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Hi,
Thanks for your message. I agree it should be used with caution, and if theres any ambiguity or I don't have an independent source to support the index entry, I leave the DOB out.
In Burdell's case, we know his place of birth and what age he was when he died, and there is only one "Robert Burdell" in the entire index, which appears to be complete up until the 1960s/70s, so I don't think I am making any assumptions here. I don't doubt there may be errors, but I've been on here long enough to notice that most so-called reliable sources are far from perfect.
I did a search after you reverted to see if there had been any previous discussions on using this a source, but all I could find were concerns about using them in BLPs. Should we really be holdings articles like this to the same standard? J Mo 101 ( talk) 07:46, 9 August 2017 (UTC)
I'm not really here right now, but I noticed thisSpooky! Thanks, Boing. I've experienced a lot of the situations you mention and one or two others also (eg: the child of one relative died in infancy and the next male child born to the couple was given a name identical to the one who had died). - Sitush ( talk) 11:43, 10 August 2017 (UTC)
FreeBMD is not a primary source, it is a transcription of an index. Regards DynamoDegsy ( talk) 11:58, 10 August 2017 (UTC)
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For your constant monitoring of activity on Kamma (caste) and many other pages Altruism T a l k - Contris. 16:21, 11 August 2017 (UTC) |
Hi, do you have any opinion on the content at Gautam (given name). Much of it looks like the usual caste shlock but still... – Uanfala 23:13, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
Nice work on this article.
I was wondering if you know whether the British Army was stationed there well before the 1922 uprising. I discovered British actress Mary Hignett was born in Madras in 1916. Her father, Horace Arthur Du Cane Hignett, was a Captain in the British Army. - NewTestLeper79 talk 12:33, 6 August 2017 (UTC)
Do you have any idea about whether References 10 to 18 are suitable as things currently stand at Dhananjoy Chatterjee.You may also wish to comment about this revision of mine executed in a set of edits.Cheers:) Winged Blades Godric 09:35, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
Balija dynasty sources are baseless and not even accepted by Indian government records. Kaifiats are not bases to make a theory. Millikat ( talk) 13:58, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
Irshick cited Kaifiat as a source which is not accepted anywer. There r many Kaifiats written by fake people. Government of India dismissed kaifiats as sources. How can it be encyclopedic Millikat ( talk) 14:02, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
Hi, i'm drafting an article here on Singikulam village in Tamil Nadu. I'm finding it difficult to disambiguate 'Singikulam', 'Singikulam (New)' and 'Singikulam (old) however. The village appears to have originally been 'Singikulam' then the population sprawled/migrated and bifurcated. Got any idea how i can find a source for the bifurcation? I have thought about getting a broad idea of when it happened from censuses pre-2001 but i don't know how to access those. Any ideas or help would be appreciated. Thanks Cesdeva ( talk) 14:46, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
Nayaks were kings belonging to 14th century. Eugene defined caste of Nayaks in 20th century. There are no caste system during Nayaks rule. Eugene defined caste of Nayaks out of imagination. Eugene quoted kelsals ballary district manual as source. Kelsals manual doesn't give clarity about nayaks caste. That is y Indian government records doesn't accept these theories. This must not be encyclopedic. Nayaks doesn't anywer mentioned their caste on their own nor any contemporary sources. Useless baseless source eugene Millikat ( talk) 09:06, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
Hi, I see that you've had recent dealings with Animech.79. Please cast an eye towards Mushika Kingdom when you get a moment. Thanks.— Cpt.a.haddock ( talk) (please ping when replying) 14:28, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
File:A._Atkinson_-_Castleford.jpg is used at Arthur Atkinson (rugby league) under the terms of our NFCC. It's a nice, clear, colourful image but it is cartoon-ish. There are black-and-white head-and-shoulder photos of him in contemporary newspapers which are nothing like as good in quality but do have the benefit of actually being the man rather than an artist's impression that borders on caricature. The newspapers are from the 1930s, so ultimately NFCC would apply to them also.
The problem I face in trying to get a discussion going about this is two-fold. Firstly, I'd need to upload one of the photos to demonstrate the point and that would presumably fall foul of some policy because we already have one available for him. Secondly, if I upload the photo then I might be in breach of UK copyright law, even though if someone in the US did so there would not be a problem.
Thoughts? - Sitush ( talk) 13:21, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
Mattlore ( talk) 09:25, 17 August 2017 (UTC)
Hello there. I seem to recall you being quie au fait with a few procedures here. Specifically with RFC could I ask the best route to go, I know you have given me advice on the binary side, but would it be best as a
Having never done it before I would want to bring a swift, and rounded result, as I've committed to setting something up, but that doesn't good enough for everyone. Just looking for a little assistance to bring a proper resolution to the flags question. Warm regards. Fleets ( talk) 20:30, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
There is currently a request for comment at XXXX regarding the use of flags in rugby league infoboxes.
Sitush In the article Kamma in glossary of castes. It is mentioned that Kamma A dominant peasant caste in coastal Andhra I am not finding forward caste statement. https://www.odi.org/sites/odi.org.uk/files/odi-assets/publications-opinion-files/2692.pdf Also in vellalar article many sources state velir only but these have used to add content to the article. is that correct. can you clarify. By clicking the pages I am not seeing anything..Thats what I mean. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sangitha rani111 ( talk • contribs) 16:49, 20 August 2017 (UTC)
So in the vellalar article.
1. There is a sentence "Some of them had marital relations; Ilamcetcenni, the king known for his fleet of warships, married a Velir princess, and his son Karikala Chola also married a Velir princess from Nangur". It refers to velir not vellalar. I think many of the books in this article are actually refering to velir and should be included in velir not in vellalar. Sorry is that clear.. I could be confusing sometimes. The article is trying to mix the two together.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sangitha rani111 ( talk • contribs) 19:30, 20 August 2017 (UTC)
Editing warring in this page, also addition of WP:rs sources, I think you will be able to do better job Shrikanthv ( talk) 10:01, 25 August 2017 (UTC)
Hi Sitush, please take a look at the page titled " Karnataka (Nepal)". The contribution history of the creater of the page is reminding me of Admirenepal sockfarm. Thanks — Ind akash ( talk) 09:17, 28 August 2017 (UTC)
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Hi, This is WikiCone!. Hope you are well. You recently removed my edits from Kumar Vishwas while there was nothing like you wrote in description that it was a fan made stuff. As i checked you are reverting all edits on this page and the page has been still same since a long time. Feel free if you think that you did any mistake, i will manage the page. Mr Sitush, i hope you will not act like it again. Thanks. WikiCone! ( talk) 21:18 12 September 2017 (UTC)
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Thanks for your note. I understand the rationale behind the revert and it's OK to have it removed, however, I've never intended to push any POV in this or any other contributions of mine. I have cited sources wherever possible to ensure that the statements are credible. Genetics based studies if not accepted in a caste-based article, it is fine, but Brahmins have that genetic variation (recorded in various genetic studies, which are facts) from the rest of the communities whether or not you or anyone else accepts it, in general. Your recent edit commentaries seemed to align with the perspectives of those people who try and portray Brahmins to be divisive and make them the scapegoat.
So that you've some perspective, let me tell you that the Brahmins by and large were and still are in pursuit of knowledge, that made them relatively more intelligent, thereby stemming jealousy among others. Brahmins never tried to be divisive / racist to anyone if someone had the calibre! Brahmins had a few ethics which they upheld and did a few things differently, including keeping them separate from others, but that itself can't be generalised, as had that been the case, Ved Vyas who was born to a fisher woman wouldn't have been allowed to edit 4 Vedas and write Mahabharata, Valmiki couldn't have composed Ramayan, India wouldn't have had Bhakti and non-bhakti saints etc., and Ram, Buddha, Valmiki, Vashisht, Mahavir, Vivekananda wouldn't have been treasured/considered great by others and Brahmins alike.
You may be aware of the examples, such as the Pundits (Brahmins) of Cashmere been killed and removed from their original homes from their homeland, and Brahmins been forced out of Goa during Portuguese reign because they didn't convert to Christianity etc. So, many of us have been resilient and that's why we have been relatively more successful, although the Quota system as per the Government of India regulations makes it hard for a Brahmin to reach at top-tier jobs. So, I wasn't racist, I just stated a few facts!
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It's his official title His Holiness 954482ab ( talk) 13:58, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
See here. - Sitush ( talk) 15:14, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
Maybe I should create List of council waste recycling points in Aberdeen? Or List of dole offices in Wigan? - Sitush ( talk) 15:49, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
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Good job cleaning up A. V. Thomas. It is great to see that there are people who take the time to do this essential work. RileyBugz 会話 投稿記録 20:41, 23 September 2017 (UTC) |
What is your problem man???? Mallampalli Somasekhara Sharma is the only world class telugu historian. I submitted the sources of him.. U r using his sources for other castes like balijas etc.. Check balijas caste wikipedia page.. Whats wrong with you? Musunuri Nayaks are only independent kings of South India and appointed several vassals including reddies of kondaveedu..... This is quoted by Sharma in his works.....If any injustice is done to Musunuri Nayaks i'm not going to spare it.... We even approach any legal cells to report this Felkope ( talk) 09:50, 30 September 2017 (UTC)
I researched a few of the user's contributions and found these articles had similar, or more blatant, issues compared to the ones you recently nominated: Carla Losey, Julie Weflen, Linne Dominelli, Marlene Abigosis, and Vernon Jones. I was very conservative measuring notability and probably could have included a few more. Although I am certain these articles should be nominated for deletion, I have not pulled the trigger yet because they are all from the same editor; I don't want him to think I am here to run him off the project. TheGracefulSlick ( talk) 00:59, 25 September 2017 (UTC)
You think that's — the above — is a legal threat? Try reading this lot. I suppose it's not really funny, but I was kind of cheered by visions of you being dragged to the courts of Delhi and of press releases stating the caste you belong to. That'll teach you to assume good faith. Bishonen | talk 20:23, 2 October 2017 (UTC).
This thing will be brought up in front of the Management of Wikipedia, well, they might be on to something there because it is no secret that Jimbo dislikes me and seemingly pretty much any other Wikipedia contributor from Manchester. - Sitush ( talk) 20:32, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
Hello, I have deprodded Bamraulia because it has been prodded in the past. I only did this for procedural reasons; if you still wish to pursue deletion please feel free to open an AFD. Cheers, — KuyaBriBri Talk 01:27, 4 October 2017 (UTC)
Rashakhalifa added a shorter version of Hani Sarie-Eldin's cv as early as 2013. I've given them a discretionary sanctions alert for blps, plus a specific warning. Is my patience getting shorter? Bishonen | talk 18:06, 4 October 2017 (UTC).
