Archive 25: September 6, 2007 to December 16, 2007. Slightly longer period than usual since my activity level declined in the fall. Please do not edit this page -- it is unlikely that I will see your edit. Go here instead.

Since my request from 2 years ago has not been fixed yet, can you go ahead and add some classical music files from the sound list to our classical music article? Ditto for any related ones that don't have them yet. Raul654 06:56, 6 September 2007 (UTC) reply

Also, see my post here Raul654 19:21, 6 September 2007 (UTC) reply

I'll try to have a look sometime soon. I haven't had much Wikipedia time for a few days now. Antandrus (talk) 14:28, 7 September 2007 (UTC) reply

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		I thank you for participating in my successful request for adminship, which ended with 60 supports, no opposes, no neutrals, and one abstain. Edison 14:43, 7 September 2007 (UTC) reply

I think you temp blocked this user last July. You may need to know he/she is at it again. Folks at 137 20:50, 7 September 2007 (UTC) reply

• Thanks! Glad to see my test worked! 216.107.226.228 23:52, 10 September 2007 (UTC) reply

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		I award you the Editor's Barnstar for having creating over 500 articles on Wikipedia!!! That's the most I've ever seen anyone add. And yet, you still spend countless time fighting vandals, too. Congratulations on your countess accomplishments!!!-- U.S.A. ( talk contribs) 04:10, 11 September 2007 (UTC) reply

Would you mind protecting User talk:RGTraynor/Archive3? The vandal that you blocked, changed his/her IP address to vandalize that page again. NHRHS2010 ^Talk 20:05, 11 September 2007 (UTC) reply

Added to WP:RFPP. NHRHS2010 ^Talk 20:07, 11 September 2007 (UTC) reply

Could you please have a look at This section of K. Lasztochka's talk page? I'm afraid that it is beginning to get a bit too personal, at least on the part of this IP user. Some of it is misunderstanding of English, but there have been some cruel personal attacks, and an outside opinion would be welcome. Thanks and all the best, M A Mason 16:38, 12 September 2007 (UTC) reply

Oh, that one again. Some people make personal attacks bluntly, by calling other people names; others more subtly, by weaving vines of fancy words, but yet with hostile intent. Both are forms of ad hominem argumentation, and both are trolling, and neither help us build an encyclopedia. I'll think of something to say. Antandrus (talk) 17:56, 12 September 2007 (UTC) reply

Hi there Antandrus, I've seen your name lots of times on articles that were listed at this project, of which I'm sure you're aware. An editor recently listed the project as inactive, and I'm trying to encourage more activity so that we can progress through the daunting list. You can help by continuing to write fine articles (you've already done many, but there are still lots, if you're ever out of ideas). You may also want to add your name to the newly-added participants list, so it looks less inactive. Rigadoun (talk) 18:43, 12 September 2007 (UTC) reply

Since you've done so much for Wikipedia, you must have done a lot of research over the internet for things like verifiable sources and such. If so, might I assume that you've been to a lot of online places? Then maybe you can help me out. I've been trying to find a site which might have images of the characters in Iggy Arbuckle. It's most unlikely, of course, that you would know where such a site may be found, but I thought someone with seemingly so much experience might have seen something of the sort along the way at some point. Can you be of help??? Wilhelmina Will 01:36, 13 September 2007 (UTC) reply

Most of my sources are books, since I have a doctorate in an academic field; I'm really not all that good at finding websites for popular culture topics. For something like Iggy Arbuckle, if you want images, it's bound to be difficult. So no unfortunately I haven't seen such a thing. Is there a pertinent Wikiproject which might have someone with the right expertise? Antandrus (talk) 01:40, 13 September 2007 (UTC) reply

I'm not sure what a "pertinent Wikiproject which might have someone with the right expertise" might be, but there might be something of the sort. What is that again? Wilhelmina Will 02:22, 13 September 2007 (UTC) reply

I would guess there's a Wikiproject covering animated TV series (that's what it is, right?) Antandrus (talk) 02:25, 13 September 2007 (UTC) reply

Go here, get a close fit, and leave a note on the appropriate talk page. Thanks, Antandrus (talk) 02:28, 13 September 2007 (UTC) reply

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		Thanks for cleaning up that page move vandalism! Cheers, Je t Lover ( Report a mistake) 23:26, 17 September 2007 (UTC) reply

and thank you! I'm supposed to be on Wikibreak, but saw this going on when checking recent changes; noticed you're helping too. Cheers, Antandrus (talk) 23:28, 17 September 2007 (UTC) reply

to say hello and hope you are enjoying things. My life has been rather chaotic in recent weeks but things are settling down some, so I hope you are avoiding chaos of any sort. If I were better at this sort of thing I'd offer you a cool/calm/collected image of some sort but you'll just have to imagine one, I'm afraid! -- Wspencer11 (talk to me...) 21:03, 18 September 2007 (UTC) reply

P.S. Regarding WikiProject Composers, what would being a participant entail? -- Wspencer11 (talk to me...) 21:09, 18 September 2007 (UTC) reply

Thank you for dealing with the troll on the Starlight Express character pages. They seem unfortuntely proliferate... Mazz0626 09:00, 21 September 2007 (UTC) reply

User:Rearete is perfectly fine with my edits.-- SayUnclePal 19:45, 24 September 2007 (UTC) reply

We are a project to build an encyclopedia, not a playground for kids to vandalise each other's user pages and giggle about it. What exactly is your purpose here? Antandrus (talk) 19:47, 24 September 2007 (UTC) reply

Hi, first off I want to thank you for fixing my user page that was vandalised by a real life friend of mine who was just playing a joke and who knew I would quickly fix the problem. But anyway the reason that I am posting here is because as the first admin that I've come in contact with I would like to ask for some advice as to where to go to learn all of the code used to edit Wikipedia pages. This is because I want to become a more active member of the comunity. So if you have any suggestions as to where I can begin please post so on my user page. Also I was hoping you could take the time out of your very busy schedule to tell me where to learn to set up my user page like you have yours. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rearete ( talk • contribs) 19:53, 24 September 2007 (UTC) reply

Hi Antandrus,

Yes! Yes! "Shot" is plural! Thank you.

And yet ... it seems clear that various people don't know this -- it's been turned into "shots" more than once.

In related news, I was inspired by a posting of Raul654 to look at Symphony No. 9 (Beethoven) after a long absence. It seems that in the last year or so, the reading level has shifted from college-freshman to 7th grade. Curious, no? And as far as I know, no one has ever addressed what reading level the Wikipedia should be written at.

My impression is that the World Book is about 8th grade, the New Grove is college sophomore, and the Britannica ranges from 12th grade to difficult-program-in-graduate-school. The Wikipedia depends, I guess, on who is doing the editing. I myself would favor college freshman level, and I feel that readers who are hopelessly lost by this should go over to the Simple English Wikipedia. But I suspect there must be a whole range of opinion. Cheers, Opus33 06:15, 25 September 2007 (UTC) reply

Thanks for your interesting reply, and I agree with your point: a challenged reader should keep following the links until things make sense. Cheers, Opus33 18:51, 25 September 2007 (UTC) reply

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		For helping revert, and protecting my talk page from a sockpuppet who obviously does not care for me! Thank you my friend! Jmlk 1 7 01:11, 26 September 2007 (UTC) reply

Thank you! And remember that being insulted by a troll is reliable evidence that you are doing something right; and both their obsession, and their choice of insulting behavior, tells you more about them than you. Cheers, Antandrus (talk) 01:40, 26 September 2007 (UTC) reply

Hey Antandrus, how are you? I've been away for a while, though I've been burning the midnight oil whacking vandals the past two nights. Amazing how one can actually miss that isn't it? Anyhow, I saw you while doing RC patrol and I thought I'd drop a line and see how you are doing. Hope all is well. KOS | talk 00:49, 27 September 2007 (UTC) reply

