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June 3, 2012.
Dear Mr. MatthewVanitas, Greetings, Please see what has happened to article "Khudabadi Sindhi Swarankar". I do not how to put back the original article. The present short version do not explain the ancient view of the community. You and me had work hard to shape the article. I request you top please try put back the original version. Thanks 180.215.181.122 ( talk) 07:18, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
Matthew: When I get a chance, I'll go back through and tag the sources used in Kanklės. The external links at the end of the article are where most of the information came from. I saw the new Baltic psaltery article; do you think Gusli belongs there? -- Theodore Kloba ( talk) 18:04, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
As per your suggestion dated 9 April 2012 on Nair article talk page “that the etymology section is too short to be a standalone section as-is, unless we can restore more of the etymology theories”. We are trying to brainstorm a consensus into how can we improve the etymology section under section titled “Suggestions invited for improving etymology section of the article”. Do you have any pointers ?
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Desr User:MatthewVanitas, I hope you are well. I am having trouble keeping the page on Badshah Munir Bukhari neutral, accurate and referenced. Another editor (whom a third editor accuses of being the subject of the article) seems intent on writing hyperbole and misinformation despite the sources. For example, he re-inserts the PhD title even though the University webpage linked on the page attributes to him MA qualifications and lists him as Mr. I have inserted notability and deletion recommendation templates. He has removed these. I do not know if the editor is the subject of yhe article himself. But the edits are contrary to WP:BLP guidelines. Is there any chance you could please take a quick look? Is there a forum this should be taken to? Thank you very much. Yours sincerely George Custer's Sabre ( talk) 07:46, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
i would like you opinion here, [1] .-- altetendekrabbe 15:10, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
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Hi Mathew I suspect this user is in effect this and this user who are trying to block evade. Thanks SH 16:58, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
Yes this and this are same. User:bharat42. —Preceding undated comment added 17:44, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
Dear Matthew and SH – Earnestly speaking, the idea was only to add to the existing page, may be in the shape of ‘spiritual ideology’ or ‘history which was missing, or community service which was untouched. I agree with both of you, that due to lack of familiarity with ‘WIKI policies’, some deviations might have crept in, but that can always be improved with your support, as long as the intentions are good. Being senior members, your support can always go a long way.
And one more submission, that Bharat42 and myself are not same, and there is absolutely no intention to do anything tnat is not constructive. I hope you will take my words. Thanks and Regards. -- LoveMankind talk 08:57, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
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I'm afraid I can't find any explanation of the difference - you don't by any chance have access to the relevant volume of Garland? In ictu oculi ( talk) 23:32, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
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Have a look: [4]. Drmies ( talk) 19:14, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
Hello!! Matthew. I just saw your tweak & comments in edit section - well thanks for comment well written article. However, your concern about name - Kutch Gurjar Kshatriya. I just did a goggling in Gujarati text both using word કચ્છ ગુર્જર ક્ષત્રિય [6] and also કચ્છ ગુર્જર ક્ષત્રિય મિસ્ત્રી [7]and you can see there are many news published with the name Kutch Gurjar Kshatriya. The second search of Kutch Gurjar Kshatriya & Mistri word combined also gave results confirming some news articles that both are synonyms of each other. For example [8], [9]. Other news items are also there like someone from their community getting best teacher award by President of India [10] and in news item dated 7/6/2011 saying new President by name Manilal Chawda of their community was elected at Nagpur, where representatives of 127 units of Kutch Gurjar Kshatriya from all over India were present to caste their vote - [11]. As Gujarati is my mother tongue I have not used Goggle translation. Further, when I created the article, the first online page about the community I found was [12] but it was later removed since india9.com is not acceptable source at Wiki. Also found one Times of India news item [13] - HC raps mgmt of Gurjar Kshatriya Samaj at Gondia saying that the Gurjar Kshatriya Samaj is a very old social institution with a membership of around 1,000, mostly former residents of Kachh (Gujrat).
