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**GROAN!** Why don't you start a subpage, linked at top, for those of us who actually will be amused by these? We could even subscribe! LOL Montanabw (talk) 18:34, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for cleaning up a couple of the cabals I had uncovered. Hope all is well in your forest. ``` Buster Seven Talk 05:27, 16 September 2012 (UTC)
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Hey ThatPeskyCommoner. This will be, if not our final newsletter, one of the final ones :). After months of churning away at this project, our final version (apart from a few tweaks and bugfixes) is now live. Changes between this and the last release include deletion tag logging, a centralised log, and fixes to things like edit summaries.
Hopefully you like what we've done with the place; suggestions for future work on it, complaints and bugs to the usual address :). We'll be holding a couple of office hours sessions, which I hope you'll all attend. Many thanks, Okeyes (WMF) ( talk) 10:58, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
Hey all :). We've just deployed another set of features for Page Curation. They include flyouts from the icons in Special:NewPagesFeed, showing who reviewed an article and when, a listing of this in the "info" flyout, and a general re-jigging of the info flyout - we've also fixed the weird bug with page_titles_having_underscores_instead_of_spaces in messages sent to talkpages, and introduced [1]! As always, these features will need some work - but any feedback would be most welcome.
Hi, just wanted to let you know that I've copyedited Soy Rebelde. Please take a look and let me know if there's anything else you'd like reviewed. Thanks. AngusWOOF ( talk) 02:42, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
If you believe in prayers, then pray. If you don't believe in prayers, then track down for us the world's foremost paediatric oncologist. The chap or chapess who's seen everything.
Littlest grandson had the whole of his left lung removed only a few weeks ago, as a result of one of the most aggressive cancers our local (excellent, specialist, one-of-the-tops) units has ever seen.
Despite them having removed every visible scrap of cancer (and a wide safety margin), it's grown back in the lung cavity to the extent that it's compressing his remaining lung. In just a few short weeks. It's an undifferentiated soft tissue sarcoma. And they don't (apparently, this type) produce secondaries in the brain. Despite which, he now has three tumours in the brain. (He's not even two, yet.) Our guys have never seen a cancer anything like this one. He's started chemo; they're doing everything they can for him, but input from the best guy / guy-ess in the world might also be helpful. Who knows, or knows of, the person we need? Pesky ( talk) 17:12, 6 October 2012 (UTC)
So sorry to hear this Pesky. My ignorant layman's guess is that the young chap may have a very unfortunate mutation resulting in much increased susceptibility (the brain tumour could be a second primary). Something akin to this maybe. Thinking of you, — MistyMorn ( talk) 23:47, 6 October 2012 (UTC)
... you and your family are in my thoughts and prayers Pesky. — Ched ZILLA 18:48, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
I liked your bus parable. pablo 08:33, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
Love for Pesky | |
Hugs! Pine ✉08:40, 9 October 2012 (UTC) |
Hugs to you, too. Pesky ( talk) 11:30, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
I have to say that there is a kind of deep joy to be had in being able to write "Fucking selfish cunt" on a Wikipedia page. Just as an illustration, of course. Pesky ( talk) 11:06, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
I read something to think about?, with interest.
I added an item to my To Do list, specifically:
- Propose, at the idea lab, a way to separate the complete block log, with all the gory details, from a summary. See [2] for some thoughts.
My intended goal, although not clearly stated in that summary, is to ensure that we do keep the entire history of blocks, even the bad ones, but also show a summary, which would exclude expunged blocks. This way we could eat our cake and have it, to. The historical record isn't hidden, but a glace at someone's block log will give a more realistic picture of their background.
My To-do list, unfortunately, seems to acquire new items faster than I can address them, so I don't know when or if I will get to it.-- SPhilbrick (Talk) 16:45, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
How is he doing ?
Is it looking like the chemo is working, or are they thinking back to surgery, or talking of palliative care ? Penyulap ☏ 00:23, 13 Oct 2012 (UTC)
The good (evil) Dr. and MF have returned to status quo ante bellum. I doubt that your comment will inflame things, but it may get you dropped into a piranha tank!
