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Greetings,
I am looking for some copy edit help in the article Draft:2021 Minar-e-Pakistan mass sexual assault especially section #Prominent_reactions if possible.
Thanks
Bookku, 'Encyclopedias = expanding information & knowledge' ( talk) 17:53, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
Hello again @ SusunW and ARoseWolf: requesting guidance and help in following two respects.
Thanks and warm regards Bookku, 'Encyclopedias = expanding information & knowledge' ( talk) 08:52, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
After ARoseWolf's query I googled more, Pakistan media seem to be using 'medico–legal' usually for physical examination of assault victims (including non sexual assaults) by authorized medical doctor. For digital and DNA exams they seem to be using term 'forensic examination', The difference is probably because laws use term 'medico–legal' for assault related physical examination.
My perception is though report is prepared by authorized medical doctor (in south Asia it's generally in Government hospitals) wording is 'medico–legal' is used since such doctor's report is as per legal process and acceptable to judiciary as reliable evidence.
On Nov. 2020 Express Tribune news report provides following information:
About Minar e Pakistan case samaaenglish.tv news report says "The victim was brought to a hospital in Lahore on Thursday for medico-legal examination. The report came out on Friday and confirmed that the woman was tortured." Geo TV news report says "The Punjab government released Friday the medical examination report of the victim which confirmed details of the injuries she sustained after being assaulted".
Of the six news reports surveyed for Minar e Pakistan case by me 4 use word 'medico-legal' and two use wording just 'medical examination".
Thanks and warm regards
Bookku, 'Encyclopedias = expanding information & knowledge' ( talk) 17:56, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
References
@ SusunW, In fact writing this also took me some time at times we can not help and that is very much understandable. We already do considerable contribution of time and energy many times sacrificing other liking , at least in case of real life priorities need to be attended on priority and there is no reason for saying sorry for giving time to your own family first.
Thanks
Bookku, 'Encyclopedias = expanding information & knowledge' ( talk) 09:15, 19 March 2022 (UTC)
Greetings @ SusunW,
March 8, 2022 was fifth year of Aurat March. I had not particularly decided but inherent nature of the event being yearly article too got nature of yearly coverage. Since good number of academic sources are available now, I am looking forward to some slow but steady restructuring of the article over the coming year. Following challenges and scope seem available in restructuring and updating the article in future.
Your inputs will helpful in charting further updates in the article.
Thanks and warm regards
Bookku, 'Encyclopedias = expanding information & knowledge' ( talk) 06:18, 19 March 2022 (UTC)
Thanks for your thoughtful inputs this inspires me to write once more from scratch. With long enough legacy of feminist movement and related academic studies in Pakistan I was more of sure that academic studies will follow soon and those appeared but I could not keep the pace. In any case even most articles appeared in Pakistan's media were from scholarly activists, as elsewhere you said women in Gender studies and activists write less about each other is a problem in south Asia too.
Thanks and warm regards
Bookku, 'Encyclopedias = expanding information & knowledge' ( talk) 09:44, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
Women in Red Apr 2022, Vol 8, Issue 4, Nos 214, 217, 226, 227, 228
|
-- Megalibrarygirl ( talk) 22:46, 22 March 2022 (UTC) via MassMessaging
On 8 March 2022, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Stella Madzimbamuto, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that South African nurse Stella Madzimbamuto filed an appeal in 1968 with the Privy Council of the United Kingdom that resulted in the Rhodesian government being declared illegal? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Stella Madzimbamuto. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page ( here's how, Stella Madzimbamuto), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
— Maile ( talk) 00:03, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
Thank you for your share in IWD! I show two who didn't make it, one from Russia and one from Ukraine. - Thank you for your clarification on DYK, - perhaps you could also find a way to understanding for Cosima Wagner? -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 08:14, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
The Prayer is on the Main page, finally + new flowers, and btw: the TFA is a young writer's first -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 21:45, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
Hello, I see on your user page that you use JSTOR and I'd like to know more about your experience. By my calculations, a good 70 % of the main JSTOR content is now available for everyone at Internet Archive Scholar, with full text search provided e.g. at https://scholar.archive.org/ . The service is still in beta, but I've used it for some source-finding and it seems quite usable to me; I wonder whether that's just my experience. If you have a chance, the next time you'd be looking for a source on Google Scholar or JSTOR or similar, to perform the same search on IA scholar instead, I'd be curious to hear how it ends up. Thanks, Nemo 19:07, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
Hi. Do you think it's appropriate to include an additional category ( Category:Gender studies academics? Category:Women's studies academics?) in Carmen Diana Deere's biography? While she's associated with other academic departments, her work consistently crosses over into gender/women's studies. Thanks for taking a look. -- Rosiestep ( talk) 18:47, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
Greetings @ SusunW
Happened to write a bio of Mansiya V.P. a dancer who 'is' struggling through social ostracism for being secular to learn and practice Indian classical dance. I attempted to write Talk:Mansiya V.P.#DYK. Seeking your help in copy edit and guidance for improvement.
