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Hey, I realize my !vote was way outnumbered in that AfD but I do think my argument could've been considered by others for a bit longer so I think a relist would also have been appropriate. The NPSORT guidelines, which supersede individual SSGs like NOLY, do explicitly require GNG sourcing be demonstrated and none of the keeps had rebutted this or provided sources. Thanks, JoelleJay ( talk) 17:37, 5 September 2021 (UTC)

@ JoelleJay, I hear your concern, but the the WP:NSPORT guideline does say in the opening paragraph that the article should meet either it or the GNG. And clearly the other contributors to the AfD felt that it met this guideline and therefore did not need to meet the GNG as well (or perhaps more accurately, that it met the NSPORT guideline and therefore we can presume that sources exist sufficient for it to meet the GNG, even if they can't be found). Regardless of your interpretation of these subject-specific guidelines, at the end of the day it's up to the discussion at AfD whether the article gets deleted, and in this particular case you were outnumbered. I don't believe that would change if the discussion were relisted, but you're welcome to take this to DRV if you disagree. – bradv 🍁 23:16, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
Yeah, that paragraph regularly trips people up (although I'll point out that the first sentence does mention a sport-specific guideline serves only as a predictor of GNG and implies an article is only warranted if GNG is met). However, the FAQs for NSPORT (collapsed at the top of the page) clarify the "GNG or SNG" sentence is solely in regards to proving there is a claim to notability to prevent quick deletion/rejection from AfC, but that the presumption of notability is still rebuttable:

Q5: The second sentence in the guideline says "The article must provide reliable sources showing that the subject meets the general notability guideline or the sport specific criteria set forth below." Does this mean that the general notability guideline doesn't have to be met?
A5: No; as per Q1 and Q2, eventually sources must be provided showing that the general notability guideline is met. This sentence is just emphasizing that the article must always cite reliable sources to support a claim of meeting Wikipedia's notability standards, whether it is the criteria set by the sports-specific notability guidelines, or the general notability guideline.

I think Randykitty explains it well in this close. Some of this stems from a 2017 RfC that established a strong consensus that GNG supersedes NSPORT, but there have been a lot of AfDs in the last year or so where this has been specifically reiterated by the closer. Since I participated in the recent discussions for tightening up the NCRIC guideline most of the examples that come to mind are of cricketers, but the following closers all essentially affirm that NSPORT in general is not sufficient if GNG isn't met: Dennis Brown at Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Shahid_Ilyas, Nosebagbear at Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Qaiser_Iqbal, Sandstein at Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Tariq_Hafeez and Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Prateek_Sinha, Barkeep49 at Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Mohammad_Laeeq, Randykitty at Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Salman_Saeed_(2nd_nomination), Black Kite at Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Obaidullah_Sarwar; see also the discussions here, here (particularly PMC's comment), and here on footballers.
I wouldn't take this to DRV since I think the close was correct given the !votes—and while I feel a relist would have been acceptable as well I don't actually expect you to reopen it. But given your reasonable closes on a lot of other AfDs I wondered if maybe you just hadn't come across the FAQs before. Regards! JoelleJay ( talk) 00:29, 6 September 2021 (UTC)
@ JoelleJay, what do you think of Eastmain's !vote asserting that there must be coverage in Argentinian newspapers from this period? If someone were to locate this coverage, that would satisfy the GNG, right? – bradv 🍁 00:57, 6 September 2021 (UTC)
Oh absolutely, even just a very strong indication that Argentine gymnasts at that level in that time period are covered significantly I think that would be sufficient (for the time being -- it's reasonable to give editors a chance to find difficult sources, but per Q5 it shouldn't be indefinite). But no one in the AfD actually demonstrated this was the case or even provided the names of inaccessible newspapers etc. that might have such coverage. JoelleJay ( talk) 01:09, 6 September 2021 (UTC)

Wet market reverts

You can go to google maps and check where is: 中国疾病预防控制中心 (Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention) and where is 武汉华南海鲜批发市场 (Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market) https://www.google.com/maps/dir/%E6%AD%A6%E6%B1%89%E9%93%81%E8%B7%AF%E7%96%BE%E7%97%85%E9%A2%84%E9%98%B2%E6%8E%A7%E5%88%B6%E4%B8%AD%E5%BF%83+China,+Hubei,+Wuhan,+Jianghan+District,+%E9%93%B6%E5%A2%A9%E8%B7%AF/Wuhan+South+China+Seafood+Wholesale+Market,+Jianghan+Qu,+Wuhan+Shi,+Hubei+Sheng,+China/@30.6165951,114.2498213,18z/data=!4m14!4m13!1m5!1m1!1s0x342eaead9401f3a9:0x4cb66b62e4dfa018!2m2!1d114.249637!2d30.615771!1m5!1m1!1s0x342ea94ab99e2bfd:0x5ba9b4b6604c943d!2m2!1d114.2616875!2d30.6177919!3e2?hl=en Then remove the reverts you did in articles related to Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention and Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market. Cambr5 ( talk) 06:59, 6 September 2021 (UTC)

Edits to 20 July plot by above editor

Point of clarification for Bradv: Did the above user's edit to 20 July plot ( [1]) violate the 500/30 rule of the Antisemitism in Poland ArbCom decision? I was unsure. I also thought the edit was an improvement. And of course, if the restriction did apply, I would expect only a warning to be in order. Thanks for any help. —  Shibbolethink ( ) 14:57, 6 September 2021 (UTC)

