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Stop tagging accounts as socks of anyone, please. That is not appropriate behaviour for someone trying to stay out of trouble, particularly when you get some of them wrong. Further, don't tag IP addresses. Risker ( talk) 15:40, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
It's not your job or my job or anyone else's job to fix all of Wikipedia. It's just too darn big. So don't feel compelled to address any but the most urgent or blatant violations. There's no doubt in my mind that there are many undetected socks on Wikipedia but that doesn't keep me from sleeping very well at night. If they're so good at behaving themselves that no one detects that's bad thing because ... ? It's been strongly suggested your stay out of the Wikipedia back alleys -- in other words try to stick to main article space. If you do run across suspicious activity / possible socking or start getting into a content dispute just add note to the bottom of your talk page and some ( talk page stalker) will take a look. If you end up at ANI again you're probably just done. I ain't gonna pretend it's right or fair but I know it just is. Nobody Ent 18:03, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
Wanted to let you know I left a response on Philippe's Talk page King4057 ( talk) 19:58, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
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Unfortunately, it seems that you are well past three reverts on Websense. While I'm a fan of BRD as well, BRD isn't an excuse to continue to revert, especially when the discussion part of the process is ongoing. 3RR is not about being right or wrong with your changes, so much as trying to make conflicts manageable.
I guess you'll need to make a choice on how to proceed, but I'm afraid it is enough of a problem that it will need to be raised on the 3RR noticeboard if you choose to continue along this path, and given the conditions of your unblock I can't see that ending well. - Bilby ( talk) 13:47, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
Hello, Mistress Selina Kyle. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Wikipedia:Wikiquette assistance regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Silver seren C 22:28, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
Hi Mistress! Response on my Talk page. King4057 ( talk) 00:13, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
I just want to be clear that I was not trying to hide views that I disagree with, I was collapsing a discussion that was seriously off-topic and dealt with individual editors' opinions about the subject rather than published sources or constructive criticism of the article as it is written. It's important to keep this talk page free of the drama that goes on in the real world happenings of CREWE and its supporters/detractors. Unless views are expressed in reliable sources or directly pertain to the article, we have no business discussing them on the article's talk page. That's just basic Wikipedia policy that the talk page is not a forum. I hope you better understand why I collapsed the conversation, and why I would do it again if it continues in that manner. Cheers, Ocaasi t | c 06:44, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
I saw you added a link in the header to WP:PSCOI. I worked on that guide extensively, and love to see it mentioned (in fact I added it to the See Also section of WP:COI today). That said, I don't know that it's appropriate to link to a guide which doesn't carry weight of policy or even a guideline at the top of a core policy. What do you think? Ocaasi t | c 07:15, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
What Ocaasi said above is really what I feel is the obvious bulls-eye. If PR people were pitching the media, they would call them, tell them who they were, pitch their story and either (a) offer content and hope they write it or (b) write a contributed article that is reviewed and published by a neutral reporter.
There are many issues involved, but that's really what it comes down to. Thanks for letting me hjijack your thread ;-) King4057 ( talk) 03:58, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
This is not good.
Selina, I am somewhat worried about some of your reverts. Can I kindly recommend you revert less, or even possibly consider limiting yourself to a voluntary 1RR? (In other words, sticking to only one revert at a time in a 24 hour period, unless you are reverting vandalism or a sock.) As I mentioned previously, users can still be blocked for edit-warring, even if they do not break 3RR. Don't worry about other users reverting you: ultimately, you will be better off if you stick to a single revert then be the one to get discussions going on talk pages. I'm about to go offline now, so I won't be able to reply until the morning. This is only a suggestion, but it is one I would definitely consider. Best. Acalamari 23:58, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
I want to thank you for being diligent on sock puppets, not because I'm involved with any of the pages that you did before, but because it's a good thing to do and I have seen socks in use and never known what to do about it until I read the template pages, to which I was lead by your tea and cookies on Elen of the Road's talk page!! It's that six-degrees-of-separation thing. In any case, when I first started at wiki, I made an account for a few edits, and then forgot I had the account. My bad on that one... when I came back I used anonymous IP for two edits, I don't know why, probably a mistake, and started my new account. What I did after reading about socks and templates was to go back and own up to those two "non-account uses." I'd never have known to do this without reading what you wrote, so thank you!! Ellin Beltz ( talk) 17:05, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
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Posting an editor's personal information on the Internet in retaliation for an on-wiki dispute is completely unacceptable. I have previously supported your unblock requests - twice, actually - but this kind of behavior will simply not be tolerated. 28bytes ( talk) 20:13, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
-- Mistress Selina Kyle ( Α⇔Ω ¦ ⇒✉) 20:19, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
I am a supporter of WP:PAIDWATCH which aims to monitor subversive PR operatives on Wikipedia, such as Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Websense,_Inc.. You can disagree with someone whilst remaining wp:CIVIL and I have done nothing but do so on wiki, he just seemed to want to stir things up constantly to get what he wanted, I knew he was trying to get me banned when he started that - the Corporate Representatives group on Facebook (that he goes around openly saying he is silver seren on) fairly malign as has been discussed on a Wikimedia Foundation official's talk page previously: User_talk:Philippe_(WMF)#Wikimania_Panel and as Jimbo has said, it's a serious problem that cannot be ignored: [22]
At Talk:Corporate_Representatives_for_Ethical_Wikipedia_Engagement#Credit_Where_Due anyone can see that I was replying to him as a member of the "Corporate Representatives for Ethical Wikipedia Engagement" group who was defending the PR advocacy editor... Silver Seren has been wp:wikistalking me [23] constantly after I stated my opposition to the Corporate Representatives group and this seems to be normal tactics of the group Silver Seren founded supporting corporate editing in retaliation to wp:PAIDWATCH to try harass dissenters, as I also had a similar issue happen 2 days before he made that WQA thread to try defame me since I added Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Websense,_Inc. to the PAIDWATCH wikiproject at 9:23 [24], "bob rayner" arrived at 9:58 [25] along with "Bilby" at 11:13 [26] to talk:Websense to defend the companies' paid PR sockpuppeting — both whom are not members of wp:PAIDWATCH, but apparently founding members (the 5th and 7th respectively) of Silver Seren's previously mentioned Wikiproject working with the Corporate Representatives PR group, which most of them including Seren - as stated on their site - are also supporters of
His very next edit after deleting Jimbo's reply to the group (speaking as the public representative for Wikipedia) that I added to the article was to go to Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Blocked try get me banned... you're letting Corporate Representatives use the system for their own ends perfectly -- Mistress Selina Kyle ( Α⇔Ω ¦ ⇒✉) 21:08, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
Why should I spend my time tryng to help make WR a better place and making sure personal stuff is always removed before it is public when you attack me about it even when it's in public.... WR could be a lot more free speech than it is but we try not to go to that level.... can anyone please tell me why I should bother holding back the tide of nastiness (have you SEEN the kind of stuff on ED about wikipedia people) and trying to make wikipedia a better place rather than doing going along with what so many other people said and giving up on it as hopeless...