Thanks and warm regards
Bookku, 'Encyclopedias = expanding information & knowledge' ( talk) 11:22, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
@ SusunW and ARoseWolf: I am seriously contemplating to use other foreign languages too next time onwards to express thanks to both of you since English language dictionary is too small to express thanks for all the support both of you always provide.
Also thanks for accessing 2006 BBC news which my browser did not allow initially to open the same being http. Now I have added archive link for the same.
As of now un til DYK process gets over, I have refrained myself from including politicians comments etc to not take any chances with any edit warriors may be I will expand on those aspects some time in future.
With Ottoman Women's magazine I have observed DYK process a little so I will try accordingly and get back to you again if any help needed in the same.
warm regards
Bookku, 'Encyclopedias = expanding information & knowledge' ( talk) 18:25, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
Susun, I think I'm ready to get back into writing articles. I would like to finish the article on Connie Redbird Pinkerman-Uri. What is the best approach to getting access to the most Wikipedia Library has to offer? Thank you for any guidance you can offer. -- ARose Wolf 20:05, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
On 12 April 2022, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Yulia Tolopa, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Yulia Tolopa, a single mother from Russia, has fought for Ukraine in the war in Donbas since she was 18 years old? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Yulia Tolopa. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page ( here's how, Yulia Tolopa), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
theleekycauldron ( talk • contribs) (she/ they) 02:47, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
Thank you, and extra praise for your patience! -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 06:02, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
I want to say a big thank you for your suggestions for me! I do appreciate you and them! OhioGirl42986 ( talk)OhioGirl42986 — Preceding undated comment added 17:11, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
Hi Susun, I hope that things are good with you. I am currently assessing this article at FAC, and it occurred to me that it may interest you. If not, feel free to ignore. I assume that you are still chewing your way through "the project"? Gog the Mild ( talk) 20:30, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
What an incredibly amazing woman. Thank you, Susun, for writing about her. I enjoyed reading her Song written here. -- ARose Wolf 17:34, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
Greetings @ SusunW,
In process of updating Women's rights related articles in Pakistan first I created an article National Women's Day (Pakistan) (The day commemorates (Pre Aurat March) 1983 generation of Pakistan feminist movement later supported by one of center left political dispensation). Happened to split that article in one more 1983 Women's March, Lahore based on one of option got during the DyK discussion. I am looking for some copy edit help in both the articles.
There is not much hurry from my side you can take your time because it is still long way to go as such. Let me ping @ ARoseWolf: too as and when she finds time may help.
On side note, I am afraid do I always write too serious things, frankly with whom I can discuss what I find while searching for Wikipedia if not other Wikipedians. Btw requesting you to note, I do have one article Draft:Humor during the COVID-19 pandemic to find some change of subject and lighter mood by giving opportunity to work on it.