Actions of editor: Shibbolethink

Interesting: the editor above is very dedicated to deleting any mention that the Wuhan wet-market is very close to the Chinese CDC building. Since I did not want to change the actual article text, I made a comment on the talk page. In the talk page, they demanded that I add a primary and secondary source - so I mentioned how Google maps could be a primary source and the article in WSJ ( https://www.wsj.com/articles/coronavirus-and-the-laboratories-in-wuhan-11587486996 ) a secondary source -> and did not receive any response about primary source. Instead the user went to my user page ( /info/en/?search=User_talk:Cambr5 ) and tried to make an impression that they are a Wikipedia administrator - isn't it against Wikipedia rules to try to give an "administrative ruling" when someone is not an administrator? But this is not all, the user is dedicated so hard to "guarding" the Wuhan article that they seem to have gone through every edit I made, trying to find some sort of "dirt" on me. Then they provide some generic comments that some of my other edits are "perhaps" breaking rules without pointing anything out - what looks like some sort of an intimidation tactic. Is the user above trying to bully me by impersonating an administrator? Of course, if they did, I would expect to all their other roles to be removed. Who can judge that? Arbitration Committee? For me it is quite clear that they will go at any length to delete any mention of the proximity of those two places - what sounds like some sort of a bias. Consequently I request help of an actual administrator. Can you please can point me to the proper place who can investigate the actions of user Shibbolethink? Cambr5 ( talk) 16:21, 6 September 2021 (UTC)

to clarify, I have never asked you to use a primary source, I have told you that primary sources are not suitable for this type of statement [2]. The same is true of the WSJ article, which is an WP:OPINION piece and likewise not suitable for statements of fact [3]. These are not typically the types of sources we use on wikipedia. You do not need both a primary and secondary source, you only need a secondary source that is reliable. However, we also need to establish the content is WP:DUE. We already discuss the proximity of the wet market and the WIV in these articles, in sentences I have quoted to you already [4] [5]. We simply do not state the exact distance, given discrepancies in how distances are measured, who is reporting it, and whether we are stating "as the crow flies" or "as the dog walks." Why should we also mention the Chinese CDC? We would need a reliable secondary source for that component of it. Why should we specifically mention the exact distance from that source? I am sorry if you took my Ds/alert to mean that I am an administrator. I am not, and it is not meant in this way. Many users of all kinds add these notices (not just administrators), and these notices do not indicate there is necessarily anything wrong with your edits. The alert simply communicates to you that enhanced rules apply to more contentious topic areas that have been brought to the arbitration committee, and the committee (on which Bradv sits) determines that these areas require the enhanced discretionary sanctions. —  Shibbolethink ( ) 16:52, 6 September 2021 (UTC)
@ Cambr5, Shibbolethink is not an administrator, and doesn't need to be to leave you this notice. And, as has already been explained to you, we do not use opinion pieces to support statements of fact. If you want to include certain information in an article, you need to properly source that information and be able to explain to other editors why you want to add this information, and how it fits in with proper encyclopedic coverage of the topic. Perhaps you might find it helpful to gain experience writing in less contentious topic areas while you learn how to contribute to this encyclopedia. Neither of the topics mentioned above are suitable for a beginner. – bradv 🍁 17:06, 6 September 2021 (UTC)

Hi Bradv, I note you closed this AfD as "No Consensus". I'm still learning about how AfDs get closed and what I though I'd figured out (and how it was explained to me) doesn't quite match what I thought this close would be (hope that makes sense). Clearly I'm missing something else. Can you explain how you got to your decision? By way of background, it was explained that a closer takes a pass to reject !votes that were made in bad faith or nonsensical, etc, after that it essentially becomes a head count because anything else like "preferring one argument over another" is a supervote (I'm paraphrasing). Here it was 7-3 to Delete so I thought that should result in a Delete. Thanks. HighKing ++ 20:19, 6 September 2021 (UTC)

@ HighKing, I'm rereading that discussion and I still don't see a consensus to delete the article. Of the four keep votes, three reference the existence of Norwegian sources that are difficult to obtain, and one references improvements in sourcing made during the course of the AfD. The six delete votes on the other hand (with the notable exception of yours) are more concerned with whether such sources are already in the article, and not whether additional sources to satisfy NCORP are available. However, if you think that a consensus to delete the article is possible with another relist, I'm willing to give it a try. But I suspect it's equally likely that consensus may develop the other way. Let me know what you think. – bradv 🍁 00:48, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
Hi Bradv, thanks for that - I'll leave it to you, if your analysis is a "no consensus" that's fine by me. I'm grateful for your detailed response and a "look behind the curtain" so to speak, thank you. HighKing ++ 10:49, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

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Request still needs help

Good day Bradv, please kindly go through Nick Moyes talk page to understand better. -- Kikilap4 ( talk) 00:46, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

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Page move request

Good day Bradv,

Please can you help me out, I need to move/merge the page of Slimcase (musician) to Slimcase (singer)-- Kikilap4 ( talk) 06:41, 5 September 2021 (UTC)

both pages should be merge with the name Slimcase (musician)-- Kikilap4 ( talk) 06:43, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
@ Kikilap4: I checked out the edit history of both articles, and I'm afraid yours entered mainspace second. So I have made it into a redirect to Slimcase (singer), and you are now free to merge content that you created into that article. Once that's done, you can gain consensus to rename the article. But this way gives you more time, as I've rejected the request for speedy deletion, and your work can be found in the edit history. Sorry about that. Nick Moyes ( talk) 20:27, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
@ Nick Moyes, thank you. I'm not sure why I was asked about this, but I agree with your approach. – bradv 🍁 23:09, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
bradv good day! I represent A-navigation Promotion Centre MARINET RUT. We have placed the draft Autonomous and remote navigation trial project ( /info/en/?search=Draft:Autonomous_and_Remote_Navigation_Trial_Project) based at the information from the site of our organization - www.a-nav.org. Actually, we have send a permission letter. It was send on 24 August 2021 from alexander.pinskiy@a-nav.org (the e-mail of the Director of the a-Navigaton Promotion Centre MARINET RUT). May i ask you to check this information and recover the Draft, as you have deleted it? Actually, we are ready to correct anything in the article. Thank you in advance. Виктория Шмыговская ( talk) 04:41, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