(Maybe you missed the time-stamp...?)
The family is well. Chubby cheeks brought longer periods of sleep. :) Now she cries mainly when she wants to play pat-a-cake, rather than just wanting to be held.
Kiwis cause colic. :(
Life is good. Kiefer .Wolfowitz 09:19, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
Pesky ( talk) 11:22, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
Hey all :).
We're (very shortly) closing down this development cycle for Page Curation. It's genuinely been a pleasure to talk with you all and build software that is so close to my own heart, and also so effective. The current backlog is 9 days, and I've never seen it that low before.
However! Closing up shop does not mean not making any improvements. First-off, this is your last chance to give us a poke about unresolved bugs or report new ones on the talkpage. If something's going wrong, we want to know about it :). Second, we'll hopefully be taking another pass over the software next year. If you've got ideas for features Page Curation doesn't currently have, stick them here.
Again, it's been an honour. Thanks :). Okeyes (WMF) ( talk) 12:03, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
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In case you've missed it, there's lots of "no confidence" discussions here. WormTT( talk) 10:20, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
It looks like we're on the same page regarding the shitstorm [3], [4] (no surprise there!) – mind if I steal your Wikibreak header box? Also, I have been following your family's trials, thoughts and hugz for that – I'd have said something before but I've had distractions of my own, though nothing so heart-wrenching as that at present. Sending good vibes to you anyway! Nortonius ( talk) 11:16, 23 October 2012 (UTC) 'Tis done! A friend calls mild abuse of a facebook friend's account "furglary", so I suppose this was "Wurglary"!
"Before criticising someone, walk a mile in their shoes. That way, you're a mile away from them ... and you have their shoes ..." Pesky ( talk) 12:59, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
Pesky, please take the mandatory truce zone with you when you sally out; you are valued for it. These comments seem belligerent and extreme to me. And ineffectual too, I should think. The mere effusion of steam isn't likely to accomplish much. Bishonen | talk 11:51, 23 October 2012 (UTC).
I would post this under my old username, but it's too late. For some of us, a civil environment in which to edit is in fact important. So, count me as an editor you, KW, MF, etc have driven away. Given the attitudes of a number of the other participants there, this will be no loss, as I only have a few thousand edits. 12.192.102.2 ( talk) 15:25, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
Don't presume to know anything at all about me. 12.192.102.2 ( talk) 18:45, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
Good grief. So, count me as an editor you, KW, MF, etc have driven away. Me? Drove someone away by being uncivil? I think you may possibly have mistaken me for someone else. Pesky ( talk) 07:19, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
I look around at the houses, and at the furniture, which was built hundreds of years ago, and I look around at what's been built recently.
The old, oak-frame houses built in the 15th Century onwards are still standing. I have, here at home, solid timber furniture which belonged to my grandparents, and to their parents. I'm sitting next to an 1897 Steinway piano which has seen (and been played by) five generations of my family. I don't consider it to be "mine" – I'm just holding it in trust for future generations of my family. And all this stuff has dents, scratches, light-faded bits, and so on. But it's solid timber, and will go on for several more generations yet.
And I also look around at the pre-fab buildings put up in the 1960's and 70's. I see what happens to the MFI, Ikea, Magnet, B&Q, Homebase, and all the rest, flat-pack furniture. And, personally, I prefer solid timber, complete with all the surface blemishes, to any amount of chipboard covered with even the shiniest, glossiest oak-effect laminated veneer. If we want to build quality, and be surrounded by quality, no amount of squirting Mr Sheen onto the surface-shiny thin veneer is ever going to get over the fact that it's all naff chipboard underneath. What we seem to be working towards, in this community, is getting the prettiest civilisation-effect veneer on the surface. That's not the way to get good stuff.