Sorry I'm late in replying, I haven't had much time the past two days. Have the "dramatically difficult real life events" have been resolved? As to vandal and troll-whacking being satisfying, and what it says about us, I imagine the answer to that would be very clear: we have far too much time on our hands. I find it's a better use of my time compared to something such as television! Though I can only go into "whack-a-vandal" mode if I'm playing The Best Of Mountain, or Yes's Fragile. Nothing like singing along as you go! :) KOS | talk 18:51, 28 September 2007 (UTC) reply

and I had to add this KOS | talk 01:08, 29 September 2007 (UTC) reply

FYI, I did a short range block to 65.254.12.0/24 so you needn't warn them. It was obviously a room full of kids with computers and bad intentions so they get a couple hours off. — Wknight94 ( talk) 13:49, 27 September 2007 (UTC) reply

Ah, thank you. I've been seeing more and more of that--multiple vandals with closely related IPs. I think sometimes it's a bunch of 12-year-olds in study hall, or whatever they call it now, one-upping each other with "ha-ha, look what I wrote aren't I funny!!!1! zomg!!1!" Antandrus (talk) 15:19, 27 September 2007 (UTC) reply

And it's usually "Joe is gay" or "Chris is cool" or the same boring stuff. I almost want to congratulate the vandals with original material! — Wknight94 ( talk) 15:36, 27 September 2007 (UTC) reply

Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to make constructive contributions to Wikipedia, at least one of your recent edits, such as the one you made to Fort Knox, did not appear to be constructive and has been reverted or removed. Please use the sandbox for any test edits you would like to make, and take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Your changes have been automatically reverted by CounterVandalismBot. If this is a mistake, please report it. Thank you. CounterVandalismBot 22:11, 27 September 2007 (UTC) reply

LOL. Antandrus (talk) 22:12, 27 September 2007 (UTC) reply

Apologies for that, should'nt have been marked, ill revert Lloydpick 22:13, 27 September 2007 (UTC) reply

No problem at all ... it was kind of funny. Offhad I'd guess it was because one of my edits was to restore "fuckin" for "****" since Wikipedia is not censored. Do you keep a whitelist for people who are admins or who have many tens of thousands of edits? Thanks for your work on the bot, Antandrus (talk) 22:16, 27 September 2007 (UTC) reply

It operates on a scoring system, but it gives registered users more of a leeway than un-registered, it just needs a little tweak here and there :) Lloydpick 22:17, 27 September 2007 (UTC) reply

Finally someone tagged Antandrus as the good-for-nothing vandal he clearly is.  :) -- Myke Cuthbert (talk) 21:09, 28 September 2007 (UTC) reply

Wow! Look at it this way, at least the bot didn't divide by zero and crash a network on a US Navy Warship [1]. Wikipedia is still running...LOL! ;-) JungleCat Shiny!/ Oohhh! 23:57, 28 September 2007 (UTC) reply

LOL... this is the funniest thread on my talk page in a while. Yah, hopefully won't launch any ICBMs by accident either! I never thought being warned for vandalism would be so much fun ... Antandrus (talk) 00:01, 29 September 2007 (UTC) reply

Antandrus, do you own or have access to a copy of all the volumes of The Grove Dictionary of Music and Musicians? If so, would you consider taking a photograph, releasing it under a free license, and then replacing the non-free photograph in Grove Dictionary of Music and Musicians? I would sincerely appreciate it. Thanks, Iamunknown 17:15, 29 September 2007 (UTC) reply

Greetings! I do own a hard copy (but of the 1980 edition); the more recent edition I subscribe to online. Yes, I'll photograph it for you... it'll take just a bit to move it out of the clutter zone.  :) Antandrus (talk) 17:18, 29 September 2007 (UTC) reply

Excellent. The 1980 edition will be fine. I would also suggest that you not arrange the books as in the current photograph, which gives a clear view of the inside, given copyright concerns. (At least, that is how I understand it.) And thank you very much for taking time to do this.  :-) -- Iamunknown 17:33, 29 September 2007 (UTC) reply

Wouldn't that be a derivative work, and therefore not eligible to be released under a free licence? ElinorD (talk) 19:04, 29 September 2007 (UTC) reply

Yes, I think it would be. Of course, since the current photograph is a non-free promotional photograph, the marketing department at Groves is certainly free to do that!  ;-) But we aren't. -- Iamunknown 19:49, 29 September 2007 (UTC) reply

Reading the derivative works policy linked above, I'm not sure I can take a picture of the encyclopedia and give it a free license, since 1) Grove copyrights their books, including everything on the covers, and 2) I'm taking the picture for the purpose of showing the set of books. (I could take a picture of it if it were an incidental to something else, e.g. I'm taking a picture of the inside of my music/writing studio, and it happens to be on the shelf.) While IANAL, I'm not so sure now. Has anyone done this elsewhere on Wikipedia for another set of books? Antandrus (talk) 20:20, 29 September 2007 (UTC) reply

Hmm, I considered derivative works (hence my recommendation to not photograph a page) but didn't think it would apply to the spine or cover of the books. Then again, I don't know if that is true.

It might just be easier to get an older version (as in pre-1923, published in the U.S.) and scan the cover page. There is a 1904-1910 version at my local University library, so I can try that next week. (It will probably be a photograph, because I imagine that bending the spine as much as needed to scan a page would not be good for the book...). -- Iamunknown 20:35, 29 September 2007 (UTC) reply

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Crackerjack12 Could you please clean up his mess and block? Yale s 00:47, 30 September 2007 (UTC) reply

Yup. Wasn't sure until I checked the links, but you're right. I have to go away now, but could you do the honors of adding the info to the long-term-abuse page? Antandrus (talk) 01:47, 30 September 2007 (UTC) reply

Here are some sites to block (remove the "DOT"):

Here are some linkspam sites of his: - http://nuclearpower.proboards79DOTcom - http://www.myspaceDOTcom/terriirwin - http://www.robertgbarrettDOTcom Yale s 01:49, 30 September 2007 (UTC) reply

Hi there! My article on Joseph Szigeti is finally approaching the final stages of development. Can I ask you to take a look at it and give me some feedback before I attempt anything like peer review or (dare I consider it?) FAC? It's been percolating in my brain for so long that I really can't look objectively at it anymore...I'd especially like you to keep an eye out for excessive levels of musical jargon that may have slipped in there--I want to make sure it's easily understandable by the non-violinist! :) Thanks in advance, K. Lásztocska 02:12, 30 September 2007 (UTC) reply

Be happy to! Probably tomorrow though ... have to run now ... :) Antandrus (talk) 02:13, 30 September 2007 (UTC) reply

Hey... wanna take a quick break from vandal-reverting and do some vandal-blocking? There's a very, very large backlog at WP:AIV. Thanks! Gscshoyru 15:45, 1 October 2007 (UTC) reply

Have to go now ... but I whittled away a few. Thanks for your help! Antandrus (talk) 15:54, 1 October 2007 (UTC) reply

Drat. Thanks though! Where are all the admins? (rhetorical) Gscshoyru 15:56, 1 October 2007 (UTC) reply

User:72.146.182.154 has been making many disruptive edits. Can you please block him? Æe tlr Cre ejl 04:15, 7 October 2007 (UTC) reply

Greetings--sorry, was away for a bit. Looks like FlyGuy took care of him already for us. Cheers, Antandrus (talk) 05:05, 7 October 2007 (UTC) reply

for reverting my talkpage! -- Caltas ^(talk) 15:46, 7 October 2007 (UTC) reply

My pleasure! Antandrus (talk) 15:47, 7 October 2007 (UTC) reply

Hi! In Trent Codices you added the PD image of the Castello with the note "Gratuitous image" [2] . Actually, if you do any other MS sources, PLEASE add these images of where they are! What with shelfmarks being unreliable and the names of libraries changing so often (there's one in Udine that I have five names for), and Mapquest et. al still not working that well for Europe, having a picture of where the hell you're going can really help! Especially when it's a castle at the top of a hill that you can navigate toward.