Thanks and warm regards
Bookku, 'Encyclopedias = expanding information & knowledge' ( talk) 10:59, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
"Out of 26 negative stories published in four newspapers, 21 were the statements, indicating instead of playing a proactive role in highlighting the issue of women empowerment, the policy of the newspapers’ relied on statements."I'm trying to wrap my head around what it is fully saying. "21 were the statements" of what, by whom? -- ARose Wolf 18:32, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
One of previous study para says
" .. For this research, ‘supportive’ coverage in the case of women rights and Women Action Forum’s movement, the researcher looked for ‘ women have been given all rights by the Constitution’, ‘women should play their role in all fields’, ‘Hadd laws are anti-women’, ‘ women should not be the targets of biased laws’;
for ‘ non–supportive’, the researcher looked for ‘ Islam does not permit women to go out of house’, ‘ Women’s best role is in their homes’, ‘women organizations are spreading vulgarity’, ‘women rights organizations are anti-Islam’ and other prejudicial statements. "
@ SusunW One issue I came across about "National Women's Day India". By 1975 8th March was becoming common internationally still then Indian Prime Minister Indira Gandhi went on to inaugurate National Women's Day for India on February 16, 1975 but day was selected as per Indian calendar. Most probably as part of indigenization or connect to Indian culture.
(On side note funnily enough during February 16, 1975 inaugural welcome address Delhi's mayor told audience that day was selected since Indira Gandhi's parents married on that day as per Indian calendar, it's difficult to say that was flattery or potshot, later Gandhi explains importance of the day in Indian calendar in her speech that day)
Prime Minister Gandhi's later political career was of political ups and down and I am still in search whether the day was celebrated as per Indian calendar in later years.
Meanwhile we can see media reports of some low key celebration of National Women's Day India every year on 13 Feb; why and when shifted to 13 Feb is still matter of search.
In some countries National Women's Days seem to be celebrated separately to have a local connect same time fulfilling objective of deflecting / responding nationalistic or right wing criticism that feminism and women's movement are western concepts by displaying some local connect.
I added 1975 Indian National Women's Day to International Women's Year since there is clear connect.
I would be okay to merge Pakistan's National Women's Day in some other article like Feminism in Pakistan if you also think so but for above cited reason of local connect day is likely to be celebrated in future too even though low key some times media covering it some times not covering low key annual events depending on journalists own interest and news value of people attending such events.
Bookku, 'Encyclopedias = expanding information & knowledge' ( talk) 03:21, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 45 | ← | Archive 49 | Archive 50 | Archive 51 | Archive 52 | Archive 53 | → | Archive 55 |
Greetings,
I am looking for some copy edit help in the article Draft:2021 Minar-e-Pakistan mass sexual assault especially section #Prominent_reactions if possible.
Thanks
Bookku, 'Encyclopedias = expanding information & knowledge' ( talk) 17:53, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
Hello again @ SusunW and ARoseWolf: requesting guidance and help in following two respects.
Thanks and warm regards Bookku, 'Encyclopedias = expanding information & knowledge' ( talk) 08:52, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
After ARoseWolf's query I googled more, Pakistan media seem to be using 'medico–legal' usually for physical examination of assault victims (including non sexual assaults) by authorized medical doctor. For digital and DNA exams they seem to be using term 'forensic examination', The difference is probably because laws use term 'medico–legal' for assault related physical examination.
My perception is though report is prepared by authorized medical doctor (in south Asia it's generally in Government hospitals) wording is 'medico–legal' is used since such doctor's report is as per legal process and acceptable to judiciary as reliable evidence.
On Nov. 2020 Express Tribune news report provides following information:
About Minar e Pakistan case samaaenglish.tv news report says "The victim was brought to a hospital in Lahore on Thursday for medico-legal examination. The report came out on Friday and confirmed that the woman was tortured." Geo TV news report says "The Punjab government released Friday the medical examination report of the victim which confirmed details of the injuries she sustained after being assaulted".
Of the six news reports surveyed for Minar e Pakistan case by me 4 use word 'medico-legal' and two use wording just 'medical examination".
Thanks and warm regards
Bookku, 'Encyclopedias = expanding information & knowledge' ( talk) 17:56, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
References
@ SusunW, In fact writing this also took me some time at times we can not help and that is very much understandable. We already do considerable contribution of time and energy many times sacrificing other liking , at least in case of real life priorities need to be attended on priority and there is no reason for saying sorry for giving time to your own family first.
