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I truly enjoyed working with you on Vera Gedroits and appreciated your thorough review. I am wondering if you have time or interest to review Acuña. Usually my foreign articles sit for a long time at GA review. The last Latina was there for 9 months. If you neither have time nor interest, no worries. :) SusunW ( talk) 17:22, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for the help. That was a rather heavy backlog. - Ad Orientem ( talk) 02:18, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
Hi, you have 3 bios in the row at the bottom of the set. We try to alternate bios and non-bios. Perhaps move up Abhilasha Kumari one line, and swap Renee Rabinowitz with The Hate U Give from Prep 2. That will also keep the U.S.-based hooks to 50% of the set. Thanks, Yoninah ( talk) 00:57, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
Hi again. Judging by the number of editors who have edited this article while on the main page (excluding the vandal), and the tweaks that have been made to both the article and the hook by administrator Floquenbeam after reports at WP:ERRORS, this article was rushed to print long before it was ready. It really didn't have to go up as a special occasion hook considering the condition it was in (and still is). A little frustrating for those of us at DYK who try to promote articles that will stand up to main-page scrutiny. Yoninah ( talk) 19:04, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
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On 29 October 2018, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Francisco Javier Arana, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that military officer Francisco Javier Arana, who briefly ruled Guatemala as part of a three-person junta, was subsequently killed in a shootout after threatening a coup? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Francisco Javier Arana. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page ( here's how, Francisco Javier Arana), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
Alex Shih ( talk) 00:02, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
Hi Vanamonde. I just wanted to offer my thanks for your comments over at the National Front FAC. The FAC was closed before I had had the chance to respond to all of your comments (especially those about trimming back the article length, which is a very valid point). I will work on your suggestions over the next few weeks and/or months before re-submitting the article to FAC. Once again, I appreciate you taking the time to look at the article. Best, Midnightblueowl ( talk) 13:28, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
Hi, appreciate your insight on my edit. Would you consider the first printed version of an ebook ("The Daughter of Odren") as well as new illustrations done in extensive collaboration with the author [1] (nb. Tor is owned by Macmillan, and the new book is from Simon & Schuster, very much not the same company) as sufficient to include the new collection in the list? I understand your point regarding noting the inclusion of previously printed work, and the danger of noting new printings of existing material. Certain collections like the Library of America collections seem to be more significant due their explicit curation, but still somewhere between clearly yes and clearly no, according to the definition you provided. 97.115.146.107 ( talk) 21:02, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
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Please don't accuse people of wheel warring when no such thing happened. At DYK, only one revert happened (my action), and no one did a second revert, which would have been wheel warring. User:Renata3 edited in her own preference without consensus, which is technically a misuse of the admin tools, but she did so with the best intentions (not for the right reasons initially, but that's a mistake, not a crime). My revert is not wheel warring, if someone else had reverted me, that would have been wheel warring. User:Mike Peel's removal of the hook also wasn't wheel warring (or any other form of admin tool abuse), it was not a rerevert of my (or any other) action, and by then it was very obvious that the hook was very contentious, and removing contentious hooks from the main page is usually a good thing (if there are, like here, good faith concerns: of course not all "contention" should be honoured in this way, e.g. people offended by a fringe theory being presented on the main page as a fringe theory and not as a valable alternative may be upset, but that's not a reason to pull such a hook).
