   ►  03:27, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

The problem has almost been fixed. There is a small white space at the top of a player's article if he has the NFL stats fields. See Ernest Wilford. Someone without them (or with another league's stat fields like Terrell Maze) doesn't have the space. We need to eliminate the space.► Chris Nelson ^Holla! 03:41, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

I believe it's corrected now. DoubleBlue ( talk) 03:48, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Seems right. Good job!► Chris Nelson ^Holla! 04:03, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

What did you do to fix it?-- Giants27 ( c| s) 12:45, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Please don't interrupt someone doing a list of edits, you're causing conflicts. Pats1 and I always let one person take the PFW edits when they begin it.► Chris Nelson ^Holla! 14:26, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

You started? Sorry, we must've saw them at the same time.-- Giants27 ( c| s) 14:27, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Oh I guess you started from today. I went chronologically, since they updated the last three days.

Also, you're missing some transactions so make sure you get them all, otherwise we have to go back over it again.► Chris Nelson ^Holla! 14:29, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Ah yeah, looked right over them.-- Giants27 ( c| s) 14:31, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Yeah even if you think one's been done, it's best just to go to each template and make sure.► Chris Nelson ^Holla! 14:32, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

On August 26, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Quincy Monk, which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits your article got while on the front page ( here's how) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 11:08, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

There is no policy against multiple infoboxes. They are common. See Jim Bunning, Bill Bradley, Jon Burge, Rob Pelinka, etc.-- TonyTheTiger ( t/ c/ bio/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:LOTM) 15:38, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

I know that, however there is no reason to have it. His college jersey number, the college he attended, his collegiate position etc. are covered in the text. While with the changes to the NFLactive infobox, his high school can be listed there. Thus, there's no use for the second infobox.-- Giants27 ( c| s) 15:46, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

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