Wrong suggestion. I am not apologizing to vandals and xenophobes. - Darwinek 12:58, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
Wow, String em up!?-- MONGO 14:50, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
According to the official protection policy you should have protected National Socialism in version it happened to be currently in. I believe that you were acting in good faith, but by reverting and then protecting you misused your administrator tools. -- Vision Thing -- 19:31, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
Hi. It looks like User:Azerbaijani violated 1RR parole on History of Azerbaijan. Here is his first rv: [2] to this version [3], and here he restored the tags without any substantiation on talk: [4], which is partial revet to the same version: [5] Grandmaster 20:16, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
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link)I saw the Forbes article. it certainly supports the narrative that Somary was involved in making a loan to Erhard that he probably shouldn't have, and it details some of the odd terms. It seems like that would be appropriate to add to the WEA article to help explain how it was founded etc. The WEA article doesn't seem to have a history section. You could certainly describe from the Forbes article how Erhard obtained the loan from ICF and how Forbes says he used the money to acquire his old businesses. Of course people mentioneed in other articles are still covered by BLP, but I think that noting that the money to found WEA was loaned from ICF and Somary in an unusual transaction gives the facts without the slanted impression created by a dedicated article just on Somary. Thatcher131 04:12, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
I assume interesting that you did not let develop Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Darwinek 2 for longer time. ≈Tulkolahten≈ ≈talk≈ 08:55, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
Hi, would you review the sockpuppetry evidence I posted on User talk:Malber please. Troubling case. I appreciate your AGF, but I'm afraid you were a bit too optimistic. Fut.Perf. ☼ 17:18, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
I've been watching this case (see here), but real-life events slowed me from heading to SSP earlier...I'm inclined to agree with Future Perfect's assessment. -- Scientizzle 17:34, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
Hello,
An Arbitration case involving you has been opened: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Darwinek. Please add any evidence you may wish the arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Darwinek/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Darwinek/Workshop.
On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, Newyorkbrad 19:02, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
Although Eupator did not violate the 1RR injunction, he did violate other rules such as removal of properly sourced, verifiable evidence, and making false claims (such as that user:Alidoostzadeh supported him, whilst it was none other than Ali who presented the Encyclopedia Iranica link as a proof of Persian origin of Tigranes the Great and his dynasty), and misrepresentation (calling his friends such as user:Davo88, user:Vartanm, user:Artaxiad as "third-party" editors). The evidence was presented in full here [11] and here [12]. While I will add this to the arbitration case, nevertheless, I should note that when an EXACTLY similar complaint was filed by user:Artaxiad against me [13], despite it misrepresenting the facts and giving only 2 carefully selected diffs, admin Teke blocked me for 5 days (which was unblocked by another admin precisely on the grounds of unjustified block, as I was not wrong in my actions). Meanwhile, Eupator is removing and supressing all the verifiable academic evidence for months now, and that should not be allowed. -- adil 20:48, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
I'd considered something like that, actually. Given how broad the area of dispute is, though, there would be thousands of articles potentially subject to such a probation; so I'd prefer to merely leave the option on the table as a last resort for now. Kirill Lokshin 04:14, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
You indicated that you wanted a Czech speaker to verify a translation of a Czech statement. I suggest that you approach Mike Rosoft ( talk · contribs) about this, if you haven't already done so, since he lives in the Czech Republic (and appears to be a native or advanced Czech speaker) and his involvement in this case appears to be minimal or nonexistent. TML 04:35, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
proposed decision ==
I am posting this here, since you were a contact in ArbCom case. In the proposed decision on sockpuppetry charge with regards to myself, I would like to attract the attention to the decision of User:Khoikhoi [15]. It clearly states that I was a newbie. Indeed, the account Tengri, who was more likely to be my meatpuppet rather than sockpuppet, was established 7 days after I first came to Wikipedia. Obviously, I wasn't well aware of the rules back then, neither was the banned. And the record after that shows that I haven't attempted to create any socks or evade blocks since that case. If it's necessary, I can also ask for user Tengri to contact the ArbCom committee directly, to confirm that he is not me. After being banned, Tengri is no longer active in Wikipediting, but he can definitely confirm that by email. And in general, I don't think that having violated far less rules than some other users (only two cases of revert warring and sock ban due to inexperience), I deserve to be given the same ban as those who have a lengthy record of experience and more serious violations. Thanks. Atabek 11:53, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
Hi. I believe User:HyeProfile is in violation of his parole here: [16] Note that he was added to the list by the admin User:Golbez, but HyeProfile keeps on reverting the page despite being notified of the parole. Grandmaster 16:47, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
Hello, it may be just me but I feel that much of Adil's complaints are wholly provocative. While the ArbCom deliberations have been taking place the past few days, Adil seems to be jumping from one Armenian-related topic to another, making edits so controversial and odious that they would almost surely require intervention specifically by an Armenian user. Up until two days ago, the articles Sumgait Pogrom. Battle of Kelbajar (a current GA article), and Capture of Shusha were all stable, either from POV or accuracy. I had been committing my past efforts these few weeks on articles unrelated to the disputes ( Ivan Bagramyan, Ronald Reagan and its FAC, etc.) And then, when Adil made those changes, I duly reverted them back because his rationale for removing sources lied solely on the identity of the source.
This natural reaction provoked me, and he exploited this by complaining to me on the Arbitration enforcement board [17]. You waived his complaint yet he went ahead and made similar controversial edits on the Ramil Safarov page just today and, provoking two Armenian users (Eupator and Fedayee), complained about them for violating the ArbCom rulings [18].