Thanks
Bookku, 'Encyclopedias = expanding information & knowledge' ( talk) 09:15, 19 March 2022 (UTC)
Greetings @ SusunW,
March 8, 2022 was fifth year of Aurat March. I had not particularly decided but inherent nature of the event being yearly article too got nature of yearly coverage. Since good number of academic sources are available now, I am looking forward to some slow but steady restructuring of the article over the coming year. Following challenges and scope seem available in restructuring and updating the article in future.
Your inputs will helpful in charting further updates in the article.
Thanks and warm regards
Bookku, 'Encyclopedias = expanding information & knowledge' ( talk) 06:18, 19 March 2022 (UTC)
Thanks for your thoughtful inputs this inspires me to write once more from scratch. With long enough legacy of feminist movement and related academic studies in Pakistan I was more of sure that academic studies will follow soon and those appeared but I could not keep the pace. In any case even most articles appeared in Pakistan's media were from scholarly activists, as elsewhere you said women in Gender studies and activists write less about each other is a problem in south Asia too.
Thanks and warm regards
Bookku, 'Encyclopedias = expanding information & knowledge' ( talk) 09:44, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
Women in Red Apr 2022, Vol 8, Issue 4, Nos 214, 217, 226, 227, 228
|
-- Megalibrarygirl ( talk) 22:46, 22 March 2022 (UTC) via MassMessaging
On 8 March 2022, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Stella Madzimbamuto, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that South African nurse Stella Madzimbamuto filed an appeal in 1968 with the Privy Council of the United Kingdom that resulted in the Rhodesian government being declared illegal? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Stella Madzimbamuto. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page ( here's how, Stella Madzimbamuto), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
— Maile ( talk) 00:03, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
Thank you for your share in IWD! I show two who didn't make it, one from Russia and one from Ukraine. - Thank you for your clarification on DYK, - perhaps you could also find a way to understanding for Cosima Wagner? -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 08:14, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
The Prayer is on the Main page, finally + new flowers, and btw: the TFA is a young writer's first -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 21:45, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
Hello, I see on your user page that you use JSTOR and I'd like to know more about your experience. By my calculations, a good 70 % of the main JSTOR content is now available for everyone at Internet Archive Scholar, with full text search provided e.g. at https://scholar.archive.org/ . The service is still in beta, but I've used it for some source-finding and it seems quite usable to me; I wonder whether that's just my experience. If you have a chance, the next time you'd be looking for a source on Google Scholar or JSTOR or similar, to perform the same search on IA scholar instead, I'd be curious to hear how it ends up. Thanks, Nemo 19:07, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
Hi. Do you think it's appropriate to include an additional category ( Category:Gender studies academics? Category:Women's studies academics?) in Carmen Diana Deere's biography? While she's associated with other academic departments, her work consistently crosses over into gender/women's studies. Thanks for taking a look. -- Rosiestep ( talk) 18:47, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
Greetings @ SusunW
Happened to write a bio of Mansiya V.P. a dancer who 'is' struggling through social ostracism for being secular to learn and practice Indian classical dance. I attempted to write Talk:Mansiya V.P.#DYK. Seeking your help in copy edit and guidance for improvement.
Thanks and warm regards
Bookku, 'Encyclopedias = expanding information & knowledge' ( talk) 11:22, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
@ SusunW and ARoseWolf: I am seriously contemplating to use other foreign languages too next time onwards to express thanks to both of you since English language dictionary is too small to express thanks for all the support both of you always provide.
Also thanks for accessing 2006 BBC news which my browser did not allow initially to open the same being http. Now I have added archive link for the same.
As of now un til DYK process gets over, I have refrained myself from including politicians comments etc to not take any chances with any edit warriors may be I will expand on those aspects some time in future.