I want to at least try, if you want me to not talk about people on other sites ok but no one ever told me that... admins told me before that stuff on WR didnt matter -- Mistress Selina Kyle ( Α⇔Ω ¦ ⇒✉) 22:40, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
How would you feel about a topic ban from Corporate Representatives for Ethical Wikipedia Engagement and WP:PAIDWATCH? Silver Seren seems willing to let this go if you stay out of that area, and Johnuniq feels you no longer need to mention Wikipedia Review on Wikipedia. Neither of these seems overly restrictive to me. Would you consent to this type of topic ban? AniMate 01:14, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
@Seren I was calling the Websense sockpuppeting slimy, that I reported!!! notice I said "report that kinda slimy stuff", I never reported you anywhere! -.- I do think your tactics aren't exactly in the spirit of Wikipedia though, even if you are angry at the arguing on WR if you truly believed in ethical editing then why so opposed to oversight? why join Corporate Representatives and support banning king who's supported working ethically for years? they are not the good guys, the whole PR industry is based around manipulating people, they are slimy, they are just using you -- Mistress Selina Kyle ( Α⇔Ω ¦ ⇒✉) 02:13, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
I'll go look thanks -- Mistress Selina Kyle ( Α⇔Ω ¦ ⇒✉) 04:50, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
Ok, if you are not their representative then it might be cool to give them a chance to speak themselves more? And not so much behaving like "Corporate Representatives Representative on Wikipedia" thing where you answer questions directed towards them? ;) -- Mistress Selina Kyle ( Α⇔Ω ¦ ⇒✉) 04:46, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
As I replied below before on #Suggestions though it's not my job to oppose this stuff I get paid far too little for it (e.g. nothing, I actually donate both to WP and WR [32] [33]), it's WMF's even if they apparently leave Jimbo to have to do everything and prettty much no one to check articles to see if they are free of bias from what I saw at Websense I'm happy to just let you play your silly arguments out if it has to be that way, I only came back because I cared and wanted to give it a try honestly (rather than coming back on a new account which I could have totally easily done) despite all the abuse I've been given overall -- Mistress Selina Kyle ( Α⇔Ω ¦ ⇒✉) 04:59, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
I have some suggestions, but will start by noting that I opposed your original unblock on the basis that I did not see any evidence to suggest that there would be good results, and because I oppose the excessive linkage between WP and WR that has arisen with multiple people contributing in both places. Regardless of the accuracy of criticisms raised at WR, I am one of many here who dislike WR's outing and abuse of editors—even banned and crazy editors should be left in peace IMHO because editing an encyclopedia should not lead to real-life problems. I do not want to debate any of that, and I have mentioned it merely for disclosure. Despite my opposition, I was pleased when your block was lifted because by that stage many other editors had commented and had demonstrated a good community spirit and I was coming around to thinking I was being petty. Let's not discuss any of that.
The best strategy now would be to review what you want to do, and why you want to do it (serious thought, not just a quick reaction). If the political side of Wikipedia appeals to you (such as ANI, policy pages, Jimbo's talk, and paid editing), I'm afraid the future is bleak—we have enough people to comment on all that. I'm not telling you my opinion on what you should do; I am giving you my opiniion that the community will not accept a person returning to political activity after problems. So, if such activity is your main reason for participation here, I think you should be prepared for opposition from many in the community. I haven't looked at the fuss over paid editing, but I guess you oppose those who imagine paid editing is good. I agree with you, and have stated many times that paid advocacy is bad for the encyclopedia, and would kill volunteers. However, people who run WR and who have been banned should not engage in that side of Wikipedia (despite being correct, and despite the unfairness of the situation). What the community wants above all is people who can drop a topic when it blows up—it doesn't matter who is right and who is wrong because someone else will step in if warranted. Bickering, and harping on the past, are corrosive to the community.
Re mentioning WR (my comment at ANI): I have no idea whether that has arisen before; it is just my suggestion for the future. Whether fair or not, many here do not like some aspects of WR, and it would be a good idea for someone very closely associated with WR to voluntarily declare that they realize it is a problem for some people, and the topic won't arise again. If you did decide to make any undertakings, you can always add that you would like the situation reviewed after six months, with a possibility of a change—nothing is permanent here. Johnuniq ( talk) 02:54, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
Frankly, I don't really care what happened off-wiki. Your behavior on-wiki has been to stir up trouble from the first minute you were unblocked. The only conditions I would support an unblock is if you confined yourself purely to editing articles, and stopped all on-wiki political activity in any way. As I don't see that happening, given that you were given ample warning to do so before this block, I am washing my hands of this. Vaya con dios. -- Jayron 32 23:03, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
Per your email, I will take a closer look at your edits/history later this evening (hopefully) and will reconsider my stance at ANI if necessary.--- Balloonman Poppa Balloon 23:03, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
Mistress Selina Kyle, as a result of several complaints from individuals who have received your emails in the last short while, I have blocked your email access. Spamming Wikipedians is not appropriate. Risker ( talk) 23:22, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
... if you get unblocked one more time, and I very much hope you are, you are going to have to show that you are serious about being here, and not just hanging around to cause drama.
Basically, if you do get unblocked, I want to see you do some real content work or I'm dumping you as a mentoree, - I have supported you very strongly so far. I think you're way smarter than the average Wikipedian (okay, that may not be saying much) and you could bring some sanity to this place. But, to put it simply, Wikipedia doesn't need more drama queens.
Yes, yes, yes. People like Silver Seren or Baseball Bugs or whoever the fuck else just mostly hang around this site, add a lot of noise, troll and take not-so-funny potshots at people who can't answer back and do nothing productive (I think Silver might have actually at some point). That does not give you an excuse to become some kind of twisted mirror image of them. As people have told you over and over again, stay away from drama boards, stay away from trouble, ignore these people. Write a goddamn article!