Why is he allowed to engage in such conspicuous hit-and-run edits at a time he is being considered for a 1 year ban [19] due to his contributions over the past year? I have had absolutely little to no qualms with Azeri users until Adil's appearance because his edits are so pernicious, so intent on vilifying Armenians that I myself am baited into intervening in his edits. I hope you would take these notes into consideration but he is wearing the patience of both me and those Armenian users who have exercised a great deal of restraint during the ArbCom proceedings and are followed its 1RR ruling to the point. -- MarshallBagramyan 02:05, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
Do you see my point? his incessant stalking of wherever I post borders on harassment.-- MarshallBagramyan 06:23, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
Am I allowed to revert myself, or will that break 1rr? Azerbaijani 13:51, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
You wrote a notice at the top of Talk:Srebrenica massacre, stating that User:Osli73 was banned by the ArbCom from editing the article for three months. However, as far as I can see, this was not a decision taken by the ArbCom but by you personally, based in some way on the Kosovo decision. Could you please clarify whether you were instructed by the ArbCom in this matter or decided on your own authority? By the way, I'm not disputing the ban. Cheers, Jitse Niesen ( talk) 03:44, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
Hi. User:Artaxiad is in violation of his 1RR parole here: [20] [21]
He made 2 reverts in less than 24 hrs. Regards, Grandmaster 07:46, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
Also, I think User:Aivazovsky needs to provide an explanation of his reverts here and here. On Khojaly massacre he undid all edits by Adil and Francis Tyers without any explanation on talk. Note that those edits had consensus, reached after discussions on talk. According to injunction, the person who made an rv needs to provide a rationale on talk. Grandmaster 08:30, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
What happen to freedom of speech? Artaxiad 19:14, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
hi, recently, when i opened main page of wikipedi and wanted to sign in , i got an alert that i have new message, and before i signed in i had to check and found this bizarre think: [22] I do not know, why something happened in september 2006 got now alerted and also, very bizarre I bought this computer[it is not used, but new one] on september 13 2006 and got internet access only after a month in the beginning or midst of october, so clearly this ip address couldn't do any edit in september 2006 because then i hadn't access to internet through this comp, and why this message or alert by a bot was left only now, that is on this day? clearly that was not there yesterday. thanks, and help me find the answer. Elsanaturk 00:57, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
Hi. Please be aware that User:HyeProfile is in violation of his parole a number of times already. He has been edit warring on Nagorno-Karabakh article for quite some time now. Please see this evidence presented by the admin User:Golbez to arbcom: [24], and this are diffs provided by Golbez on violation of 1RR by this user on March 27: [25] (specific diffs: [26], [27], [28], [29]; the first two are reverting to a version being edit warred on previous days, the second two are reverting to those versions again). I hope Golbez would not object that I copied part of his evidence here, but urgent measures are really necessary. Regards, Grandmaster 04:55, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
Hi Thatcher, Richard Malter has let me know that I'm "not welcome" on his Talk page, and has deleted my last messages to him there. So I cannot respond to his comments on his Talk page, and he is banned by ArbCom from posting on Talk:BDORT. In addition, I believe we have addressed, and have responded in detail to, all his concerns in the past. All he seems to be doing is re-hashing the same points over and over, in the hope that we'll eventually give up and let him have his favored WP:COI version. We have already spent countless words debating these issues ad nauseam, and his repeated attempts to rehash the same old issues are becoming very disruptive and WP:POINT. Crum375 16:41, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
Hello Thatcher, I am getting some very bad press from Crum375 as usual. First as I have been told myself the ArbCom did not rule on content but on 'behaviour'. I think there are serious content issues. Please note that my previous strong recommendations for changing the article re BLP, NPOV have nearly all been actually implemented, though against prolonged and heavy resistance - including a very, very serious breach of BLP that caused real world harm to the subject which I did edit against "aggressively" (which is WP policy?!) and had to be speedily deleted at my request by an Admin as such. The points I put on my talk page have not been addressed at all and I am requesting comments on them. I think this is perfectly OK WP 'behaviour'; As an interested party, I am keeping away from the Talk page re the ArbCom ruling etc and just inviting other editors to get involved; and again my actual track record as I note above is excellent in terms of my suggestions actually being implemented (as necessary changes). I reject the "disruptive" claim by Crum375 100% - I think I am only disruptive to certain entrenched POVs, as I have been all along. Richardmalter 10:33, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
I will, but I want to make it clear that the main person edit-warring it not presently listed as a party on the arbitration and has no remedy yet proscribed for him. I do hope that the Arbcom notices my evidence and statement. -- Golbez 17:27, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for [32]. See also [33], I'm getting tired ;-) Paul August ☎ 19:56, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
You might be interested in this 3RR report. Regards, Newyorkbrad 21:04, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
Looking through the Ilena/Fyslee Arb, I found that you proposed article probation [34]. Do you know if this has been done elsewhere? I think something should be done about the alt med articles, and it's the best proposal I've seen. -- Ronz 21:42, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
If you will not permit the discussion on the Workshop page, could you please edit my advice to be appropriate for filing the RfC? Thank you. -- Rednblu 23:07, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for waiting for my response before closing up the ArbCom enforcement report on Arbustoo. I see the Remedy may be ambiguous; is ArbCom aware of the need to better word Remedies, or is that not an issue? Perhaps I should watchlist ArbCom cases; at any rate, I hope the problem in wording of remedies is highlighted, since edit warring is edit warring, regardless of the article or set of articles. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 13:30, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
Hi Thatcher131,
Thanks for your input
here; just to let you know (before the thread is automatically archived again) that I've left a further thought for your (or anyone else's) consideration. Yours,
David Kernow
(talk)
11:04, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
This arbitration case has closed and the final decision is available at the link above. Darwinek's administrative privileges are revoked. He may reapply at any time via the usual means (RfA) or by appeal to the Arbitration Committee. Darwinek is placed on standard civility parole for one year. This notice is given by a Clerk on behalf of the Arbitration Committee. Newyorkbrad 15:04, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
Here we go again. A Kinsella sock has shown up this time to sanitize the entry and add unsourced crap. Does it ever end? Telephon 12:38, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
I think that you guys should revisit your decision on Atabek. He doesn't add anything positive to the Armenian-Azeri dispute resolution. Worst of all is his denial of the Armenian Genocide. [35] -- Aivazovsky 15:21, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
Could you please check recent contributions of Artaxiad ( talk · contribs)? He vandalises user pages and posts insulting comments. Administrator's intervention is necessary. Thanks. Grandmaster 15:30, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
Your last edit to the evidence page confuses me. What's up? Mackensen (talk) 18:32, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
Has re-appeared, this time using the account User:Tom Mandel. He appears to have ignored your warning at User:Fixaller. I have filed the relevant CheckUser and ArbCom notices, but I have a question: did the ArbCom ban on his editing science- and pseudoscience-related articles extend to their talk pages? He has started to flame on Talk:Systems theory, and I have no wish for a repeat of Talk:Crop circle. Thanks. Michaelbusch 00:33, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
Don't you think one year is too long??? 63.118.235.195 02:10, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
Hi. Why did you ignore my objection? Thanks. El_C 22:41, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
Hello Thatcher131. I just want to say that, although I disagree with you on some aspects of this, I sincerely appreciate your effort to find a proper resolution. Cheers. -- Zero talk 01:23, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
Looking back that discussion was probably beneficial in the long run. I apologise for calling it a waste of time. – Steel 14:50, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
What's up with Kinsella re-writing his Wikipedia entry? Catworthy 00:13, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
I have provided a rebuttal on all the pages which Catworthy has left a comment. Permit me to add this in support of my position:
The recent material added is all sourced and presents a balanced NPOV.I see that Catworthy would prefer that I add material on the Ontario Lottery matter, subject which is taken up with much vigor by Mark Bourrie on his blog [37],I may add something in a calmer atmosphere.