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Contact with editors who have a bad history with the deceased and extrapolating that on to me

Hi. Back in August, you reverted a message posted to my talk page. [6] This led me to an admin forum page where I commented on the accusation made against me. I've no other defense than what I've said. Whatever resemblance I bear to the deceased, I'm not her. So how should I deal with things like that and this [7] going forward? I commented on it back in August, [8] saying, "Doing my own research, I now understand why the user who filed the ArbCom case against Flyer22 Frozen posted to my talk page and to Nowearskirts's talk page. [9] [10] The people making these claims apparently held a grudge against the deceased party, and I think there's some cause for concern about bad-faith coordination between these parties. From what I glean from the brother's talk page and SMcCandlish's post in this discussion, Crossroads and SMcCandlish know things we don't." You said, "Those who persist in inappropriate speculation in order to defame another editor (or the memory of an editor) are in violation of our anti-harassment policies and should be dealt with accordingly." [11]

It's my understanding that even if I needed the standard notice this user placed on my talk page, it should not have been placed by this specific user when considering their history (accusations of harassment, etc.) with the deceased user. When, today, I looked into the editor who added the SPI tag to my talk page, I saw that they are continuing along these lines as well. [12] [13]

I apologize if this is something best left to email discussion. GBFEE ( talk) 23:37, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

The parties in question have had way more than enough warnings about this in particular, and on top of that we already have a general principle that it's a WP:AGF/ WP:CIVIL failure to go around accusing someone of being a sock or sockmaster without evidence. Either they have what it takes for a WP:SSP filing, or they need to drop the stick. Since they clearly won't drop the stick, it needs to be taken away from them firmly. Poisoning the ArbCom election well with this shit is right out of bounds, as Fæ learned the hard way last year when they tried the exact same crap, over the same trans- activism issue, in the same venue.  —  SMcCandlish ¢ 😼  11:27, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
@ GBFEE, that second notice is just an alert about discretionary sanctions, routinely issued to anyone who edits in affected topic areas. That shouldn't be interpreted as any sort of accusation or harassment (although I understand that it can come across that way, especially if you have a history). – bradv 🍁 14:04, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
Thanks, SMcCandlish; Bradv. I've read what the standard notice says and I've picked up on it being routinely issued to anyone who edits in affected topic areas. That's fine. My concern remains. Bradv, as I'm not the deceased party, I don't have a history with this user. I have reviewed the history between this user and the deceased editor. At the time this user supposedly welcomed me, they were welcoming users they suspected to be the deceased editor. It is observable with the example at User talk:Raining Parade. [14]. Sometime after I was accused, I was able to discuss the deceased user's history with a few editors, and they confirmed this was happening. This user was invasive to Raining Parade, asking the user to reveal their IP. When they supposedly welcomed me, [15] they wanted to know why I asked for a welcome template. I responded, finding their question very odd, [16] because all I did was ask for a welcome template and this user, who doesn't edit much at all currently or edit the subjects I edit, appeared just to ask me that. When they welcomed Raining Parade, Raining Parade had already been welcomed. And when they supposedly welcomed me, I'd already been welcomed. It appears, as I've discussed with others, they believe I was asking for a welcome template to avoid them posting to my talk page. If that's what they believe, then it says a lot that the user posted to my talk page anyway. They also posted a standard notice to Nowearskirts's talk page [17] for their very first edit in August after not editing for several days. Nowearskirts found it to have come out of the blue and wondered why the user hadn't also given the standard notice to Willibord. [18] It certainly seems that Willibord was more in need of the standard notice than Nowearskirts. A few days later, Nowearskirts and I were accused of being the deceased editor. Nowearskirts had Johnuniq and Liz to help them through that, but that editor hasn't returned to edit since.
I believe that because the user who added the standard notice to my talk page believes me to be the deceased user, and they hadn't edited much before adding it and could have added it much earlier, and they'd just commented on an IP address who accused them of additional accounts a few days earlier, [19] the standard notice was not a well-meaning notification. It was a misplaced retaliation for something that has nothing to do with me. So I feel harassed by this user because they seem to believe me to be the deceased editor they have a bad history with and are targeting me because of that. I don't edit the subjects this user edits, and I won't be editing those gender-heavy topics, and so I don't expect to interact with this user much, if at all. If contact with this user continues despite this, what was said here [20] might be in order. These attempts at intimidation to keep me from editing articles the deceased user edited only make me more interested in the work the deceased did, such as shepherding the gender differences in suicide article.
I have email enabled, but I have it set to where no one can email me because I'm concerned about receiving harassment. So if anything needs to be discussed by email, I want it known that I can be reached by email. I just have to initiate the email. Thanks. GBFEE ( talk) 19:20, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
@ GBFEE, I'm certainly sorry you feel this way, but this was a routine message and I think you may be reading too much into it. If you continue to feel targeted please let me know (either here or by email), but at the moment I don't see anything that needs to be addressed. – bradv 🍁 22:07, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
@GBFEE: Wikipedia is part of the internet and that means it is inhabited by all kinds of people, good and bad. Please contribute to whatever articles you choose with the only provisos being to not edit war and to engage with discussions on talk pages. I'm less busy than Bradv so you might try contacting me first if problems arise. I might not respond immediately but I will investigate any issue. In particular, any further attempts to misuse the name of the deceased person will lead to blocks. Johnuniq ( talk) 01:08, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Notability and BLP

o reason has been given why this highly-recognized industrial and academic scientist should not be considered notable. The references in many publications, including the Wall Street Journal are surely an indication. By itself, award of the Barbados Barbados Gold Crown of Merit award should be enough. -- Zeamays ( talk) 22:26, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Replied at Talk:Ken R. Harewood. – bradv 🍁 22:39, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Thriller Records