At the end of the day, this is supposed to be an encyclopedia. Yes, I am very aware of the fact that on a good day it doesn't even come close to resembling one. But there are some of us, who still hold out a flicker of hope that it could be (and there are some corners of it that do manage to resemble one). And writing an encyclopedia involves... well, writing. Not bickering with people on AN/I, not tagging people's talk pages (you tag theirs now, someone will tag yours when you're blocked - oh, hey, someone already tried), not spouting off on Jimbo's talk page. All that stuff is a side show (once in awhile, it's okay, maybe even necessary sometimes, but it is a sideshow). You want that kind of a social interaction, WR should be sufficient. If you're gonna cause trouble then at least first do something to back it up.
So, if you are unblocked, and I very much hope you are, I'm gonna give you ten days to write a quality new article (say, at least DYK worthy - which is a pretty low threshold), or substantially improve an existing one. Otherwise, this is just gonna keep dragging me into drama that I despise and which is a total waste of my time.
Tough love and all that. VolunteerMarek 07:57, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
Yeah I think I would just leave the criticism to WR in future it's obviously still not safe here or even there really the recent events
It still amazes me how quickly things can get out of hand here, even when I stay within all the rules (I had no idea there was a rule stopping you talking about people on other websites now, that was new to me and I had no way of being prepared for it cos yeah in the discussions before people kept telling me WR stuff doesn't matter, don't bring it up here, and when seren brought it up here I tried to point out that I never brought any of it here or posted anything against the rules here)
I'm happy to just stay away from the politics, it's all toxic and nasty and pointless trying to make it better it seems like I'd be happy to follow that and just take it a lot slower in future definitely... but yeah that's all pointless if I'm blocked I might as well just let the trolls win on WR too, over there the mods spend so much time trying to keep that place cleanm, the other mods more than me but recently I was trying to clean the place up... but why do we even bother when we get treated like crao regarless, it's like the admins here WANT us to be totally alienated and give up, and let the trolls turn it into a worse form of ED
I really would be happy with trying to give it at least one more chance before I just say give up on the place, ignore lal the crap and just try make the best of the situation -- Mistress Selina Kyle ( Α⇔Ω ¦ ⇒✉) 14:44, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
Okay, I'll hit the button and explain on ANI (a page that I strongly recommend you to take off of your watchlist). One further condition that obviously follows is that you should not feel you have the right to complain if you don't stick to your agreement ;-). -- SB_Johnny | talk 02:26, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
Hi Selina. Given your way-long-ago history with this, I really think it would be a good idea to avoid getting involved with user-template stuff for now. I know, I know... you were just replying to a reply to pre-block-and-unblock business, but I think "staying between the lines" (that's in scare quotes because it references an old TV ad for an off-road vehicle) is par for the course right now. It's also probably better to encourage people to keep giving me gruff about how overly restrictive and mean I am than it is to encourage them to complain that I'm far too lenient. Ya with me ;-)? -- SB_Johnny | talk 22:02, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
See this note:
For some odd reason, popups is showing you blocked when you're not. I think it's related to the old block that evaporated. Not sure if you should talk there, but they can visit here if need be. Alarbus ( talk) 23:52, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
Your "Click to start a new talk topic Α⇔Ω" doesn't work correctly for a securely (https://) logged in user -- see WP:FULLURL for details. Nobody Ent 02:48, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
I've written User talk:Mistress Selina Kyle/unblock conditions; messages have been left on SB_Johnny & DGG's talk page asking them to review and edit. Nobody Ent 11:19, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
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I do not wish to be considered as your official mentor anymore. I don't think I can help anymore and at this point my loyalties are conflicted. If, as I suggested, you create some real content work and give evidence of being serious, I might reconsider but other than that I don't see any canines in this belli that I have pro-fund feelings about. VolunteerMarek 04:17, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
"Is there anyway you could refrain from using the phrase " Herschelkrustofsky" for like... next two weeks at least?
(and then afterwards) I want to be the guy thlos to the echoes of his own solitary laughter in Wikipedia's empty hallways and closes the door."
QUOTE(Selina @ Mon 27th February 2012, 3:23pm) *
QUOTE(Herschelkrustofsky @ Mon 27th February 2012, 2:54pm) *
the only time (we have) ever taken official notice of either Wikipedia or Herschelkrustofsky is in this article..
----
I am literally calling bullshit here, and everyone here knows I don't swear much...
You've been waging a campaign for years now. And even in your own damn articles they try to make it come off as though you're some kind of uninvolved fan... a war of deliberate deception...
Anyone:
GOOGLE site:larouchepub.com "wikipedia" "About 113 results"
2007-06-06 "LaRouche-hating Wikipedia"
2007-08-29 "Wikipedia-related case, planted, like a fungus, on the. NASA web-site"
2007-11-09 "the great Ministry of Truth Wikipedia"
2007-11-09 "the Ministry of Truth, Wikipedia"
2007-11-22 "Wikipedians and others, who are content to force others to live as slaves"
"H.G. Wells' followers of the "Wikipedia" hoax"
2007-12-07 "In August 2004, User:Herschelkrustofsky followed procedure .. opposition to User:Herschelkrustofsky by other political enemies of LaRouche"
2008-04-01
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Lyndon LaRouche was interviewed by Genesis Communications Network internet radio host Jack Blood on his "Deadline Live" program today. Blood last talked during the 2004 Presidential campaign, and Blood continues to follow larouchepac.com and EIR regularly.
..
BLOOD: Now, what about the rumor that you were the founder of Wikipedia? You want to dispel that?
LAROUCHE: .. Jimmy Wales and I are on different wavelengths entirely!
BLOOD: I was going to ask if you can get me reinstated. I've been banned, from Wikipedia
2010-01-15
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the most widely read source of information in the world, Wikipedia
2010-12-03
QUOTE
On Oct. 17, 2008, Kronberg attended and spoke at a conference sponsored by the Duggan campaign in Germany, which sought to ban the activities of German political entities associated with LaRouche. She and the gaggle of ex-LaRouche associates and Wikipedia editors
— You are JUST like Scientology in the way your main aim seem to try to defame or destroy the lives of any political opponent that gets in your way...(+ this)
2011-01-07
QUOTE
control of Wikipedia pages by editors hostile to LaRouche .. control of Wikipedia is far too large for our present purposes.
GOOGLE site:larouchepac.com "wikipedia" "About 240 results"
As previously mentioned by many of us here, you're starting from a hole because Wikipedia Review annoys a significant part of the community. There's another part that is either doesn't see WR as a negative or doesn't care one way or the other, and is willing to simply consider what you do on-wiki.