Interesting,that this recent [38]unsourced entry about Mr. Kinsella was added by Catworthy and the allegations are so similar to those of Telephon [39]an Arthur Ellis sock [40].
Thank you for your time. TropicNord
Thatch, as much as the rules that the ArbCom decided on must be stringently enforced, it's equally as important to pay attention to Atabek who has been keen on exploiting the loopholes of the ArbCom's decision by making a mockery of it. It's simple for him to make some controversial edit that will guarantee a reaction from the Armenian side to revert the change and then maintain that position to have someone, like Fedayee today, to be banned for it.
All it takes for Atabek is to make small changes here and there, play games with the system by crying foul and then getting off the hook while the unassuming editor gets punishment because of the exploitation of the rules. Adil did the same thing and he was banned for a year, many users, including Azerbaijani, are upset with the lenient restrictions imposed upon Atabek which only allows him to make the same pernicious edits over and over again. Regards, -- MarshallBagramyan 19:21, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
"In additiont to the improbability of an unrelated user caring whether or not a troll was misidentified..." Should I be expressing gratitude that I was not blocked as well, since I also pointed out that it was an imposter on the same page at about the same time? Everyking 07:46, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
THanks. Midgley 21:02, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
Dear Thatcher131,
I changed the link back; I feel that the active discussion needs to be separated from old ones (once they go stale then we can move them to the case page). I'm not entirely convinced of what I did, though, so feel free to convince me. :) -
Penwhale |
Blast him /
Follow his steps
06:28, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
As is, it's sitting at 100k+ for the case talk page.. another reason why I dislike using the talk page to discuss. ;x - Penwhale | Blast him / Follow his steps 06:34, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
First thank you for your cool head.
I don't always agree with your concusion but respect your judgment and acting in cool head under intense situation.
I don't think there will be a need to go into the Larouche issues raised by willbeback. Zero has been violating so many Wikipedia policies (both as admin and as editor) and also have been specifically instructed by Fred bauder not to apply probation ban as the first measure of dispute resolution against a user under probation [49]:
:He(Zeq) is certainly a zionist, but as to redeeming features I would disagree. My dialog with him dates from his arbitration case, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Zeq, and I have found him willing to discuss matters in a reasonable way. That does not mean that I consider him to now be engaged in optimal editing. The link to the article was not good today, so I can't comment on that. I think you assume too much. You say, "Of course he knows it is nonsense". I think that, in fact, he does not know it is nonsense. But I do think he might listen to and understand a patient explanation presented in a courteous way. Now it may be that he will just get worse and probation, Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Zeq#Remedies, will have to be more and more vigorously enforced, but my hope is that he will gradually improve in his behavior. Keep in mind that "He may be banned by any administrator for good cause from any article which he disrupts by tendentious editing." If that is necessary, please ask for it. Fred Bauder 13:12, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
Key word here is "ask": "If that is necessary, please ask for it".
Zeq 12:34, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
He is trying to bait me into arguing with him. Look at all the cheap shots he throws at me here, diverting a whole section into an attack on me: [50] [51] [52]
Basically, he is calling me immoral, uncivilized, uneducated, etc... he also tries to tell me which Wikipedia articles I can and cannot edit, etc... you can just read his comments.
By his comments, it is very apparent that he is leaving or wants to leave Wikipedia and wants to take me down with him. I will not respond to him anymore, but be reminded that this is the same tactic that users Atabek and Adilbaguirov used against me several times in their attempt at character assassination. They have several times tried to make me angry or make me say something for which they can get me banned from Wikipedia. These users have all been warned at one point or another about civility and not commenting on users by other admins.
I fail to understand why these users (Atabek and Elsanaturk) were not banned. Azerbaijani 20:39, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
Thatcher, I am concerned about targetting of myself by group of Armenian contributors and by Azerbaijani. First of all, I didn't even have time to contribute to pages edited by Azerbaijani since ArbCom, so I don't see what he wants from me. I see this only as attempt of character assassination and harassment. About Aivazovsky and Bagramyan, both showed their inability to come to compromise on Qazakh and March Days talk pages. And Bagramyan here [54] is removing sourced information without any discussion. So in their inability to try consensus, both are just concentrated on complaining about me. Please, pay attention especially to Talk:March Days, despite my attempts to contribute and edit the article, Fedayee and MarshallBagramyan are joined in edit warring and targeting me. In tandem with these, socks of user Artaxiad vandalized my user page 5 times. I think this is a harassment campaign rather than objective attempt to disengage from warrior attitude. Atabek 05:47, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
Hasn't Dacy69 violated 1RR by reverting twice within 7 days in Khachkar destruction? Not only did he revert twice within a week he didn't even write anything in the talk page [55]. His second edit summary said reverting vandalism even though it's clearly a content dispute of which he has a been part of all along.-- Ευπάτωρ Talk!! 15:30, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
Could you explain to me how you got that diff on the ANI page just now? (the one I got wrong?) Since it was archived by a bot I did not know another way. What did you do to get it? Sincerely, Mattisse 19:16, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
P.S. I trust your judgment as I follow what you do. Sincerely, -- Mattisse 03:09, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
Can you answer this request? I have been wondering about it for quite awhile now [59]. Thanks. The Behnam 20:37, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
Would you please tell me which of my edits to global warming you consider inappropriate, and why? James S. 06:52, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
Just to offer you my thanks for banning James S - he has been disrupting the article at a time when it needs all the stability it can get William M. Connolley 09:46, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
Accusations of disruption are personal attacks. Please tell me which edits you consider inappropriate. James S. 14:39, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
I urge you to keep the ban in place - James S is providing good evidence of why he is deeply unhelpful on the GW page William M. Connolley 14:03, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
I know that you are very busy, and I seriously appreciate all the work you do as evidenced here on your talk page. But would you please tell me which edits exhibited poor behavior in your view? Thank you. James S. 13:19, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
Hello,
An Arbitration case in which you commented has been opened: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Zeq-Zero0000. Please add any evidence you may wish the arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Zeq-Zero0000/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Zeq-Zero0000/Workshop.
On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, David Mestel( Talk) 19:38, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
Thank you. Corvus cornix 23:55, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
Here are at least four other webpages where the poem is reprinted in it's entirety, including on news organizations. I indicated I would willingly amend the citation to include one or more or all of them.
http://www.richmond.com/news/output.aspx?Article_ID=4654611&Vertical_ID=23&tier=2&position=1
http://oursaviorhoneycreek.blogspot.com/
http://withonlineintegrity.blogspot.com/
What is your response now?