Okay, get back to your vandalizing...  :) -- Myke Cuthbert (talk) 17:22, 7 October 2007 (UTC) reply

You're getting to go there? LOL, yeah, I know I read too much into comments ... Sure, I love adding those images. In addition, when I can't find a pic of a Renaissance composer (that means most of the time) I've increasingly been putting in a pic of one of the cathedrals, for example Marbrianus de Orto. Except for "vandalizing" I haven't been real active recently; stuff in real life I can't write about where trolls can see. Hope all is OK and the fall classes are going well!  :) Antandrus (talk) 21:35, 7 October 2007 (UTC) reply

I noticed your one of the people that wished there to be a list of Japanese games online for Wikipedia which I tried to make for the Nintendo 64 a few months ago, but just like when they where added to the orginal List of Nintendo 64 games they are trying to delete the new page List of Japanese Nintendo 64 games here's a link Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Japanese Nintendo 64 games to the discussion, how about giving your view. ( Floppydog66 18:03, 9 October 2007 (UTC)) reply

I must say that I was dismayed by your summary deletion of the popular culture section of this article, after it was summarily restored after being summarily deleted the first time. Isn't there some kind of rule about that in the Wikipedia? Aren't you supposed to raise the issue in the article's talk page first? As an admin, aren't you supposed to know about that sort of thing?

Anyway, I am writing an entry - belatedly - on the article's talk page. I hope you will add your opinion.

-- Ravpapa 18:19, 9 October 2007 (UTC) reply

There are a lot of us, myself included, who think that "X in popular culture" sections should be summarily abolished from articles that are not specifically about popular culture. These sections are patches of weeds that grow unchecked at the ends of articles, as passersby add their own recollection of Mention of X from every TV show, comic book, and T-shirt that they have seen. Sometimes a bold soul with a weed-whacker is needed, and I support what Burntsauce did yesterday.

My being an admin is entirely irrelevant. It's a wiki. Feel free to make any change you feel improves the encyclopedia, and that goes for me too. If you want to restore an "X in popular culture" you may do so, and I assure you I will not block you. Please don't suppose that my being an admin gives me some special status in matters of content. Thank you, Antandrus (talk) 19:28, 9 October 2007 (UTC) reply

Well, please read my comments on the article talk page, and add your thoughts. Discussion! Goodwill! Patience! -- Ravpapa 19:45, 9 October 2007 (UTC) reply

Hi, and thank you for expressing your interest in the proposed WikiProject Contemporary music here. The project now has a proposed project page at Wikipedia:WikiProject Contemporary music. If you are still interested in contributing to this effort please add you name to the members list here. Thanks for your interest. Please feel free to make changes and suggestions. -- S.dedalus 05:39, 11 October 2007 (UTC) reply

Excellent! Thank you for setting that up. I'm most interested in contributing, with the caveat that I'm quite busy off-wiki for at least the month of October. Best wishes, Antandrus (talk) 15:29, 11 October 2007 (UTC) reply

Hi, I see you wrote this. Can you add your sources? Rigadoun (talk) 20:39, 11 October 2007 (UTC) reply

Wellllllllllllll, more of a stub. If you would please take a gander at the Stravinsky Le Roi des étoiles that I have attempted and make it better I would be grateful to the point of sending you...oh, I dunno...a picture of a homemade brownie or something. -- Wspencer11 (talk to me...) 14:14, 15 October 2007 (UTC) reply

Good stub; I don't know the piece at all. Considering that its composition would have been around the same time as Le Sacre, I'd be quite interested in hearing it.

Can you believe that the Stravinsky article contains not a single mention of the Requiem Canticles, nor do we have an article on this piece? I had no idea. Once in a great while I find a huge hole in our coverage. Are you familiar with it? (Personally I think it is a profound masterpiece--and not nearly done often enough.) Cheers! Antandrus (talk) 15:02, 15 October 2007 (UTC) reply

Ack ack! not yet! It's one of the pieces I want someone to write in my class next term! :) Well, okay, go ahead. Post-1960 there are tons of pieces that need articles.

Yay Wspencer11 for adding the Stravinsky piece. New articles from my students coming in this week. First two up: Rodeo (ballet) (compare with previous version: [3]) and Symphony_in_Bb_for_Band). Am very happy that they're adding actual prose to Wikipedia, instead of just more templates, etc. There are some little things that I'll address after the assignment is done (moving Bb to B-flat; adding better Fair Use rationales to the Rodeo images (perhaps cropping them to not be full pieces)) but I don't want to nitpick progress. :) -- Myke Cuthbert (talk) 18:51, 16 October 2007 (UTC) reply

An excellent idea! I will hold off writing it myself (I wouldn't have done it right away anyway; in order to avoid original research, I'd need a bunch of sources not in my own library, and most of what I know about the piece is from studying it myself). I highly doubt anyone else will write an article on it -- late Stravinsky, for most people, is a cactus sandwich. Turn on a "classical" radio station and you'll hear every flute concerto Telemann ever wrote, or every scribble by kid Mozart, but not a single glorious trombone-blatt from 1960s Igor. So this stuff is relatively unknown except by specialists. Good luck with the class!  :) Antandrus (talk) 18:57, 16 October 2007 (UTC) reply

Thanks! It's a very strange piece, one of those truly odd works that really catch my interest. It's definitely worth hunting up, in my opinion...MTT recorded it in Boston in 1972 and there's a recent Boulez/Cleveland version on iTunes.

I'm afraid I know the RC not at all; I should track it/them down too. I'm afraid the atonal Stravinsky has never really been my bag, though Agon is very fine as I recall. In fact I guess I'm just a tonalist at heart, with occasional exceptions like A Survivor from Warsaw and all Dutilleux (if you call that atonal) among a few others.

Also, I just stumbled across this guy's entry: David S. Sampson...is he worth an entry? I know full well that any deletion would likely get reverted but I figure there's no harm in asking. Merci! -- Wspencer11 (talk to me...) 16:48, 15 October 2007 (UTC) reply

Oops. Just came across this. I didn't think case would be an issue. What now? -- Wspencer11 (talk to me...) 00:36, 16 October 2007 (UTC) reply

Oy, sorry to hear that. Merge and redirect. The first time it happened to me was when I wrote the first draft of Charles Valentin Alkan in 2004, and later discovered someone had already written one with the hyphen: Charles-Valentin Alkan. I said aloud some words I resolutely try to avoid typing into Wikipedia, had a deep breath, and merged the articles. Oh well ... c'est la vie. Or is it Vie? LOL... Antandrus (talk) 02:00, 16 October 2007 (UTC) reply

I'll get to it when I can (out of work AGAIN). But (since I don't know French) what's the correct capitalization? I have seen at least three versions. Merci! -- Wspencer11 (talk to me...) 13:55, 17 October 2007 (UTC) reply

Two possibilities: Zvezdolikiy (the original Russian: literally "Star-face", and Le roi des étoiles. There is no standard way of doing "Englished" French titles; I've seen them all kinds of ways. Personally I prefer capitalization as in the original language -- i.e. all lower case for this one. Grove has the Russian first, and the French in parentheses. I would lean toward the lower case French, and redirect everything else. Cheers! Antandrus (talk) 15:05, 17 October 2007 (UTC) reply

I tried my best...let me know if it looks OK. I kinda faked the redirects so you can let me know where I went wrong. Merci! -- Wspencer11 (talk to me...) 16:13, 17 October 2007 (UTC) reply

Hey Antandrus, congrats on your 70,000+ edits! I want to let you know I've semi-protected your talk page due to a vandal attack. It's only for an hour and should expire in about 20 min. I've got to run, have a good day! KnowledgeOfSelf | talk 15:13, 15 October 2007 (UTC) reply

Thanks for the revert as well! KnowledgeOfSelf | talk 17:33, 15 October 2007 (UTC) reply