There's no evidence you have any other motivation that to improve Wikipedia. The way to do that is write content. What I'm seeing is:
For example, this -- making the nursing template annoying with lots of red links -- in addition to not being in sync with the gestalt of, if maybe not the exact wording of, WP:REDNOT -- is not the way to get more nursing articles into Wikipedia. That's a fine goal, and the best way to do that is to write one of them.
I don't really know, nor actually care, whether the transcribe from WR to your own talk page is a violation of the ban or not, but I know it's, again, not a good idea. You have as of now 138 stalkers and while the overwhelming majority of Wikipedia editors are decent folk, there's a few malcontents in every crowd.
One of my many ways of staying Wiki-happy is reserving the right to walk away at any time for any period of time, so I never make commitments such as agreeing to mentor someone.
I have tried to be helpful in providing advice and support to facilitate you getting an opportunity to return to Wikipedia. I don't see myself as having any else to offer and will be on my way. I wish you the best of luck. Nobody Ent 15:21, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
Selina, see above under "unblock":
Okay, let's just be clear on the conditions, repeating what DGG said above: "on the condition that you will confine yourself for 6 months to making positive contributions in article space, using article talk space only with respect to the articles you are working on, and going elsewhere on WP only for the purpose of discussing those contributions, and not commenting on WR at all". We're on the same page there?
As far as Wehwalt's suggestion... "politically" that's a good idea, but that's probably a moot point if you're keeping to those conditions. You already have my advice on the WR stuff but I'll repeat it in other terms: maybe just stick to reading, digesting, and making silly comments like me and horsey do. WR is mostly chaff, but all wheat is mostly chaff ;-). --SB_Johnny 01:50, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
I agree to it (maybe I should change the banner too to make it more clear that I don't want to discuss stuff from WR here), thank you so much I'll try prove you right, I promise, thank you thank you --Mistress Selina Kyle02:04, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
I think the conditions were pretty clear.
I unblocked you because you said you just wanted to work on articles, and I think anybody should be able to work on articles if they want to do so. You seem to have become distracted by other things, and I wouldn't have unblocked you so that you could do those other things. -- SB_Johnny | talk 13:00, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
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Hi Selina, thanks for your note, which was a surprise, but a very welcome one. I share your concerns about paid editing, as I do about the other issues you mentioned. I've been having health issues recently, so I'm not sure I can get involved in PAIDWATCH (I'm trying to focus mostly on content editing at the moment), but I'll definitely take a look.
Anyway, welcome back to Wikipedia! I hope things work out for you, and that you enjoy it. If it's not fun, there's no point, and I think a lot of the fun has gone out of Wikipedia lately, so it's good to see an old timer return (yes, you count as an old timer). :) All the best, SlimVirgin TALK| CONTRIBS 00:32, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
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chilling effect -- Mistress Selina Kyle ( Α⇔Ω ¦ ⇒✉) 12:49, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
I have reverted your entry of Hope Diamond from Sita Mata article. It is unnecessary in that article! -- Tito Dutta (Send me a message) 07:23, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
Hello, thanks for the message. I didn't notice that was on, but I can watch the dvd instead, yay :) It might be a good excuse to listen to the radio series again, too! -- h2g2bob ( talk) 00:23, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
I have to agree with Alison here that the link I don't think belongs, but I'm willing to hear Jimbo's comments out, but I can't find them, could you link them possibly for me? (I could just be tired and not be seeing them) Though I would like to note, but not to attack your edit, but an overall comment that Jimbo talking != what has to be done. We do have community process here, and unless this is a office action or ArbCom action he's doing, then it's subject to every one of the community's polices. -- DQ (ʞlɐʇ) 06:26, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
I left you a note here: Talk:Corporate_Representatives_for_Ethical_Wikipedia_Engagement#COI_template. Cheers, Ocaasi t | c 08:17, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
Thaanks for the link to the Paid Operatives essay at Paid Advocay Watch. Tra. ``` Buster Seven Talk 20:13, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
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During the deletion discussion for Wikipedia:WikiProject Paid Advocacy Watch/Editor Registry, the consensus was that the page should be used for those who have self-identified as COI editors. LauraHale has not disclosed any such affiliation, and using as evidence that she is Wikipedian in Residence at the Australian Paralymic Committee is insufficient - being an Wikipedia in Residence does not make someone a paid editor with a COI in relation to those articles. Accordingly, I've had to revert your addition [58]. This is something that we'll need consensus on before adding. - Bilby ( talk) 12:27, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
Hi, Selina. Follow the trails and they lead back to Alarbus being Jack Merridew. Good luck, here, while it lasts.
Buck 12:28, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
Hello, I understand that you emailed me regarding for being blocked for "talking about paid editing". Could I ask why you are contacting me regarding this, and why not a uninvolved admin? Phearson ( talk) 04:44, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
While I am neutral toward MS and am not familiar with the specifics of the incident, I would reiterate, if you are not famaliar with the case---you probably do not want to unblock without discussing on ANI.--- Balloonman Poppa Balloon 02:31, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
Category:Requests for unblockThose were not my unblock conditions, those were agreed before on
#Unblock on this page... That page was written by SB_Johnny who was collaborating with banned user "
Herschelkrustofsky" in the moderator forum on Wikipedia Review to "keep me under control" on Wikipedia from drawing attention to the covert pushing of people like him (and to help "protect"
thekohser and
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I said before that that page was invalid, on that page, even, too, no one disputed or responded in any way to my comments there...!!! I even said specifically the goal-posts should not be moved like that, it wasn't what I agreed to when in the unblock:
I don't think I agree that you should say namespaces though since I am pretty good with making things more readable for non-techy people and fixing stuff?
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I have no objection.--
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You shouldn't be blocking the whistleblowers but going after the actual bad people instead
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Has Selina caused any disruption in the Wikipedia namespace? If not, then perhaps WP:IAR is applicable. Drama isn't the same as disruption; some issues simply need to be discussed. Selina was only trying to help Wikipedia against what she perceives to be a major threat. -- Michaeldsuarez ( talk) 13:58, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
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I've thought of an idea that might break our current logjam with paid editing. I'd love your sincere feedback and opinion.