Retrieved from " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:X4n6" X4n6 00:05, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
Hi. I would like to ask your advice. User:Vartanm restored edits of banned sock accounts to Ganja. It is against the rules, as banned users are not entitled to edit Wikipedia. Vartanm did not respond to my request for anyone wishing to readd the section created by socks to quote the sources cited in that paragraph on talk, so that we could verify the accuracy of the claims. I checked one of the sources available online, and it does not say what is attributed to it. I think the issues like this require admin control, as this user’s recent contribs are nothing but baiting other users to edit warring. Grandmaster 06:36, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
I think it's better to annotate for context than to rely on the statements remaining in the same order in future. People jump in and add comments, and context is easily lost. The simplest solution is usually the best. -- Tony Sidaway 00:17, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
Thank you, that was quick! As for my "casting a wide net", please note my attempt here, before posting any evidence, to find out just how wide a scope the arbcom was looking for. I took Mackensen's response as encouragement to post exactly the kind of evidence I then did post. Admittedly Mackensen was a bit vague. Bishonen | talk 14:11, 19 April 2007 (UTC).
Thank you for your note. I replied with questions [62] . Tobias Conradi (Talk) 16:17, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
Honestly Thatch, I'm fed up by User:Dacy69's bait, provoke, insult and switch methods. He continuously reports me and Fedayee for these ridiculous reasons [63] because he still has not grown accustomed to the Talk Page. He's always intransigent, he never accepts compromise with his "my way or the highway" ideology and continuously, just hacks away by provoking us into these shouting matches. Where does the buck stop? This is borderline harassment: he interprets everything that goes against his POV as personal attacks and then reports us, only to be turned away because they are baseless charges. You asked me to keep track of his methods and the above link just about illustrates it. I can't be looking over my shoulder every second to see if I have been reported again.
He was placed on a 1 year revert parole yet cannot help himself to agitate the other editors, attacking us because of our ethnicity and then throwing the blame on us. I've gotten sick of this already....-- MarshallBagramyan 23:47, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
You would better support your accussations. It is you who put ethnic watershed. You asking me why I am editing ARF page, or Armenian related page. You have not engaged in discussion until I complained. You just blindly deleted edits - not only on ARF page but several others. It is enough to check your contribs.I think we can distinguish content dispute from personal attacks. Diffs I presented speak for themself. I can't work - whenever I touch articles - it is reverted frequently without any explanation. I complaining to this and other admins because there is no remedy thus far against constant attacks. You are pursuing this strategy to force me not to touch certain articles which you deem that you posses them. Go on RfC page and make your comments - not on me, on the content. You are refering to Arbcom parole. yes, I was put on parole for revert wars as well as many others like Fedayee - plus others for personal attacks, not me. Your accusation here about harassing is groundless. You just can't accept any other editor with different ethnic background to your domain. This is a real problem.-- Dacy69 01:08, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
I quoted you, what better way to support them(I have yet to see where the personal attacks you accuse us are)? I did not discuss because we had already discussed Papazian far before the arbitration started. You embellished it with other alleged sources(which were found to not support your wording) and reintroduced knowing the result. I reverted, knowing that Fedayee will revert you to then violate his 1RR parole for something (Papazian) which previously created a revert war and the protection of the article. You now have enough attention on that article and are claiming to be willing to make concessions and dropping Papazian. You should have thought of this before reintroducing the controversial source without a follow up of the previous discussion. You forced Fedayee into another pointless revert war. Am I the only one who sees the irony in your last remark? I have FA articles, which obviously would have required collective contribution between various editors regardless of their ethnic background. You on the other hand keep calling Armenian contributors as your opponents, and what I have quoted here were your words not mine. This is my last answer, I do not wish to exhort Thatcher on what to do, we are on another person talk page.-- MarshallBagramyan 01:50, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
..........is this really necessary? [64] Ashkani 06:22, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
Your approach to MedianLady case has been disrespectable, immature and utterly inappropriate. You have blocked her, because she was speking of the truth, which you could not handle it – it is a collective punishment, that she did not deserve. You have threatened Ashkani in the same manner, which demonstrates that you are a young and immature character. Thius is your duty as an Admin to go through formal and normal checks to establish that MedianLady and I are not the same people, before accusing her of any wrong doings; - instead you have blocked her based on your personal assumption and conclusion. In the meanwhile I hope you come to your senses and do the right things, i.e. go through formal channels to establish the alleged suck-puppetry, and resolve this matter in a responsible manner. ← ← Parthian Shot (Talk) 08:33, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
I also replied to her followup:
If you are not, and if you wish your account unblocked on the grounds that I made a mistake, post the {{unblock}} template on your talk page to have the block reviewed. I would rather not entertain further edits from another user whose main goal is to use a sockpuppet to turn Wikipedia into a racial or ethnic battleground, but I am willing to have that opinion reviewed by another admin.