Ha, as well as our paid work for Indian princes, I've also now blagged a job with the CIA (along with User:Materialscientist and User:Yamla). Boing! said Zebedee ( talk) 21:05, 7 October 2017 (UTC)
Hello. Why have you changed dates on this article to YMD when you yourself have acknowledged DMY dates at the top of the article? The ref for WP:RETAIN seems to indicate leaving the dates as the norm for UK articles. Regards. The joy of all things ( talk) 10:26, 10 October 2017 (UTC)
It's good to see you leave the subcontinent for a while to improve Manchester articles. I may even continue with something I started but need to visit the library. J3Mrs ( talk) 10:31, 11 October 2017 (UTC)
Do you speak it? If yes, can you take a look here and see what they are on about? They posted what appeared to be a bio (google translate was semi-useful) and some personal details at the village pump. I don't know if they are making a complaint or trying to promote something etc. Or it could be a hindi bot for all I know. Only in death does duty end ( talk) 10:56, 11 October 2017 (UTC)
Hey, I have seen you putting in time and efforts to clear Raj era sources again and again. I appreciate the effort. But wouldn't it be little less cumbersome to get those sources added to the Blacklist or something and let some bots do this job for you? -- Pankaj Jain Capankajsmilyo ( talk · contribs · count) 13:45, 11 October 2017 (UTC)
I visit page on CKPs https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chandraseniya_Kayastha_Prabhu quite often I saw that some surnames were removed. Why so? SP2705 ( talk) 13:20, 12 October 2017 (UTC)
I have responded to your comment at my talk page. I had to archive the whole thread as TheGracefulslick could not miss the opportunity to start up something. Anyway I have no issue with you as long as we both can agree to what I wrote. I will do a great effort to expand on my reasoning for the benefit of you, absolutely. And you will try to stance from POV pushing. Have a great evening.-- BabbaQ ( talk) 18:19, 12 October 2017 (UTC)
Wikipedia:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/The_World_Contest - yet more crap incoming, and some will get "paid" for it. I've recently edited a couple of articles that I think may have had origins in the last contest and, well, they were very poor, as also happened with the Dalit History Month collaboration - dubious notability, seriously misrepresenting sources etc. We're past the growth phase now and really should be insisting on quality. - Sitush ( talk) 12:57, 12 October 2017 (UTC)
On the other hand, this says it all when it comes to the WMF and grants etc. - Sitush ( talk) 23:25, 12 October 2017 (UTC)
Dear Sitush,
You said "I doubt that the Illustrated Weekly of India was a reliable source - can we not find something better?" on https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Chandraseniya_Kayastha_Prabhu&action=history
Very surprised that a wiki admin should make such a comment
I strongly disagree that a respected secondary source news-magazine that was around for more than a 100 years (until 1993?) and had prominent journalists editing it should be arbitrarily classified as 'not good' by a Wikipedia admin in a comment. We allow worse sources elsewhere on Wikipedia. Primary source(Shri Shankaracharya's letter itself) does exist but is from Raj era - so we cannot use it as per Wikipedia rules( I am talking about "Ethnographical notes on Chandraseniya Kayastha Prabhu" ). And we are not using this Raj era source. But at least it does validate the secondary source.
This so called CKP community is extremely tiny (numerically) and hence it is difficult to find a lot of literature on it. We are facing similar issues with Pathare prabhus and even our fellow Karhade Brahmins. We should not dismiss a perfectly valid secondary sources like 'the weekly' imho.
I would like to add this reference back - but as you say I will try to search for another secondary source. But in any case this 1970s source is quite informative and well written in itself and should not be removed IMHO.
Acharya63 ( talk) 04:44, 13 October 2017 (UTC)
keegan hi Sitush. I see you are replacing an old photo, why is that? I have looked at the photo situation before and there is no problem at all with the photo you are removing, what problem do you see with that photo? Govindaharihari ( talk) 14:49, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
Hi Sitush I left a message for you on Talk:Vellalar. Xenani ( talk) 15:25, 16 October 2017 (UTC)
Sitush, I am not understanding your deletions. Please explain.
1. You deleted a table from https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Chandraseniya_Kayastha_Prabhu&oldid=805875832 calling it trivia. But exactly similar 'trivia' (in fact older) had existed on the Deshastha Brahmin page that you have been editing for years. https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Deshastha_Brahmin&oldid=412765800
2. You deleted the opinion of Shri Shankaracharya (the highest authority on hinduism) by giving a reason that you do not care about some religious leader in the 1800s. But the source is not british-era. The other day you asked to find a better source for that SAME information and did not delete it. So it seems you did care about Shri Shankaracharya at that time. So what changed? So should I look for a better source for his opinion?
Are not ALL caste articles based based on opinions of religious people before the 20th centuries? Were castes formed in the 20th century? We are using non-british era sources.
3. Also, you deleted Jonathansammy's and my hard work about the satyagraha (on the same page). https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Chandraseniya_Kayastha_Prabhu&oldid=805875832
But you have allowed similar information (about Ambedkar) to remain on https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Deshastha_Brahmin&oldid=412765800
You seem to follow different "rules" in your deletes for different pages.
Acharya63 (
talk) 06:36, 18 October 2017 (UTC)
Enjoy your break, Sitush. You deserve it!
Kautilya3 (
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Since I seem to have a few people watching at the moment, can someone please take a look at the goings-on at Madhwa Brahmins and its talk page. - Sitush ( talk) 12:38, 11 October 2017 (UTC)
Hi Sitush, why so can i know the reason Madhwa Brahmin page.I think i did not mislead any information i'm writing neutrally according to wiki standards. Motospiff ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 03:05, 20 October 2017 (UTC)
Hi, Sitush,
As my go-to-guy in any cast-related-topic, can you kindly verify the correctness of this ?Regards:) Winged Blades of Godric On leave 10:06, 19 October 2017 (UTC)
May I know why so much bias against article. You seem to be ignoring every valid source violating Wikipedia neutral policy. Meenapandit — Preceding unsigned comment added by Meenapandit ( talk • contribs) 05:17, 19 October 2017 (UTC)
Hmmmm I wonder how People of india, Anthrapological survey of India 2003 can be Raj Era. Care to explain? In relation to chib. And also please explain what you consider reliable book on casts and communities.
stop edit warring andf then dropin edit war templates on other users talkpages, its embarrasing. Govindaharihari ( talk) 06:52, 20 October 2017 (UTC)
Hi. I made some edits on the article of Janjua but you reverted it. I have a good reference for this, the famous and most popular newspaper of Pakistan which is Express news.The evidence is that https://www.express.pk/story/111494/ Newblog 32 ( talk) 01:38, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
Hi. I noticed that you have some history with
Rajbanshi. A few days after your last edit, it was cut-paste-merged into
Koch Rajbongshi people which was itself moved from
Rajbongshi. Now there's some weird double-barrelled business going on that looks suspect.
Britannica names them Koch, also called Rajbanshi …
Any idea what's going on here? Cheers.—
Cpt.a.haddock (
talk) (please ping when replying) 13:46, 20 October 2017 (UTC)
‘Koch’ is the name of a community and ‘Rajbongshi’ means ancestors of a royal family, hence ‘Koch-Rajbongshi’ cannot be a name of an ethnic group. So I suspect that the people are the Koch and Rajbanshi is an affectation to remind people of their Koch dynasty heritage. Or some nonsense like that. Ethnologue's search box suggests that Koch Rajbanshi is also an alternate name for Rangpuri. Chaipau, do you know anything about all this?— Cpt.a.haddock ( talk) (please ping when replying) 17:42, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
Hi, you recently edited the page Seymour Remenick, and took out some bio information. Reason was you don't know this is the same person. May I ask, which parts do you mean? The part from the Schwarz gallery seems to be pretty clear it's Seymour Remenick. Can you put the part citing the Schwarz gallery back in? Thanks Socialresearch ( talk) 21:55, 18 October 2017 (UTC)
Dear Sitush, Someone had used the word 'nigger' on the wikipedia page for Deshastha Brahmins to refer to Brahmins. Needless to say this is very racist and extremely offensive to Brahmins from Maharashtra. I understand it was a quote by some colonial era European and not a personal quote by a wiki editor. But in my opinion such racist language should be avoided on wikipedia. Hence I removed it. Do wiki admins run a search tool on all the wiki content for vulgar/racist words. What is the wikipedia policy on such issues? Thank you. Acharya63 ( talk) 03:15, 22 October 2017 (UTC) (Had forgotten to sign this earlier. Thanks to Joshua Jonathan for resolving this and removing this derogatory word from the Deshastha Brahmin page) Acharya63 ( talk) 03:15, 22 October 2017 (UTC)
To show no hard feelings about a certain other image, and indeed appreciation of your work, I cropped, uploaded and put this image on the article that you wrote, thinking it would be more to the point than a kitten image as you have above. But then, of course I realized that you had found the obituary, so could have probably done so yourself.... so if there is a reason you intentionally didn't, please say so, and accept my apologies instead. (Maybe a kitten would have been better after all!) -- GRuban ( talk) 14:40, 22 October 2017 (UTC)
Please lock Satya Nadella and Sundar Pichai pages Sitush, many people are coming and deleting references and related content. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zingzing1 ( talk • contribs) 15:35, 23 October 2017 (UTC)
Hi Sitush, There is a lot of useless content in this page can you correct it.-- Zingzing1 ( talk) 8:01 AM, Tuesday, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
Don't understand why you are highlighting only negative and unpopular matters related to Kumar Vishwas. You are just deleting the good content and pasting the same material which maligns his image. I have given the references for each edits. Please go through this.
What concern was that? What image are you referring to now? - Sitush ( talk) 10:02, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
What about the countries visited by him? - Dipupandey80 ( talk) 11:11, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
The interest of the confirmed socks span multiple years for this deleted article. Other contribs may need analysis.
The following accounts are Possible to WikiCone! as they share the same IP and the first two created their accounts within less than 12 hours of each other:
After evaluation, it would be good for someone to get this into an SPI report to track for future purposes. It also allows a place to report others that you may feel are related or we may tie this to another master eventually. We can worry about tags later. Don't be shy about asking some of the other admins for help sorting this out, Sitush. More eyes may mean that more socks are found.
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Berean Hunter
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So, we file it under the existing Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Shivamevolution? Guys, I'm sorry, I did say I'd do it, but I meant a regular simple SPI. I can't handle all the branching-out stuff above, I'm out. Pinging @ Utcursch and Titodutta: for you, to see if they can add further likelihoods and complexities. Bishonen | talk 20:39, 21 October 2017 (UTC).