It's quite incredibly shortsighted, lacking in insight and foresight, to send the dented and scratched solid oak stuff down to the dump and replace it with twenty times as much prettified oak-effect veneered chipboard. Your grandchildren will see what you did there. Pesky ( talk) 09:21, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
If I had the time, and some release from the pressures of Real Life™ (which has to take priority, under the circumstances), I actually think I'd make a very good Arb. I'd probably get outvoted consistently, but I could always be relied upon to vote in line with my principles. And not to be tempted to do what is easy, as opposed to what is right. Huge systemic abuses are far more important and damaging than little personal abuses. We need, I think, more tolerance of the infinite variations of the individuals we have here, so long as they are not damaging content, or undermining the integrity of what our millions of readers read. We need more tolerance of differences in culture, though the Americans will always outvote the Brits and Europeans. We need to be an awful lot less over-reactive to silly little petty things. We need to stamp out abuses of power. We need to look at the reasons behind people's actions, and address the reasons, rather than stifling the reactions, where possible. We need to treat the disease, not amputate the limb with the symptoms. We don't need a Nanny State with ever more oppressive and tyrannical powers. They say: "Be wary of those who seek to take care of you, lest your caretakers become your jailers." I think we need an ArbCom with more sensible, level-headed, not over-reactive females, and more non-Americans. ;P I also think we need ArbCom to be split 50/50 between admins and non-admins, to reduce the Admin-mindset weighting.
What do you guys think? Pesky ( talk) 09:38, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
And what do we think about having a minimum requirement of (average) 750 article-space edits per year to qualify as being an Arb? And to maintain at least 75 article-space edits per month while being an Arb, to continue to be an Arb? And any Arb with less than 75 article-space edits in the previous month can't !vote? Or weighting of Arb !votes in relation to article-space edits (so those with twice as many article-space edits in the previous calendar month get a !vote that counts double, etc. .....) Pesky ( talk) 10:39, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
You talk of tolerance – something I find interesting. I believe I’m one of the more tolerant members of the community. Many find me a soft touch, and anyone who has watched has seen how much effort I’ve put in over the years to work with less productive members of our community. I would never expect other editors to spend the time I do on helping these less productive members, as it takes time away from useful work.
As for your numbers, are you aware that in the last year, you’ve missed the “75 article-space” edits in 6 out of the 12 months? I fall much further below, and that’s without the constant emails you get in Arbcom (I’m hearing that it’s more than 100 a day) regarding the junk that we ‘’don’t’’ see, plus the fact you are expected to follow every dispute on Wikipedia and then follow all the mad bureaucracy involved in arbitration, commenting coherently on every single discussion… There’s a further issue of skill sets, I’d rather people who are not great at writing were not writing, but were helping the encyclopedia. For example, I don’t want people who are good at sorting out disputes to be writing substandard trivial articles on their favourite TV show characters.
So, Pesky, how many female, non-admin, Europeans, who have the level of tolerance you’re looking for, the level of article contributions you are looking for, manage real life and want to become an arb? I personally count 0. Which skillset would you be willing to budge on, to get to the magic 8? If managing Real Life is one you’re willing to budge on… why not run? WormTT( talk) 11:33, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
With regard to article-space edits, I know I've been waaaaay behind. Up until May, being full-time carer for a parent with severe dementia ate into my time and emotional resources; then, within weeks of her dying in May (and funeral arrangements and so on ate a lot of time and emotional resources), my younger son went down with a life-threatening pulmonary embolism. And then, of course, Leon (not yet two) got cancer, diagnosed in August, and has been in hospital pretty much ever since. And we have to clear all my parents' 5-decades'-worth of assorted stuff, and move house (twice!) too. That's what I mean about Real Life taking up time, and taking priority. If I can summon up the motivation, I may some time get around to doing the stuff I intended. With article stuff, apart from typo-fixing something I happen to be reading, I tend to opt for quality rather than quantity. I only have one FA, I only have two (?) GA's, not counting the one that's an FA now, I've only had 2 (I think) DYK's, though one of them got around 10,000 hits. But, right at the minute, I feel that something really drastic happened to upholding the principles which I expect from community-governance. Things like serious attention to exactly what question was being asked. Things like abuse of process and power. I dunno, at the moment. I really dunno. Maybe when (if?) things have settled down, and we've finished moving house ... Pesky ( talk) 17:21, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
... oh, yeh ... I had two operations this year, too; one of them pretty major ... heh! Forgot about those! (And I've only just realised that my editing prefs seem to be set to marking everything as "minor". Must change that) Pesky ( talk) 17:31, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
I'd love to add the following to the Civility policy, though:
You seem not to have joined the Category:Wikipedians who are not a Wikipedian, which is being discussed at its entry at Categories nominated for deletion.