Feel free to circulate this to anyone you think should know about it, but please recognize that it hasn't been agreed upon by either PR organizations or WikiProjects or the wider community. It's also just a draft, so any/many changes can still be made. Thanks and cheers, Ocaasi 15:16, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
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Stop tagging accounts as socks of anyone, please. That is not appropriate behaviour for someone trying to stay out of trouble, particularly when you get some of them wrong. Further, don't tag IP addresses. Risker ( talk) 15:40, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
It's not your job or my job or anyone else's job to fix all of Wikipedia. It's just too darn big. So don't feel compelled to address any but the most urgent or blatant violations. There's no doubt in my mind that there are many undetected socks on Wikipedia but that doesn't keep me from sleeping very well at night. If they're so good at behaving themselves that no one detects that's bad thing because ... ? It's been strongly suggested your stay out of the Wikipedia back alleys -- in other words try to stick to main article space. If you do run across suspicious activity / possible socking or start getting into a content dispute just add note to the bottom of your talk page and some ( talk page stalker) will take a look. If you end up at ANI again you're probably just done. I ain't gonna pretend it's right or fair but I know it just is. Nobody Ent 18:03, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
Wanted to let you know I left a response on Philippe's Talk page King4057 ( talk) 19:58, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
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Unfortunately, it seems that you are well past three reverts on Websense. While I'm a fan of BRD as well, BRD isn't an excuse to continue to revert, especially when the discussion part of the process is ongoing. 3RR is not about being right or wrong with your changes, so much as trying to make conflicts manageable.
I guess you'll need to make a choice on how to proceed, but I'm afraid it is enough of a problem that it will need to be raised on the 3RR noticeboard if you choose to continue along this path, and given the conditions of your unblock I can't see that ending well. - Bilby ( talk) 13:47, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
Hello, Mistress Selina Kyle. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Wikipedia:Wikiquette assistance regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Silver seren C 22:28, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
Hi Mistress! Response on my Talk page. King4057 ( talk) 00:13, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
I just want to be clear that I was not trying to hide views that I disagree with, I was collapsing a discussion that was seriously off-topic and dealt with individual editors' opinions about the subject rather than published sources or constructive criticism of the article as it is written. It's important to keep this talk page free of the drama that goes on in the real world happenings of CREWE and its supporters/detractors. Unless views are expressed in reliable sources or directly pertain to the article, we have no business discussing them on the article's talk page. That's just basic Wikipedia policy that the talk page is not a forum. I hope you better understand why I collapsed the conversation, and why I would do it again if it continues in that manner. Cheers, Ocaasi t | c 06:44, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
I saw you added a link in the header to WP:PSCOI. I worked on that guide extensively, and love to see it mentioned (in fact I added it to the See Also section of WP:COI today). That said, I don't know that it's appropriate to link to a guide which doesn't carry weight of policy or even a guideline at the top of a core policy. What do you think? Ocaasi t | c 07:15, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
What Ocaasi said above is really what I feel is the obvious bulls-eye. If PR people were pitching the media, they would call them, tell them who they were, pitch their story and either (a) offer content and hope they write it or (b) write a contributed article that is reviewed and published by a neutral reporter.
There are many issues involved, but that's really what it comes down to. Thanks for letting me hjijack your thread ;-) King4057 ( talk) 03:58, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
This is not good.
Selina, I am somewhat worried about some of your reverts. Can I kindly recommend you revert less, or even possibly consider limiting yourself to a voluntary 1RR? (In other words, sticking to only one revert at a time in a 24 hour period, unless you are reverting vandalism or a sock.) As I mentioned previously, users can still be blocked for edit-warring, even if they do not break 3RR. Don't worry about other users reverting you: ultimately, you will be better off if you stick to a single revert then be the one to get discussions going on talk pages. I'm about to go offline now, so I won't be able to reply until the morning. This is only a suggestion, but it is one I would definitely consider. Best. Acalamari 23:58, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
I want to thank you for being diligent on sock puppets, not because I'm involved with any of the pages that you did before, but because it's a good thing to do and I have seen socks in use and never known what to do about it until I read the template pages, to which I was lead by your tea and cookies on Elen of the Road's talk page!! It's that six-degrees-of-separation thing. In any case, when I first started at wiki, I made an account for a few edits, and then forgot I had the account. My bad on that one... when I came back I used anonymous IP for two edits, I don't know why, probably a mistake, and started my new account. What I did after reading about socks and templates was to go back and own up to those two "non-account uses." I'd never have known to do this without reading what you wrote, so thank you!! Ellin Beltz ( talk) 17:05, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
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Posting an editor's personal information on the Internet in retaliation for an on-wiki dispute is completely unacceptable. I have previously supported your unblock requests - twice, actually - but this kind of behavior will simply not be tolerated. 28bytes ( talk) 20:13, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
-- Mistress Selina Kyle ( Α⇔Ω ¦ ⇒✉) 20:19, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
I am a supporter of WP:PAIDWATCH which aims to monitor subversive PR operatives on Wikipedia, such as Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Websense,_Inc.. You can disagree with someone whilst remaining wp:CIVIL and I have done nothing but do so on wiki, he just seemed to want to stir things up constantly to get what he wanted, I knew he was trying to get me banned when he started that - the Corporate Representatives group on Facebook (that he goes around openly saying he is silver seren on) fairly malign as has been discussed on a Wikimedia Foundation official's talk page previously: User_talk:Philippe_(WMF)#Wikimania_Panel and as Jimbo has said, it's a serious problem that cannot be ignored: [22]
At Talk:Corporate_Representatives_for_Ethical_Wikipedia_Engagement#Credit_Where_Due anyone can see that I was replying to him as a member of the "Corporate Representatives for Ethical Wikipedia Engagement" group who was defending the PR advocacy editor... Silver Seren has been wp:wikistalking me [23] constantly after I stated my opposition to the Corporate Representatives group and this seems to be normal tactics of the group Silver Seren founded supporting corporate editing in retaliation to wp:PAIDWATCH to try harass dissenters, as I also had a similar issue happen 2 days before he made that WQA thread to try defame me since I added Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Websense,_Inc. to the PAIDWATCH wikiproject at 9:23 [24], "bob rayner" arrived at 9:58 [25] along with "Bilby" at 11:13 [26] to talk:Websense to defend the companies' paid PR sockpuppeting — both whom are not members of wp:PAIDWATCH, but apparently founding members (the 5th and 7th respectively) of Silver Seren's previously mentioned Wikiproject working with the Corporate Representatives PR group, which most of them including Seren - as stated on their site - are also supporters of
His very next edit after deleting Jimbo's reply to the group (speaking as the public representative for Wikipedia) that I added to the article was to go to Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Blocked try get me banned... you're letting Corporate Representatives use the system for their own ends perfectly -- Mistress Selina Kyle ( Α⇔Ω ¦ ⇒✉) 21:08, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
Why should I spend my time tryng to help make WR a better place and making sure personal stuff is always removed before it is public when you attack me about it even when it's in public.... WR could be a lot more free speech than it is but we try not to go to that level.... can anyone please tell me why I should bother holding back the tide of nastiness (have you SEEN the kind of stuff on ED about wikipedia people) and trying to make wikipedia a better place rather than doing going along with what so many other people said and giving up on it as hopeless...