Yes, quite; congratulations! :) —  $PЯINGεrαgђ  16:19, 15 October 2007 (UTC) reply

Thank you all! I hope to be back writing again soon, not just dropping in for a minute at a time. Cheers, Antandrus (talk) 20:19, 15 October 2007 (UTC) reply

Hi Antandradus, I'm having some trouble - I put the Takemitsu page up for peer review ages ago and didn't really get a response, and I've now nominated it as an FA candidate, but I'm worried it's just going to slip straight through the net. Is there anything I can do to get people to look at it? I guess it's a specialist subject - but not much more so than Lutoslawski and Messiaen etc. Any ideas? Matt.kaner 18:32, 15 October 2007 (UTC) reply

The best place I can think is Wikipedia:Wikiproject Composers. If anyone would be interested in helping, it would be there. I confess I rarely visit the FA pages, either as an editor trying to get an article featured or as a reviewer, for I find the atmosphere there to be somewhat uncollegial, and indeed occasionally abusive; it can feel quite bad after putting in a lot of hard work into an article ("Good Article Review" is even worse). But best of luck, and I'll help out with any specifics if you ask. Cheers, Antandrus (talk) 20:23, 15 October 2007 (UTC) reply

You are indulgent! Thank you. Opus33 20:47, 15 October 2007 (UTC) reply

Always happy to help! Best wishes, Antandrus (talk) 02:03, 16 October 2007 (UTC) reply

This is a notice indicating that the e-mail I sent to the Signpost is indeed from me (since mysteriously my e-mail this user feature is disabled ... I'll try to fix whatever is wrong later). Antandrus (talk) 16:14, 16 October 2007 (UTC) reply

Between December 14, 2005 and June 7, 2007, I vandalized Wikipedia under my previous username (YechielMan) and under various IP addresses and alternate accounts.

I recently reviewed the contribution logs of all the accounts and IP addresses that I can recall having used. My goal was to identify all of the intentionally harmful edits I caused, and to apologize to the individual users who reverted those edits, or warned me, or blocked me.

Hence, I apologize to you and to all of the following users:

Adam Bishop, Amarkov, Antandrus, AntiVandalBot, Bdj (Badlydrawnjeff), Conk 9, CanbekEsen, DLand, Downwards, Eagle 101, Ericbronder, Gogo Dodo, High on a tree, Hut 8.5, Interiot, Jayjg, Jrwallac, Kingboyk, Kuru, Noclip, Patrick Berry, PFHLai, PhantomS, Pollinator, Rachack, Ranma9617, Rx StrangeLove, SlimVirgin, Tfrogner, TommyBoy, Vary, Woohookitty, Zzuuzz, and some anonymous IPs. (I also reverted one edit myself after it went unnoticed for three weeks.)

Thank you for maintaining the integrity of Wikipedia against everyone who has attacked it, including my old self.

If you wish to respond, please do so at my talk page.

Best regards, Shalom ( Hello • Peace) 19:26, 16 October 2007 (UTC) reply

Superdalek Stonegolem Taradingo

I've just blocked these 3 accounts. -- Longhair\ ^talk 21:27, 17 October 2007 (UTC) reply

the url myspaceDOTcom/terriirwin needs to be blocked Yale s 19:38, 17 October 2007 (UTC) reply

Thank you both--I'm at work and can't look at the spam site to verify what it is (it's blocked by our nanny software). Yale, to add a site to the blacklist go here and a meta admin will do it for you; I'm not an admin there so I can't. Cheers, Antandrus (talk) 23:36, 17 October 2007 (UTC) reply

Hi Antandrus. You're always unfailingly helpful, so I wonder if you can take a look at my query on the PC's talk page about Edmund Neupert and report back in due course with any thoughts? Cheers. -- JackofOz 06:08, 18 October 2007 (UTC) reply

Hi there: I have added my master's thesis to the entry on the Shostakovich Fourth Symphony. Is that OK or am I out of line? Merci! -- Wspencer11 (talk to me...) 15:53, 18 October 2007 (UTC) reply

Hey, it's not a blog.  :) I think it's fine. Articles in peer-reviewed academic journals, theses and dissertations, in my opinion, can and should be added by their authors as references to encyclopedia articles. You have my complete support. Antandrus (talk) 16:11, 18 October 2007 (UTC) reply

Howdy, I've created an other sub-page located here, this one on the interpretation and use of the extra tools admins have for maintenance. I though you might be interested in reading it, it's not fully completed, (I plan on adding more to it), and I'm sure there are grammar errors that my eyes just won't find on the first few skims through. Anyhow If you have the time I'd like to know what you think! Happy editing, and good days to you my friend. KnowledgeOfSelf | talk 18:42, 18 October 2007 (UTC) reply

Thank you for the revert - was busy reporting the IP user concerned at the time! Giles Bennett ^{( Talk, Contribs)} 20:40, 18 October 2007 (UTC) reply

You're welcome--always happy to help! Cheers, Antandrus (talk) 20:40, 18 October 2007 (UTC) reply

Hi there: Just saw this come up. I'll be interested to hear what you think. -- Wspencer11 (talk to me...) 21:25, 21 October 2007 (UTC) reply

Argh, bad idea. I also just noticed this disastrous mis-redirect, and fixed it, for obvious reasons. Thanks for letting me know--my watchlist, while having over 1,000 items, is not all-inclusive, and I'm not around as much as before... Cheers, Antandrus (talk) 22:03, 21 October 2007 (UTC) reply

Dear Antandrus,

First of all, thank you for reviewing my California Condor article and helping to promote it to FA status a few months ago. I know my thanks are a bit delayed, but better late than never! Second, I’ve currently got another New World Vulture article, King Vulture, up for FA status and was wondering if you would be interested in reviewing it. I know that you are busy, but so far only three people have done so. Any comments and criticism on this article would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Rufous-crowned Sparrow 00:54, 22 October 2007 (UTC) reply

You're welcome, and I'm sorry I'm so far behind in keeping my promises (I remember I had promised to make you a revised map for that article using ArcGIS) -- I had some difficult things come up in "real life" and have done little on Wikipedia for the last two months besides revert vandalism and answer quick questions. I'll do my best to have a look at it soon. Cheers and best wishes, Antandrus (talk) 01:24, 22 October 2007 (UTC) reply

Any time that is convenient for you is fine. And that is all right about the range map- "real life" probably should come first. Thanks. Rufous-crowned Sparrow 02:46, 22 October 2007 (UTC) reply

I'll stop when making new accounts, or changin ip address become more work, than the lulz created by vandalization to offset said work.

Wouldn't be too bad if you stopped being an enormous Faggot. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.90.162.175 ( talk) 23:08, 22 October 2007 (UTC) reply

I'm always amused by how male teenagers are obsessed with homosexuality: it is, of course, a reflection of their own fear and insecurity: and when they grow up,they generally either get over their fear, or embrace their orientation, if they are so gifted. In any case, their temporary obsession with "gayness" is an extremely significant bit of data. If you are interested in "gay" topics, there are a lot of good resources here and elsewhere on the internet; good luck with your search, your journey, and perhaps your acceptance of your own sexuality. Growing up is hard work. Have a nice day, Antandrus (talk) 01:43, 23 October 2007 (UTC) reply

Huh? How do you know he's a teenager? How do you even know he's a he? I'm female, and I worry about people's opinions on my sexuality. I won't even hug another girl, for fear that people will think it's lesbian. (She looks around at all the female users of Wikipedia and says "Stop giving me those hungering looks! I'm seriously not interested!!!!!!!!) Wilhelmina Will 10:23, 26 October 2007 (UTC) reply

Having seen pictures of Antandrus, I can vouch that he's quite thin, and couldn't be considered an enormous Faggot by any stretch of the imagination. Maybe a Tenorfaggott but most likely a dulcian or even Piccolo heckelphone? However, the resemblance to a low double reed is quite a stretch anyhow. -- Myke Cuthbert (talk) 05:40, 25 October 2007 (UTC) reply