I still believe that MedianLady is a sock puppet or alternate account of another user, created for purposes of making a disruptive allegation (perhaps to keep her main account "clean"). This is not permitted either. In any case, the next step belongs to MedianLady, to request unblocking and an independent review in her own name. Thatcher131 16:08, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
Do you think this - mentioned by two users - merits adding to my RfArb? -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk 19:04, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
I was heavily involved in the article for a while and I dropped out of editing it because of the reasons I outlined in my note. I'm actively avoiding the article due to the behavior of those editors in the EVP article and others. I'll let you decide if that means I'm "involved" or not. --- J.S ( T/ C/ WRE) 02:05, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
You wrote:
Whoops! Thanks. Um... except, if the editor copies the template onto the page as instructed, the original commented-out lines aren't copied, so the internal comment would become just a regular comment again. I don't see why that wouldn't work. Newyorkbrad 21:51, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
Would you mind weighing in at the recent discussion on the banning policy about this? (It's a bit of reading, but the related threads are Wikipedia_talk:Banning_policy#Deletion_of_text_from_WP:BAN.23Community_ban and Wikipedia_talk:Banning_policy#Community_ban_section_is_instruction_creep). Dmcdevit· t 22:49, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
I was referring to the AN/I quotations of emails done by Ramas Arrow and a few others (if I recall correctly). Those should be oversighted no? - Penwhale | Blast him / Follow his steps 02:56, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
Even as a preliminary naming, the title "Cabalism" is extremely provocative for this situation, in my opinion. Could it be changed to "Hkelkar et al", "Hkelkar 2" or similar, please? Daniel Bryant 05:25, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
Wrong suggestion. I am not apologizing to vandals and xenophobes. - Darwinek 12:58, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
Wow, String em up!?-- MONGO 14:50, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
According to the official protection policy you should have protected National Socialism in version it happened to be currently in. I believe that you were acting in good faith, but by reverting and then protecting you misused your administrator tools. -- Vision Thing -- 19:31, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
Hi. It looks like User:Azerbaijani violated 1RR parole on History of Azerbaijan. Here is his first rv: [2] to this version [3], and here he restored the tags without any substantiation on talk: [4], which is partial revet to the same version: [5] Grandmaster 20:16, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
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link)I saw the Forbes article. it certainly supports the narrative that Somary was involved in making a loan to Erhard that he probably shouldn't have, and it details some of the odd terms. It seems like that would be appropriate to add to the WEA article to help explain how it was founded etc. The WEA article doesn't seem to have a history section. You could certainly describe from the Forbes article how Erhard obtained the loan from ICF and how Forbes says he used the money to acquire his old businesses. Of course people mentioneed in other articles are still covered by BLP, but I think that noting that the money to found WEA was loaned from ICF and Somary in an unusual transaction gives the facts without the slanted impression created by a dedicated article just on Somary. Thatcher131 04:12, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
I assume interesting that you did not let develop Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Darwinek 2 for longer time. ≈Tulkolahten≈ ≈talk≈ 08:55, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
Hi, would you review the sockpuppetry evidence I posted on User talk:Malber please. Troubling case. I appreciate your AGF, but I'm afraid you were a bit too optimistic. Fut.Perf. ☼ 17:18, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
I've been watching this case (see here), but real-life events slowed me from heading to SSP earlier...I'm inclined to agree with Future Perfect's assessment. -- Scientizzle 17:34, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
Hello,
An Arbitration case involving you has been opened: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Darwinek. Please add any evidence you may wish the arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Darwinek/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Darwinek/Workshop.
On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, Newyorkbrad 19:02, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
Although Eupator did not violate the 1RR injunction, he did violate other rules such as removal of properly sourced, verifiable evidence, and making false claims (such as that user:Alidoostzadeh supported him, whilst it was none other than Ali who presented the Encyclopedia Iranica link as a proof of Persian origin of Tigranes the Great and his dynasty), and misrepresentation (calling his friends such as user:Davo88, user:Vartanm, user:Artaxiad as "third-party" editors). The evidence was presented in full here [11] and here [12]. While I will add this to the arbitration case, nevertheless, I should note that when an EXACTLY similar complaint was filed by user:Artaxiad against me [13], despite it misrepresenting the facts and giving only 2 carefully selected diffs, admin Teke blocked me for 5 days (which was unblocked by another admin precisely on the grounds of unjustified block, as I was not wrong in my actions). Meanwhile, Eupator is removing and supressing all the verifiable academic evidence for months now, and that should not be allowed. -- adil 20:48, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
I'd considered something like that, actually. Given how broad the area of dispute is, though, there would be thousands of articles potentially subject to such a probation; so I'd prefer to merely leave the option on the table as a last resort for now. Kirill Lokshin 04:14, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
You indicated that you wanted a Czech speaker to verify a translation of a Czech statement. I suggest that you approach Mike Rosoft ( talk · contribs) about this, if you haven't already done so, since he lives in the Czech Republic (and appears to be a native or advanced Czech speaker) and his involvement in this case appears to be minimal or nonexistent. TML 04:35, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
proposed decision ==
I am posting this here, since you were a contact in ArbCom case. In the proposed decision on sockpuppetry charge with regards to myself, I would like to attract the attention to the decision of User:Khoikhoi [15]. It clearly states that I was a newbie. Indeed, the account Tengri, who was more likely to be my meatpuppet rather than sockpuppet, was established 7 days after I first came to Wikipedia. Obviously, I wasn't well aware of the rules back then, neither was the banned. And the record after that shows that I haven't attempted to create any socks or evade blocks since that case. If it's necessary, I can also ask for user Tengri to contact the ArbCom committee directly, to confirm that he is not me. After being banned, Tengri is no longer active in Wikipediting, but he can definitely confirm that by email. And in general, I don't think that having violated far less rules than some other users (only two cases of revert warring and sock ban due to inexperience), I deserve to be given the same ban as those who have a lengthy record of experience and more serious violations. Thanks. Atabek 11:53, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
Hi. I believe User:HyeProfile is in violation of his parole here: [16] Note that he was added to the list by the admin User:Golbez, but HyeProfile keeps on reverting the page despite being notified of the parole. Grandmaster 16:47, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
Hello, it may be just me but I feel that much of Adil's complaints are wholly provocative. While the ArbCom deliberations have been taking place the past few days, Adil seems to be jumping from one Armenian-related topic to another, making edits so controversial and odious that they would almost surely require intervention specifically by an Armenian user. Up until two days ago, the articles Sumgait Pogrom. Battle of Kelbajar (a current GA article), and Capture of Shusha were all stable, either from POV or accuracy. I had been committing my past efforts these few weeks on articles unrelated to the disputes ( Ivan Bagramyan, Ronald Reagan and its FAC, etc.) And then, when Adil made those changes, I duly reverted them back because his rationale for removing sources lied solely on the identity of the source.
This natural reaction provoked me, and he exploited this by complaining to me on the Arbitration enforcement board [17]. You waived his complaint yet he went ahead and made similar controversial edits on the Ramil Safarov page just today and, provoking two Armenian users (Eupator and Fedayee), complained about them for violating the ArbCom rulings [18].