With Ottoman Women's magazine I have observed DYK process a little so I will try accordingly and get back to you again if any help needed in the same.
warm regards
Bookku, 'Encyclopedias = expanding information & knowledge' ( talk) 18:25, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
Susun, I think I'm ready to get back into writing articles. I would like to finish the article on Connie Redbird Pinkerman-Uri. What is the best approach to getting access to the most Wikipedia Library has to offer? Thank you for any guidance you can offer. -- ARose Wolf 20:05, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
On 12 April 2022, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Yulia Tolopa, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Yulia Tolopa, a single mother from Russia, has fought for Ukraine in the war in Donbas since she was 18 years old? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Yulia Tolopa. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page ( here's how, Yulia Tolopa), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
theleekycauldron ( talk • contribs) (she/ they) 02:47, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
Thank you, and extra praise for your patience! -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 06:02, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
I want to say a big thank you for your suggestions for me! I do appreciate you and them! OhioGirl42986 ( talk)OhioGirl42986 — Preceding undated comment added 17:11, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
Hi Susun, I hope that things are good with you. I am currently assessing this article at FAC, and it occurred to me that it may interest you. If not, feel free to ignore. I assume that you are still chewing your way through "the project"? Gog the Mild ( talk) 20:30, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
What an incredibly amazing woman. Thank you, Susun, for writing about her. I enjoyed reading her Song written here. -- ARose Wolf 17:34, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
Greetings @ SusunW,
In process of updating Women's rights related articles in Pakistan first I created an article National Women's Day (Pakistan) (The day commemorates (Pre Aurat March) 1983 generation of Pakistan feminist movement later supported by one of center left political dispensation). Happened to split that article in one more 1983 Women's March, Lahore based on one of option got during the DyK discussion. I am looking for some copy edit help in both the articles.
There is not much hurry from my side you can take your time because it is still long way to go as such. Let me ping @ ARoseWolf: too as and when she finds time may help.
On side note, I am afraid do I always write too serious things, frankly with whom I can discuss what I find while searching for Wikipedia if not other Wikipedians. Btw requesting you to note, I do have one article Draft:Humor during the COVID-19 pandemic to find some change of subject and lighter mood by giving opportunity to work on it.
Thanks and warm regards
Bookku, 'Encyclopedias = expanding information & knowledge' ( talk) 10:59, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
"Out of 26 negative stories published in four newspapers, 21 were the statements, indicating instead of playing a proactive role in highlighting the issue of women empowerment, the policy of the newspapers’ relied on statements."I'm trying to wrap my head around what it is fully saying. "21 were the statements" of what, by whom? -- ARose Wolf 18:32, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
One of previous study para says
" .. For this research, ‘supportive’ coverage in the case of women rights and Women Action Forum’s movement, the researcher looked for ‘ women have been given all rights by the Constitution’, ‘women should play their role in all fields’, ‘Hadd laws are anti-women’, ‘ women should not be the targets of biased laws’;
for ‘ non–supportive’, the researcher looked for ‘ Islam does not permit women to go out of house’, ‘ Women’s best role is in their homes’, ‘women organizations are spreading vulgarity’, ‘women rights organizations are anti-Islam’ and other prejudicial statements. "
@ SusunW One issue I came across about "National Women's Day India". By 1975 8th March was becoming common internationally still then Indian Prime Minister Indira Gandhi went on to inaugurate National Women's Day for India on February 16, 1975 but day was selected as per Indian calendar. Most probably as part of indigenization or connect to Indian culture.
(On side note funnily enough during February 16, 1975 inaugural welcome address Delhi's mayor told audience that day was selected since Indira Gandhi's parents married on that day as per Indian calendar, it's difficult to say that was flattery or potshot, later Gandhi explains importance of the day in Indian calendar in her speech that day)
Prime Minister Gandhi's later political career was of political ups and down and I am still in search whether the day was celebrated as per Indian calendar in later years.
Meanwhile we can see media reports of some low key celebration of National Women's Day India every year on 13 Feb; why and when shifted to 13 Feb is still matter of search.
In some countries National Women's Days seem to be celebrated separately to have a local connect same time fulfilling objective of deflecting / responding nationalistic or right wing criticism that feminism and women's movement are western concepts by displaying some local connect.
I added 1975 Indian National Women's Day to International Women's Year since there is clear connect.
I would be okay to merge Pakistan's National Women's Day in some other article like Feminism in Pakistan if you also think so but for above cited reason of local connect day is likely to be celebrated in future too even though low key some times media covering it some times not covering low key annual events depending on journalists own interest and news value of people attending such events.
Bookku, 'Encyclopedias = expanding information & knowledge' ( talk) 03:21, 23 April 2022 (UTC)