I want to at least try, if you want me to not talk about people on other sites ok but no one ever told me that... admins told me before that stuff on WR didnt matter -- Mistress Selina Kyle ( Α⇔Ω ¦ ⇒✉) 22:40, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
How would you feel about a topic ban from Corporate Representatives for Ethical Wikipedia Engagement and WP:PAIDWATCH? Silver Seren seems willing to let this go if you stay out of that area, and Johnuniq feels you no longer need to mention Wikipedia Review on Wikipedia. Neither of these seems overly restrictive to me. Would you consent to this type of topic ban? AniMate 01:14, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
@Seren I was calling the Websense sockpuppeting slimy, that I reported!!! notice I said "report that kinda slimy stuff", I never reported you anywhere! -.- I do think your tactics aren't exactly in the spirit of Wikipedia though, even if you are angry at the arguing on WR if you truly believed in ethical editing then why so opposed to oversight? why join Corporate Representatives and support banning king who's supported working ethically for years? they are not the good guys, the whole PR industry is based around manipulating people, they are slimy, they are just using you -- Mistress Selina Kyle ( Α⇔Ω ¦ ⇒✉) 02:13, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
I'll go look thanks -- Mistress Selina Kyle ( Α⇔Ω ¦ ⇒✉) 04:50, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
Ok, if you are not their representative then it might be cool to give them a chance to speak themselves more? And not so much behaving like "Corporate Representatives Representative on Wikipedia" thing where you answer questions directed towards them? ;) -- Mistress Selina Kyle ( Α⇔Ω ¦ ⇒✉) 04:46, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
As I replied below before on #Suggestions though it's not my job to oppose this stuff I get paid far too little for it (e.g. nothing, I actually donate both to WP and WR [32] [33]), it's WMF's even if they apparently leave Jimbo to have to do everything and prettty much no one to check articles to see if they are free of bias from what I saw at Websense I'm happy to just let you play your silly arguments out if it has to be that way, I only came back because I cared and wanted to give it a try honestly (rather than coming back on a new account which I could have totally easily done) despite all the abuse I've been given overall -- Mistress Selina Kyle ( Α⇔Ω ¦ ⇒✉) 04:59, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
I have some suggestions, but will start by noting that I opposed your original unblock on the basis that I did not see any evidence to suggest that there would be good results, and because I oppose the excessive linkage between WP and WR that has arisen with multiple people contributing in both places. Regardless of the accuracy of criticisms raised at WR, I am one of many here who dislike WR's outing and abuse of editors—even banned and crazy editors should be left in peace IMHO because editing an encyclopedia should not lead to real-life problems. I do not want to debate any of that, and I have mentioned it merely for disclosure. Despite my opposition, I was pleased when your block was lifted because by that stage many other editors had commented and had demonstrated a good community spirit and I was coming around to thinking I was being petty. Let's not discuss any of that.
The best strategy now would be to review what you want to do, and why you want to do it (serious thought, not just a quick reaction). If the political side of Wikipedia appeals to you (such as ANI, policy pages, Jimbo's talk, and paid editing), I'm afraid the future is bleak—we have enough people to comment on all that. I'm not telling you my opinion on what you should do; I am giving you my opiniion that the community will not accept a person returning to political activity after problems. So, if such activity is your main reason for participation here, I think you should be prepared for opposition from many in the community. I haven't looked at the fuss over paid editing, but I guess you oppose those who imagine paid editing is good. I agree with you, and have stated many times that paid advocacy is bad for the encyclopedia, and would kill volunteers. However, people who run WR and who have been banned should not engage in that side of Wikipedia (despite being correct, and despite the unfairness of the situation). What the community wants above all is people who can drop a topic when it blows up—it doesn't matter who is right and who is wrong because someone else will step in if warranted. Bickering, and harping on the past, are corrosive to the community.
Re mentioning WR (my comment at ANI): I have no idea whether that has arisen before; it is just my suggestion for the future. Whether fair or not, many here do not like some aspects of WR, and it would be a good idea for someone very closely associated with WR to voluntarily declare that they realize it is a problem for some people, and the topic won't arise again. If you did decide to make any undertakings, you can always add that you would like the situation reviewed after six months, with a possibility of a change—nothing is permanent here. Johnuniq ( talk) 02:54, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
Frankly, I don't really care what happened off-wiki. Your behavior on-wiki has been to stir up trouble from the first minute you were unblocked. The only conditions I would support an unblock is if you confined yourself purely to editing articles, and stopped all on-wiki political activity in any way. As I don't see that happening, given that you were given ample warning to do so before this block, I am washing my hands of this. Vaya con dios. -- Jayron 32 23:03, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
Per your email, I will take a closer look at your edits/history later this evening (hopefully) and will reconsider my stance at ANI if necessary.--- Balloonman Poppa Balloon 23:03, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
Mistress Selina Kyle, as a result of several complaints from individuals who have received your emails in the last short while, I have blocked your email access. Spamming Wikipedians is not appropriate. Risker ( talk) 23:22, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
... if you get unblocked one more time, and I very much hope you are, you are going to have to show that you are serious about being here, and not just hanging around to cause drama.
Basically, if you do get unblocked, I want to see you do some real content work or I'm dumping you as a mentoree, - I have supported you very strongly so far. I think you're way smarter than the average Wikipedian (okay, that may not be saying much) and you could bring some sanity to this place. But, to put it simply, Wikipedia doesn't need more drama queens.
Yes, yes, yes. People like Silver Seren or Baseball Bugs or whoever the fuck else just mostly hang around this site, add a lot of noise, troll and take not-so-funny potshots at people who can't answer back and do nothing productive (I think Silver might have actually at some point). That does not give you an excuse to become some kind of twisted mirror image of them. As people have told you over and over again, stay away from drama boards, stay away from trouble, ignore these people. Write a goddamn article!