If Renata3 had simply removed the hook, most of the ensuing problems wouldn't have happened. She would still have received flak (since removing hooks which aren't factually wrong and where there is no consensus for the removal is not really appreciated in most cases, admins don't have the right to impose their personal preference out of process over the preferences of multiple other editors who did follow process), but a lot less than now, where she not only disagreed with the agreed upon hook, but instead imposed her own hook which hadn't seen the scrutiny (for factual errors and so on) which other hooks need to get before they can get on the main page (even though said scrutiny is too often laughable, it still is better than none at all). Coupled with the errors in her reasoning for doing so, and you get all the brouhaha that happened here (well, we might have had brouhaha without her interfering of course, the hook in itself is obviously also responsible for the whole discussion). No consensus could be found over the next few hours, until the partisan Women in Red project was canvassed, which helped to establish a consensus against the hook (never mind that a consensus achieved by canvassing is not an acceptable way to proceed either). All in all, it was a trainwreck from start to finish, and people barging in with false claims of wheel warring didn't help to find a resolution or to calm down things at all. Fram ( talk) 08:43, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
"These last two edits are both questionable from a WP:WHEEL perspective"specifically in response to the notion that Mike was wheel-warring and you were not: I think you will agree that if Mike was wheel-warring (and I'm not saying he was) then you must have been too: on the other hand, if your actions were okay, then so were his. But this isn't the place to hash out my problems with TRM's approach (or really, the approach of several folks who took sides in that fracas): I think you and Mike Peel were both trying to make the best of a very messy situation, and though I may have disagreed with specific actions, I cannot fault your intentions overall. The problems at DYK are...complex. Wikipedia has the basic problem of being unable to make a reviewer do a proper review: review quality depends a lot on the reviewer, and a fair bit on luck. To be honest I think there's an about equal chance of a glaring error slipping through any review conducted by a reasonably experienced editor. The resulting error rate of any process is simply a function of the volume of content and the number of times a specific article gets looked at: DYK has the lowest reviewer/content ratio, and thus a high error rate overall. I say this after participating in the Wikicup last year and judging it this year, and seeing articles with basic policy failures pass literally every content review process we have (including FAC, though the problems there are mitigating by having a corps of dedicated and competent reviewers). All of which is to say: I think we have a lot to do on the quality control side, I think we're capable of making fixes if we're able to discuss the issues collaboratively, and while some folks at DYK have taken issue with your approach, I have yet to find a hook which you pulled in error, and I appreciate the effort you (and others) put in to check them. With respect to this specific hook: I'm not specifically against insults at DYK; many insults are more funny than insulting, and many are worn as a badge of pride by the insultee. I described this issue as one of misogyny because there is an unfortunate history of critics using women's sexuality to belittle them in a way that there just isn't for men. But reasonable people can disagree about that. Thanks for talking through this. Regards, Vanamonde ( talk) 16:24, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
Hi--wondering if you had some time to read Biography (TV series) and give me a few words of feedback re: areas to improve? Thank you in advance. Levivich ( talk) 09:46, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for doing the manual update. FYI for tagging articles with DYK talk, you can use the "tag" button in queue preview page (the same way as doing credits). Everything else look fine otherwise! Don't feel compelled to do manual update everyday if the bot stays down for a while. I am usually around this time also, so is Gatoclass I think. Cheers, Alex Shih ( talk) 05:06, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
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Dear sir I was just wondering if you can help I run the bros fan club and have followed the band since 1987, I had major issues with NRQ9 (wiki member)from Australia they know nothing about bros but target this specific pages, they also remove sourced ref content which I have got from magazines, official products, books etc which I own as I have been a collector of bros the band for 30 years and I NRQ9 needs to be made aware they cant run or try to own page or feel they can bully new members, how can I report this as I noticed the bros page has been locked which I feel is unfair on those who have sourced content to share. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.199.7.137 ( talk) 17:34, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
Dear sir the abuse I get from NRQ9 is awful, they also use secondary accounts, I am new wiki and the information I use is from publication going back 1987 how do reference the source, for example ( I use the article name date and company of who published the article, I believe that sufficient as not all information is on then internet). I would real appreciate your help — Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.200.65.6 ( talk) 09:29, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
you receive any echo-notification from me, a few days back? ∯WBG converse 07:19, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
I saw your block on user:Empress Jodha Begum. I have stumbled upon another editor making similar edits. [2] [3] -- Kansas Bear ( talk) 04:57, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
Vanamonde,
I would deeply appreciate it if you could restore Jeff Oster's page and give me a chance to remedy the problems you found with it.
Jeff is a very legitimate artist and is likely to be up for a Grammy award with the group FLOW.
As such, he deserved to be documented in Wikipedia.