Hello, I had created a Wikipedia Page for Bob Beckers new label called Thriller Records - he is also the founder of Fearless Records. It was deleted and I'm not sure why or how we can bring this back online. I used similar coding and linked to press articles from very reputable media articles such as alternative press. If you could help that would be super appreciated. I know a lot of people use Wikipedia to keep up with the current roster of the label. Thank you! -- Nickm0110 ( talk) 20:34, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

I deleted it because it was spam. Please don't use Wikipedia to advertise. – bradv 🍁 00:28, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

This is not spam? This is a very legitimate record label founded by notable people in the industry. Both of the founders have Wikipedia pages for their other labels so I'm confused why this would be considered spam? What was created was templated after their other record labels. Every artist on the label has a wikipedia page as well? What am I missing here? -- Nickm0110 ( talk) 01:26, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

Sadhbh O'Neill

Related conversation: User talk:Tzq99#Managing a conflict of interest

Thanks for the note. I'm not sure what you mean by the conflict of interest, none of those categories apply to me. I thought the material was well sourced from reliable sources, can you suggest what else is needed? Tzq99 ( talk) 16:58, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

@ Tzq99: It appears from your edits that you have some sort of relationship with Sadhbh O'Neill, which is why I left you that message. What is your connection? – bradv 🍁 17:11, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
@ Bradv: I don't have any, though I'm interested in more obscure election results and details and am aware of her. I noticed that she is running in an upcoming election and has no page despite the fact that apparently less prominent candidates do. Tzq99 ( talk) 17:38, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
@ Bradv:I would point you to the pages for Tom Clonan and Hugo MacNeill (rugby union), who are other declared candidates in the same election. Unlike O'Neill, neither of them have ever been elected to any public office, neither have a more notable academic career than O'Neill, neither of them have been in the public eye to a greater extent than O'Neill and the only MacNeill has a modest amateur sporting record. It is well established that there is a huge imbalance in the number of males v females who have wiki biographies, and with candidates in this election, it is remarkable that the most notable of these three is a) the one who has no bio and b) the one who is female. I know that you are trying to keep wiki balanced, but I think that in this instance balance favours inclusion. Tzq99 ( talk) 17:52, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
The relevant notability criteria is at WP:NPOLITICIAN. Candidates for office are not usually notable until they are elected, unless they are already notable for other reasons. – bradv 🍁 17:55, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
@ Bradv: Brad, please have regard for what I wrote. She has been elected to public office previously, and male candidates in the current election who have not been elected and don't have any other notability criteria that she does not have, each have extensive wiki pages. This is really not a good look from a sexism point for wiki. Tzq99 ( talk) 17:59, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year

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Merry Christmas 2021

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Ishac Bertran

Hi Bradv! Will you restore the contents of the Ishac Bertran page to a draft? It was work a student did for my class through Wiki Education, and I haven't had a chance to review it. I apologize if it read as too promotional, I will clean it up in the draft as I review. Thanks -- AmeliaMN ( talk) 16:38, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

@ AmeliaMN: I can email the deleted content to you if you like, but I would prefer not to restore spam. – bradv 🍁 21:44, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

Numelon

Merry Christmas, Bradv!
Could I please retrieve the deleted contents of Numelon which was marked as spam for "advertising"?
Thanks. -- RDSRichy ( talk) 20:17, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

Not done per Special:Permalink/1063592183#Numelon. – bradv 🍁 21:46, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

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Hi Bradv, thanks for writing this powerful gadget. I noticed when I expand a revision, the link/template will become clickable - that is really great but I found some problem that I failed to jump to that page the link provided. For example, in this history view when expanding the first revision, I found the link become something like User_talk:<del_class="diffchange_diffchange-inline">Example</del>. Could you please have a look and fix it? Thanks! Stang 20:05, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

@ Stang, yeah the clickable diffs part is not working 100% yet. This is on my todo list. – bradv 🍁 20:14, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
That's great, looking forward to seeing the repair soon. Stang 20:22, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

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Jorge Soler close

Hey, I realize my !vote was way outnumbered in that AfD but I do think my argument could've been considered by others for a bit longer so I think a relist would also have been appropriate. The NPSORT guidelines, which supersede individual SSGs like NOLY, do explicitly require GNG sourcing be demonstrated and none of the keeps had rebutted this or provided sources. Thanks, JoelleJay ( talk) 17:37, 5 September 2021 (UTC)

@ JoelleJay, I hear your concern, but the the WP:NSPORT guideline does say in the opening paragraph that the article should meet either it or the GNG. And clearly the other contributors to the AfD felt that it met this guideline and therefore did not need to meet the GNG as well (or perhaps more accurately, that it met the NSPORT guideline and therefore we can presume that sources exist sufficient for it to meet the GNG, even if they can't be found). Regardless of your interpretation of these subject-specific guidelines, at the end of the day it's up to the discussion at AfD whether the article gets deleted, and in this particular case you were outnumbered. I don't believe that would change if the discussion were relisted, but you're welcome to take this to DRV if you disagree. – bradv 🍁 23:16, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
Yeah, that paragraph regularly trips people up (although I'll point out that the first sentence does mention a sport-specific guideline serves only as a predictor of GNG and implies an article is only warranted if GNG is met). However, the FAQs for NSPORT (collapsed at the top of the page) clarify the "GNG or SNG" sentence is solely in regards to proving there is a claim to notability to prevent quick deletion/rejection from AfC, but that the presumption of notability is still rebuttable:

Q5: The second sentence in the guideline says "The article must provide reliable sources showing that the subject meets the general notability guideline or the sport specific criteria set forth below." Does this mean that the general notability guideline doesn't have to be met?
A5: No; as per Q1 and Q2, eventually sources must be provided showing that the general notability guideline is met. This sentence is just emphasizing that the article must always cite reliable sources to support a claim of meeting Wikipedia's notability standards, whether it is the criteria set by the sports-specific notability guidelines, or the general notability guideline.