Why is he allowed to engage in such conspicuous hit-and-run edits at a time he is being considered for a 1 year ban [19] due to his contributions over the past year? I have had absolutely little to no qualms with Azeri users until Adil's appearance because his edits are so pernicious, so intent on vilifying Armenians that I myself am baited into intervening in his edits. I hope you would take these notes into consideration but he is wearing the patience of both me and those Armenian users who have exercised a great deal of restraint during the ArbCom proceedings and are followed its 1RR ruling to the point. -- MarshallBagramyan 02:05, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
Do you see my point? his incessant stalking of wherever I post borders on harassment.-- MarshallBagramyan 06:23, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
Am I allowed to revert myself, or will that break 1rr? Azerbaijani 13:51, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
You wrote a notice at the top of Talk:Srebrenica massacre, stating that User:Osli73 was banned by the ArbCom from editing the article for three months. However, as far as I can see, this was not a decision taken by the ArbCom but by you personally, based in some way on the Kosovo decision. Could you please clarify whether you were instructed by the ArbCom in this matter or decided on your own authority? By the way, I'm not disputing the ban. Cheers, Jitse Niesen ( talk) 03:44, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
Hi. User:Artaxiad is in violation of his 1RR parole here: [20] [21]
He made 2 reverts in less than 24 hrs. Regards, Grandmaster 07:46, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
Also, I think User:Aivazovsky needs to provide an explanation of his reverts here and here. On Khojaly massacre he undid all edits by Adil and Francis Tyers without any explanation on talk. Note that those edits had consensus, reached after discussions on talk. According to injunction, the person who made an rv needs to provide a rationale on talk. Grandmaster 08:30, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
What happen to freedom of speech? Artaxiad 19:14, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
hi, recently, when i opened main page of wikipedi and wanted to sign in , i got an alert that i have new message, and before i signed in i had to check and found this bizarre think: [22] I do not know, why something happened in september 2006 got now alerted and also, very bizarre I bought this computer[it is not used, but new one] on september 13 2006 and got internet access only after a month in the beginning or midst of october, so clearly this ip address couldn't do any edit in september 2006 because then i hadn't access to internet through this comp, and why this message or alert by a bot was left only now, that is on this day? clearly that was not there yesterday. thanks, and help me find the answer. Elsanaturk 00:57, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
Hi. Please be aware that User:HyeProfile is in violation of his parole a number of times already. He has been edit warring on Nagorno-Karabakh article for quite some time now. Please see this evidence presented by the admin User:Golbez to arbcom: [24], and this are diffs provided by Golbez on violation of 1RR by this user on March 27: [25] (specific diffs: [26], [27], [28], [29]; the first two are reverting to a version being edit warred on previous days, the second two are reverting to those versions again). I hope Golbez would not object that I copied part of his evidence here, but urgent measures are really necessary. Regards, Grandmaster 04:55, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
Hi Thatcher, Richard Malter has let me know that I'm "not welcome" on his Talk page, and has deleted my last messages to him there. So I cannot respond to his comments on his Talk page, and he is banned by ArbCom from posting on Talk:BDORT. In addition, I believe we have addressed, and have responded in detail to, all his concerns in the past. All he seems to be doing is re-hashing the same points over and over, in the hope that we'll eventually give up and let him have his favored WP:COI version. We have already spent countless words debating these issues ad nauseam, and his repeated attempts to rehash the same old issues are becoming very disruptive and WP:POINT. Crum375 16:41, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
Hello Thatcher, I am getting some very bad press from Crum375 as usual. First as I have been told myself the ArbCom did not rule on content but on 'behaviour'. I think there are serious content issues. Please note that my previous strong recommendations for changing the article re BLP, NPOV have nearly all been actually implemented, though against prolonged and heavy resistance - including a very, very serious breach of BLP that caused real world harm to the subject which I did edit against "aggressively" (which is WP policy?!) and had to be speedily deleted at my request by an Admin as such. The points I put on my talk page have not been addressed at all and I am requesting comments on them. I think this is perfectly OK WP 'behaviour'; As an interested party, I am keeping away from the Talk page re the ArbCom ruling etc and just inviting other editors to get involved; and again my actual track record as I note above is excellent in terms of my suggestions actually being implemented (as necessary changes). I reject the "disruptive" claim by Crum375 100% - I think I am only disruptive to certain entrenched POVs, as I have been all along. Richardmalter 10:33, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
I will, but I want to make it clear that the main person edit-warring it not presently listed as a party on the arbitration and has no remedy yet proscribed for him. I do hope that the Arbcom notices my evidence and statement. -- Golbez 17:27, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for [32]. See also [33], I'm getting tired ;-) Paul August ☎ 19:56, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
You might be interested in this 3RR report. Regards, Newyorkbrad 21:04, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
Looking through the Ilena/Fyslee Arb, I found that you proposed article probation [34]. Do you know if this has been done elsewhere? I think something should be done about the alt med articles, and it's the best proposal I've seen. -- Ronz 21:42, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
If you will not permit the discussion on the Workshop page, could you please edit my advice to be appropriate for filing the RfC? Thank you. -- Rednblu 23:07, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for waiting for my response before closing up the ArbCom enforcement report on Arbustoo. I see the Remedy may be ambiguous; is ArbCom aware of the need to better word Remedies, or is that not an issue? Perhaps I should watchlist ArbCom cases; at any rate, I hope the problem in wording of remedies is highlighted, since edit warring is edit warring, regardless of the article or set of articles. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 13:30, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
Hi Thatcher131,
Thanks for your input
here; just to let you know (before the thread is automatically archived again) that I've left a further thought for your (or anyone else's) consideration. Yours,
David Kernow
(talk)
11:04, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
This arbitration case has closed and the final decision is available at the link above. Darwinek's administrative privileges are revoked. He may reapply at any time via the usual means (RfA) or by appeal to the Arbitration Committee. Darwinek is placed on standard civility parole for one year. This notice is given by a Clerk on behalf of the Arbitration Committee. Newyorkbrad 15:04, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
Here we go again. A Kinsella sock has shown up this time to sanitize the entry and add unsourced crap. Does it ever end? Telephon 12:38, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
I think that you guys should revisit your decision on Atabek. He doesn't add anything positive to the Armenian-Azeri dispute resolution. Worst of all is his denial of the Armenian Genocide. [35] -- Aivazovsky 15:21, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
Could you please check recent contributions of Artaxiad ( talk · contribs)? He vandalises user pages and posts insulting comments. Administrator's intervention is necessary. Thanks. Grandmaster 15:30, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
Your last edit to the evidence page confuses me. What's up? Mackensen (talk) 18:32, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
Has re-appeared, this time using the account User:Tom Mandel. He appears to have ignored your warning at User:Fixaller. I have filed the relevant CheckUser and ArbCom notices, but I have a question: did the ArbCom ban on his editing science- and pseudoscience-related articles extend to their talk pages? He has started to flame on Talk:Systems theory, and I have no wish for a repeat of Talk:Crop circle. Thanks. Michaelbusch 00:33, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
Don't you think one year is too long??? 63.118.235.195 02:10, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
Hi. Why did you ignore my objection? Thanks. El_C 22:41, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
Hello Thatcher131. I just want to say that, although I disagree with you on some aspects of this, I sincerely appreciate your effort to find a proper resolution. Cheers. -- Zero talk 01:23, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
Looking back that discussion was probably beneficial in the long run. I apologise for calling it a waste of time. – Steel 14:50, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
What's up with Kinsella re-writing his Wikipedia entry? Catworthy 00:13, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
I have provided a rebuttal on all the pages which Catworthy has left a comment. Permit me to add this in support of my position:
The recent material added is all sourced and presents a balanced NPOV.I see that Catworthy would prefer that I add material on the Ontario Lottery matter, subject which is taken up with much vigor by Mark Bourrie on his blog [37],I may add something in a calmer atmosphere.