Given your above comments, you may wish to join the category Category:Wikipedians working towards even enforcement of civility.
Kiefer .Wolfowitz 11:03, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
I posted on Jimbo's talk. Seriously, deeply concerned. Pesky ( talk) 08:27, 6 November 2012 (UTC)
I hate chest infections! And it means I can't visit my daughter and my ( neutropenic, because of chemotherapy) grandson until I'm well again :o(
We moved Cuddles' viv from the (cold) garage into the (warmer) house yesterday. Unless you've carried one around, you have no idea just how heavy and unwieldy a (wriggly!) nearly-nine-foot boa constrictor (with a few behavioural issues) can be! Pesky ( talk) 06:59, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
It's inevitable, but pointless, to ask ourselves "Why is life so shitty? Why does an innocent toddler get an aggressive cancer, with a poor prognosis; why does a baby like that have to have a whole lung removed, why does he have to go back to theatre to have fluid drained from around his heart, why does he have to be in so much pain, why does the cancer have to grow right back in a few weeks, why does he have to get tumours in his brain as well, why does this have to happen to the daughter who has serious health issues of her own and weighs only about 7 stone, and now has little time or facility to look after herself? Why?" Because nobody knows why. It's just shitty. Pesky ( talk) 07:12, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
Like they say: "Fuck that shit." Somehow we just have to find the resilience to cope with it. Pesky ( talk) 07:36, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
@Anthony: nice article! One of the biggest problems with a little 'un like Leon (second birthday on Monday) is that it's very hard to tell when he's in pain, or just feeling totally pissed off. And with cancer in the cavity left by his removed lung, we have to be terribly careful not to over-do the morphine and suppress his breathing, as his other lung is under pressure both from mass effect and from having to do all the work. Having said that, he's off his extra oxygen just at the moment - going through a slightly better patch. Pesky ( talk) 19:04, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
Pesky, I wanted to offer a thought that helps me to make sense of it in my life. You're most welcome to add it to your page if you think others might benefit as well.
Pesky, There may not be any answers to why life is short and life is suffering, but when I lose someone close, and when I look at the very precarious future to be faced, I do see one thing clear enough. God reminds us of what is important in life, to stop us in the daily routines and to think that tomorrow we may be gone. Those that go are fast forgotten. The only chance we have to live is today, and every single day knowing where my life is leading makes me yearn all the more for the small mercies that god gives us, every day that you are sick you curse and you wish and you would 'give anything if only' but today when you don't have that sickness, don't have food poisoning or burns or stabbing pain, you forget everything and find some stupid distraction to obsess over. People often and too quickly choose to live the life of bad people, forgetting that the life of a bad person sucks. Nobody likes you. The life of a good person is much much better, so when are you going to live that life ? in the next life, the one after that, the 100th after that one ? God reminds us that today is the day to be kind and to love and to help. When he shows us that tomorrow our bodies will fall back into the soil, and everything we had hoped for and hoped to do and hoped to be and hoped to love will rot away into the Earth. The only day is today. There is no other day. No brilliant investment or the most outstanding scientific breakthrough will ever change the inevitable sunset upon our existence. The sun will go down, it always does, and no flurry of activity before sunset will ever change it. Today is the day to live life as though it mattered. That is why I believe God takes from us, and why he chooses at random. Most days I simply wonder why nobody listens, including me. Penyulap ☏ 06:59, 8 Nov 2012 (UTC) Pesky ( talk) 06:59, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
Thinking of you Pesky and wondering how the little one is doing. All best wishes to you and your family.( olive ( talk) 17:19, 16 November 2012 (UTC))
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Deciding where to put a new flowerbed is ground-breaking research. Pesky ( talk) 05:18, 16 September 2012 (UTC)
**GROAN!** Why don't you start a subpage, linked at top, for those of us who actually will be amused by these? We could even subscribe! LOL Montanabw (talk) 18:34, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for cleaning up a couple of the cabals I had uncovered. Hope all is well in your forest. ``` Buster Seven Talk 05:27, 16 September 2012 (UTC)
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Hey ThatPeskyCommoner. This will be, if not our final newsletter, one of the final ones :). After months of churning away at this project, our final version (apart from a few tweaks and bugfixes) is now live. Changes between this and the last release include deletion tag logging, a centralised log, and fixes to things like edit summaries.