I think Randykitty explains it well in this close. Some of this stems from a 2017 RfC that established a strong consensus that GNG supersedes NSPORT, but there have been a lot of AfDs in the last year or so where this has been specifically reiterated by the closer. Since I participated in the recent discussions for tightening up the NCRIC guideline most of the examples that come to mind are of cricketers, but the following closers all essentially affirm that NSPORT in general is not sufficient if GNG isn't met: Dennis Brown at Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Shahid_Ilyas, Nosebagbear at Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Qaiser_Iqbal, Sandstein at Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Tariq_Hafeez and Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Prateek_Sinha, Barkeep49 at Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Mohammad_Laeeq, Randykitty at Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Salman_Saeed_(2nd_nomination), Black Kite at Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Obaidullah_Sarwar; see also the discussions here, here (particularly PMC's comment), and here on footballers.
I wouldn't take this to DRV since I think the close was correct given the !votes—and while I feel a relist would have been acceptable as well I don't actually expect you to reopen it. But given your reasonable closes on a lot of other AfDs I wondered if maybe you just hadn't come across the FAQs before. Regards! JoelleJay ( talk) 00:29, 6 September 2021 (UTC)
@ JoelleJay, what do you think of Eastmain's !vote asserting that there must be coverage in Argentinian newspapers from this period? If someone were to locate this coverage, that would satisfy the GNG, right? – bradv 🍁 00:57, 6 September 2021 (UTC)
Oh absolutely, even just a very strong indication that Argentine gymnasts at that level in that time period are covered significantly I think that would be sufficient (for the time being -- it's reasonable to give editors a chance to find difficult sources, but per Q5 it shouldn't be indefinite). But no one in the AfD actually demonstrated this was the case or even provided the names of inaccessible newspapers etc. that might have such coverage. JoelleJay ( talk) 01:09, 6 September 2021 (UTC)

Wet market reverts

You can go to google maps and check where is: 中国疾病预防控制中心 (Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention) and where is 武汉华南海鲜批发市场 (Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market) https://www.google.com/maps/dir/%E6%AD%A6%E6%B1%89%E9%93%81%E8%B7%AF%E7%96%BE%E7%97%85%E9%A2%84%E9%98%B2%E6%8E%A7%E5%88%B6%E4%B8%AD%E5%BF%83+China,+Hubei,+Wuhan,+Jianghan+District,+%E9%93%B6%E5%A2%A9%E8%B7%AF/Wuhan+South+China+Seafood+Wholesale+Market,+Jianghan+Qu,+Wuhan+Shi,+Hubei+Sheng,+China/@30.6165951,114.2498213,18z/data=!4m14!4m13!1m5!1m1!1s0x342eaead9401f3a9:0x4cb66b62e4dfa018!2m2!1d114.249637!2d30.615771!1m5!1m1!1s0x342ea94ab99e2bfd:0x5ba9b4b6604c943d!2m2!1d114.2616875!2d30.6177919!3e2?hl=en Then remove the reverts you did in articles related to Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention and Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market. Cambr5 ( talk) 06:59, 6 September 2021 (UTC)

Edits to 20 July plot by above editor

Point of clarification for Bradv: Did the above user's edit to 20 July plot ( [1]) violate the 500/30 rule of the Antisemitism in Poland ArbCom decision? I was unsure. I also thought the edit was an improvement. And of course, if the restriction did apply, I would expect only a warning to be in order. Thanks for any help. —  Shibbolethink ( ) 14:57, 6 September 2021 (UTC)

Actions of editor: Shibbolethink

Interesting: the editor above is very dedicated to deleting any mention that the Wuhan wet-market is very close to the Chinese CDC building. Since I did not want to change the actual article text, I made a comment on the talk page. In the talk page, they demanded that I add a primary and secondary source - so I mentioned how Google maps could be a primary source and the article in WSJ ( https://www.wsj.com/articles/coronavirus-and-the-laboratories-in-wuhan-11587486996 ) a secondary source -> and did not receive any response about primary source. Instead the user went to my user page ( /info/en/?search=User_talk:Cambr5 ) and tried to make an impression that they are a Wikipedia administrator - isn't it against Wikipedia rules to try to give an "administrative ruling" when someone is not an administrator? But this is not all, the user is dedicated so hard to "guarding" the Wuhan article that they seem to have gone through every edit I made, trying to find some sort of "dirt" on me. Then they provide some generic comments that some of my other edits are "perhaps" breaking rules without pointing anything out - what looks like some sort of an intimidation tactic. Is the user above trying to bully me by impersonating an administrator? Of course, if they did, I would expect to all their other roles to be removed. Who can judge that? Arbitration Committee? For me it is quite clear that they will go at any length to delete any mention of the proximity of those two places - what sounds like some sort of a bias. Consequently I request help of an actual administrator. Can you please can point me to the proper place who can investigate the actions of user Shibbolethink? Cambr5 ( talk) 16:21, 6 September 2021 (UTC)