Thank you for your consideration. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MAMusicologist ( talk • contribs) 05:34, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
I follow the group FLOW, which as some notable artists in Fiona Joy and William Ackerman, the founder of Windham Hill Records (and virtually founded the New Age movement).
I have a collection of reliable sources on Jeff.
I've also recovered his deleted Wikipedia article from some website that tracks deleted articles. I'm happy to cut and paste that in, but, honestly, I'm thinking about starting over with the sources I have. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MAMusicologist ( talk • contribs) 00:59, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
I'd welcome a copy from you then, for reference.
Thanks!
Can you put it here? Do you need an email address?
Tom — Preceding unsigned comment added by MAMusicologist ( talk • contribs) 15:41, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
Let's try this again. I put three references here yesterday and for some reason they aren't here now.
https://www.allmusic.com/album/true-mw0000585617 https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/yvqaem/vice-exclusive-can-we-all-please-calm-down-and-just-listen-to-some-new-age-jazz-for-once-420 http://www.ambientvisions.com/jeffoster.htm https://solarsystem.nasa.gov/resources/17599/saturn-calling-by-jeff-oster/ http://contemporaryfusionreviews.com/masterful-pertinent-contemporary-fusion-jeff-oster-reach/ https://www.jazzmonthly.com/jeff-oster-reach/ MAMusicologist ( talk) 15:20, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
Thanks! For some reason I didn't get notified of this via email, and so I decided to rewrite it from the ground up. Please have a look at it and let me know what you think. I think it is much better cited: /info/en/?search=Draft:Jeff_Oster — Preceding unsigned comment added by MAMusicologist ( talk • contribs) 03:10, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
Great comments. I was worried about the length of some of those. (I was doing some social media tracking for my real time job about five years ago and the attorneys always said less than 300 characters and less than that is better.)
As far as how I came to Jeff: a number if years ago I found out Ackerman was back in business after his apparent non-compete expired with Sony. Oster was new to his "troupe" (discovered him listening to Music Choice).
I did get this notification, by the way. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MAMusicologist ( talk • contribs) 03:43, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
You are correct I was my mistake it wasn't vandalism it was a personal attack. It was not a warning, a warning is issued when someone is violating policy. Please review the history I reverted Inspire Brands three times over a 4 day-period once on November 24, diff, once on the 27th diff, and I removed a speedy on the 28th. Given the sources a speedy should not apply given the AfD was redirect not delete, however I responded instead on the talk page after being questioned. The 28th at 00:02 was the last edit I made on the page. This is not edit warring three reverts over a period of 4 days is not edit warring you and I both know this. SportsFan007 also supported by edits. It was later discovered that SportsFan007 and Shusu have a history. Out of nowhere I was warned for edit warring, no such thing has occurred, also Shusu and SportsFan007 was involved but only I received the warning. After Serial Number 54129 jump in I took the discussion to DRV, the proper channel.
I've been around long enough that any question toward must be true and respectful. Since was are both very experienced we can tell when a warning is issued for the sole purpose of hindering discussion, vs actual disruptive behavior. For the record I have never edit warred, review my history. And in case there is any misunderstanding, the first thing I did was check to see if fellow editors involved were also warned, when I saw there weren't I released this was personal. FWIW Shusu revert 5 times in that period but received no warning. Valoem talk contrib 20:51, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
Hi, the meme around ligma seems to have died down, so what do you think of lowering a year of semi to six months of PC? Understandable if you'd prefer not to; just food for thought. Anarchyte ( talk | work) 12:04, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
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Hi! Some time ago my page was deleted. Recently, I've made some changes in the article. Can you please advise me what to do in order to publish it? What to add or what corrections to make? Thank you in advance and will be waiting for your response. Fair Expert ( talk) 13:15, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
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MediaWiki message delivery ( talk) 17:05, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
Hi, are you aware that the Holocaust is a singular event and is always capitalized in reference to the WWII Nazi murder of Jews? Please correct this. Thanks, Yoninah ( talk) 20:15, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for sorting that out. Could you have a look at the two edits from the IP on the talk page please? I've removed it from view; it's essentially the same thing.. Thanks, Nzd (talk) 20:11, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
Hi Vanamonde93, I would like to ask your opinion on the following issue: Recently I noticed that an anonymous user modified a data in the infobox of the article Vanessa Kraven, a source was present specifically for that data thus I checked it and I changed that data accordingly. A few days later I noticed that that data had been changed again by another IP that incidentally was already present in the chronology of the article. I reviewed the last contributions and found that all the edits since October 27th were focused on infobox data repeatedly changing them randomly. So I restored the data according to the source but a few days later the anonymous user changed it again. I refrained from modifying it once again as I do not want to get involved in edit wars. In any case I would like to know how to behave in cases like this (apart from warning an administator). Thanks in advance. PS: I also checked the contributions of the IP in other wiki-projects and found that it is blocked on it.wiki exactly for the same reason: entering false data (height, weight, etc.). Horst Hof ( talk) 13:32, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
If that's not happening, I would concur with Gatoclass, and ask that you replace "general competence" with "competence" in the previous remedy. - Vanamonde.