Huh? I'm very confused. I didn't commit the editing that you claimed that I did (insertion of the word "penis" into the entry). I edited some data on the character information page that I was working on. I hope you might clear this up. 71.234.133.31 17:12, 24 October 2007 (UTC) reply

(answering for him) Note the date on the message on your talk page. It's from November 2006. Someone else had your ip and used it to vandalize wikipedia at the time; you're not at fault. Welcome, and happy editing! Gscshoyru 17:15, 24 October 2007 (UTC) reply

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Kissoff4444 Yale s 21:36, 24 October 2007 (UTC) reply

Clarinet-violin-piano trio
Clarinet-viola-piano trio
Clarinet-cello-piano trio

These titles sound very unencyclopedic to me—I was going to move them to something like Piano trio (Piano, Violin, Clarinet) etc., but before I do it I thought I should ask you, is there any really "good" way to rename these? —  $PЯINGεrαgђ  15:03, 25 October 2007 (UTC) reply

Tough one. It's hard to improve on Clarinet-violin-piano trio, frankly. If there's a better way to say it, it's not coming to me. The only other possibility would be Clarinet, violin, and piano trio, or Clarinet, violin, piano trio. Pieces are often named "Trio for Clarinet, violin and piano" but that doesn't make a good article title. I'd go as is.  :) Antandrus (talk) 01:56, 26 October 2007 (UTC) reply

Hope you don't mind that I used your picture div/border code and added my own content. If there's a problem, just let me know. Thanks! Sicilianmandolin 03:12, 26 October 2007 (UTC) reply

No problem at all! You can thank the talented User:Phaedriel who designed the page. Cheers, Antandrus (talk) 03:13, 26 October 2007 (UTC) reply

I was browsing Wikipedia as an anonymous user when I was sent a message from Antandrus saying I had vandalized an article. Seeing as I have never clicked the 'edit' button at the top of any article, I feel compelled to say...huh? —Preceding unsigned comment added by PaxVici ( talk • contribs) 15:06, 26 October 2007 (UTC) reply

IP addresses are not unique to computers, or individuals. Most likely you are or were sharing an IP address with someone who was a vandal. Give me the exact IP and the page with the message you got and I'll tell you what probably happened. Welcome to Wikipedia! Antandrus (talk) 02:02, 27 October 2007 (UTC) reply

I know you are not a wikimeta admin, but you know the proper process. I fouled it up last time I tried. Could you do the steps it takes to block

myspaceDOTcom\terriirwin ?

This will help prevent this BS:

http://en.wikipediaDOTorg/?title=User:Longhair&diff=167739782&oldid=165358330

It would strike a blow for sanity. Yale s —Preceding comment was added at 00:47, 29 October 2007 (UTC) reply

Here -- hope that helps. I think it describes him adequately. Antandrus (talk) 03:02, 29 October 2007 (UTC) reply

Actually, I think you are being a bit kind! ;-P Yale s 03:49, 29 October 2007 (UTC) reply

Thank you for being willing to help out when I asked you to photograph your Groves encyclopedia, even though it didn't end up working out.  :) Also, I wanted to say that I've looked through quite a few of the articles you wrote, and I am very impressed by both the volume and the articles. I love classical music, so your contributions are very appreciated.  :) Cheers, Iamunknown 05:08, 29 October 2007 (UTC) reply

Hey, thank you! much appreciated! Reminds me I need to be writing again; it's two months since I've done anything but swat vandals. I appreciate your work too! (And btw, I have signed up on Veropedia ... just been too busy to do anything there ... had rather dramatic life events in the last couple months) Antandrus (talk) 05:12, 29 October 2007 (UTC) reply

—  $PЯINGεrαgђ  03:55, 29 October 2007 (UTC) reply

The vandals must know that this is AMS weekend, and are thinking to strike while the musicological community has its guard down!  :) Happy Halloween. -- Myke Cuthbert (talk) 19:12, 31 October 2007 (UTC) reply

Yes indeed, and I sure wish I could be there! Ironically probably the first one I go to will be one far away, when I miss the one in LA, like I did last year. Oh well. By the way, have you ever had a hard look at that Renaissance music article? When I look at it sometimes I get the same feeling I do looking in my garage. Ew, big mess. I think I'll deal with it some other time. Secular music was the "music of the peasants"? LOL. Antandrus (talk) 19:34, 31 October 2007 (UTC) reply

Yeah, it really needs some work. For myself, I'm beginning to think, "edit pretty good articles here, write new obscure articles here, start major articles again from scratch on Citizendium." One user just wrote their article on "Symphony," and, wow, in one day there's a much better article there than what thousands of edits here on WP have produced. It's sometimes much easier just to start all over. I sort of want to suggest to the WP classical music crew, "Hey, their articles are CC licensed -- let's cut and paste their Symphony prose here!"

How about Nashville next year? Good climate, and some good non-classical entertainment options. -- Myke Cuthbert (talk) 19:32, 8 November 2007 (UTC) reply

FYI, I just sent you an e-mail (with similar copies to Netsnipe and Longhair). --19:14, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Hi there: If you get a minute could you please take a glance at the latest addition to the article and let me know what you think? I have a feeling the added material is either leaning toward POV or includes material already covered in the specific works articles. I just can't make up my mind (such as it is, especially since I have a cold this week). Thanks! -- Wspencer11 (talk to me...) 14:58, 14 November 2007 (UTC) reply

Trying to do my civic duty, (and as directed), I posted linkspam URLs at meta.wik. Lo and behold, I was informed at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Spam_blacklist#More_Linkspam_from_Wayne_Smith_AKA_Universe_Daily that I was barking up the wrong tree. Cripes. Yale s 22:02, 15 November 2007 (UTC) reply

Hi, there's a vandal trashing the Coppola family tree. http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Coppola_family_tree&action=history. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.161.20.226 ( talk • contribs)

I fixed as much as appeared to be vandalism and left a final warning. It looks like there was one more anon vandal prior to that one. Antandrus (talk) 02:15, 19 November 2007 (UTC) reply

Aww man he was mine! With was being the key word... [4] KnowledgeOfSelf | talk 02:31, 19 November 2007 (UTC) reply

LOL. Must be hunting season already ... :) Antandrus (talk) 02:55, 19 November 2007 (UTC) reply

Heh:

Antandrus: It's troll season.

KnowledgeOfSelf: No it's vandal season.

Antandrus: Troll season.

KnowledgeOfSelf: Vandal season.

Elmer Fudd storms in.

Elmer Fudd: Shhhhh be verwy verwy quiet. It's Trolandal season!

Heh :) KnowledgeOfSelf | talk 07:02, 19 November 2007 (UTC) reply

Thankyou for reverting the vandalism on my userpage! My, the vandals are feisty lately! Have a barnstar  :) Jack ?! 15:34, 19 November 2007 (UTC) reply

		The RickK Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
		To Antandrus for reverting the vandalism on my userpage. It really means alot, so thanks! Jack ?! 15:34, 19 November 2007 (UTC) reply

You're welcome! thanks for the star. Antandrus (talk) 15:36, 19 November 2007 (UTC) reply

		The Invisible Barnstar
		For being with us for so many years, and for many years to come, raise a glass. Marlith T/ C 05:48, 20 November 2007 (UTC) reply

This was interesting. ~*Giggle*~ Ariel ♥ Gold 15:44, 22 November 2007 (UTC) reply

LOL ... as trolling goes, at least that kind is amusing. Happy Thanksgiving! Antandrus (talk) 16:42, 22 November 2007 (UTC) reply

Made me laugh while I was blocking it that's for sure. I swear Antandrus the trolls love you more than they'll ever love me! (not that I'm complaining really I'm not) :) Happy turkey day to you. KnowledgeOfSelf | talk 16:56, 22 November 2007 (UTC) reply

I think it is safe to say that Antandrus is the only admin with an entire group dedicated to protecting him! You must be doing something right! (P.S. Happy Turkey Day to you both, as well!) Ariel ♥ Gold 17:05, 22 November 2007 (UTC) reply

And an other one hehe. KnowledgeOfSelf | talk 15:04, 28 November 2007 (UTC) reply

That kid must be bored today. Antandrus (talk) 15:20, 28 November 2007 (UTC) reply

I'm sorry my brother was dicking around with the system. Wildroot 21:27, 23 November 2007 (UTC) reply

For the revert... somebody has some anger issues.-- Isotope23 ^talk 17:01, 27 November 2007 (UTC) reply

Our friendly old vandal and hate-monger Wayne smith/Universedaily has been making his appointed rounds here in Wikiville. Trying to be a Good Citizen, I posted his linkspam links at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Spam_blacklist/Archives/2007/11#More_Linkspam_from_Wayne_Smith_AKA_Universe_Daily and was told by "Herby" http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Herbythyme to buzz off.