to clarify, I have never asked you to use a primary source, I have told you that primary sources are not suitable for this type of statement [2]. The same is true of the WSJ article, which is an WP:OPINION piece and likewise not suitable for statements of fact [3]. These are not typically the types of sources we use on wikipedia. You do not need both a primary and secondary source, you only need a secondary source that is reliable. However, we also need to establish the content is WP:DUE. We already discuss the proximity of the wet market and the WIV in these articles, in sentences I have quoted to you already [4] [5]. We simply do not state the exact distance, given discrepancies in how distances are measured, who is reporting it, and whether we are stating "as the crow flies" or "as the dog walks." Why should we also mention the Chinese CDC? We would need a reliable secondary source for that component of it. Why should we specifically mention the exact distance from that source? I am sorry if you took my Ds/alert to mean that I am an administrator. I am not, and it is not meant in this way. Many users of all kinds add these notices (not just administrators), and these notices do not indicate there is necessarily anything wrong with your edits. The alert simply communicates to you that enhanced rules apply to more contentious topic areas that have been brought to the arbitration committee, and the committee (on which Bradv sits) determines that these areas require the enhanced discretionary sanctions. —  Shibbolethink ( ) 16:52, 6 September 2021 (UTC)
@ Cambr5, Shibbolethink is not an administrator, and doesn't need to be to leave you this notice. And, as has already been explained to you, we do not use opinion pieces to support statements of fact. If you want to include certain information in an article, you need to properly source that information and be able to explain to other editors why you want to add this information, and how it fits in with proper encyclopedic coverage of the topic. Perhaps you might find it helpful to gain experience writing in less contentious topic areas while you learn how to contribute to this encyclopedia. Neither of the topics mentioned above are suitable for a beginner. – bradv 🍁 17:06, 6 September 2021 (UTC)

Hi Bradv, I note you closed this AfD as "No Consensus". I'm still learning about how AfDs get closed and what I though I'd figured out (and how it was explained to me) doesn't quite match what I thought this close would be (hope that makes sense). Clearly I'm missing something else. Can you explain how you got to your decision? By way of background, it was explained that a closer takes a pass to reject !votes that were made in bad faith or nonsensical, etc, after that it essentially becomes a head count because anything else like "preferring one argument over another" is a supervote (I'm paraphrasing). Here it was 7-3 to Delete so I thought that should result in a Delete. Thanks. HighKing ++ 20:19, 6 September 2021 (UTC)

@ HighKing, I'm rereading that discussion and I still don't see a consensus to delete the article. Of the four keep votes, three reference the existence of Norwegian sources that are difficult to obtain, and one references improvements in sourcing made during the course of the AfD. The six delete votes on the other hand (with the notable exception of yours) are more concerned with whether such sources are already in the article, and not whether additional sources to satisfy NCORP are available. However, if you think that a consensus to delete the article is possible with another relist, I'm willing to give it a try. But I suspect it's equally likely that consensus may develop the other way. Let me know what you think. – bradv 🍁 00:48, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
Hi Bradv, thanks for that - I'll leave it to you, if your analysis is a "no consensus" that's fine by me. I'm grateful for your detailed response and a "look behind the curtain" so to speak, thank you. HighKing ++ 10:49, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

Can you make me New Page Reviewer

PureVegetarian

I have read all tutorial and ready to become New Page Reviewer. After gaining this access I will really 100% move pages to draft if the subject will not meet to notablty guidelines or not cited I will really help Wikipedia by preventing vandalism. Please can you make me New Page Reviewer please I have really read all guidelines that who can become reviewer and how to review a page. In Advance Thankyou PureVegetarian ( talk) 18:08, 7 September 2021 (UTC) And please reply at my talk page User_talk:PureVegetarian

Request still needs help

Good day Bradv, please kindly go through Nick Moyes talk page to understand better. -- Kikilap4 ( talk) 00:46, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

@ Kikilap4, you may add the text {{ subst:submit}} at the top of your draft to have it reviewed through the WP:AfC process. – bradv 🍁 03:27, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

Page move request

Good day Bradv,

Please can you help me out, I need to move/merge the page of Slimcase (musician) to Slimcase (singer)-- Kikilap4 ( talk) 06:41, 5 September 2021 (UTC)

both pages should be merge with the name Slimcase (musician)-- Kikilap4 ( talk) 06:43, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
@ Kikilap4: I checked out the edit history of both articles, and I'm afraid yours entered mainspace second. So I have made it into a redirect to Slimcase (singer), and you are now free to merge content that you created into that article. Once that's done, you can gain consensus to rename the article. But this way gives you more time, as I've rejected the request for speedy deletion, and your work can be found in the edit history. Sorry about that. Nick Moyes ( talk) 20:27, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
@ Nick Moyes, thank you. I'm not sure why I was asked about this, but I agree with your approach. – bradv 🍁 23:09, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
bradv good day! I represent A-navigation Promotion Centre MARINET RUT. We have placed the draft Autonomous and remote navigation trial project ( /info/en/?search=Draft:Autonomous_and_Remote_Navigation_Trial_Project) based at the information from the site of our organization - www.a-nav.org. Actually, we have send a permission letter. It was send on 24 August 2021 from alexander.pinskiy@a-nav.org (the e-mail of the Director of the a-Navigaton Promotion Centre MARINET RUT). May i ask you to check this information and recover the Draft, as you have deleted it? Actually, we are ready to correct anything in the article. Thank you in advance. Виктория Шмыговская ( talk) 04:41, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

New Page Patrol newsletter September 2021

New Page Review queue September 2021

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There are currently 706 New Page Reviewers plus a further 1,080 admins, but as much as nearly 90% of the patrolling is still being done by around only the 20 or so most regular patrollers.