I'll file the SPI in the next few hours. Meanwhile, there's someone you know from when you were buying a flat who is also likely indulging in behavior similar to what's noted above. I've left a note asking for an explanation on one account and a COI warning on the other, maybe Bearian Hunter might see things differently from how I'm seeing them on this new issue? — Spaceman Spiff 03:54, 22 October 2017 (UTC)
it's more likely a paid editing ring with Shivamroy controlling the rest.And, in all probabilities, apart from technical evidences, ShivamRoy22 can be blocked for mass-scale undisclosed paid-editing.But, what surprised me the most is the excessive interest of the entire farm about Indian vice-presidential election, 2017! Winged Blades of Godric On leave 09:27, 23 October 2017 (UTC)
I have bitten the bullet and filed an outline case at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Shivamevolution - it needs work. Pinging SpacemanSpiff, Bishonen, Berean Hunter, Godric on Leave, RegentsPark. - Sitush ( talk) 12:07, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
Sitush, please can you advise me if the following is considered reliable or not? India's Communities A-Z: 3 Volume Set Series: People Of India Hardcover: 4206 pages Publisher: Oxford University Press (June 3, 1999) Language: English ISBN-10: 0195633547 ISBN-13: 978-0195633542 I do not think this is the state series. But not sure.
Or see this https://books.google.com/books?id=1lZuAAAAMAAJ
Are the above books reliable?
Acharya63 ( talk) 03:12, 25 October 2017 (UTC)
Hi Sitush,
I removed a text from anangpal tomar about caste of anangpal. You reverted this change and ask me to provide proper summary. Sitush, i already provided a proper summary there that there is no document or proofs about the caste of anangpal tomar. There is no news, article about anangpal tomar or anangpal tanwar. Even everyone knows that anangpal tomar was gurjar but rajput and jats also claim that he belongs to their community. But there is no proper proof for that. Only on the base of a book, you can not decide the history. Atleast there must be some other references also. Please revert back the changes. Thank You VIRAAT ( talk) 06:07, 25 October 2017 (UTC)
Hi Sitush - If / when you have a minute, could I please ask you to look at the recent edits to Karadiya Rajput - Given the editors name, I suspect PoV but some sources don't seem to support the previous version, so (s)he may be right. Thanks - Arjayay ( talk) 13:01, 25 October 2017 (UTC)
my laptop has got some flying cursor tech issue.Sorry if any spell mistakes remain due to this reason. AlSo Its taking me time to respond back. Rgds and thanks. Mahitgar ( talk) 06:58, 28 October 2017 (UTC)
Hello, I have just copy-paste your material from User:Sitush/Common to Wikipedia:Potentially unreliable sources via this edit. I don't know, whether I wrote it earlier, but I would like to mention again, should we consider building a Blacklist which can act as source for bots to make reverts? Thanks. -- Pankaj Jain Capankajsmilyo ( talk · contribs · count) 04:36, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
Hello, "Sitush". It's many years since you and I had any contact, as far as I remember, though occasionally I come across mentions of you, usually in the form of editors angrily denouncing you for bias in favour of the clan or caste that they presume you belong to, or just in favour of your native land of India. I always find that a little amusing.
I don't know whether you will be able help or not, but a problem has come up in connection with an India-related article, and in view of your experience in that area I thought you just might have something to suggest. The article is Prabir Ghosh. There has been a history of POV editing and edit warring on the article. I made this edit, where, as you can see from my edit summary, I removed content which had been disputed and for which there was no verifiable source. An editor has posted to my talk page about this, saying that there are reliable sources in newspaper reports, but they are old newspapers and not available online. The editor's message and my answer are at User talk:JamesBWatson#Prabir Ghosh. I get the impression that the editor is likely to be be right, but in view of the edit warring, the dispute over the content, and my edit summary in which I said that restoring the content without a verifiable source would be a BLP violation, I don't feel that I can just revert my removal.
In a way there is no reason why you should be more likely to have an answer than anyone else, since the problem of verification of old newspaper reports is not specific to India, but you may be able to help.
There is just one possible solution that I know of. The editor has offered to provide scanned copies of the newspaper reports, but I see two potential problems there: (1) I can't read Bengali, (2) posting copies of newspapers to Wikipedia would raise copyright issues. Point (2) could be dealt with by using email, but with the disadvantage that other readers could not verify the sources. Point (1) could be dealt with if there is a trustworthy editor who can read Bengali who could be consulted. You don't by any chance know of one, do you? Or have any suggestions as to how we could find one? Or any other ideas that might help? The editor who uses the pseudonym " JamesBWatson" ( talk) 09:26, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
Thanks to everyone for responding to this and other messages. I'm not very well at the moment. - Sitush ( talk) 12:48, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
Hey Sitush. This is letting you know that the William Beach Thomas article has been scheduled as today's featured article for December 12, 2017. Please check the article needs no amendments. If you're interested in editing the main page text, you're welcome to do so at Wikipedia:Today's featured article/December 12, 2017.-- Wehwalt ( talk) 09:35, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
I'm just looking at The Guardian's rolling news feed, and picturing 25 Wikipedians about to reenact something like this. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 16:01, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
ArbCom is in principle the right venue to deal with the Ref Desk issue. But that doesn't man that I don't have issues with the way ArbCom has gone about doing its business. But that's a very long story, it deals with issues that date back almost a decade, you can find some clues here. ArbCom should actually have the guts to mow down a walled garden, even if its' a very large one. Too often they have taken the mistaken but politically correct decision, to not do that. In some cases, the right decision may well be a very unpopular decision... Count Iblis ( talk) 21:22, 1 November 2017 (UTC)
I don't watch YouTube - can't hear anything on it and the captioning system is useless. - Sitush ( talk) 04:22, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
For example are the following source considered reliable? The latter two are from the Govt of India. Hence I am not sure if they are plagiarized from Raj sources.
1. Is The Castes, Tribes & Culture of India: Western Maharashtra & Gujarat Krishna Prakash Bahadur, Sukhdev Singh Chib Ess Ess Publications, 1977
2. Maharashtra, Land and Its People Front Cover Irawati Karmarkar Karve Directorate of Government Printing, Stationery and Publications, Maharashtra State, 1968 - Maharashtra (India) - 201 pages
3. Maharashtra, land and its people
Author: Tri Nā Vāḷuñjakara; A Śã Pāṭhaka; Maharashtra (India). Gazetteers Department. Publisher: Mumbai : Gazetteers Dept., Govt. of Maharashtra : Book available at, Govt. Book Depot, 2009. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Acharya63 ( talk • contribs) 08:06, 9 November 2017 (UTC)
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Please keep an eye on this Lohana page, there has been recent vandalism of sourced content by user "Harsh54". He is claiming Lohahans are Kshatriya from Afghanistan/Iran and other absurd pseudo-history things without any source. Additionally, he has removed so much things. I have restored as much as possible. 61.3.102.6 ( talk) 16:57, 2 December 2017 (UTC)
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Thank you for William Beach Thomas, a "war correspondent of WWI who gained both fame and infamy for his efforts and was also prominent as a writer of articles and books concerning rural affairs and nature. He was imprisoned for his activities in the early part of the war and also much parodied in the Wipers Times trench newspaper. He was later knighted by both the British and the French."! -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 08:32, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
Hi, could you take a little look on this article, Sri Lankan Vellalar. Xenani ( talk) 13:32, 27 November 2017 (UTC) Birbal Jha is the article I have included all those links in reference to the edit. I wonder why you appear to be biased and averse to the article. I have no conflict of Interest but I fail to understand your logic behind cleaning up. I have closed watched and read the activities of Birbal Jha on media and I take interest in editing it. Should I refrain myself from editing the article or do the justice to the page. Kind regards
Darrenmong Darrenmong ( talk) 05:37, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
I have not added anything that seems to be faulty.the words landed aristocracy is more appropriate.You can see it in any history of kakatiyas, qutub shahis,asafjahis/nizams and even during rashtrakutas who were considered as military chiefs/vassals/tax collectors.Every peasant leader cannot be zamindar & dynasty rulers.Before reverting to your own data you should check atleast whether I have provided any misleading information then it seems to be neutral information Bsr465 ( talk) 13:03, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
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if you are removing sikh because it is misleading to say so why you don't remove "jat" its too misleading Bhagat singh never said he is jat-- Jagat jit singh ( talk) 10:14, 23 December 2017 (UTC)
if you are saying sikh is misleading to say then thus jat is right to say ? even the source given along with it " https://books.google.co.in/books?id=PC4C3KcgCv0C&redir_esc=y" clear that he was born in a sandhu sikh jat family my dear please first read it and i am not creating any edit war i am just correcting it-- Jagat jit singh ( talk) 11:04, 23 December 2017 (UTC)
1) I accept that some people of udayar caste are following Christianity. But when compare to Hindus udayar not even comes to 1%. The reference what you have given is not worked based on caste or orgin. It deals with only south Indian Christianity people.
2) Socially Humbler than Vellar - Vellar is the group of people how doing agriculture. But udayar caste are belongs to Velir group. For reference please read Dennis B. McGilvray work on caste system in south India. One more all udayars are under obc category. Earlier it was in General category later changed to obc category after Dravidian movement has became ruling party in Tamil Nadu. But most of the vellar cast are in mbc category earlier they where in BC later moved to MBC. If the caste is humbler than vellar then how this this is possible.
3) Malayaman Udayar are belongs to Malayaman Dynasty. There are lot of inscription which has return on sangam period found in Tamil Nadu and also found in Literature. Please refer the following artical - http://www.whatisindia.com/inscriptions/south_indian_inscriptions/volume_26/introduction_1.html We request you to don't revert the page. If you have any concern replay to this mail. Will make it clear. -> Archescientist — Preceding unsigned comment added by Archescientist ( talk • contribs) 12:33, 23 December 2017 (UTC)
Hi sitush, We are looking forward your view on above points rather your discrimination. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Archescientist ( talk • contribs) 12:47, 23 December 2017 (UTC)
Hello Sitush The articles Thakur Yugal Kishore Sinha looks like the content uploader 'Prabhatmishra1985' (who has been blocked earlier) is running a propagandist agenda and presenting mostly hoax and over exaggerated facts in disguise of some real facts.He has inserted the names of son and grandson of Thakur Yugal Kishore Sinha & Ram Dulari Sinha in many places including the top slot of the wiki page political families of Bihar. How can a couple's children who have never ever been a legislator,parliamentarian or held any constitutional office or had any political relevance be forcefully presented as 'important political personalities of Bihar'? Is it a place to promote or falsely portray individuals?
Secondly, In the page political families of Bihar,there are seasoned families whose several generations of leaders have held highest constitutional offices in India/bihar and there are families producing several ministers and Chief Ministers;how come the couple of Thakur Yugal Kishore Sinha & Ram Dulari Sinha be considered a 'political dynasty or family of Bihar' when after the couple none of their children or grand child ever won any election in state or held any important constitutional office or in short never got the people's mandate.