Then I went to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki_talk:Spam-blacklist#Linkspam_from_vandal_Wayne_Smith_AKA_Universe_Daily to request a local block. That fell into a black hole. Ok... I then went directly to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Herbythyme#Vandal_Wayne_Smith_needs_LINKSPAM_sites_blocked and asked for divine intervention. This triggered a response from "Herby" (at the bottom): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yale_s#Your_post_on_my_page

If you do not have the admin right to make the changes, could you convince someone who does, that Smith is a problem, and must be dealt with?? Yale s ( talk) 18:06, 27 November 2007 (UTC) reply

Any suggestion what should be done with this user? It's not really impersonation, but it does come across very strange (and it is a very long username as well). Fram ( talk) 15:31, 28 November 2007 (UTC) reply

Already blocked too Fram. KnowledgeOfSelf | talk

It is a username pattern that has been used before, see User:People for the Ethical Treatment of Antandrus. Ariel ♥ Gold 15:37, 28 November 2007 (UTC) reply

I know I'm not supposed to laugh because that encourages them ... but ... LOL. Antandrus (talk) 15:59, 28 November 2007 (UTC) reply

Hi Antandrus. Please consider adding your admin username to the growing list at Classification of admins. Best! -- Jreferee t/ c 23:02, 28 November 2007 (UTC) reply

The deed is done. LOL. Strictly speaking, historical geography. Cheers, Antandrus (talk) 23:29, 28 November 2007 (UTC) reply

It looks like this IP is trolling their talk page.-- U.S.A.U.S.A.U.S.A. ( talk) 23:37, 28 November 2007 (UTC) reply

Yah, looks like Oxymoron83 got there before me [5] -- cheers, Antandrus (talk) 23:38, 28 November 2007 (UTC) reply

I thought you would get a smile out of this one: First, the vandalism: [6], then my response: [7].  ;-) JungleCat Shiny!/ Oohhh! 03:52, 29 November 2007 (UTC) reply

Ah, very good!  :) I'm always tempted to add just a little to those "test" templates... Antandrus (talk) 14:54, 29 November 2007 (UTC) reply

I just couldn't resist! - Later... JungleCat Shiny!/ Oohhh! 23:39, 29 November 2007 (UTC) reply

I dunno...suggesting that a cat (let alone one with diarrhea) use the sandbox for tests seems like asking for trouble. Don't you remember being a little kid, playing in the sandbox, and discovering that some cat had used it for a "test" before you got there?  :) -- Myke Cuthbert (talk) 03:51, 2 December 2007 (UTC) reply

Oh yes ... and I prefer that cats never, never, never, "think outside the box." Antandrus (talk) 03:55, 2 December 2007 (UTC) reply

Nothing like a bit of humour to whack the vandals with; I do that too. ;) —  $PЯINGεrαgђ  16:46, 2 December 2007 (UTC) reply

I think we need two new special templates: 1) Thank you for your announcement to the world about your extreme coolness; however, in keeping with our mission to distribute only encyclopedic content, your test has been removed ... and 2) Thank you for your enthusiastic acceptance of your friend {{FRIENDNAME}}'s alternative sexual preferences; however, ... (seeing as "I am cool" and "X is gay" seem to be our two most common vandalism types) ... Antandrus (talk) 16:51, 2 December 2007 (UTC) reply

 ;) —  $PЯINGεrαgђ  16:53, 2 December 2007 (UTC) reply

I still love this this and this. :D —  $PЯINGεrαgђ  17:00, 2 December 2007 (UTC) reply

Very good! And I had no idea that you (or Riana) actually could read my mind, LOL. Antandrus (talk) 17:46, 2 December 2007 (UTC) reply

I had been looking thru your block logs a lot about that time. —  $PЯINGεrαgђ  21:58, 2 December 2007 (UTC) reply

And here is something interesting. I got a nasty note from another administrator for using the ... summary on that one, who complained and protested innocence -- so I unblocked him, assuming good faith. Yeah... right ... I'm so tempted to send an "I told you so" message. If I use "..." it's generally because I see something bloody obvious. But oh well. Antandrus (talk) 23:05, 2 December 2007 (UTC) reply

Admins like that probably are ones headed toward recall. Just keep ...ing—it's more you. —  $PЯINGεrαgђ  23:31, 2 December 2007 (UTC) reply

Thanks... I think that being laconic is most in keeping with WP:DENY, which does work (though it's hard to quantify)  :) Antandrus (talk) 23:34, 2 December 2007 (UTC) reply

If you're like me though, laconic can easily turn into obnoxious. -help- —  $PЯINGεrαgђ  00:10, 3 December 2007 (UTC) reply

As you have shown an interest in creating/editing articles about Prince Edward Island, you are cordially invited to join WikiProject Prince Edward Island which has newly been created. SriMesh | talk 04:25, 29 November 2007 (UTC) reply

Thanks for the note, the quick revert on my talk page, and the block. Best, -- TeaDrinker 05:52, 1 December 2007 (UTC) reply

You're welcome: happy to help. Shutting down bullies and trolls makes me happy.  :) Antandrus (talk) 15:12, 1 December 2007 (UTC) reply

What is the formula for userbox templates saying a user is of Dutch, Danish, Prussian, Russian, and Portugese ancestries? Thanks in advance! Wilhelmina Will 11:44, 1 December 2007 (UTC) reply

Hm, I really don't know. The best way would be to find a userbox you like on someone else's page and copy and edit. I don't do userboxes, except for the original babel-style ones. Cheers, Antandrus (talk) 15:11, 1 December 2007 (UTC) reply

NHRHS2010 talk 00:49, 2 December 2007 (UTC) reply

		The Special Barnstar
		Here is to you my friend. May we be blessed with your presence for many more. KnowledgeOfSelf | talk 03:33, 3 December 2007 (UTC) reply

In a few months, but hey, thanks in advance! Appreciate it! Antandrus (talk) 04:40, 3 December 2007 (UTC) reply

Ha, well I figure it's better to get it out early while it's fresh and still shining in my watchlist. If I waited for exactly 4 years I'm very liable to forget completely. And we can't have that! Oh btw for your enjoyment! :) KnowledgeOfSelf | talk 15:14, 3 December 2007 (UTC) reply

That's funny--quite unusual for vandalism (most which regards the "gayness" or "cooness" of this or that). It's even got a cite! Antandrus (talk) 15:33, 3 December 2007 (UTC) reply

Just a quick thanks for the rv and block. :) -- Dreaded Walrus ^{t c} 23:57, 4 December 2007 (UTC) reply

No problem! it's obviously a reincarnation of the other blocked editor whose page he just visited (Drewflem or something) Antandrus (talk) 23:59, 4 December 2007 (UTC) reply

Yeah... signing his name in most of his edits kind of gave it away... So many vandals, all wanting to be the new Willy. Dreaded Walrus ^{t c} 00:00, 5 December 2007 (UTC) reply

I'm having trouble parsing this. Does he want the attention of being "banned" rather than "blocked"? LOL. Antandrus (talk) 00:18, 5 December 2007 (UTC) reply