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Some changes to Superlinks

I remembered I made some changes to a fork of your User:Bradv/Scripts/Superlinks.js script earlier in the year ( diff). Effectively it just makes the "ds alerts" menu a bit neater; it only shows alerts in the past 1yr and it shows them in a neat list of topic areas rather than showing each alert box. If it can't parse the alert box (some old DS templates weren't standardised, so harder to parse), then it shows those ones in raw form below. (you can try "ds alerts" on me to see an example). I can't remember if I fully ironed it out for possible bugs but I haven't experienced anything day-to-day. Just wanted to let you know, in case you wanted to merge the changes into your script. Cheers, ProcrastinatingReader ( talk) 16:52, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

@ ProcrastinatingReader, thanks. I am planning a bit of a rewrite of Superlinks when I have some free time, and I will see if I can incorporate some of these ideas. – bradv 🍁 14:05, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

Administrators will no longer be autopatrolled

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I will take this as a very subtle jab at me not writing an article in a while. Message received. – bradv 🍁 14:07, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

Contact with editors who have a bad history with the deceased and extrapolating that on to me

Hi. Back in August, you reverted a message posted to my talk page. [6] This led me to an admin forum page where I commented on the accusation made against me. I've no other defense than what I've said. Whatever resemblance I bear to the deceased, I'm not her. So how should I deal with things like that and this [7] going forward? I commented on it back in August, [8] saying, "Doing my own research, I now understand why the user who filed the ArbCom case against Flyer22 Frozen posted to my talk page and to Nowearskirts's talk page. [9] [10] The people making these claims apparently held a grudge against the deceased party, and I think there's some cause for concern about bad-faith coordination between these parties. From what I glean from the brother's talk page and SMcCandlish's post in this discussion, Crossroads and SMcCandlish know things we don't." You said, "Those who persist in inappropriate speculation in order to defame another editor (or the memory of an editor) are in violation of our anti-harassment policies and should be dealt with accordingly." [11]

It's my understanding that even if I needed the standard notice this user placed on my talk page, it should not have been placed by this specific user when considering their history (accusations of harassment, etc.) with the deceased user. When, today, I looked into the editor who added the SPI tag to my talk page, I saw that they are continuing along these lines as well. [12] [13]

I apologize if this is something best left to email discussion. GBFEE ( talk) 23:37, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

The parties in question have had way more than enough warnings about this in particular, and on top of that we already have a general principle that it's a WP:AGF/ WP:CIVIL failure to go around accusing someone of being a sock or sockmaster without evidence. Either they have what it takes for a WP:SSP filing, or they need to drop the stick. Since they clearly won't drop the stick, it needs to be taken away from them firmly. Poisoning the ArbCom election well with this shit is right out of bounds, as Fæ learned the hard way last year when they tried the exact same crap, over the same trans- activism issue, in the same venue.  —  SMcCandlish ¢ 😼  11:27, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
@ GBFEE, that second notice is just an alert about discretionary sanctions, routinely issued to anyone who edits in affected topic areas. That shouldn't be interpreted as any sort of accusation or harassment (although I understand that it can come across that way, especially if you have a history). – bradv 🍁 14:04, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
Thanks, SMcCandlish; Bradv. I've read what the standard notice says and I've picked up on it being routinely issued to anyone who edits in affected topic areas. That's fine. My concern remains. Bradv, as I'm not the deceased party, I don't have a history with this user. I have reviewed the history between this user and the deceased editor. At the time this user supposedly welcomed me, they were welcoming users they suspected to be the deceased editor. It is observable with the example at User talk:Raining Parade. [14]. Sometime after I was accused, I was able to discuss the deceased user's history with a few editors, and they confirmed this was happening. This user was invasive to Raining Parade, asking the user to reveal their IP. When they supposedly welcomed me, [15] they wanted to know why I asked for a welcome template. I responded, finding their question very odd, [16] because all I did was ask for a welcome template and this user, who doesn't edit much at all currently or edit the subjects I edit, appeared just to ask me that. When they welcomed Raining Parade, Raining Parade had already been welcomed. And when they supposedly welcomed me, I'd already been welcomed. It appears, as I've discussed with others, they believe I was asking for a welcome template to avoid them posting to my talk page. If that's what they believe, then it says a lot that the user posted to my talk page anyway. They also posted a standard notice to Nowearskirts's talk page [17] for their very first edit in August after not editing for several days. Nowearskirts found it to have come out of the blue and wondered why the user hadn't also given the standard notice to Willibord. [18] It certainly seems that Willibord was more in need of the standard notice than Nowearskirts. A few days later, Nowearskirts and I were accused of being the deceased editor. Nowearskirts had Johnuniq and Liz to help them through that, but that editor hasn't returned to edit since.
I believe that because the user who added the standard notice to my talk page believes me to be the deceased user, and they hadn't edited much before adding it and could have added it much earlier, and they'd just commented on an IP address who accused them of additional accounts a few days earlier, [19] the standard notice was not a well-meaning notification. It was a misplaced retaliation for something that has nothing to do with me. So I feel harassed by this user because they seem to believe me to be the deceased editor they have a bad history with and are targeting me because of that. I don't edit the subjects this user edits, and I won't be editing those gender-heavy topics, and so I don't expect to interact with this user much, if at all. If contact with this user continues despite this, what was said here [20] might be in order. These attempts at intimidation to keep me from editing articles the deceased user edited only make me more interested in the work the deceased did, such as shepherding the gender differences in suicide article.
I have email enabled, but I have it set to where no one can email me because I'm concerned about receiving harassment. So if anything needs to be discussed by email, I want it known that I can be reached by email. I just have to initiate the email. Thanks. GBFEE ( talk) 19:20, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
@ GBFEE, I'm certainly sorry you feel this way, but this was a routine message and I think you may be reading too much into it. If you continue to feel targeted please let me know (either here or by email), but at the moment I don't see anything that needs to be addressed. – bradv 🍁 22:07, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
@GBFEE: Wikipedia is part of the internet and that means it is inhabited by all kinds of people, good and bad. Please contribute to whatever articles you choose with the only provisos being to not edit war and to engage with discussions on talk pages. I'm less busy than Bradv so you might try contacting me first if problems arise. I might not respond immediately but I will investigate any issue. In particular, any further attempts to misuse the name of the deceased person will lead to blocks. Johnuniq ( talk) 01:08, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Notability and BLP