Also, the user 'Prabhatmishra1985' has strangely added the couple in the FIRST place of the national 'List of Rajputs'- 'Politicians of India'. He has removed much much important historic,political and constitutional personalities of India belonging to Rajput Caste and inserted Thakur Yugal Kishore Sinha at the TOP of list who was only a one time MP and .If his his wife Ram Dulari Sinha (Who may be included as she held post of a Governor) is included then why not other Rajputs who have held the office of Governor of several states and some who became Governors & CMs many times?. There are hundreds of prominent Rajputs who have been MPs and members of first Lok Sabha of India and there are some who even have been CMs, Governors and central ministers,then how come only Thakur Yugal Kishore Sinha who doesn't qualify to be placed at the 'Top' is allowed there?Kindly ensure only content backed by realistic sources and genuine importance are uploaded.
Hello Sitush.
I have no recollection at all how I started working on Bengal famine of 1943. I grew up in suburban US in a rural state, and all of my relatives are very rural 'Muricans. I don't give a flying hoot about the Raj. If anything at all... I can come clean and confess to being obsessively perfectionist (in many but not all cases; sometimes I DGAF, esp. for pop culture crap) about Wikipedia. I probably have lost friends because of it, in fact.
I spent a year rewriting Bengal famine of 1943 because it was massively POV horse manure. I made a half-completed list of all the POV aspects, and even half done, it was distressing. Huge aspects never even mentioned, etc. That list is given on the MilHist try I think.
I acknowledge that I perceive Fowler&Fowler to be an admitted pro-British POV editor because of this comment: "This is in part because BFo1943 is only obliquely military history. In fact to cast it as military history is to buy into a POV out there that exceptional war time conditions allowed the famine to fly under the radar of British responsibility."
F&F has already asserted that he thinks I worked in userspace to protect a POV.
Are there any very experienced and very neutral editors who can help satisfy F&F's demands that the article must be checked?
Having said all that, I have to confess: I very clearly believe (and invite you to consider the possibility) that there are exactly three forums in the whole of Wikipedia that even come close to being equipped to handle this article. Those three forums are WP:FAC, WP:FAC, and WP:FAC. GA? Please. PR? Well, yeah, in theory, but in practice it is undermanned. It is designed to be of lesser quality than FAC. MILHIST? Same as PR, plus A- level reviewers are all at FAC already anyhow... In FAC people have to stow away their POV, and the best reviewers in Wikipedia congregate at FAC. I would be quite content for the article to sit three or four months in FAC, if that's what it takes...
Sigh. I give up; I forgot that you already said at Bish's page that you don't have a good view of the article. Cheers; I'll go bang my head against a wall at WT:FAC. Lingzhi ♦ [[User talk:Lingzhi|(t
please understand or research before deleting a content in a page like this which provide information about community as these details not found on internet they don't prove these details are false. some content can't are need to be present in Wikipedia for there novelty. these contents are verifiable in "Nattukottai Nagarathar Seerthirutham" a book by Pandithamani Kathiresan.
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I believe you were once interviewed by an editor belonging to The Times of India. As such do you know of any business journalist based in UK/India who can be persuaded to run a story on the growth of private universities in Indian states and their quality standards when judged from an international stage? If you want specific examples take a look at my post at Talk:Annals of Mathematics#Content, where I asked David Eppstein to write a new blog post on his blog. Apparently it took 60 years, under the banner of a brand new private university set up under a central legislation, for a paper from West Bengal to appear in the top math journal. I don't think RKMVU is the only private university which have successfully managed to "defeat" older public universities. Tachs recently completed his project of creating biographical articles on the SSB prize winners and I know of at least two SSB laureates (biologist MadhavDGadgil and mathematician Rkarandikar) who have edited Wikipedia and are presumably aware of the modus operandi of Indian private universities to attract top faculties (and students).
The specific institution I have in mind for running a story is the Techno India University setup in 2012 with an endowment of 10,000 crore but whose owners Satyam Roy Chowdhury and Goutam Roy Chowdhury, neither of them feature at the Forbes list of Indian billionaires. Solomon 7968 07:42, 19 December 2017 (UTC)
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Best wishes, Voceditenore ( talk) 07:42, 22 December 2017 (UTC)
No pictures and all; just wishing you and your loved ones a Merry Christmas and a pleasant 2018:) Winged Blades Godric 15:52, 25 December 2017 (UTC)
why you are creating edit war by removing Sikh from Bhagat singh early life and creating a false attitude that it is not mention in a source given along with it-- Jagat jit singh ( talk) 13:15, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
if you are talking that sikh creates a misleading in bhagat singh so why you don't remove jat which is not mentioned in a source given along with it. i have asked this question two times and you have not replied it. if you don't have the answer so please stay away. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jagat jit singh ( talk • contribs) 13:19, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
taking complaints to someone else would not resolve the problem until you have not red the source. and i have asked certain questions you have still not replied-- Jagat jit singh ( talk) 14:18, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
I’ve nominated Burton Speiser for deletion again. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Burton Speiser (2nd nomination). Billhpike ( talk) 19:24, 28 December 2017 (UTC)
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I recently sent you an invitation to join NPP, but you also might be the right candidate for another related project,
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thanks
KingG1001 ( talk) 14:02, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
sent a detailed representation on your edits to the page on email info-en-q@wikimedia.org. kindly let them take the call.
thanks and regards, s jain — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sanskritijain ( talk • contribs) 09:17, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
Dear Sitush, you have reverted my change to title picture in article Bhil. You have reverted it back to Children in risen district with caption- 'Bhil children in Raisen. The authenticity you say is the picture "APPEARS GENUINE". I ask, who are you to judge the appearance of bhil people. Where are your reliable source. Can you produce caste certificates and aadhar cards of these children to validate the information. Also in case these children are belonging to this ethnic group the picture don't belong to the information/title picture but somewhere down the article. The next point you give "we don't do Famous people"-contrary to this open Wikipedia page of any community, particularly ethnic groups in america like Irish Americans, Indian Americans you will only find 'famous people' whose identity of belonging to a particularly community is beyond any doubt and just does not "appear" as you say. One example of ethnic community where picture of school children indeed appear is in Native Hawaiians. But this said picture comes with all the credible information like photographer, details of picture and dates and unlike picture in question the said picture is well-cataloged historical document. On the other hand the picture I added is well known historical document and its validity as you call reliable source is evident in the wikipedia page of erstwhile Udaipur State. Also my previous edit's reliable source can be found on wikipedia page of Battle_of_Haldighati but leave this apart I will edit it with book citations later on. As far as your relaible source for my historical depiction of Bhil Warrior in attire is concerned here is link to the official page of custodians of erstwhile Mewar/Udaipur state http://www.eternalmewar.in/asm/coat-of-arms.html . Further another historical picture depicting Bhil warrior in his attire and role can be seen on Wikipedia page of Mayo College Ajmer's coat of arms. I wish you will restore the authentic changes I have made. Your reliable source for Mayo College coat of Arms is https://www.mayocollege.com/CoatOfArms.html
I'm surprise that you deleted large part of it claiming that it is original research, when it clearly said Telugu speaking. On what basis do you claim it is original research, and is your assertion in itself an original research, unsupported by sources? Hzh ( talk) 17:12, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
dear sitush,
you seem to have ignored the vast number of awadhiyas who are jains and who are not in any way connected to bihar.
http://mpsbb.info/MP_Plant_Biodiversity/Resume.pdf
https://in.linkedin.com/in/iitkian
this person is awadhiya and is a jain. he is from madhya pradesh. he belongs to general category.
there are many ias ips ifs officers in your country who are jains and use surname awadhiya.
awadhiya actually means "who belongs to awadh". just like surname "pilania" refers to 'who hails from pilani'. or jhunjhunwala refers to 'who belongs to jhunjhunu'.
awadhiya is not a caste. and majority of awadhiyas are jains who are neither connected to bihar, nor do belong to reservation category. they are very successful and powerful people in contemporary times.
i hope that this helps.
thanks and regards, the awadhiya jain samaj — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jainawadhiyasamaj ( talk • contribs) 06:04, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
Wish you a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year Jonathansammy ( talk) 17:40, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
Hello Sitush -
I am relatively new at Wikipedia and really appreciate your edits and comments on
Udaipur State and
Bhil people. I learnt a thing or two (and more) by reviewing your edits. I do have the following questions that I hope you can help with:
1) You stated Raj sources are deemed unreliable and referenced a discussion page. However, I could not find the particular discussion on that page (again, I don't have much experience navigating Wikipedia pages and am probably missing it). I would like to better understand if all Raj sources are to be wholesale avoided or if some objective information unlikely to be unreliable (e.g., number or name of zillas) can be used. Can you help me find the discussion?
2) I understand that
Bhil people had many Raj sources and I used a non-consensus style. However, my edits did contain some pieces of information that neither contained a rp style nor referenced a Raj source (but were referenced to a non-Raj source). I would like to revert at least those edits, but did not want to do so without consulting you. I have a genuine interest in increasing available information on neglected topics like
Bhil people but would like to do so in a respectful and consensual way. Please let me know if you would contest my partial reversions (only of those items which do not violate the parameters you commented).
I have one item of discussion on
Udaipur State that is better suited for the discussions page than here, so I will write it there. Thank you.
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Thank you for addressing the Khonds/Dongria Khond issue. Have you any objection if I retarget the Dongria Kondh redirect from Khonds to Dangaria Kandha, and say in that article that they are a subgroup of Khonds? That will make the position clearer and my proposed merge can be dropped. There is plenty of coverage now about the Dongrias because of a local mining dispute that has attracted wider attention : Noyster (talk), 13:57, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
the illathu nair is a subcaste of nair and it should need its own page . since all the other subcaste of nair have their own page . more over the information provided is well sourced and true — Preceding unsigned comment added by Akshaypillai ( talk • contribs) 15:42, 1 January 2018 (UTC)
Do you think this is much-reliable? The writing style coupled with the puffery do instill some doubt in me. Winged Blades Godric 13:31, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
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Hi,
Thanks for your message. I agree it should be used with caution, and if theres any ambiguity or I don't have an independent source to support the index entry, I leave the DOB out.
In Burdell's case, we know his place of birth and what age he was when he died, and there is only one "Robert Burdell" in the entire index, which appears to be complete up until the 1960s/70s, so I don't think I am making any assumptions here. I don't doubt there may be errors, but I've been on here long enough to notice that most so-called reliable sources are far from perfect.