At the end of the day, this is supposed to be an encyclopedia. Yes, I am very aware of the fact that on a good day it doesn't even come close to resembling one. But there are some of us, who still hold out a flicker of hope that it could be (and there are some corners of it that do manage to resemble one). And writing an encyclopedia involves... well, writing. Not bickering with people on AN/I, not tagging people's talk pages (you tag theirs now, someone will tag yours when you're blocked - oh, hey, someone already tried), not spouting off on Jimbo's talk page. All that stuff is a side show (once in awhile, it's okay, maybe even necessary sometimes, but it is a sideshow). You want that kind of a social interaction, WR should be sufficient. If you're gonna cause trouble then at least first do something to back it up.
So, if you are unblocked, and I very much hope you are, I'm gonna give you ten days to write a quality new article (say, at least DYK worthy - which is a pretty low threshold), or substantially improve an existing one. Otherwise, this is just gonna keep dragging me into drama that I despise and which is a total waste of my time.
Tough love and all that. VolunteerMarek 07:57, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
Yeah I think I would just leave the criticism to WR in future it's obviously still not safe here or even there really the recent events
It still amazes me how quickly things can get out of hand here, even when I stay within all the rules (I had no idea there was a rule stopping you talking about people on other websites now, that was new to me and I had no way of being prepared for it cos yeah in the discussions before people kept telling me WR stuff doesn't matter, don't bring it up here, and when seren brought it up here I tried to point out that I never brought any of it here or posted anything against the rules here)
I'm happy to just stay away from the politics, it's all toxic and nasty and pointless trying to make it better it seems like I'd be happy to follow that and just take it a lot slower in future definitely... but yeah that's all pointless if I'm blocked I might as well just let the trolls win on WR too, over there the mods spend so much time trying to keep that place cleanm, the other mods more than me but recently I was trying to clean the place up... but why do we even bother when we get treated like crao regarless, it's like the admins here WANT us to be totally alienated and give up, and let the trolls turn it into a worse form of ED
I really would be happy with trying to give it at least one more chance before I just say give up on the place, ignore lal the crap and just try make the best of the situation -- Mistress Selina Kyle ( Α⇔Ω ¦ ⇒✉) 14:44, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
Okay, I'll hit the button and explain on ANI (a page that I strongly recommend you to take off of your watchlist). One further condition that obviously follows is that you should not feel you have the right to complain if you don't stick to your agreement ;-). -- SB_Johnny | talk 02:26, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
Hi Selina. Given your way-long-ago history with this, I really think it would be a good idea to avoid getting involved with user-template stuff for now. I know, I know... you were just replying to a reply to pre-block-and-unblock business, but I think "staying between the lines" (that's in scare quotes because it references an old TV ad for an off-road vehicle) is par for the course right now. It's also probably better to encourage people to keep giving me gruff about how overly restrictive and mean I am than it is to encourage them to complain that I'm far too lenient. Ya with me ;-)? -- SB_Johnny | talk 22:02, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
See this note:
For some odd reason, popups is showing you blocked when you're not. I think it's related to the old block that evaporated. Not sure if you should talk there, but they can visit here if need be. Alarbus ( talk) 23:52, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
Your "Click to start a new talk topic Α⇔Ω" doesn't work correctly for a securely (https://) logged in user -- see WP:FULLURL for details. Nobody Ent 02:48, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
I've written User talk:Mistress Selina Kyle/unblock conditions; messages have been left on SB_Johnny & DGG's talk page asking them to review and edit. Nobody Ent 11:19, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
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I do not wish to be considered as your official mentor anymore. I don't think I can help anymore and at this point my loyalties are conflicted. If, as I suggested, you create some real content work and give evidence of being serious, I might reconsider but other than that I don't see any canines in this belli that I have pro-fund feelings about. VolunteerMarek 04:17, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
"Is there anyway you could refrain from using the phrase " Herschelkrustofsky" for like... next two weeks at least?
(and then afterwards) I want to be the guy thlos to the echoes of his own solitary laughter in Wikipedia's empty hallways and closes the door."
QUOTE(Selina @ Mon 27th February 2012, 3:23pm) *
QUOTE(Herschelkrustofsky @ Mon 27th February 2012, 2:54pm) *
the only time (we have) ever taken official notice of either Wikipedia or Herschelkrustofsky is in this article..
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I am literally calling bullshit here, and everyone here knows I don't swear much...
You've been waging a campaign for years now. And even in your own damn articles they try to make it come off as though you're some kind of uninvolved fan... a war of deliberate deception...
Anyone:
GOOGLE site:larouchepub.com "wikipedia" "About 113 results"
2007-06-06 "LaRouche-hating Wikipedia"
2007-08-29 "Wikipedia-related case, planted, like a fungus, on the. NASA web-site"
2007-11-09 "the great Ministry of Truth Wikipedia"
2007-11-09 "the Ministry of Truth, Wikipedia"
2007-11-22 "Wikipedians and others, who are content to force others to live as slaves"
"H.G. Wells' followers of the "Wikipedia" hoax"
2007-12-07 "In August 2004, User:Herschelkrustofsky followed procedure .. opposition to User:Herschelkrustofsky by other political enemies of LaRouche"
2008-04-01
QUOTE
Lyndon LaRouche was interviewed by Genesis Communications Network internet radio host Jack Blood on his "Deadline Live" program today. Blood last talked during the 2004 Presidential campaign, and Blood continues to follow larouchepac.com and EIR regularly.
..
BLOOD: Now, what about the rumor that you were the founder of Wikipedia? You want to dispel that?
LAROUCHE: .. Jimmy Wales and I are on different wavelengths entirely!
BLOOD: I was going to ask if you can get me reinstated. I've been banned, from Wikipedia
2010-01-15
QUOTE
the most widely read source of information in the world, Wikipedia
2010-12-03
QUOTE
On Oct. 17, 2008, Kronberg attended and spoke at a conference sponsored by the Duggan campaign in Germany, which sought to ban the activities of German political entities associated with LaRouche. She and the gaggle of ex-LaRouche associates and Wikipedia editors
— You are JUST like Scientology in the way your main aim seem to try to defame or destroy the lives of any political opponent that gets in your way...(+ this)
2011-01-07
QUOTE
control of Wikipedia pages by editors hostile to LaRouche .. control of Wikipedia is far too large for our present purposes.
GOOGLE site:larouchepac.com "wikipedia" "About 240 results"
As previously mentioned by many of us here, you're starting from a hole because Wikipedia Review annoys a significant part of the community. There's another part that is either doesn't see WR as a negative or doesn't care one way or the other, and is willing to simply consider what you do on-wiki.