I'm not sure if you realize the "previous remedy" is being retained per the current proposed amendment. This means that he could still excoriate users for "specific incompetencies" unrelated to DYK. That's why I proposed the removal of the word "general". In short, whatever specific remedies are applied to the DYK area, the "general" qualifier stills needs to go. Gatoclass ( talk) 18:41, 9 December 2018 (UTC)
Ready for you to review and promote. Thanks, Yoninah ( talk) 22:48, 15 December 2018 (UTC)
Hi! I appreciate your spirit for serving wikipedia for such a long time. About the edit you reverted, I think you misunderstood what I actually wanted to say. The source given in the page is a huff-post which says that many deaths were caused by demonetization. Actually, the way the article has been written at that place seems to introduce a deliberate bias in the mind of a new reader, leaving no space for personal opinion or thought. If some policy is depicted to have caused deaths, it forms a general impression of disgust. When vaccines were introduced, do you think there were no test deaths? But is it wri tten so prominently that it alters the entire image of the process from good to bad? The Forbes article argues in a similar fashion: whether the 100 deaths accounted to demonetization are so much to ponder that they should undermine the reformatory cause it carries? Throughout the paragraph, demonetization has been portrayed as evil and no effort to reflect the economic help it has provided, has been made. The paragraph appears to be written by someone who wants to impose the ideology that the reform is fundamentally detrimental and the government is a fool.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2016/12/08/indias-demonetisation-kills-100-people-apparently-this-is-not-an-important-number/ Srdtheking ( talk) 16:15, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
And of course even on a experience basis the above Forbes article from a genuine author is far more reliable than a huff post with who knows who, unnamed writers. Srdtheking ( talk) 16:18, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
I mean I mistakenly used "a" instead of "an" before experience. Srdtheking ( talk) 16:19, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for clarifying! So you basically mean that if I'm able to draft a better paragraph in a neutral disposition while maintaining citations from independent intellectual resources, I have the complete liberty to include such opinions in the article. Thank you once again. But, please remember it isn't the contributor who decides the weight of particular sections of someone's work on his profile but it's the social order and the reader's reviews which help to do so. At this time the entire government seems to lose the next elections partly due to unsupported arguments on demonetization cited from Wikipedia which doesn't mention any of its benefits. So yes, it does impact Modi and that too pretty heavily.