He does come across as a non-native English speaker. I always find them charming. I am thinking of using his description of me in the references of my CV: "He very very very veryvery veryvery veryvery veryvery very very veryvery veryvery veryvery very very veryvery veryvery veryvery very very veryvery veryvery very very veryvery veryvery veryvery very gay." - drewflem1. -- Dreaded Walrus ^{t c} 00:39, 5 December 2007 (UTC) reply

Oh, and his Arnie-style addendum is amusing. :) -- Dreaded Walrus ^{t c} 00:41, 5 December 2007 (UTC) reply

I have to admit I laughed pretty hard when I went through all his contribs, including those. Not the freshest paper in the birdcage, that vandal. If he be back, we blockers be. Antandrus (talk) 00:56, 5 December 2007 (UTC) reply

Hey Antandrus, I’m trying to get WikiProject Contemporary music fully active. Do you know of any other Wikipedians that regularly contribute to modern music pages and might be interested in joining? I’ll also try to create a user page banner to help with the recruiting as well. -- S.dedalus ( talk) 04:03, 5 December 2007 (UTC) reply

Not nearly enough, is my opinion ... but there's a few active. The way I know now is who shows up on my watchlist. User:Jerome Kohl for certain; User:Mscuthbert may be interested; User:Rainwarrior; User:RobertG may be interested; User:Matt.kaner; User:Jashiin; User:Hyacinth is still active on and off; there's probably a dozen more more or less regular. You might try looking at articles on the major composers and their music to see who wrote them, who edits them, and who obviously watches over them (by the revert patterns). I'm probably missing some really obvious names (sorry if I missed you, reader happening by!) but these are off the top of my head. Yup, there's still a lot to do there... Antandrus (talk) 04:14, 5 December 2007 (UTC) reply

Hi, since you are a admin you might know how to center, left right, horizontally, and vertically align, if you could tell help me that would be great because Ive been stuck for ages now. Fattyjwoods ( talk) 04:30, 6 December 2007 (UTC) reply

Greetings: I'm no expert on Wiki markup ( User:Phaedriel designed my user page, and I don't make templates, user widgets, or fancy signatures; my main gig is contributing content and whacking vandals). However I find that Wikipedia:How to edit a page has a lot to get you started. What exactly are you trying to align? If it is a template you might look at the syntax in existing templates with lots of formating (like Template:Infobox). Image syntax is covered on the How page. You can probably find what you need by clicking on links from there. Another way is to find user pages you like that have things aligned the way you want, and just copy them. Hope this helps and good luck, Antandrus (talk) 04:42, 6 December 2007 (UTC) reply

Thanks!!! I found what I was looking for in that page, in the markup place. Great, I learnt something today, thanks again!! Fattyjwoods ( talk) 06:15, 6 December 2007 (UTC) reply

Glad to be of help! Have fun!  :) Antandrus (talk) 14:29, 6 December 2007 (UTC) reply

Hey, it's me again. Since you're a admin and you might know the answer to my question, I was just wondering if someone deletes all your work and replaces it with his/her own without notifying or telling you. Is that counted as vandalism? I won’t get into too much detail but you’ve been here longer than me so I decided to ask you. Thanks for all your help!! Fattyjwoods ( talk) 23:13, 6 December 2007 (UTC) reply

Hm, depends. Are you referring to this? No, not vandalism, but it's a little rude to do it without at least a talk page note that it's coming. I'd suggest merging the versions, picking salient facts from each. I've had it happen where I wrote something, and then someone came along and replaced it with something either better or worse ... in the cases where it was worse I usually gave it a day or two before changing it back just to make sure I wasn't overreacting, in the cases it was better I'd let it go. It's only vandalism if it was a deliberate attempt to compromise the quality of Wikipedia: even a poorer version, done in good faith, wouldn't be vandalism. Hope that helps ... I know this kind of thing can be stressful. Cheers, Antandrus (talk) 00:56, 7 December 2007 (UTC) reply

How did you know? Well yeah, you were right it was the Tainan thing. But the thing is I don't know whether it's better or worse. I guess there isn't much that I can do about it but thanks for your help anyway! Fattyjwoods ( talk) 03:29, 7 December 2007 (UTC) reply

		The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar
		For trying to help me deal legal threats by User:Christopher R Alex fusco 5 23:44, 7 December 2007 (UTC) reply

Thank you! Btw, it could be for real. Everything "negative" in that article is going to need a source. I think he's just over-reacting ... so many people come to Wikipedia thinking they can be the same bullies they are elsewhere on the internet. Cheers, Antandrus (talk) 23:46, 7 December 2007 (UTC) reply

He can't name me liable if he can't find me ;) Alex fusco 5 23:51, 7 December 2007 (UTC) reply

Yes ... oh, and by the way, I now notice that the "sex and drug" paragraph is sourced. Good. I didn't see that at first. Sourcing is everything .... Cheers, Antandrus (talk) 23:55, 7 December 2007 (UTC) reply

And on closer inspection, those "sources" are completely unacceptable. Only the NYT piece holds up, and that just involves a single incident at an airport. Antandrus (talk) 15:41, 8 December 2007 (UTC) reply

The Menudo stories on drugs and sex were all sourced stories and I went through several administrators before I placed the information. Allowing the Chris guy to bully you and make legal threats for reporting sourced original articles is against wiki policy. Jimbo Wales helped me a year ago on a issues and gave me his telephone and I will contact him if wiki policy is not be followed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Blue5864 ( talk • contribs) 03:02, 8 December 2007 (UTC) reply

So let me get this right -- you are threatening us with a "call to Jimbo" so you can restore poorly-sourced, libelous garbage? What are you smoking? Antandrus (talk) 03:04, 8 December 2007 (UTC) reply

What am I smoking that libel perse whats up with this language? I left a voice message on Jimbo's cell phone.-- Blue5864 ( talk) 03:41, 8 December 2007 (UTC) reply

You seriously don't understand what is wrong with "Also The national The Globe (tabloid) reported Gay sex and orgies were part of the Menudo group"? -- as one example. Please read our policy on citing and reliable sources. Thanks, Antandrus (talk) 05:18, 8 December 2007 (UTC) reply

Blue5864, I was in a big conflict with Chris and it escalated to legal threats. That information is poorly sourced and should not be readded without consensus on the talk page Alex fusco 5 15:31, 8 December 2007 (UTC) reply

Yes ... I believe now that Chris was in the right; it was unfortunate that he was being over-aggressive and tripped over our WP:NLT policy. That's how I originally became involved (seeing his threatening all-caps edit summaries on recent changes). Blue is trying to add a clearly policy-violating paragraph, which we can't have. Thanks all, Antandrus (talk) 15:39, 8 December 2007 (UTC) reply

Alex fusco 5 03:05, 8 December 2007 (UTC) reply

Hey Antandrus, I think you might get a laugh off this one! It's one of the more creative impostors I've seen. KnowledgeOfSelf | talk 17:48, 8 December 2007 (UTC) reply

• Block editor User:JewledgeOfSelf blocked by admin User:KnowledgeOfSelf Length: indefinite "impostor - username"

LOL. Either that or he should have named himself "BlockageOfSelf". Antandrus (talk) 18:17, 8 December 2007 (UTC) reply

LOL. Touché! KnowledgeOfSelf | talk 18:31, 8 December 2007 (UTC) reply

Hi again. Have you caught up with this yet? Here's the latest. I'm not sure I'll get a chance to attend to it as I am too busy defending myself from sustained provocations at the moment. Regards, El_C 02:01, 9 December 2007 (UTC) reply

He's been indef-blocked again, for that same threat. -- Dreaded Walrus ^{t c} 02:05, 9 December 2007 (UTC) reply

Oy, veh, sorry I've been away at extended family dinner. I see things have ...um ... "developed." 'Tis in the nature of this kind of newbie, those who commit wikicide by legal threat, -- but I'll have a look now to see if there's anything useful I can do. Antandrus (talk) 05:10, 9 December 2007 (UTC) reply