There's no evidence you have any other motivation that to improve Wikipedia. The way to do that is write content. What I'm seeing is:
For example, this -- making the nursing template annoying with lots of red links -- in addition to not being in sync with the gestalt of, if maybe not the exact wording of, WP:REDNOT -- is not the way to get more nursing articles into Wikipedia. That's a fine goal, and the best way to do that is to write one of them.
I don't really know, nor actually care, whether the transcribe from WR to your own talk page is a violation of the ban or not, but I know it's, again, not a good idea. You have as of now 138 stalkers and while the overwhelming majority of Wikipedia editors are decent folk, there's a few malcontents in every crowd.
One of my many ways of staying Wiki-happy is reserving the right to walk away at any time for any period of time, so I never make commitments such as agreeing to mentor someone.
I have tried to be helpful in providing advice and support to facilitate you getting an opportunity to return to Wikipedia. I don't see myself as having any else to offer and will be on my way. I wish you the best of luck. Nobody Ent 15:21, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
Selina, see above under "unblock":
Okay, let's just be clear on the conditions, repeating what DGG said above: "on the condition that you will confine yourself for 6 months to making positive contributions in article space, using article talk space only with respect to the articles you are working on, and going elsewhere on WP only for the purpose of discussing those contributions, and not commenting on WR at all". We're on the same page there?
As far as Wehwalt's suggestion... "politically" that's a good idea, but that's probably a moot point if you're keeping to those conditions. You already have my advice on the WR stuff but I'll repeat it in other terms: maybe just stick to reading, digesting, and making silly comments like me and horsey do. WR is mostly chaff, but all wheat is mostly chaff ;-). --SB_Johnny 01:50, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
I agree to it (maybe I should change the banner too to make it more clear that I don't want to discuss stuff from WR here), thank you so much I'll try prove you right, I promise, thank you thank you --Mistress Selina Kyle02:04, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
I think the conditions were pretty clear.
I unblocked you because you said you just wanted to work on articles, and I think anybody should be able to work on articles if they want to do so. You seem to have become distracted by other things, and I wouldn't have unblocked you so that you could do those other things. -- SB_Johnny | talk 13:00, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
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Hi Selina, thanks for your note, which was a surprise, but a very welcome one. I share your concerns about paid editing, as I do about the other issues you mentioned. I've been having health issues recently, so I'm not sure I can get involved in PAIDWATCH (I'm trying to focus mostly on content editing at the moment), but I'll definitely take a look.
Anyway, welcome back to Wikipedia! I hope things work out for you, and that you enjoy it. If it's not fun, there's no point, and I think a lot of the fun has gone out of Wikipedia lately, so it's good to see an old timer return (yes, you count as an old timer). :) All the best, SlimVirgin TALK| CONTRIBS 00:32, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
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chilling effect -- Mistress Selina Kyle ( Α⇔Ω ¦ ⇒✉) 12:49, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
I have reverted your entry of Hope Diamond from Sita Mata article. It is unnecessary in that article! -- Tito Dutta (Send me a message) 07:23, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
Hello, thanks for the message. I didn't notice that was on, but I can watch the dvd instead, yay :) It might be a good excuse to listen to the radio series again, too! -- h2g2bob ( talk) 00:23, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
I have to agree with Alison here that the link I don't think belongs, but I'm willing to hear Jimbo's comments out, but I can't find them, could you link them possibly for me? (I could just be tired and not be seeing them) Though I would like to note, but not to attack your edit, but an overall comment that Jimbo talking != what has to be done. We do have community process here, and unless this is a office action or ArbCom action he's doing, then it's subject to every one of the community's polices. -- DQ (ʞlɐʇ) 06:26, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
I left you a note here: Talk:Corporate_Representatives_for_Ethical_Wikipedia_Engagement#COI_template. Cheers, Ocaasi t | c 08:17, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
Thaanks for the link to the Paid Operatives essay at Paid Advocay Watch. Tra. ``` Buster Seven Talk 20:13, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
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Hi, Selina. Follow the trails and they lead back to Alarbus being Jack Merridew. Good luck, here, while it lasts.
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Hello, I understand that you emailed me regarding for being blocked for "talking about paid editing". Could I ask why you are contacting me regarding this, and why not a uninvolved admin? Phearson ( talk) 04:44, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
While I am neutral toward MS and am not familiar with the specifics of the incident, I would reiterate, if you are not famaliar with the case---you probably do not want to unblock without discussing on ANI.--- Balloonman Poppa Balloon 02:31, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
Category:Requests for unblockThose were not my unblock conditions, those were agreed before on
#Unblock on this page... That page was written by SB_Johnny who was collaborating with banned user "
Herschelkrustofsky" in the moderator forum on Wikipedia Review to "keep me under control" on Wikipedia from drawing attention to the covert pushing of people like him (and to help "protect"
thekohser and
gomi greybeard too):
#AfD_re_CREWE
I said before that that page was invalid, on that page, even, too, no one disputed or responded in any way to my comments there...!!! I even said specifically the goal-posts should not be moved like that, it wasn't what I agreed to when in the unblock:
I don't think I agree that you should say namespaces though since I am pretty good with making things more readable for non-techy people and fixing stuff?
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[68] just not the horrible damn drama pages? I don't want to go near them anymore at all now honestly --
Mistress Selina Kyle (
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I have no objection.--
Wehwalt (
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Ditto.
DGG (
talk ) 20:46, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
You shouldn't be blocking the whistleblowers but going after the actual bad people instead
Wikipedia:WikiProject_Paid_Advocacy_Watch/Editor_Registry#Covert_paid_editing
[69]"
in my view, a front line issue to be dealt with firmly" --
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Has Selina caused any disruption in the Wikipedia namespace? If not, then perhaps WP:IAR is applicable. Drama isn't the same as disruption; some issues simply need to be discussed. Selina was only trying to help Wikipedia against what she perceives to be a major threat. -- Michaeldsuarez ( talk) 13:58, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
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I've thought of an idea that might break our current logjam with paid editing. I'd love your sincere feedback and opinion.
Feel free to circulate this to anyone you think should know about it, but please recognize that it hasn't been agreed upon by either PR organizations or WikiProjects or the wider community. It's also just a draft, so any/many changes can still be made. Thanks and cheers, Ocaasi 15:16, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
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Hello!! Is there anybody out there!!! Just nod if you can hear me. Is there anyone home? 2A00:23C4:B006:3601:E882:D1F0:6CA6:F9CC ( talk) 05:15, 11 October 2022 (UTC)