Thanks for giving your time. Have a nice day/night. Srdtheking ( talk) 16:49, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
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I truly enjoyed working with you on Vera Gedroits and appreciated your thorough review. I am wondering if you have time or interest to review Acuña. Usually my foreign articles sit for a long time at GA review. The last Latina was there for 9 months. If you neither have time nor interest, no worries. :) SusunW ( talk) 17:22, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for the help. That was a rather heavy backlog. - Ad Orientem ( talk) 02:18, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
Hi, you have 3 bios in the row at the bottom of the set. We try to alternate bios and non-bios. Perhaps move up Abhilasha Kumari one line, and swap Renee Rabinowitz with The Hate U Give from Prep 2. That will also keep the U.S.-based hooks to 50% of the set. Thanks, Yoninah ( talk) 00:57, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
Hi again. Judging by the number of editors who have edited this article while on the main page (excluding the vandal), and the tweaks that have been made to both the article and the hook by administrator Floquenbeam after reports at WP:ERRORS, this article was rushed to print long before it was ready. It really didn't have to go up as a special occasion hook considering the condition it was in (and still is). A little frustrating for those of us at DYK who try to promote articles that will stand up to main-page scrutiny. Yoninah ( talk) 19:04, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
The feedback request service is asking for participation in this request for comment on Talk:Brett Kavanaugh. Legobot ( talk) 04:27, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
The feedback request service is asking for participation in this request for comment on Talk:Marital rape. Legobot ( talk) 04:29, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
On 29 October 2018, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Francisco Javier Arana, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that military officer Francisco Javier Arana, who briefly ruled Guatemala as part of a three-person junta, was subsequently killed in a shootout after threatening a coup? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Francisco Javier Arana. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page ( here's how, Francisco Javier Arana), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
Alex Shih ( talk) 00:02, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
Hi Vanamonde. I just wanted to offer my thanks for your comments over at the National Front FAC. The FAC was closed before I had had the chance to respond to all of your comments (especially those about trimming back the article length, which is a very valid point). I will work on your suggestions over the next few weeks and/or months before re-submitting the article to FAC. Once again, I appreciate you taking the time to look at the article. Best, Midnightblueowl ( talk) 13:28, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
Hi, appreciate your insight on my edit. Would you consider the first printed version of an ebook ("The Daughter of Odren") as well as new illustrations done in extensive collaboration with the author [1] (nb. Tor is owned by Macmillan, and the new book is from Simon & Schuster, very much not the same company) as sufficient to include the new collection in the list? I understand your point regarding noting the inclusion of previously printed work, and the danger of noting new printings of existing material. Certain collections like the Library of America collections seem to be more significant due their explicit curation, but still somewhere between clearly yes and clearly no, according to the definition you provided. 97.115.146.107 ( talk) 21:02, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
References
Please review the proposed newsletter in my Sandbox1]. Cwmhiraeth ( talk) 11:37, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
The WikiCup is over for another year! Our Champion this year is
Courcelles (
submissions), who over the course of the competition has amassed 147 GAs, 111 GARs, 9 DYKs, 4 FLs and 1 ITN. Our finalists were as follows:
All those who reached the final win awards, and awards will also be going to the following participants:
Awards will be handed out in the coming weeks. Please be patient!
Congratulations to everyone who participated in this year's WikiCup, whether you made it to the final rounds or not, and particular congratulations to the newcomers to the WikiCup who have achieved much this year. Thanks to all who have taken part and helped out with the competition.
Next year's competition begins on 1 January. You are invited to sign up to participate; it is open to all Wikipedians, new and old. The WikiCup judges will be back in touch over the coming months, and we hope to see you all in the 2019 competition. Until then, it only remains to once again congratulate our worthy winners, and thank all participants for their involvement! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. Sturmvogel 66 ( talk · contribs · email), Godot13 ( talk · contribs · email), Cwmhiraeth ( talk · contribs · email) and Vanamonde93 ( talk · contribs · email).
Thanks for your willingness to mentor me to learn more skills.
JogiAsad
Talk 12:22 pm, 21 November 2018, last Wednesday (4 days ago) (UTC−6)
News and updates for administrators from the past month (October 2018).
Please don't accuse people of wheel warring when no such thing happened. At DYK, only one revert happened (my action), and no one did a second revert, which would have been wheel warring. User:Renata3 edited in her own preference without consensus, which is technically a misuse of the admin tools, but she did so with the best intentions (not for the right reasons initially, but that's a mistake, not a crime). My revert is not wheel warring, if someone else had reverted me, that would have been wheel warring. User:Mike Peel's removal of the hook also wasn't wheel warring (or any other form of admin tool abuse), it was not a rerevert of my (or any other) action, and by then it was very obvious that the hook was very contentious, and removing contentious hooks from the main page is usually a good thing (if there are, like here, good faith concerns: of course not all "contention" should be honoured in this way, e.g. people offended by a fringe theory being presented on the main page as a fringe theory and not as a valable alternative may be upset, but that's not a reason to pull such a hook).