Interesting,that this recent [38]unsourced entry about Mr. Kinsella was added by Catworthy and the allegations are so similar to those of Telephon [39]an Arthur Ellis sock [40].
Thank you for your time. TropicNord
Thatch, as much as the rules that the ArbCom decided on must be stringently enforced, it's equally as important to pay attention to Atabek who has been keen on exploiting the loopholes of the ArbCom's decision by making a mockery of it. It's simple for him to make some controversial edit that will guarantee a reaction from the Armenian side to revert the change and then maintain that position to have someone, like Fedayee today, to be banned for it.
All it takes for Atabek is to make small changes here and there, play games with the system by crying foul and then getting off the hook while the unassuming editor gets punishment because of the exploitation of the rules. Adil did the same thing and he was banned for a year, many users, including Azerbaijani, are upset with the lenient restrictions imposed upon Atabek which only allows him to make the same pernicious edits over and over again. Regards, -- MarshallBagramyan 19:21, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
"In additiont to the improbability of an unrelated user caring whether or not a troll was misidentified..." Should I be expressing gratitude that I was not blocked as well, since I also pointed out that it was an imposter on the same page at about the same time? Everyking 07:46, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
THanks. Midgley 21:02, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
Dear Thatcher131,
I changed the link back; I feel that the active discussion needs to be separated from old ones (once they go stale then we can move them to the case page). I'm not entirely convinced of what I did, though, so feel free to convince me. :) -
Penwhale |
Blast him /
Follow his steps
06:28, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
As is, it's sitting at 100k+ for the case talk page.. another reason why I dislike using the talk page to discuss. ;x - Penwhale | Blast him / Follow his steps 06:34, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
First thank you for your cool head.
I don't always agree with your concusion but respect your judgment and acting in cool head under intense situation.
I don't think there will be a need to go into the Larouche issues raised by willbeback. Zero has been violating so many Wikipedia policies (both as admin and as editor) and also have been specifically instructed by Fred bauder not to apply probation ban as the first measure of dispute resolution against a user under probation [49]:
:He(Zeq) is certainly a zionist, but as to redeeming features I would disagree. My dialog with him dates from his arbitration case, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Zeq, and I have found him willing to discuss matters in a reasonable way. That does not mean that I consider him to now be engaged in optimal editing. The link to the article was not good today, so I can't comment on that. I think you assume too much. You say, "Of course he knows it is nonsense". I think that, in fact, he does not know it is nonsense. But I do think he might listen to and understand a patient explanation presented in a courteous way. Now it may be that he will just get worse and probation, Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Zeq#Remedies, will have to be more and more vigorously enforced, but my hope is that he will gradually improve in his behavior. Keep in mind that "He may be banned by any administrator for good cause from any article which he disrupts by tendentious editing." If that is necessary, please ask for it. Fred Bauder 13:12, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
Key word here is "ask": "If that is necessary, please ask for it".
Zeq 12:34, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
He is trying to bait me into arguing with him. Look at all the cheap shots he throws at me here, diverting a whole section into an attack on me: [50] [51] [52]
Basically, he is calling me immoral, uncivilized, uneducated, etc... he also tries to tell me which Wikipedia articles I can and cannot edit, etc... you can just read his comments.
By his comments, it is very apparent that he is leaving or wants to leave Wikipedia and wants to take me down with him. I will not respond to him anymore, but be reminded that this is the same tactic that users Atabek and Adilbaguirov used against me several times in their attempt at character assassination. They have several times tried to make me angry or make me say something for which they can get me banned from Wikipedia. These users have all been warned at one point or another about civility and not commenting on users by other admins.
I fail to understand why these users (Atabek and Elsanaturk) were not banned. Azerbaijani 20:39, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
Thatcher, I am concerned about targetting of myself by group of Armenian contributors and by Azerbaijani. First of all, I didn't even have time to contribute to pages edited by Azerbaijani since ArbCom, so I don't see what he wants from me. I see this only as attempt of character assassination and harassment. About Aivazovsky and Bagramyan, both showed their inability to come to compromise on Qazakh and March Days talk pages. And Bagramyan here [54] is removing sourced information without any discussion. So in their inability to try consensus, both are just concentrated on complaining about me. Please, pay attention especially to Talk:March Days, despite my attempts to contribute and edit the article, Fedayee and MarshallBagramyan are joined in edit warring and targeting me. In tandem with these, socks of user Artaxiad vandalized my user page 5 times. I think this is a harassment campaign rather than objective attempt to disengage from warrior attitude. Atabek 05:47, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
Hasn't Dacy69 violated 1RR by reverting twice within 7 days in Khachkar destruction? Not only did he revert twice within a week he didn't even write anything in the talk page [55]. His second edit summary said reverting vandalism even though it's clearly a content dispute of which he has a been part of all along.-- Ευπάτωρ Talk!! 15:30, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
Could you explain to me how you got that diff on the ANI page just now? (the one I got wrong?) Since it was archived by a bot I did not know another way. What did you do to get it? Sincerely, Mattisse 19:16, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
P.S. I trust your judgment as I follow what you do. Sincerely, -- Mattisse 03:09, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
Can you answer this request? I have been wondering about it for quite awhile now [59]. Thanks. The Behnam 20:37, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
Would you please tell me which of my edits to global warming you consider inappropriate, and why? James S. 06:52, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
Just to offer you my thanks for banning James S - he has been disrupting the article at a time when it needs all the stability it can get William M. Connolley 09:46, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
Accusations of disruption are personal attacks. Please tell me which edits you consider inappropriate. James S. 14:39, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
I urge you to keep the ban in place - James S is providing good evidence of why he is deeply unhelpful on the GW page William M. Connolley 14:03, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
I know that you are very busy, and I seriously appreciate all the work you do as evidenced here on your talk page. But would you please tell me which edits exhibited poor behavior in your view? Thank you. James S. 13:19, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
Hello,
An Arbitration case in which you commented has been opened: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Zeq-Zero0000. Please add any evidence you may wish the arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Zeq-Zero0000/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Zeq-Zero0000/Workshop.
On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, David Mestel( Talk) 19:38, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
Thank you. Corvus cornix 23:55, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
Here are at least four other webpages where the poem is reprinted in it's entirety, including on news organizations. I indicated I would willingly amend the citation to include one or more or all of them.
http://www.richmond.com/news/output.aspx?Article_ID=4654611&Vertical_ID=23&tier=2&position=1
http://oursaviorhoneycreek.blogspot.com/
http://withonlineintegrity.blogspot.com/
What is your response now?