Oh-oh. Read it: read it all. We don't want this person editing here. Antandrus (talk) 05:15, 9 December 2007 (UTC) reply

That news story is made all the more interesting, as Blue5864 actually mentioned something about "gays", completely without prompting. I asked him for clarification, but I fear I may never know what he meant by "Walrus just because you are supporter as stated on your site for gays". :) -- Dreaded Walrus ^{t c} 05:32, 9 December 2007 (UTC) reply

Hm, I really have no idea what he meant by that either. Antandrus (talk) 05:56, 9 December 2007 (UTC) reply

The level of anon IP vandalism is quite intense, and has not abated in the last N months --- what do you think of a permanent semi-prot? Thanks! hike395 ( talk) 04:43, 10 December 2007 (UTC) reply

Hey, greetings! I just put a 3-month semiprotect on it. Let's see how that goes; if anyone complains I'd be happy to change it. Yeah, it's one of those subjects assigned in class which always get a lot of kid vandalism. Looks like I even did a recent revert on it (coincidental -- it wasn't on my watch list). Cheers! Antandrus (talk) 05:28, 10 December 2007 (UTC) reply

You are my hero. Shell ^babelfish 00:16, 11 December 2007 (UTC) reply

Thanks, LOL ... I have had a lot of fun putting those together, and there's always amusement to be had watching AN/I. Cheers! Antandrus (talk) 00:23, 11 December 2007 (UTC) reply

Deny this unblock request. Cheers, :) KnowledgeOfSelf | talk 05:31, 11 December 2007 (UTC) reply

...After I finish laughing. I had started to type out a response myself to that one, --he's a fairly accomplished troll, if you look at everything he's done, in order -- but then clicked "cancel" and just protected the page to shut him up. Another night, another troll: so it goes. Cheers! Antandrus (talk) 05:35, 11 December 2007 (UTC) reply

Too true too true. You know sometimes it's fun to play around with the trolls.... I probably shouldn't admit that, but it can be our only form of payment around here. :P KnowledgeOfSelf | talk 05:39, 11 December 2007 (UTC) reply

Block editor User:81.159.200.208 blocked by admin User:Antandrus Length: 3 hours "insufficiently distinguished vocabulary to be a competent Wikipedia editor"

Haha, I love it! Thanks for the chuckle. KnowledgeOfSelf | talk 03:50, 13 December 2007 (UTC) reply

Probably someone will complain ... but I get bored with the same summaries all the time! Cheers, Antandrus (talk) 03:51, 13 December 2007 (UTC) reply

Hi. a user you recently blocked and warned, ( 24.208.228.112) has started again, vandalising and abusing wiki and it's users on his talkpage. Can you help me out a little?

thanks;

Cf38 ( talk) 16:52, 11 December 2007 (UTC) reply

By the way, can anything be done about the abuse on his talk page? can it be protected/him blocked for a short amount of time for this reason?

Oy. That one again. He's blocked and the page protected yet again. Cheers, Antandrus (talk) 18:08, 11 December 2007 (UTC) reply

Ack, why did I think that hide bot edits from my watchlist would be a good thing? I guess I figured that bots would be doing things like fixing punctuation errors, or adding interwikis, and NOT going around deleting every image that my students uploaded because their fair use rationales said "Used in the article on Copland's ballet Rodeo" and not "Used in Rodeo (Copland)." Grr... I had specifically watchlisted every image to prevent these sorts of mass deletions. ah well. will alter the prefs for next time. Hope your editing today is better than this one has started for me. -- Myke Cuthbert (talk) 17:21, 11 December 2007 (UTC) reply

Oh, I hear you: there's a bunch of us who'd like to baseball-bat the bots, the lot of 'em, assault and bottery. You could leave a vent on Geogre's page: he's a friendly one in this regard. Some of them do good things, like the noble anti-vandalism bot, but ... remember the assessment bots? Just thinking on't makes me break out in hives. --Yes, some day I even plan to get back to writing articles, but I fear my temper has shortened to the danger-point, at least regarding the Wikipedia Rubber-Stamp departments. We'll see ... Hope you get a nice break for the holidays! Antandrus (talk) 17:36, 11 December 2007 (UTC) reply

Setting new lows in thank-you spam:

Antandrus, thank you for your support. I've always respected your leadership around here, so your support is especially meaningful. -- A. B. ^(talk) 22:15, 11 December 2007 (UTC) reply

You're welcome, and I'm glad to see you get the admin bit! That's the most creative "thank-you" I've ever seen for an RFA.  :) Antandrus (talk) 22:53, 11 December 2007 (UTC) reply

Thanks -- I put way too much time putting that thing together but it was fun. I also wanted to use Image:Domokun.jpg and Image:Godzilla （04）.jpg but I wasn't sure if they were really fair use, notwithstanding their tags. Spamming fair use images across 80+ user talk pages would not have made for a good start!
-- A. B. ^(talk) 23:04, 11 December 2007 (UTC) reply

That....is AWESOME...and so completely true. If you don't mind, I am going to link to that via my userpage. That is great. :) Take Care... NeutralHomer ^{T: C} 06:34, 12 December 2007 (UTC) reply

Thank you -- appreciate the compliment! Check out Raul's laws, and Moreschi's thoughts as well -- there's a lot of thoughtful people here. Cheers! Antandrus (talk) 14:29, 12 December 2007 (UTC) reply

Flap Jackson ( talk) 16:19, 12 December 2007 (UTC)Thanks for reverting the vandels on my page. I know the guy, and he's been stalking and vandelizing me all over the internet. He is not constructive to this site, in the least bit. Thanks again for the help! reply

You're welcome ... I blocked two separate IPs (pretending to be different people, but it was obvious they were working in tandem). Let me know if you have any more problems with the person here. Cheers, Antandrus (talk) 16:24, 12 December 2007 (UTC) reply

Yeah, thanks for catching some on my page, too. He seemed to get offended when I endorsed the deletion of his article. J-ſtan ^Talk _Contribs 16:26, 12 December 2007 (UTC) reply

Oh, yah, that one. He was spamming that message to dozens of user pages. I think it's a combination of clueless newbie and conflict of interest, looking at his deleted contributions--i.e. he just doesn't get what Wikipedia is (as I see you know from your contributions here). Antandrus (talk) 16:32, 12 December 2007 (UTC) reply

That's the one! J-ſtan ^Talk _Contribs 16:44, 12 December 2007 (UTC) reply

Ah, thanks for the praise. I had some spare time the other day, and with a friend we spoke-sang Thus Spoke Zarathustra back and forth to each other - wonderful experience. It's also outrageously good fun to apply bleeding chunks of the stuff there to Wikipedia - the results are really quite startling! It all makes for a life-affirming troll, anyway :) Cheers, Moreschi ^{If you've written a quality article...} 16:42, 12 December 2007 (UTC) reply

You are very rude. Please do not leave such messages on my page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.133.127.9 ( talk) 04:14, 13 December 2007 (UTC) reply

Responded on your talk page. And I assure you, my block summary, should it come to that, shall be unimpeachably civil and polite. Best wishes, Antandrus (talk) 04:17, 13 December 2007 (UTC) reply

Hi freind, Please check the sources of Yitzhak Yedid before you cut it, last time i didn't put the source clearlly.. in any case, I didn't invent it!! its written there clearlly and i just copy it, and by the way, he is my teacher. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.105.44.180 ( talk) 02:22, 15 December 2007 (UTC) reply

Thank you for your contributions, but please read our neutral point of view policy, and especially this -- conflict of interest. I try to avoid writing about my teachers, unless it is strictly factual stuff I am adding. It's very hard to write about people you know and remain neutral; truly notable people usually will have no shortage of writers, not known to the subjects of the articles, who will write them. Cheers, Antandrus (talk) 03:00, 16 December 2007 (UTC) reply