If Renata3 had simply removed the hook, most of the ensuing problems wouldn't have happened. She would still have received flak (since removing hooks which aren't factually wrong and where there is no consensus for the removal is not really appreciated in most cases, admins don't have the right to impose their personal preference out of process over the preferences of multiple other editors who did follow process), but a lot less than now, where she not only disagreed with the agreed upon hook, but instead imposed her own hook which hadn't seen the scrutiny (for factual errors and so on) which other hooks need to get before they can get on the main page (even though said scrutiny is too often laughable, it still is better than none at all). Coupled with the errors in her reasoning for doing so, and you get all the brouhaha that happened here (well, we might have had brouhaha without her interfering of course, the hook in itself is obviously also responsible for the whole discussion). No consensus could be found over the next few hours, until the partisan Women in Red project was canvassed, which helped to establish a consensus against the hook (never mind that a consensus achieved by canvassing is not an acceptable way to proceed either). All in all, it was a trainwreck from start to finish, and people barging in with false claims of wheel warring didn't help to find a resolution or to calm down things at all. Fram ( talk) 08:43, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
"These last two edits are both questionable from a WP:WHEEL perspective"specifically in response to the notion that Mike was wheel-warring and you were not: I think you will agree that if Mike was wheel-warring (and I'm not saying he was) then you must have been too: on the other hand, if your actions were okay, then so were his. But this isn't the place to hash out my problems with TRM's approach (or really, the approach of several folks who took sides in that fracas): I think you and Mike Peel were both trying to make the best of a very messy situation, and though I may have disagreed with specific actions, I cannot fault your intentions overall. The problems at DYK are...complex. Wikipedia has the basic problem of being unable to make a reviewer do a proper review: review quality depends a lot on the reviewer, and a fair bit on luck. To be honest I think there's an about equal chance of a glaring error slipping through any review conducted by a reasonably experienced editor. The resulting error rate of any process is simply a function of the volume of content and the number of times a specific article gets looked at: DYK has the lowest reviewer/content ratio, and thus a high error rate overall. I say this after participating in the Wikicup last year and judging it this year, and seeing articles with basic policy failures pass literally every content review process we have (including FAC, though the problems there are mitigating by having a corps of dedicated and competent reviewers). All of which is to say: I think we have a lot to do on the quality control side, I think we're capable of making fixes if we're able to discuss the issues collaboratively, and while some folks at DYK have taken issue with your approach, I have yet to find a hook which you pulled in error, and I appreciate the effort you (and others) put in to check them. With respect to this specific hook: I'm not specifically against insults at DYK; many insults are more funny than insulting, and many are worn as a badge of pride by the insultee. I described this issue as one of misogyny because there is an unfortunate history of critics using women's sexuality to belittle them in a way that there just isn't for men. But reasonable people can disagree about that. Thanks for talking through this. Regards, Vanamonde ( talk) 16:24, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
Hi--wondering if you had some time to read Biography (TV series) and give me a few words of feedback re: areas to improve? Thank you in advance. Levivich ( talk) 09:46, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for doing the manual update. FYI for tagging articles with DYK talk, you can use the "tag" button in queue preview page (the same way as doing credits). Everything else look fine otherwise! Don't feel compelled to do manual update everyday if the bot stays down for a while. I am usually around this time also, so is Gatoclass I think. Cheers, Alex Shih ( talk) 05:06, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
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Dear sir I was just wondering if you can help I run the bros fan club and have followed the band since 1987, I had major issues with NRQ9 (wiki member)from Australia they know nothing about bros but target this specific pages, they also remove sourced ref content which I have got from magazines, official products, books etc which I own as I have been a collector of bros the band for 30 years and I NRQ9 needs to be made aware they cant run or try to own page or feel they can bully new members, how can I report this as I noticed the bros page has been locked which I feel is unfair on those who have sourced content to share. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.199.7.137 ( talk) 17:34, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
Dear sir the abuse I get from NRQ9 is awful, they also use secondary accounts, I am new wiki and the information I use is from publication going back 1987 how do reference the source, for example ( I use the article name date and company of who published the article, I believe that sufficient as not all information is on then internet). I would real appreciate your help — Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.200.65.6 ( talk) 09:29, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
you receive any echo-notification from me, a few days back? ∯WBG converse 07:19, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
I saw your block on user:Empress Jodha Begum. I have stumbled upon another editor making similar edits. [2] [3] -- Kansas Bear ( talk) 04:57, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
Vanamonde,
I would deeply appreciate it if you could restore Jeff Oster's page and give me a chance to remedy the problems you found with it.