Hopefully you like what we've done with the place; suggestions for future work on it, complaints and bugs to the usual address :). We'll be holding a couple of office hours sessions, which I hope you'll all attend. Many thanks, Okeyes (WMF) ( talk) 10:58, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
Hey all :). We've just deployed another set of features for Page Curation. They include flyouts from the icons in Special:NewPagesFeed, showing who reviewed an article and when, a listing of this in the "info" flyout, and a general re-jigging of the info flyout - we've also fixed the weird bug with page_titles_having_underscores_instead_of_spaces in messages sent to talkpages, and introduced [1]! As always, these features will need some work - but any feedback would be most welcome.
Hi, just wanted to let you know that I've copyedited Soy Rebelde. Please take a look and let me know if there's anything else you'd like reviewed. Thanks. AngusWOOF ( talk) 02:42, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
If you believe in prayers, then pray. If you don't believe in prayers, then track down for us the world's foremost paediatric oncologist. The chap or chapess who's seen everything.
Littlest grandson had the whole of his left lung removed only a few weeks ago, as a result of one of the most aggressive cancers our local (excellent, specialist, one-of-the-tops) units has ever seen.
Despite them having removed every visible scrap of cancer (and a wide safety margin), it's grown back in the lung cavity to the extent that it's compressing his remaining lung. In just a few short weeks. It's an undifferentiated soft tissue sarcoma. And they don't (apparently, this type) produce secondaries in the brain. Despite which, he now has three tumours in the brain. (He's not even two, yet.) Our guys have never seen a cancer anything like this one. He's started chemo; they're doing everything they can for him, but input from the best guy / guy-ess in the world might also be helpful. Who knows, or knows of, the person we need? Pesky ( talk) 17:12, 6 October 2012 (UTC)
So sorry to hear this Pesky. My ignorant layman's guess is that the young chap may have a very unfortunate mutation resulting in much increased susceptibility (the brain tumour could be a second primary). Something akin to this maybe. Thinking of you, — MistyMorn ( talk) 23:47, 6 October 2012 (UTC)
... you and your family are in my thoughts and prayers Pesky. — Ched ZILLA 18:48, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
I liked your bus parable. pablo 08:33, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
Love for Pesky | |
Hugs! Pine ✉08:40, 9 October 2012 (UTC) |
Hugs to you, too. Pesky ( talk) 11:30, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
I have to say that there is a kind of deep joy to be had in being able to write "Fucking selfish cunt" on a Wikipedia page. Just as an illustration, of course. Pesky ( talk) 11:06, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
I read something to think about?, with interest.
I added an item to my To Do list, specifically:
- Propose, at the idea lab, a way to separate the complete block log, with all the gory details, from a summary. See [2] for some thoughts.
My intended goal, although not clearly stated in that summary, is to ensure that we do keep the entire history of blocks, even the bad ones, but also show a summary, which would exclude expunged blocks. This way we could eat our cake and have it, to. The historical record isn't hidden, but a glace at someone's block log will give a more realistic picture of their background.
My To-do list, unfortunately, seems to acquire new items faster than I can address them, so I don't know when or if I will get to it.-- SPhilbrick (Talk) 16:45, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
How is he doing ?
Is it looking like the chemo is working, or are they thinking back to surgery, or talking of palliative care ? Penyulap ☏ 00:23, 13 Oct 2012 (UTC)
The good (evil) Dr. and MF have returned to status quo ante bellum. I doubt that your comment will inflame things, but it may get you dropped into a piranha tank!