I did a search after you reverted to see if there had been any previous discussions on using this a source, but all I could find were concerns about using them in BLPs. Should we really be holdings articles like this to the same standard? J Mo 101 ( talk) 07:46, 9 August 2017 (UTC)
I'm not really here right now, but I noticed thisSpooky! Thanks, Boing. I've experienced a lot of the situations you mention and one or two others also (eg: the child of one relative died in infancy and the next male child born to the couple was given a name identical to the one who had died). - Sitush ( talk) 11:43, 10 August 2017 (UTC)
FreeBMD is not a primary source, it is a transcription of an index. Regards DynamoDegsy ( talk) 11:58, 10 August 2017 (UTC)
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For your constant monitoring of activity on Kamma (caste) and many other pages Altruism T a l k - Contris. 16:21, 11 August 2017 (UTC) |
Hi, do you have any opinion on the content at Gautam (given name). Much of it looks like the usual caste shlock but still... – Uanfala 23:13, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
Nice work on this article.
I was wondering if you know whether the British Army was stationed there well before the 1922 uprising. I discovered British actress Mary Hignett was born in Madras in 1916. Her father, Horace Arthur Du Cane Hignett, was a Captain in the British Army. - NewTestLeper79 talk 12:33, 6 August 2017 (UTC)
Do you have any idea about whether References 10 to 18 are suitable as things currently stand at Dhananjoy Chatterjee.You may also wish to comment about this revision of mine executed in a set of edits.Cheers:) Winged Blades Godric 09:35, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
Balija dynasty sources are baseless and not even accepted by Indian government records. Kaifiats are not bases to make a theory. Millikat ( talk) 13:58, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
Irshick cited Kaifiat as a source which is not accepted anywer. There r many Kaifiats written by fake people. Government of India dismissed kaifiats as sources. How can it be encyclopedic Millikat ( talk) 14:02, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
Hi, i'm drafting an article here on Singikulam village in Tamil Nadu. I'm finding it difficult to disambiguate 'Singikulam', 'Singikulam (New)' and 'Singikulam (old) however. The village appears to have originally been 'Singikulam' then the population sprawled/migrated and bifurcated. Got any idea how i can find a source for the bifurcation? I have thought about getting a broad idea of when it happened from censuses pre-2001 but i don't know how to access those. Any ideas or help would be appreciated. Thanks Cesdeva ( talk) 14:46, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
Nayaks were kings belonging to 14th century. Eugene defined caste of Nayaks in 20th century. There are no caste system during Nayaks rule. Eugene defined caste of Nayaks out of imagination. Eugene quoted kelsals ballary district manual as source. Kelsals manual doesn't give clarity about nayaks caste. That is y Indian government records doesn't accept these theories. This must not be encyclopedic. Nayaks doesn't anywer mentioned their caste on their own nor any contemporary sources. Useless baseless source eugene Millikat ( talk) 09:06, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
Hi, I see that you've had recent dealings with Animech.79. Please cast an eye towards Mushika Kingdom when you get a moment. Thanks.— Cpt.a.haddock ( talk) (please ping when replying) 14:28, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
File:A._Atkinson_-_Castleford.jpg is used at Arthur Atkinson (rugby league) under the terms of our NFCC. It's a nice, clear, colourful image but it is cartoon-ish. There are black-and-white head-and-shoulder photos of him in contemporary newspapers which are nothing like as good in quality but do have the benefit of actually being the man rather than an artist's impression that borders on caricature. The newspapers are from the 1930s, so ultimately NFCC would apply to them also.
The problem I face in trying to get a discussion going about this is two-fold. Firstly, I'd need to upload one of the photos to demonstrate the point and that would presumably fall foul of some policy because we already have one available for him. Secondly, if I upload the photo then I might be in breach of UK copyright law, even though if someone in the US did so there would not be a problem.
Thoughts? - Sitush ( talk) 13:21, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
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Hello there. I seem to recall you being quie au fait with a few procedures here. Specifically with RFC could I ask the best route to go, I know you have given me advice on the binary side, but would it be best as a
Having never done it before I would want to bring a swift, and rounded result, as I've committed to setting something up, but that doesn't good enough for everyone. Just looking for a little assistance to bring a proper resolution to the flags question. Warm regards. Fleets ( talk) 20:30, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
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Sitush In the article Kamma in glossary of castes. It is mentioned that Kamma A dominant peasant caste in coastal Andhra I am not finding forward caste statement. https://www.odi.org/sites/odi.org.uk/files/odi-assets/publications-opinion-files/2692.pdf Also in vellalar article many sources state velir only but these have used to add content to the article. is that correct. can you clarify. By clicking the pages I am not seeing anything..Thats what I mean. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sangitha rani111 ( talk • contribs) 16:49, 20 August 2017 (UTC)
So in the vellalar article.
1. There is a sentence "Some of them had marital relations; Ilamcetcenni, the king known for his fleet of warships, married a Velir princess, and his son Karikala Chola also married a Velir princess from Nangur". It refers to velir not vellalar. I think many of the books in this article are actually refering to velir and should be included in velir not in vellalar. Sorry is that clear.. I could be confusing sometimes. The article is trying to mix the two together.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sangitha rani111 ( talk • contribs) 19:30, 20 August 2017 (UTC)
Editing warring in this page, also addition of WP:rs sources, I think you will be able to do better job Shrikanthv ( talk) 10:01, 25 August 2017 (UTC)
Hi Sitush, please take a look at the page titled " Karnataka (Nepal)". The contribution history of the creater of the page is reminding me of Admirenepal sockfarm. Thanks — Ind akash ( talk) 09:17, 28 August 2017 (UTC)
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Hi, This is WikiCone!. Hope you are well. You recently removed my edits from Kumar Vishwas while there was nothing like you wrote in description that it was a fan made stuff. As i checked you are reverting all edits on this page and the page has been still same since a long time. Feel free if you think that you did any mistake, i will manage the page. Mr Sitush, i hope you will not act like it again. Thanks. WikiCone! ( talk) 21:18 12 September 2017 (UTC)
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Thanks for your note. I understand the rationale behind the revert and it's OK to have it removed, however, I've never intended to push any POV in this or any other contributions of mine. I have cited sources wherever possible to ensure that the statements are credible. Genetics based studies if not accepted in a caste-based article, it is fine, but Brahmins have that genetic variation (recorded in various genetic studies, which are facts) from the rest of the communities whether or not you or anyone else accepts it, in general. Your recent edit commentaries seemed to align with the perspectives of those people who try and portray Brahmins to be divisive and make them the scapegoat.
So that you've some perspective, let me tell you that the Brahmins by and large were and still are in pursuit of knowledge, that made them relatively more intelligent, thereby stemming jealousy among others. Brahmins never tried to be divisive / racist to anyone if someone had the calibre! Brahmins had a few ethics which they upheld and did a few things differently, including keeping them separate from others, but that itself can't be generalised, as had that been the case, Ved Vyas who was born to a fisher woman wouldn't have been allowed to edit 4 Vedas and write Mahabharata, Valmiki couldn't have composed Ramayan, India wouldn't have had Bhakti and non-bhakti saints etc., and Ram, Buddha, Valmiki, Vashisht, Mahavir, Vivekananda wouldn't have been treasured/considered great by others and Brahmins alike.
You may be aware of the examples, such as the Pundits (Brahmins) of Cashmere been killed and removed from their original homes from their homeland, and Brahmins been forced out of Goa during Portuguese reign because they didn't convert to Christianity etc. So, many of us have been resilient and that's why we have been relatively more successful, although the Quota system as per the Government of India regulations makes it hard for a Brahmin to reach at top-tier jobs. So, I wasn't racist, I just stated a few facts!
Quibitos ( talk) 18:54, 17 September 2017 (UTC)
It's his official title His Holiness 954482ab ( talk) 13:58, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
See here. - Sitush ( talk) 15:14, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
Maybe I should create List of council waste recycling points in Aberdeen? Or List of dole offices in Wigan? - Sitush ( talk) 15:49, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
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Good job cleaning up A. V. Thomas. It is great to see that there are people who take the time to do this essential work. RileyBugz 会話 投稿記録 20:41, 23 September 2017 (UTC) |
What is your problem man???? Mallampalli Somasekhara Sharma is the only world class telugu historian. I submitted the sources of him.. U r using his sources for other castes like balijas etc.. Check balijas caste wikipedia page.. Whats wrong with you? Musunuri Nayaks are only independent kings of South India and appointed several vassals including reddies of kondaveedu..... This is quoted by Sharma in his works.....If any injustice is done to Musunuri Nayaks i'm not going to spare it.... We even approach any legal cells to report this Felkope ( talk) 09:50, 30 September 2017 (UTC)
I researched a few of the user's contributions and found these articles had similar, or more blatant, issues compared to the ones you recently nominated: Carla Losey, Julie Weflen, Linne Dominelli, Marlene Abigosis, and Vernon Jones. I was very conservative measuring notability and probably could have included a few more. Although I am certain these articles should be nominated for deletion, I have not pulled the trigger yet because they are all from the same editor; I don't want him to think I am here to run him off the project. TheGracefulSlick ( talk) 00:59, 25 September 2017 (UTC)
You think that's — the above — is a legal threat? Try reading this lot. I suppose it's not really funny, but I was kind of cheered by visions of you being dragged to the courts of Delhi and of press releases stating the caste you belong to. That'll teach you to assume good faith. Bishonen | talk 20:23, 2 October 2017 (UTC).
This thing will be brought up in front of the Management of Wikipedia, well, they might be on to something there because it is no secret that Jimbo dislikes me and seemingly pretty much any other Wikipedia contributor from Manchester. - Sitush ( talk) 20:32, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
Hello, I have deprodded Bamraulia because it has been prodded in the past. I only did this for procedural reasons; if you still wish to pursue deletion please feel free to open an AFD. Cheers, — KuyaBriBri Talk 01:27, 4 October 2017 (UTC)
Rashakhalifa added a shorter version of Hani Sarie-Eldin's cv as early as 2013. I've given them a discretionary sanctions alert for blps, plus a specific warning. Is my patience getting shorter? Bishonen | talk 18:06, 4 October 2017 (UTC).