Jeff is a very legitimate artist and is likely to be up for a Grammy award with the group FLOW.
As such, he deserved to be documented in Wikipedia.
Thank you for your consideration. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MAMusicologist ( talk • contribs) 05:34, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
I follow the group FLOW, which as some notable artists in Fiona Joy and William Ackerman, the founder of Windham Hill Records (and virtually founded the New Age movement).
I have a collection of reliable sources on Jeff.
I've also recovered his deleted Wikipedia article from some website that tracks deleted articles. I'm happy to cut and paste that in, but, honestly, I'm thinking about starting over with the sources I have. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MAMusicologist ( talk • contribs) 00:59, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
I'd welcome a copy from you then, for reference.
Thanks!
Can you put it here? Do you need an email address?
Tom — Preceding unsigned comment added by MAMusicologist ( talk • contribs) 15:41, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
Let's try this again. I put three references here yesterday and for some reason they aren't here now.
https://www.allmusic.com/album/true-mw0000585617 https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/yvqaem/vice-exclusive-can-we-all-please-calm-down-and-just-listen-to-some-new-age-jazz-for-once-420 http://www.ambientvisions.com/jeffoster.htm https://solarsystem.nasa.gov/resources/17599/saturn-calling-by-jeff-oster/ http://contemporaryfusionreviews.com/masterful-pertinent-contemporary-fusion-jeff-oster-reach/ https://www.jazzmonthly.com/jeff-oster-reach/ MAMusicologist ( talk) 15:20, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
Thanks! For some reason I didn't get notified of this via email, and so I decided to rewrite it from the ground up. Please have a look at it and let me know what you think. I think it is much better cited: /info/en/?search=Draft:Jeff_Oster — Preceding unsigned comment added by MAMusicologist ( talk • contribs) 03:10, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
Great comments. I was worried about the length of some of those. (I was doing some social media tracking for my real time job about five years ago and the attorneys always said less than 300 characters and less than that is better.)
As far as how I came to Jeff: a number if years ago I found out Ackerman was back in business after his apparent non-compete expired with Sony. Oster was new to his "troupe" (discovered him listening to Music Choice).
I did get this notification, by the way. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MAMusicologist ( talk • contribs) 03:43, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
You are correct I was my mistake it wasn't vandalism it was a personal attack. It was not a warning, a warning is issued when someone is violating policy. Please review the history I reverted Inspire Brands three times over a 4 day-period once on November 24, diff, once on the 27th diff, and I removed a speedy on the 28th. Given the sources a speedy should not apply given the AfD was redirect not delete, however I responded instead on the talk page after being questioned. The 28th at 00:02 was the last edit I made on the page. This is not edit warring three reverts over a period of 4 days is not edit warring you and I both know this. SportsFan007 also supported by edits. It was later discovered that SportsFan007 and Shusu have a history. Out of nowhere I was warned for edit warring, no such thing has occurred, also Shusu and SportsFan007 was involved but only I received the warning. After Serial Number 54129 jump in I took the discussion to DRV, the proper channel.