(Maybe you missed the time-stamp...?)
The family is well. Chubby cheeks brought longer periods of sleep. :) Now she cries mainly when she wants to play pat-a-cake, rather than just wanting to be held.
Kiwis cause colic. :(
Life is good. Kiefer .Wolfowitz 09:19, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
Pesky ( talk) 11:22, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
Hey all :).
We're (very shortly) closing down this development cycle for Page Curation. It's genuinely been a pleasure to talk with you all and build software that is so close to my own heart, and also so effective. The current backlog is 9 days, and I've never seen it that low before.
However! Closing up shop does not mean not making any improvements. First-off, this is your last chance to give us a poke about unresolved bugs or report new ones on the talkpage. If something's going wrong, we want to know about it :). Second, we'll hopefully be taking another pass over the software next year. If you've got ideas for features Page Curation doesn't currently have, stick them here.
Again, it's been an honour. Thanks :). Okeyes (WMF) ( talk) 12:03, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
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In case you've missed it, there's lots of "no confidence" discussions here. WormTT( talk) 10:20, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
It looks like we're on the same page regarding the shitstorm [3], [4] (no surprise there!) – mind if I steal your Wikibreak header box? Also, I have been following your family's trials, thoughts and hugz for that – I'd have said something before but I've had distractions of my own, though nothing so heart-wrenching as that at present. Sending good vibes to you anyway! Nortonius ( talk) 11:16, 23 October 2012 (UTC) 'Tis done! A friend calls mild abuse of a facebook friend's account "furglary", so I suppose this was "Wurglary"!
"Before criticising someone, walk a mile in their shoes. That way, you're a mile away from them ... and you have their shoes ..." Pesky ( talk) 12:59, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
Pesky, please take the mandatory truce zone with you when you sally out; you are valued for it. These comments seem belligerent and extreme to me. And ineffectual too, I should think. The mere effusion of steam isn't likely to accomplish much. Bishonen | talk 11:51, 23 October 2012 (UTC).
I would post this under my old username, but it's too late. For some of us, a civil environment in which to edit is in fact important. So, count me as an editor you, KW, MF, etc have driven away. Given the attitudes of a number of the other participants there, this will be no loss, as I only have a few thousand edits. 12.192.102.2 ( talk) 15:25, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
Don't presume to know anything at all about me. 12.192.102.2 ( talk) 18:45, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
Good grief. So, count me as an editor you, KW, MF, etc have driven away. Me? Drove someone away by being uncivil? I think you may possibly have mistaken me for someone else. Pesky ( talk) 07:19, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
I look around at the houses, and at the furniture, which was built hundreds of years ago, and I look around at what's been built recently.
The old, oak-frame houses built in the 15th Century onwards are still standing. I have, here at home, solid timber furniture which belonged to my grandparents, and to their parents. I'm sitting next to an 1897 Steinway piano which has seen (and been played by) five generations of my family. I don't consider it to be "mine" – I'm just holding it in trust for future generations of my family. And all this stuff has dents, scratches, light-faded bits, and so on. But it's solid timber, and will go on for several more generations yet.
And I also look around at the pre-fab buildings put up in the 1960's and 70's. I see what happens to the MFI, Ikea, Magnet, B&Q, Homebase, and all the rest, flat-pack furniture. And, personally, I prefer solid timber, complete with all the surface blemishes, to any amount of chipboard covered with even the shiniest, glossiest oak-effect laminated veneer. If we want to build quality, and be surrounded by quality, no amount of squirting Mr Sheen onto the surface-shiny thin veneer is ever going to get over the fact that it's all naff chipboard underneath. What we seem to be working towards, in this community, is getting the prettiest civilisation-effect veneer on the surface. That's not the way to get good stuff.