o reason has been given why this highly-recognized industrial and academic scientist should not be considered notable. The references in many publications, including the Wall Street Journal are surely an indication. By itself, award of the Barbados Barbados Gold Crown of Merit award should be enough. -- Zeamays ( talk) 22:26, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Replied at Talk:Ken R. Harewood. – bradv 🍁 22:39, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Thriller Records

Hello, I had created a Wikipedia Page for Bob Beckers new label called Thriller Records - he is also the founder of Fearless Records. It was deleted and I'm not sure why or how we can bring this back online. I used similar coding and linked to press articles from very reputable media articles such as alternative press. If you could help that would be super appreciated. I know a lot of people use Wikipedia to keep up with the current roster of the label. Thank you! -- Nickm0110 ( talk) 20:34, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

I deleted it because it was spam. Please don't use Wikipedia to advertise. – bradv 🍁 00:28, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

This is not spam? This is a very legitimate record label founded by notable people in the industry. Both of the founders have Wikipedia pages for their other labels so I'm confused why this would be considered spam? What was created was templated after their other record labels. Every artist on the label has a wikipedia page as well? What am I missing here? -- Nickm0110 ( talk) 01:26, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

Sadhbh O'Neill

Related conversation: User talk:Tzq99#Managing a conflict of interest

Thanks for the note. I'm not sure what you mean by the conflict of interest, none of those categories apply to me. I thought the material was well sourced from reliable sources, can you suggest what else is needed? Tzq99 ( talk) 16:58, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

@ Tzq99: It appears from your edits that you have some sort of relationship with Sadhbh O'Neill, which is why I left you that message. What is your connection? – bradv 🍁 17:11, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
@ Bradv: I don't have any, though I'm interested in more obscure election results and details and am aware of her. I noticed that she is running in an upcoming election and has no page despite the fact that apparently less prominent candidates do. Tzq99 ( talk) 17:38, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
@ Bradv:I would point you to the pages for Tom Clonan and Hugo MacNeill (rugby union), who are other declared candidates in the same election. Unlike O'Neill, neither of them have ever been elected to any public office, neither have a more notable academic career than O'Neill, neither of them have been in the public eye to a greater extent than O'Neill and the only MacNeill has a modest amateur sporting record. It is well established that there is a huge imbalance in the number of males v females who have wiki biographies, and with candidates in this election, it is remarkable that the most notable of these three is a) the one who has no bio and b) the one who is female. I know that you are trying to keep wiki balanced, but I think that in this instance balance favours inclusion. Tzq99 ( talk) 17:52, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
The relevant notability criteria is at WP:NPOLITICIAN. Candidates for office are not usually notable until they are elected, unless they are already notable for other reasons. – bradv 🍁 17:55, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
@ Bradv: Brad, please have regard for what I wrote. She has been elected to public office previously, and male candidates in the current election who have not been elected and don't have any other notability criteria that she does not have, each have extensive wiki pages. This is really not a good look from a sexism point for wiki. Tzq99 ( talk) 17:59, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year

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Read and replied. – bradv 🍁 21:39, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

Ishac Bertran

Hi Bradv! Will you restore the contents of the Ishac Bertran page to a draft? It was work a student did for my class through Wiki Education, and I haven't had a chance to review it. I apologize if it read as too promotional, I will clean it up in the draft as I review. Thanks -- AmeliaMN ( talk) 16:38, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

@ AmeliaMN: I can email the deleted content to you if you like, but I would prefer not to restore spam. – bradv 🍁 21:44, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

Numelon

Merry Christmas, Bradv!
Could I please retrieve the deleted contents of Numelon which was marked as spam for "advertising"?
Thanks. -- RDSRichy ( talk) 20:17, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

Not done per Special:Permalink/1063592183#Numelon. – bradv 🍁 21:46, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

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18:14, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

Hi Bradv, thanks for writing this powerful gadget. I noticed when I expand a revision, the link/template will become clickable - that is really great but I found some problem that I failed to jump to that page the link provided. For example, in this history view when expanding the first revision, I found the link become something like User_talk:<del_class="diffchange_diffchange-inline">Example</del>. Could you please have a look and fix it? Thanks! Stang 20:05, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

@ Stang, yeah the clickable diffs part is not working 100% yet. This is on my todo list. – bradv 🍁 20:14, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
That's great, looking forward to seeing the repair soon. Stang 20:22, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

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Block Vandal

Hi, Bradv. We met a while ago back before the arbitrary elections of 2020 (or maybe 2019, I don't remember). But anyway, I came across some vandalism by IP 67.253.160.236 here: [21] [22] [23]. I don't know who to talk to about blocks, but I know you're an admin and there's a good amount of evidence here, probably enough to block. Anyway, I just wanted to bring this to someone's attention. I hope to hear from you soon, Dswitz10734 ( talk) 14:59, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

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