I've been around long enough that any question toward must be true and respectful. Since was are both very experienced we can tell when a warning is issued for the sole purpose of hindering discussion, vs actual disruptive behavior. For the record I have never edit warred, review my history. And in case there is any misunderstanding, the first thing I did was check to see if fellow editors involved were also warned, when I saw there weren't I released this was personal. FWIW Shusu revert 5 times in that period but received no warning. Valoem talk contrib 20:51, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
Hi, the meme around ligma seems to have died down, so what do you think of lowering a year of semi to six months of PC? Understandable if you'd prefer not to; just food for thought. Anarchyte ( talk | work) 12:04, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
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MediaWiki message delivery ( talk) 17:05, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
Hi, are you aware that the Holocaust is a singular event and is always capitalized in reference to the WWII Nazi murder of Jews? Please correct this. Thanks, Yoninah ( talk) 20:15, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for sorting that out. Could you have a look at the two edits from the IP on the talk page please? I've removed it from view; it's essentially the same thing.. Thanks, Nzd (talk) 20:11, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
Hi Vanamonde93, I would like to ask your opinion on the following issue: Recently I noticed that an anonymous user modified a data in the infobox of the article Vanessa Kraven, a source was present specifically for that data thus I checked it and I changed that data accordingly. A few days later I noticed that that data had been changed again by another IP that incidentally was already present in the chronology of the article. I reviewed the last contributions and found that all the edits since October 27th were focused on infobox data repeatedly changing them randomly. So I restored the data according to the source but a few days later the anonymous user changed it again. I refrained from modifying it once again as I do not want to get involved in edit wars. In any case I would like to know how to behave in cases like this (apart from warning an administator). Thanks in advance. PS: I also checked the contributions of the IP in other wiki-projects and found that it is blocked on it.wiki exactly for the same reason: entering false data (height, weight, etc.). Horst Hof ( talk) 13:32, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
If that's not happening, I would concur with Gatoclass, and ask that you replace "general competence" with "competence" in the previous remedy. - Vanamonde.
I'm not sure if you realize the "previous remedy" is being retained per the current proposed amendment. This means that he could still excoriate users for "specific incompetencies" unrelated to DYK. That's why I proposed the removal of the word "general". In short, whatever specific remedies are applied to the DYK area, the "general" qualifier stills needs to go. Gatoclass ( talk) 18:41, 9 December 2018 (UTC)
Ready for you to review and promote. Thanks, Yoninah ( talk) 22:48, 15 December 2018 (UTC)
Hi! I appreciate your spirit for serving wikipedia for such a long time. About the edit you reverted, I think you misunderstood what I actually wanted to say. The source given in the page is a huff-post which says that many deaths were caused by demonetization. Actually, the way the article has been written at that place seems to introduce a deliberate bias in the mind of a new reader, leaving no space for personal opinion or thought. If some policy is depicted to have caused deaths, it forms a general impression of disgust. When vaccines were introduced, do you think there were no test deaths? But is it wri tten so prominently that it alters the entire image of the process from good to bad? The Forbes article argues in a similar fashion: whether the 100 deaths accounted to demonetization are so much to ponder that they should undermine the reformatory cause it carries? Throughout the paragraph, demonetization has been portrayed as evil and no effort to reflect the economic help it has provided, has been made. The paragraph appears to be written by someone who wants to impose the ideology that the reform is fundamentally detrimental and the government is a fool.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2016/12/08/indias-demonetisation-kills-100-people-apparently-this-is-not-an-important-number/ Srdtheking ( talk) 16:15, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
And of course even on a experience basis the above Forbes article from a genuine author is far more reliable than a huff post with who knows who, unnamed writers. Srdtheking ( talk) 16:18, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
I mean I mistakenly used "a" instead of "an" before experience. Srdtheking ( talk) 16:19, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for clarifying! So you basically mean that if I'm able to draft a better paragraph in a neutral disposition while maintaining citations from independent intellectual resources, I have the complete liberty to include such opinions in the article. Thank you once again. But, please remember it isn't the contributor who decides the weight of particular sections of someone's work on his profile but it's the social order and the reader's reviews which help to do so. At this time the entire government seems to lose the next elections partly due to unsupported arguments on demonetization cited from Wikipedia which doesn't mention any of its benefits. So yes, it does impact Modi and that too pretty heavily.
Thanks for giving your time. Have a nice day/night. Srdtheking ( talk) 16:49, 17 December 2018 (UTC)