It's quite incredibly shortsighted, lacking in insight and foresight, to send the dented and scratched solid oak stuff down to the dump and replace it with twenty times as much prettified oak-effect veneered chipboard. Your grandchildren will see what you did there. Pesky ( talk) 09:21, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
If I had the time, and some release from the pressures of Real Life™ (which has to take priority, under the circumstances), I actually think I'd make a very good Arb. I'd probably get outvoted consistently, but I could always be relied upon to vote in line with my principles. And not to be tempted to do what is easy, as opposed to what is right. Huge systemic abuses are far more important and damaging than little personal abuses. We need, I think, more tolerance of the infinite variations of the individuals we have here, so long as they are not damaging content, or undermining the integrity of what our millions of readers read. We need more tolerance of differences in culture, though the Americans will always outvote the Brits and Europeans. We need to be an awful lot less over-reactive to silly little petty things. We need to stamp out abuses of power. We need to look at the reasons behind people's actions, and address the reasons, rather than stifling the reactions, where possible. We need to treat the disease, not amputate the limb with the symptoms. We don't need a Nanny State with ever more oppressive and tyrannical powers. They say: "Be wary of those who seek to take care of you, lest your caretakers become your jailers." I think we need an ArbCom with more sensible, level-headed, not over-reactive females, and more non-Americans. ;P I also think we need ArbCom to be split 50/50 between admins and non-admins, to reduce the Admin-mindset weighting.
What do you guys think? Pesky ( talk) 09:38, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
And what do we think about having a minimum requirement of (average) 750 article-space edits per year to qualify as being an Arb? And to maintain at least 75 article-space edits per month while being an Arb, to continue to be an Arb? And any Arb with less than 75 article-space edits in the previous month can't !vote? Or weighting of Arb !votes in relation to article-space edits (so those with twice as many article-space edits in the previous calendar month get a !vote that counts double, etc. .....) Pesky ( talk) 10:39, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
You talk of tolerance – something I find interesting. I believe I’m one of the more tolerant members of the community. Many find me a soft touch, and anyone who has watched has seen how much effort I’ve put in over the years to work with less productive members of our community. I would never expect other editors to spend the time I do on helping these less productive members, as it takes time away from useful work.
As for your numbers, are you aware that in the last year, you’ve missed the “75 article-space” edits in 6 out of the 12 months? I fall much further below, and that’s without the constant emails you get in Arbcom (I’m hearing that it’s more than 100 a day) regarding the junk that we ‘’don’t’’ see, plus the fact you are expected to follow every dispute on Wikipedia and then follow all the mad bureaucracy involved in arbitration, commenting coherently on every single discussion… There’s a further issue of skill sets, I’d rather people who are not great at writing were not writing, but were helping the encyclopedia. For example, I don’t want people who are good at sorting out disputes to be writing substandard trivial articles on their favourite TV show characters.
So, Pesky, how many female, non-admin, Europeans, who have the level of tolerance you’re looking for, the level of article contributions you are looking for, manage real life and want to become an arb? I personally count 0. Which skillset would you be willing to budge on, to get to the magic 8? If managing Real Life is one you’re willing to budge on… why not run? WormTT( talk) 11:33, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
With regard to article-space edits, I know I've been waaaaay behind. Up until May, being full-time carer for a parent with severe dementia ate into my time and emotional resources; then, within weeks of her dying in May (and funeral arrangements and so on ate a lot of time and emotional resources), my younger son went down with a life-threatening pulmonary embolism. And then, of course, Leon (not yet two) got cancer, diagnosed in August, and has been in hospital pretty much ever since. And we have to clear all my parents' 5-decades'-worth of assorted stuff, and move house (twice!) too. That's what I mean about Real Life taking up time, and taking priority. If I can summon up the motivation, I may some time get around to doing the stuff I intended. With article stuff, apart from typo-fixing something I happen to be reading, I tend to opt for quality rather than quantity. I only have one FA, I only have two (?) GA's, not counting the one that's an FA now, I've only had 2 (I think) DYK's, though one of them got around 10,000 hits. But, right at the minute, I feel that something really drastic happened to upholding the principles which I expect from community-governance. Things like serious attention to exactly what question was being asked. Things like abuse of process and power. I dunno, at the moment. I really dunno. Maybe when (if?) things have settled down, and we've finished moving house ... Pesky ( talk) 17:21, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
... oh, yeh ... I had two operations this year, too; one of them pretty major ... heh! Forgot about those! (And I've only just realised that my editing prefs seem to be set to marking everything as "minor". Must change that) Pesky ( talk) 17:31, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
I'd love to add the following to the Civility policy, though:
You seem not to have joined the Category:Wikipedians who are not a Wikipedian, which is being discussed at its entry at Categories nominated for deletion.