Ha, as well as our paid work for Indian princes, I've also now blagged a job with the CIA (along with User:Materialscientist and User:Yamla). Boing! said Zebedee ( talk) 21:05, 7 October 2017 (UTC)
Hello. Why have you changed dates on this article to YMD when you yourself have acknowledged DMY dates at the top of the article? The ref for WP:RETAIN seems to indicate leaving the dates as the norm for UK articles. Regards. The joy of all things ( talk) 10:26, 10 October 2017 (UTC)
It's good to see you leave the subcontinent for a while to improve Manchester articles. I may even continue with something I started but need to visit the library. J3Mrs ( talk) 10:31, 11 October 2017 (UTC)
Do you speak it? If yes, can you take a look here and see what they are on about? They posted what appeared to be a bio (google translate was semi-useful) and some personal details at the village pump. I don't know if they are making a complaint or trying to promote something etc. Or it could be a hindi bot for all I know. Only in death does duty end ( talk) 10:56, 11 October 2017 (UTC)
Hey, I have seen you putting in time and efforts to clear Raj era sources again and again. I appreciate the effort. But wouldn't it be little less cumbersome to get those sources added to the Blacklist or something and let some bots do this job for you? -- Pankaj Jain Capankajsmilyo ( talk · contribs · count) 13:45, 11 October 2017 (UTC)
I visit page on CKPs https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chandraseniya_Kayastha_Prabhu quite often I saw that some surnames were removed. Why so? SP2705 ( talk) 13:20, 12 October 2017 (UTC)
I have responded to your comment at my talk page. I had to archive the whole thread as TheGracefulslick could not miss the opportunity to start up something. Anyway I have no issue with you as long as we both can agree to what I wrote. I will do a great effort to expand on my reasoning for the benefit of you, absolutely. And you will try to stance from POV pushing. Have a great evening.-- BabbaQ ( talk) 18:19, 12 October 2017 (UTC)
Wikipedia:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/The_World_Contest - yet more crap incoming, and some will get "paid" for it. I've recently edited a couple of articles that I think may have had origins in the last contest and, well, they were very poor, as also happened with the Dalit History Month collaboration - dubious notability, seriously misrepresenting sources etc. We're past the growth phase now and really should be insisting on quality. - Sitush ( talk) 12:57, 12 October 2017 (UTC)
On the other hand, this says it all when it comes to the WMF and grants etc. - Sitush ( talk) 23:25, 12 October 2017 (UTC)
Dear Sitush,
You said "I doubt that the Illustrated Weekly of India was a reliable source - can we not find something better?" on https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Chandraseniya_Kayastha_Prabhu&action=history
Very surprised that a wiki admin should make such a comment
I strongly disagree that a respected secondary source news-magazine that was around for more than a 100 years (until 1993?) and had prominent journalists editing it should be arbitrarily classified as 'not good' by a Wikipedia admin in a comment. We allow worse sources elsewhere on Wikipedia. Primary source(Shri Shankaracharya's letter itself) does exist but is from Raj era - so we cannot use it as per Wikipedia rules( I am talking about "Ethnographical notes on Chandraseniya Kayastha Prabhu" ). And we are not using this Raj era source. But at least it does validate the secondary source.
This so called CKP community is extremely tiny (numerically) and hence it is difficult to find a lot of literature on it. We are facing similar issues with Pathare prabhus and even our fellow Karhade Brahmins. We should not dismiss a perfectly valid secondary sources like 'the weekly' imho.
I would like to add this reference back - but as you say I will try to search for another secondary source. But in any case this 1970s source is quite informative and well written in itself and should not be removed IMHO.
Acharya63 ( talk) 04:44, 13 October 2017 (UTC)
keegan hi Sitush. I see you are replacing an old photo, why is that? I have looked at the photo situation before and there is no problem at all with the photo you are removing, what problem do you see with that photo? Govindaharihari ( talk) 14:49, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
Hi Sitush I left a message for you on Talk:Vellalar. Xenani ( talk) 15:25, 16 October 2017 (UTC)
Sitush, I am not understanding your deletions. Please explain.
1. You deleted a table from https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Chandraseniya_Kayastha_Prabhu&oldid=805875832 calling it trivia. But exactly similar 'trivia' (in fact older) had existed on the Deshastha Brahmin page that you have been editing for years. https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Deshastha_Brahmin&oldid=412765800
2. You deleted the opinion of Shri Shankaracharya (the highest authority on hinduism) by giving a reason that you do not care about some religious leader in the 1800s. But the source is not british-era. The other day you asked to find a better source for that SAME information and did not delete it. So it seems you did care about Shri Shankaracharya at that time. So what changed? So should I look for a better source for his opinion?
Are not ALL caste articles based based on opinions of religious people before the 20th centuries? Were castes formed in the 20th century? We are using non-british era sources.
3. Also, you deleted Jonathansammy's and my hard work about the satyagraha (on the same page). https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Chandraseniya_Kayastha_Prabhu&oldid=805875832
But you have allowed similar information (about Ambedkar) to remain on https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Deshastha_Brahmin&oldid=412765800
You seem to follow different "rules" in your deletes for different pages.
Acharya63 (
talk) 06:36, 18 October 2017 (UTC)
Enjoy your break, Sitush. You deserve it!
Kautilya3 (
talk) 18:03, 18 October 2017 (UTC)
Since I seem to have a few people watching at the moment, can someone please take a look at the goings-on at Madhwa Brahmins and its talk page. - Sitush ( talk) 12:38, 11 October 2017 (UTC)
Hi Sitush, why so can i know the reason Madhwa Brahmin page.I think i did not mislead any information i'm writing neutrally according to wiki standards. Motospiff ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 03:05, 20 October 2017 (UTC)
Hi, Sitush,
As my go-to-guy in any cast-related-topic, can you kindly verify the correctness of this ?Regards:) Winged Blades of Godric On leave 10:06, 19 October 2017 (UTC)
May I know why so much bias against article. You seem to be ignoring every valid source violating Wikipedia neutral policy. Meenapandit — Preceding unsigned comment added by Meenapandit ( talk • contribs) 05:17, 19 October 2017 (UTC)
Hmmmm I wonder how People of india, Anthrapological survey of India 2003 can be Raj Era. Care to explain? In relation to chib. And also please explain what you consider reliable book on casts and communities.
stop edit warring andf then dropin edit war templates on other users talkpages, its embarrasing. Govindaharihari ( talk) 06:52, 20 October 2017 (UTC)
Hi. I made some edits on the article of Janjua but you reverted it. I have a good reference for this, the famous and most popular newspaper of Pakistan which is Express news.The evidence is that https://www.express.pk/story/111494/ Newblog 32 ( talk) 01:38, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
Hi. I noticed that you have some history with
Rajbanshi. A few days after your last edit, it was cut-paste-merged into
Koch Rajbongshi people which was itself moved from
Rajbongshi. Now there's some weird double-barrelled business going on that looks suspect.
Britannica names them Koch, also called Rajbanshi …
Any idea what's going on here? Cheers.—
Cpt.a.haddock (
talk) (please ping when replying) 13:46, 20 October 2017 (UTC)
‘Koch’ is the name of a community and ‘Rajbongshi’ means ancestors of a royal family, hence ‘Koch-Rajbongshi’ cannot be a name of an ethnic group. So I suspect that the people are the Koch and Rajbanshi is an affectation to remind people of their Koch dynasty heritage. Or some nonsense like that. Ethnologue's search box suggests that Koch Rajbanshi is also an alternate name for Rangpuri. Chaipau, do you know anything about all this?— Cpt.a.haddock ( talk) (please ping when replying) 17:42, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
Hi, you recently edited the page Seymour Remenick, and took out some bio information. Reason was you don't know this is the same person. May I ask, which parts do you mean? The part from the Schwarz gallery seems to be pretty clear it's Seymour Remenick. Can you put the part citing the Schwarz gallery back in? Thanks Socialresearch ( talk) 21:55, 18 October 2017 (UTC)
Dear Sitush, Someone had used the word 'nigger' on the wikipedia page for Deshastha Brahmins to refer to Brahmins. Needless to say this is very racist and extremely offensive to Brahmins from Maharashtra. I understand it was a quote by some colonial era European and not a personal quote by a wiki editor. But in my opinion such racist language should be avoided on wikipedia. Hence I removed it. Do wiki admins run a search tool on all the wiki content for vulgar/racist words. What is the wikipedia policy on such issues? Thank you. Acharya63 ( talk) 03:15, 22 October 2017 (UTC) (Had forgotten to sign this earlier. Thanks to Joshua Jonathan for resolving this and removing this derogatory word from the Deshastha Brahmin page) Acharya63 ( talk) 03:15, 22 October 2017 (UTC)
To show no hard feelings about a certain other image, and indeed appreciation of your work, I cropped, uploaded and put this image on the article that you wrote, thinking it would be more to the point than a kitten image as you have above. But then, of course I realized that you had found the obituary, so could have probably done so yourself.... so if there is a reason you intentionally didn't, please say so, and accept my apologies instead. (Maybe a kitten would have been better after all!) -- GRuban ( talk) 14:40, 22 October 2017 (UTC)
Please lock Satya Nadella and Sundar Pichai pages Sitush, many people are coming and deleting references and related content. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zingzing1 ( talk • contribs) 15:35, 23 October 2017 (UTC)
Hi Sitush, There is a lot of useless content in this page can you correct it.-- Zingzing1 ( talk) 8:01 AM, Tuesday, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
Don't understand why you are highlighting only negative and unpopular matters related to Kumar Vishwas. You are just deleting the good content and pasting the same material which maligns his image. I have given the references for each edits. Please go through this.
What concern was that? What image are you referring to now? - Sitush ( talk) 10:02, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
What about the countries visited by him? - Dipupandey80 ( talk) 11:11, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
The interest of the confirmed socks span multiple years for this deleted article. Other contribs may need analysis.
The following accounts are Possible to WikiCone! as they share the same IP and the first two created their accounts within less than 12 hours of each other:
After evaluation, it would be good for someone to get this into an SPI report to track for future purposes. It also allows a place to report others that you may feel are related or we may tie this to another master eventually. We can worry about tags later. Don't be shy about asking some of the other admins for help sorting this out, Sitush. More eyes may mean that more socks are found.
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Berean Hunter
(talk) 13:33, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
So, we file it under the existing Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Shivamevolution? Guys, I'm sorry, I did say I'd do it, but I meant a regular simple SPI. I can't handle all the branching-out stuff above, I'm out. Pinging @ Utcursch and Titodutta: for you, to see if they can add further likelihoods and complexities. Bishonen | talk 20:39, 21 October 2017 (UTC).
I'll file the SPI in the next few hours. Meanwhile, there's someone you know from when you were buying a flat who is also likely indulging in behavior similar to what's noted above. I've left a note asking for an explanation on one account and a COI warning on the other, maybe Bearian Hunter might see things differently from how I'm seeing them on this new issue? — Spaceman Spiff 03:54, 22 October 2017 (UTC)
it's more likely a paid editing ring with Shivamroy controlling the rest.And, in all probabilities, apart from technical evidences, ShivamRoy22 can be blocked for mass-scale undisclosed paid-editing.But, what surprised me the most is the excessive interest of the entire farm about Indian vice-presidential election, 2017! Winged Blades of Godric On leave 09:27, 23 October 2017 (UTC)
I have bitten the bullet and filed an outline case at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Shivamevolution - it needs work. Pinging SpacemanSpiff, Bishonen, Berean Hunter, Godric on Leave, RegentsPark. - Sitush ( talk) 12:07, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
Sitush, please can you advise me if the following is considered reliable or not? India's Communities A-Z: 3 Volume Set Series: People Of India Hardcover: 4206 pages Publisher: Oxford University Press (June 3, 1999) Language: English ISBN-10: 0195633547 ISBN-13: 978-0195633542 I do not think this is the state series. But not sure.