Retrieved from " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:X4n6" X4n6 00:05, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
Hi. I would like to ask your advice. User:Vartanm restored edits of banned sock accounts to Ganja. It is against the rules, as banned users are not entitled to edit Wikipedia. Vartanm did not respond to my request for anyone wishing to readd the section created by socks to quote the sources cited in that paragraph on talk, so that we could verify the accuracy of the claims. I checked one of the sources available online, and it does not say what is attributed to it. I think the issues like this require admin control, as this user’s recent contribs are nothing but baiting other users to edit warring. Grandmaster 06:36, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
I think it's better to annotate for context than to rely on the statements remaining in the same order in future. People jump in and add comments, and context is easily lost. The simplest solution is usually the best. -- Tony Sidaway 00:17, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
Thank you, that was quick! As for my "casting a wide net", please note my attempt here, before posting any evidence, to find out just how wide a scope the arbcom was looking for. I took Mackensen's response as encouragement to post exactly the kind of evidence I then did post. Admittedly Mackensen was a bit vague. Bishonen | talk 14:11, 19 April 2007 (UTC).
Thank you for your note. I replied with questions [62] . Tobias Conradi (Talk) 16:17, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
Honestly Thatch, I'm fed up by User:Dacy69's bait, provoke, insult and switch methods. He continuously reports me and Fedayee for these ridiculous reasons [63] because he still has not grown accustomed to the Talk Page. He's always intransigent, he never accepts compromise with his "my way or the highway" ideology and continuously, just hacks away by provoking us into these shouting matches. Where does the buck stop? This is borderline harassment: he interprets everything that goes against his POV as personal attacks and then reports us, only to be turned away because they are baseless charges. You asked me to keep track of his methods and the above link just about illustrates it. I can't be looking over my shoulder every second to see if I have been reported again.
He was placed on a 1 year revert parole yet cannot help himself to agitate the other editors, attacking us because of our ethnicity and then throwing the blame on us. I've gotten sick of this already....-- MarshallBagramyan 23:47, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
You would better support your accussations. It is you who put ethnic watershed. You asking me why I am editing ARF page, or Armenian related page. You have not engaged in discussion until I complained. You just blindly deleted edits - not only on ARF page but several others. It is enough to check your contribs.I think we can distinguish content dispute from personal attacks. Diffs I presented speak for themself. I can't work - whenever I touch articles - it is reverted frequently without any explanation. I complaining to this and other admins because there is no remedy thus far against constant attacks. You are pursuing this strategy to force me not to touch certain articles which you deem that you posses them. Go on RfC page and make your comments - not on me, on the content. You are refering to Arbcom parole. yes, I was put on parole for revert wars as well as many others like Fedayee - plus others for personal attacks, not me. Your accusation here about harassing is groundless. You just can't accept any other editor with different ethnic background to your domain. This is a real problem.-- Dacy69 01:08, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
I quoted you, what better way to support them(I have yet to see where the personal attacks you accuse us are)? I did not discuss because we had already discussed Papazian far before the arbitration started. You embellished it with other alleged sources(which were found to not support your wording) and reintroduced knowing the result. I reverted, knowing that Fedayee will revert you to then violate his 1RR parole for something (Papazian) which previously created a revert war and the protection of the article. You now have enough attention on that article and are claiming to be willing to make concessions and dropping Papazian. You should have thought of this before reintroducing the controversial source without a follow up of the previous discussion. You forced Fedayee into another pointless revert war. Am I the only one who sees the irony in your last remark? I have FA articles, which obviously would have required collective contribution between various editors regardless of their ethnic background. You on the other hand keep calling Armenian contributors as your opponents, and what I have quoted here were your words not mine. This is my last answer, I do not wish to exhort Thatcher on what to do, we are on another person talk page.-- MarshallBagramyan 01:50, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
..........is this really necessary? [64] Ashkani 06:22, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
Your approach to MedianLady case has been disrespectable, immature and utterly inappropriate. You have blocked her, because she was speking of the truth, which you could not handle it – it is a collective punishment, that she did not deserve. You have threatened Ashkani in the same manner, which demonstrates that you are a young and immature character. Thius is your duty as an Admin to go through formal and normal checks to establish that MedianLady and I are not the same people, before accusing her of any wrong doings; - instead you have blocked her based on your personal assumption and conclusion. In the meanwhile I hope you come to your senses and do the right things, i.e. go through formal channels to establish the alleged suck-puppetry, and resolve this matter in a responsible manner. ← ← Parthian Shot (Talk) 08:33, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
I also replied to her followup:
If you are not, and if you wish your account unblocked on the grounds that I made a mistake, post the {{unblock}} template on your talk page to have the block reviewed. I would rather not entertain further edits from another user whose main goal is to use a sockpuppet to turn Wikipedia into a racial or ethnic battleground, but I am willing to have that opinion reviewed by another admin.
I still believe that MedianLady is a sock puppet or alternate account of another user, created for purposes of making a disruptive allegation (perhaps to keep her main account "clean"). This is not permitted either. In any case, the next step belongs to MedianLady, to request unblocking and an independent review in her own name. Thatcher131 16:08, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
Do you think this - mentioned by two users - merits adding to my RfArb? -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk 19:04, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
I was heavily involved in the article for a while and I dropped out of editing it because of the reasons I outlined in my note. I'm actively avoiding the article due to the behavior of those editors in the EVP article and others. I'll let you decide if that means I'm "involved" or not. --- J.S ( T/ C/ WRE) 02:05, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
You wrote:
Whoops! Thanks. Um... except, if the editor copies the template onto the page as instructed, the original commented-out lines aren't copied, so the internal comment would become just a regular comment again. I don't see why that wouldn't work. Newyorkbrad 21:51, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
Would you mind weighing in at the recent discussion on the banning policy about this? (It's a bit of reading, but the related threads are Wikipedia_talk:Banning_policy#Deletion_of_text_from_WP:BAN.23Community_ban and Wikipedia_talk:Banning_policy#Community_ban_section_is_instruction_creep). Dmcdevit· t 22:49, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
I was referring to the AN/I quotations of emails done by Ramas Arrow and a few others (if I recall correctly). Those should be oversighted no? - Penwhale | Blast him / Follow his steps 02:56, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
Even as a preliminary naming, the title "Cabalism" is extremely provocative for this situation, in my opinion. Could it be changed to "Hkelkar et al", "Hkelkar 2" or similar, please? Daniel Bryant 05:25, 25 April 2007 (UTC)