Given your above comments, you may wish to join the category Category:Wikipedians working towards even enforcement of civility.
Kiefer .Wolfowitz 11:03, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
I posted on Jimbo's talk. Seriously, deeply concerned. Pesky ( talk) 08:27, 6 November 2012 (UTC)
I hate chest infections! And it means I can't visit my daughter and my ( neutropenic, because of chemotherapy) grandson until I'm well again :o(
We moved Cuddles' viv from the (cold) garage into the (warmer) house yesterday. Unless you've carried one around, you have no idea just how heavy and unwieldy a (wriggly!) nearly-nine-foot boa constrictor (with a few behavioural issues) can be! Pesky ( talk) 06:59, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
It's inevitable, but pointless, to ask ourselves "Why is life so shitty? Why does an innocent toddler get an aggressive cancer, with a poor prognosis; why does a baby like that have to have a whole lung removed, why does he have to go back to theatre to have fluid drained from around his heart, why does he have to be in so much pain, why does the cancer have to grow right back in a few weeks, why does he have to get tumours in his brain as well, why does this have to happen to the daughter who has serious health issues of her own and weighs only about 7 stone, and now has little time or facility to look after herself? Why?" Because nobody knows why. It's just shitty. Pesky ( talk) 07:12, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
Like they say: "Fuck that shit." Somehow we just have to find the resilience to cope with it. Pesky ( talk) 07:36, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
@Anthony: nice article! One of the biggest problems with a little 'un like Leon (second birthday on Monday) is that it's very hard to tell when he's in pain, or just feeling totally pissed off. And with cancer in the cavity left by his removed lung, we have to be terribly careful not to over-do the morphine and suppress his breathing, as his other lung is under pressure both from mass effect and from having to do all the work. Having said that, he's off his extra oxygen just at the moment - going through a slightly better patch. Pesky ( talk) 19:04, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
Pesky, I wanted to offer a thought that helps me to make sense of it in my life. You're most welcome to add it to your page if you think others might benefit as well.
Pesky, There may not be any answers to why life is short and life is suffering, but when I lose someone close, and when I look at the very precarious future to be faced, I do see one thing clear enough. God reminds us of what is important in life, to stop us in the daily routines and to think that tomorrow we may be gone. Those that go are fast forgotten. The only chance we have to live is today, and every single day knowing where my life is leading makes me yearn all the more for the small mercies that god gives us, every day that you are sick you curse and you wish and you would 'give anything if only' but today when you don't have that sickness, don't have food poisoning or burns or stabbing pain, you forget everything and find some stupid distraction to obsess over. People often and too quickly choose to live the life of bad people, forgetting that the life of a bad person sucks. Nobody likes you. The life of a good person is much much better, so when are you going to live that life ? in the next life, the one after that, the 100th after that one ? God reminds us that today is the day to be kind and to love and to help. When he shows us that tomorrow our bodies will fall back into the soil, and everything we had hoped for and hoped to do and hoped to be and hoped to love will rot away into the Earth. The only day is today. There is no other day. No brilliant investment or the most outstanding scientific breakthrough will ever change the inevitable sunset upon our existence. The sun will go down, it always does, and no flurry of activity before sunset will ever change it. Today is the day to live life as though it mattered. That is why I believe God takes from us, and why he chooses at random. Most days I simply wonder why nobody listens, including me. Penyulap ☏ 06:59, 8 Nov 2012 (UTC) Pesky ( talk) 06:59, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
Thinking of you Pesky and wondering how the little one is doing. All best wishes to you and your family.( olive ( talk) 17:19, 16 November 2012 (UTC))