Or see this https://books.google.com/books?id=1lZuAAAAMAAJ
Are the above books reliable?
Acharya63 ( talk) 03:12, 25 October 2017 (UTC)
Hi Sitush,
I removed a text from anangpal tomar about caste of anangpal. You reverted this change and ask me to provide proper summary. Sitush, i already provided a proper summary there that there is no document or proofs about the caste of anangpal tomar. There is no news, article about anangpal tomar or anangpal tanwar. Even everyone knows that anangpal tomar was gurjar but rajput and jats also claim that he belongs to their community. But there is no proper proof for that. Only on the base of a book, you can not decide the history. Atleast there must be some other references also. Please revert back the changes. Thank You VIRAAT ( talk) 06:07, 25 October 2017 (UTC)
Hi Sitush - If / when you have a minute, could I please ask you to look at the recent edits to Karadiya Rajput - Given the editors name, I suspect PoV but some sources don't seem to support the previous version, so (s)he may be right. Thanks - Arjayay ( talk) 13:01, 25 October 2017 (UTC)
my laptop has got some flying cursor tech issue.Sorry if any spell mistakes remain due to this reason. AlSo Its taking me time to respond back. Rgds and thanks. Mahitgar ( talk) 06:58, 28 October 2017 (UTC)
Hello, I have just copy-paste your material from User:Sitush/Common to Wikipedia:Potentially unreliable sources via this edit. I don't know, whether I wrote it earlier, but I would like to mention again, should we consider building a Blacklist which can act as source for bots to make reverts? Thanks. -- Pankaj Jain Capankajsmilyo ( talk · contribs · count) 04:36, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
Hello, "Sitush". It's many years since you and I had any contact, as far as I remember, though occasionally I come across mentions of you, usually in the form of editors angrily denouncing you for bias in favour of the clan or caste that they presume you belong to, or just in favour of your native land of India. I always find that a little amusing.
I don't know whether you will be able help or not, but a problem has come up in connection with an India-related article, and in view of your experience in that area I thought you just might have something to suggest. The article is Prabir Ghosh. There has been a history of POV editing and edit warring on the article. I made this edit, where, as you can see from my edit summary, I removed content which had been disputed and for which there was no verifiable source. An editor has posted to my talk page about this, saying that there are reliable sources in newspaper reports, but they are old newspapers and not available online. The editor's message and my answer are at User talk:JamesBWatson#Prabir Ghosh. I get the impression that the editor is likely to be be right, but in view of the edit warring, the dispute over the content, and my edit summary in which I said that restoring the content without a verifiable source would be a BLP violation, I don't feel that I can just revert my removal.
In a way there is no reason why you should be more likely to have an answer than anyone else, since the problem of verification of old newspaper reports is not specific to India, but you may be able to help.
There is just one possible solution that I know of. The editor has offered to provide scanned copies of the newspaper reports, but I see two potential problems there: (1) I can't read Bengali, (2) posting copies of newspapers to Wikipedia would raise copyright issues. Point (2) could be dealt with by using email, but with the disadvantage that other readers could not verify the sources. Point (1) could be dealt with if there is a trustworthy editor who can read Bengali who could be consulted. You don't by any chance know of one, do you? Or have any suggestions as to how we could find one? Or any other ideas that might help? The editor who uses the pseudonym " JamesBWatson" ( talk) 09:26, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
Thanks to everyone for responding to this and other messages. I'm not very well at the moment. - Sitush ( talk) 12:48, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
Hey Sitush. This is letting you know that the William Beach Thomas article has been scheduled as today's featured article for December 12, 2017. Please check the article needs no amendments. If you're interested in editing the main page text, you're welcome to do so at Wikipedia:Today's featured article/December 12, 2017.-- Wehwalt ( talk) 09:35, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
I'm just looking at The Guardian's rolling news feed, and picturing 25 Wikipedians about to reenact something like this. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 16:01, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
ArbCom is in principle the right venue to deal with the Ref Desk issue. But that doesn't man that I don't have issues with the way ArbCom has gone about doing its business. But that's a very long story, it deals with issues that date back almost a decade, you can find some clues here. ArbCom should actually have the guts to mow down a walled garden, even if its' a very large one. Too often they have taken the mistaken but politically correct decision, to not do that. In some cases, the right decision may well be a very unpopular decision... Count Iblis ( talk) 21:22, 1 November 2017 (UTC)
I don't watch YouTube - can't hear anything on it and the captioning system is useless. - Sitush ( talk) 04:22, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
For example are the following source considered reliable? The latter two are from the Govt of India. Hence I am not sure if they are plagiarized from Raj sources.
1. Is The Castes, Tribes & Culture of India: Western Maharashtra & Gujarat Krishna Prakash Bahadur, Sukhdev Singh Chib Ess Ess Publications, 1977
2. Maharashtra, Land and Its People Front Cover Irawati Karmarkar Karve Directorate of Government Printing, Stationery and Publications, Maharashtra State, 1968 - Maharashtra (India) - 201 pages
3. Maharashtra, land and its people
Author: Tri Nā Vāḷuñjakara; A Śã Pāṭhaka; Maharashtra (India). Gazetteers Department. Publisher: Mumbai : Gazetteers Dept., Govt. of Maharashtra : Book available at, Govt. Book Depot, 2009. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Acharya63 ( talk • contribs) 08:06, 9 November 2017 (UTC)
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Hello, Sitush.
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Please keep an eye on this Lohana page, there has been recent vandalism of sourced content by user "Harsh54". He is claiming Lohahans are Kshatriya from Afghanistan/Iran and other absurd pseudo-history things without any source. Additionally, he has removed so much things. I have restored as much as possible. 61.3.102.6 ( talk) 16:57, 2 December 2017 (UTC)
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Godric 11:09, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
Thank you for William Beach Thomas, a "war correspondent of WWI who gained both fame and infamy for his efforts and was also prominent as a writer of articles and books concerning rural affairs and nature. He was imprisoned for his activities in the early part of the war and also much parodied in the Wipers Times trench newspaper. He was later knighted by both the British and the French."! -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 08:32, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
Hi, could you take a little look on this article, Sri Lankan Vellalar. Xenani ( talk) 13:32, 27 November 2017 (UTC) Birbal Jha is the article I have included all those links in reference to the edit. I wonder why you appear to be biased and averse to the article. I have no conflict of Interest but I fail to understand your logic behind cleaning up. I have closed watched and read the activities of Birbal Jha on media and I take interest in editing it. Should I refrain myself from editing the article or do the justice to the page. Kind regards
Darrenmong Darrenmong ( talk) 05:37, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
I have not added anything that seems to be faulty.the words landed aristocracy is more appropriate.You can see it in any history of kakatiyas, qutub shahis,asafjahis/nizams and even during rashtrakutas who were considered as military chiefs/vassals/tax collectors.Every peasant leader cannot be zamindar & dynasty rulers.Before reverting to your own data you should check atleast whether I have provided any misleading information then it seems to be neutral information Bsr465 ( talk) 13:03, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
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if you are removing sikh because it is misleading to say so why you don't remove "jat" its too misleading Bhagat singh never said he is jat-- Jagat jit singh ( talk) 10:14, 23 December 2017 (UTC)
if you are saying sikh is misleading to say then thus jat is right to say ? even the source given along with it " https://books.google.co.in/books?id=PC4C3KcgCv0C&redir_esc=y" clear that he was born in a sandhu sikh jat family my dear please first read it and i am not creating any edit war i am just correcting it-- Jagat jit singh ( talk) 11:04, 23 December 2017 (UTC)
1) I accept that some people of udayar caste are following Christianity. But when compare to Hindus udayar not even comes to 1%. The reference what you have given is not worked based on caste or orgin. It deals with only south Indian Christianity people.
2) Socially Humbler than Vellar - Vellar is the group of people how doing agriculture. But udayar caste are belongs to Velir group. For reference please read Dennis B. McGilvray work on caste system in south India. One more all udayars are under obc category. Earlier it was in General category later changed to obc category after Dravidian movement has became ruling party in Tamil Nadu. But most of the vellar cast are in mbc category earlier they where in BC later moved to MBC. If the caste is humbler than vellar then how this this is possible.
3) Malayaman Udayar are belongs to Malayaman Dynasty. There are lot of inscription which has return on sangam period found in Tamil Nadu and also found in Literature. Please refer the following artical - http://www.whatisindia.com/inscriptions/south_indian_inscriptions/volume_26/introduction_1.html We request you to don't revert the page. If you have any concern replay to this mail. Will make it clear. -> Archescientist — Preceding unsigned comment added by Archescientist ( talk • contribs) 12:33, 23 December 2017 (UTC)
Hi sitush, We are looking forward your view on above points rather your discrimination. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Archescientist ( talk • contribs) 12:47, 23 December 2017 (UTC)
Hello Sitush The articles Thakur Yugal Kishore Sinha looks like the content uploader 'Prabhatmishra1985' (who has been blocked earlier) is running a propagandist agenda and presenting mostly hoax and over exaggerated facts in disguise of some real facts.He has inserted the names of son and grandson of Thakur Yugal Kishore Sinha & Ram Dulari Sinha in many places including the top slot of the wiki page political families of Bihar. How can a couple's children who have never ever been a legislator,parliamentarian or held any constitutional office or had any political relevance be forcefully presented as 'important political personalities of Bihar'? Is it a place to promote or falsely portray individuals?
Secondly, In the page political families of Bihar,there are seasoned families whose several generations of leaders have held highest constitutional offices in India/bihar and there are families producing several ministers and Chief Ministers;how come the couple of Thakur Yugal Kishore Sinha & Ram Dulari Sinha be considered a 'political dynasty or family of Bihar' when after the couple none of their children or grand child ever won any election in state or held any important constitutional office or in short never got the people's mandate.
Also, the user 'Prabhatmishra1985' has strangely added the couple in the FIRST place of the national 'List of Rajputs'- 'Politicians of India'. He has removed much much important historic,political and constitutional personalities of India belonging to Rajput Caste and inserted Thakur Yugal Kishore Sinha at the TOP of list who was only a one time MP and .If his his wife Ram Dulari Sinha (Who may be included as she held post of a Governor) is included then why not other Rajputs who have held the office of Governor of several states and some who became Governors & CMs many times?. There are hundreds of prominent Rajputs who have been MPs and members of first Lok Sabha of India and there are some who even have been CMs, Governors and central ministers,then how come only Thakur Yugal Kishore Sinha who doesn't qualify to be placed at the 'Top' is allowed there?Kindly ensure only content backed by realistic sources and genuine importance are uploaded.
Hello Sitush.
I have no recollection at all how I started working on Bengal famine of 1943. I grew up in suburban US in a rural state, and all of my relatives are very rural 'Muricans. I don't give a flying hoot about the Raj. If anything at all... I can come clean and confess to being obsessively perfectionist (in many but not all cases; sometimes I DGAF, esp. for pop culture crap) about Wikipedia. I probably have lost friends because of it, in fact.
I spent a year rewriting Bengal famine of 1943 because it was massively POV horse manure. I made a half-completed list of all the POV aspects, and even half done, it was distressing. Huge aspects never even mentioned, etc. That list is given on the MilHist try I think.
I acknowledge that I perceive Fowler&Fowler to be an admitted pro-British POV editor because of this comment: "This is in part because BFo1943 is only obliquely military history. In fact to cast it as military history is to buy into a POV out there that exceptional war time conditions allowed the famine to fly under the radar of British responsibility."
F&F has already asserted that he thinks I worked in userspace to protect a POV.
Are there any very experienced and very neutral editors who can help satisfy F&F's demands that the article must be checked?
Having said all that, I have to confess: I very clearly believe (and invite you to consider the possibility) that there are exactly three forums in the whole of Wikipedia that even come close to being equipped to handle this article. Those three forums are WP:FAC, WP:FAC, and WP:FAC. GA? Please. PR? Well, yeah, in theory, but in practice it is undermanned. It is designed to be of lesser quality than FAC. MILHIST? Same as PR, plus A- level reviewers are all at FAC already anyhow... In FAC people have to stow away their POV, and the best reviewers in Wikipedia congregate at FAC. I would be quite content for the article to sit three or four months in FAC, if that's what it takes...
Sigh. I give up; I forgot that you already said at Bish's page that you don't have a good view of the article. Cheers; I'll go bang my head against a wall at WT:FAC. Lingzhi ♦ [[User talk:Lingzhi|(t
please understand or research before deleting a content in a page like this which provide information about community as these details not found on internet they don't prove these details are false. some content can't are need to be present in Wikipedia for there novelty. these contents are verifiable in "Nattukottai Nagarathar Seerthirutham" a book by Pandithamani Kathiresan.
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Wishing you and yours a Happy Holiday Season, from the horse and bishop person. May the year ahead be productive and troll-free and you not often get distracted by dice-playing. Ealdgyth - Talk 14:04, 17 December 2017 (UTC) |
I believe you were once interviewed by an editor belonging to The Times of India. As such do you know of any business journalist based in UK/India who can be persuaded to run a story on the growth of private universities in Indian states and their quality standards when judged from an international stage? If you want specific examples take a look at my post at Talk:Annals of Mathematics#Content, where I asked David Eppstein to write a new blog post on his blog. Apparently it took 60 years, under the banner of a brand new private university set up under a central legislation, for a paper from West Bengal to appear in the top math journal. I don't think RKMVU is the only private university which have successfully managed to "defeat" older public universities. Tachs recently completed his project of creating biographical articles on the SSB prize winners and I know of at least two SSB laureates (biologist MadhavDGadgil and mathematician Rkarandikar) who have edited Wikipedia and are presumably aware of the modus operandi of Indian private universities to attract top faculties (and students).
The specific institution I have in mind for running a story is the Techno India University setup in 2012 with an endowment of 10,000 crore but whose owners Satyam Roy Chowdhury and Goutam Roy Chowdhury, neither of them feature at the Forbes list of Indian billionaires. Solomon 7968 07:42, 19 December 2017 (UTC)
Hello Sitush: Enjoy the holiday season, and thanks for your work to maintain, improve and expand Wikipedia. Cheers, ― Buster7 ☎ 22:29, 20 December 2017 (UTC)
Merry Christmas from London, Sitush ...
and a New Year filled with peace and happiness!
Best wishes, Voceditenore ( talk) 07:42, 22 December 2017 (UTC)
No pictures and all; just wishing you and your loved ones a Merry Christmas and a pleasant 2018:) Winged Blades Godric 15:52, 25 December 2017 (UTC)
why you are creating edit war by removing Sikh from Bhagat singh early life and creating a false attitude that it is not mention in a source given along with it-- Jagat jit singh ( talk) 13:15, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
if you are talking that sikh creates a misleading in bhagat singh so why you don't remove jat which is not mentioned in a source given along with it. i have asked this question two times and you have not replied it. if you don't have the answer so please stay away. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jagat jit singh ( talk • contribs) 13:19, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
taking complaints to someone else would not resolve the problem until you have not red the source. and i have asked certain questions you have still not replied-- Jagat jit singh ( talk) 14:18, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
I’ve nominated Burton Speiser for deletion again. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Burton Speiser (2nd nomination). Billhpike ( talk) 19:24, 28 December 2017 (UTC)
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Hello, Sitush.
I recently sent you an invitation to join NPP, but you also might be the right candidate for another related project,
AfC, which is also extremely backlogged. |
thanks
KingG1001 ( talk) 14:02, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
sent a detailed representation on your edits to the page on email info-en-q@wikimedia.org. kindly let them take the call.
thanks and regards, s jain — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sanskritijain ( talk • contribs) 09:17, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
Dear Sitush, you have reverted my change to title picture in article Bhil. You have reverted it back to Children in risen district with caption- 'Bhil children in Raisen. The authenticity you say is the picture "APPEARS GENUINE". I ask, who are you to judge the appearance of bhil people. Where are your reliable source. Can you produce caste certificates and aadhar cards of these children to validate the information. Also in case these children are belonging to this ethnic group the picture don't belong to the information/title picture but somewhere down the article. The next point you give "we don't do Famous people"-contrary to this open Wikipedia page of any community, particularly ethnic groups in america like Irish Americans, Indian Americans you will only find 'famous people' whose identity of belonging to a particularly community is beyond any doubt and just does not "appear" as you say. One example of ethnic community where picture of school children indeed appear is in Native Hawaiians. But this said picture comes with all the credible information like photographer, details of picture and dates and unlike picture in question the said picture is well-cataloged historical document. On the other hand the picture I added is well known historical document and its validity as you call reliable source is evident in the wikipedia page of erstwhile Udaipur State. Also my previous edit's reliable source can be found on wikipedia page of Battle_of_Haldighati but leave this apart I will edit it with book citations later on. As far as your relaible source for my historical depiction of Bhil Warrior in attire is concerned here is link to the official page of custodians of erstwhile Mewar/Udaipur state http://www.eternalmewar.in/asm/coat-of-arms.html . Further another historical picture depicting Bhil warrior in his attire and role can be seen on Wikipedia page of Mayo College Ajmer's coat of arms. I wish you will restore the authentic changes I have made. Your reliable source for Mayo College coat of Arms is https://www.mayocollege.com/CoatOfArms.html
I'm surprise that you deleted large part of it claiming that it is original research, when it clearly said Telugu speaking. On what basis do you claim it is original research, and is your assertion in itself an original research, unsupported by sources? Hzh ( talk) 17:12, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
dear sitush,
you seem to have ignored the vast number of awadhiyas who are jains and who are not in any way connected to bihar.
http://mpsbb.info/MP_Plant_Biodiversity/Resume.pdf
https://in.linkedin.com/in/iitkian
this person is awadhiya and is a jain. he is from madhya pradesh. he belongs to general category.
there are many ias ips ifs officers in your country who are jains and use surname awadhiya.
awadhiya actually means "who belongs to awadh". just like surname "pilania" refers to 'who hails from pilani'. or jhunjhunwala refers to 'who belongs to jhunjhunu'.
awadhiya is not a caste. and majority of awadhiyas are jains who are neither connected to bihar, nor do belong to reservation category. they are very successful and powerful people in contemporary times.
i hope that this helps.
thanks and regards, the awadhiya jain samaj — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jainawadhiyasamaj ( talk • contribs) 06:04, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
Wish you a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year Jonathansammy ( talk) 17:40, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
Hello Sitush -
I am relatively new at Wikipedia and really appreciate your edits and comments on
Udaipur State and
Bhil people. I learnt a thing or two (and more) by reviewing your edits. I do have the following questions that I hope you can help with:
1) You stated Raj sources are deemed unreliable and referenced a discussion page. However, I could not find the particular discussion on that page (again, I don't have much experience navigating Wikipedia pages and am probably missing it). I would like to better understand if all Raj sources are to be wholesale avoided or if some objective information unlikely to be unreliable (e.g., number or name of zillas) can be used. Can you help me find the discussion?
2) I understand that
Bhil people had many Raj sources and I used a non-consensus style. However, my edits did contain some pieces of information that neither contained a rp style nor referenced a Raj source (but were referenced to a non-Raj source). I would like to revert at least those edits, but did not want to do so without consulting you. I have a genuine interest in increasing available information on neglected topics like
Bhil people but would like to do so in a respectful and consensual way. Please let me know if you would contest my partial reversions (only of those items which do not violate the parameters you commented).
I have one item of discussion on
Udaipur State that is better suited for the discussions page than here, so I will write it there. Thank you.
Deccantrap (
talk) —Preceding
undated comment added 16:12, 26 December 2017 (UTC)
Greetings,
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I appreciate your contributions regarding my topic ban as well as your thoughts on Arbitration Enforcement. -- MONGO 13:21, 10 January 2018 (UTC) |
You are invited to join the discussion at
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Barjati.
Winged Blades
Godric 10:41, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
Winged Blades Godric 06:48, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
Thank you for addressing the Khonds/Dongria Khond issue. Have you any objection if I retarget the Dongria Kondh redirect from Khonds to Dangaria Kandha, and say in that article that they are a subgroup of Khonds? That will make the position clearer and my proposed merge can be dropped. There is plenty of coverage now about the Dongrias because of a local mining dispute that has attracted wider attention : Noyster (talk), 13:57, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
the illathu nair is a subcaste of nair and it should need its own page . since all the other subcaste of nair have their own page . more over the information provided is well sourced and true — Preceding unsigned comment added by Akshaypillai ( talk • contribs) 15:42, 1 January 2018 (UTC)
Do you think this is much-reliable? The writing style coupled with the puffery do instill some doubt in me. Winged Blades Godric 13:31, 7 January 2018 (UTC)