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Hi! I just got an edit conflict while updating the quality of the article Diana Penty in its talk page. Then I saw you just did that! That's so rare coincident, statistically speaking!!-- Dwaipayan ( talk) 16:17, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
hi I am a new wikipedia user, and i have a flickr account where i have some grate photos of Afghanistan 9http://www.flickr.com/photos/kohistan/) and i would like to post them on to wikimedia commons. it will be grate if you could help me through it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Khatary1 ( talk • contribs) 17:05, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
Hi , there is a principle of weight and undo. Thank you-- Khodabandeh14 ( talk) 15:48, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
Matthew. Thanks for your help and I understand you have good intention.. but I have been in Wikipedia for 5-6 years and have dealt with constant Turkish nationalism vandalism on Scythians, Medes, various Persian poets, Saladin..etc. This is a country that everyone (even Kurdish childeren are forced) recite: "Happy is he who was born a Turk" every morning and has commited the Armenian, Greek and Assyrian Genocide. Imagine if Black children in the US were forced to say: "Happy is he who is born white". With the exception of Ba'athist Iraq (now defunct), I do not think any other country teaches nationalism at such a young age in the Near East. Many of these users showup as new accounts but they are all recurring users. Even a look at Turkish Wikipedia right now under Scythians or Saladin etc. It does not confirm to mainstream viewpoint. See similar pattern of vandalism in Saladin (who is Kurdish in mainstream scholarship). So the frustration is nothing new..although I am happy at least they are pestering about Rumi..I feel more upset for the Armenians who were wiped out physically and this simple fact is being denied by Turkish nationalists. Hundreds of millions (if not Billions) have been spent on denying that fact (so I am sure they can spend several millions trying to fool gullible users). Not a single one of the Turkish users active in Wikipedia can read Rumi and understand him.. They all constantly repeat the same cliche arguments which I have responded too. At least with Rumi..it is a cultural object and history cannot be changed. Heck, one in the end will need the Persian language to access him. As I said I feel more sad for the Armenians and Armenian genocide article..that has to deal with this cruft. Thanks -- Khodabandeh14 ( talk) 01:12, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
That is quite rude, and I think you are behaving poorly towards someone who is genuinely attempting to improve the article. I can appreciate that it is upsetting dealing with Turkish nationalist bowlderising of history, but you're allowing your frantic "defense" of the article to render the lede into unhelpful junk, whose legibility is compromised by poor organisation, and whose credibility is hampered by clearly argument-based over-footnoting as seen in the worst debate articles. I've put extensive work into dealing with caste-based POV issues in Indian articles, and had hoped to apply some of the technical skills (not even claiming subject expertise, just experience in concise ledes) to this article, but clearly you're unwilling to accept neutral help, and are too quick to see "a Turk behind every tree" to calm down and actually work to improve the article.
Fine, I'm struggling to maintain a massive watchlist of high-tamper Indian caste articles as it is, and I have better things to do than to waste my time where on an article where basic cleanup gets me labeled as a Turcophile by a group that, quite frankly, doesn't come across as totally neutral on the Iranian issue either. I hope you can actually put some thought into the improvements I proposed and somehow arrive at a lede that actually helps inform readers. MatthewVanitas ( talk) 02:40, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
Mathew, my main concern in this case is first and foremost, the integrity of Wikipedia as a reliable source of information. Rumi's background is of no consequence to me, but he was indeed a Persian, my stand on this is a principled one, and I have in the past defended a Turkish scholar's background when some Arab nationalist tried to claim him using fringe sources, and I also defended Nader Shah's Turkic background, when some Iranian nationalists tried to remove it. This issue is not different for me. Wikipedia is not a place for nationalist glory-hunting, that's all that matters to me. I know that you also care about Wikipedia's integrity. So I hope you understand my concerns. Regards. Kurdo777 ( talk) 03:55, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
Hi Matthew..I put the three recommendations you mentioned in the lead. I agree with Lysozym above. Thanks. -- Khodabandeh14 ( talk) 21:48, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
Heated discussion on the renaming of this article. Maybe the article is not very interesting in itself but there is quite an example of a debate on the principle of naming conventions on its talk page. Everybody most welcome. -- E4024 ( talk) 15:36, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
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Hi, thanks for making the pages bettter, the only thing we need to correct is that, they call themselves 'Puar's. and all three families are Marathas who descended from the Rajput Paramaras. Keep up the good work. check this out - — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dcoda89 ( talk • contribs) 13:38, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
Hello there. I am new to wikipedia editing. In fact the above mentioned article is the first article I have ever edited. Please accept my apologies if I have not followed the rules, but I didn't really know how to edit or save my changes and hence kept submitting thinking there was a problem with my browser or login. Having said this, I am happy to see that the 'cash for fatwa' section is not visible today. I see no reason to leave something so defaming on an article unless an alternate view is also presented or at least an update is given. Secondly, there is the section on beliefs which states that the deobandis were influenced by the Wahabi movement. I feel this to be an incorrect statement. I also posted a link to an OFFICIAL SOURCE (i.e. deoband.org: about us) mentioning that THEY DO NOT DECLARE any such influence but it keeps getting removed. Can I ask why?. I also urge you to look at:
1) http://www.darululoom-deoband.com/english/aboutdarululoom/the_tack.htm
2) http://www.darululoom-deoband.com/english/aboutdarululoom/school_of_thought.htm
The Global Encyclopedia states that Taqwiyatul Iman is a translation of Ibnul Wahab's Kitab ut Tawhid. Please note this is not so. Secondly, on p63, the differences that are listed cannot be considered minor as they relate to many core beliefs on which the wahabis and deobandis differ especially on the nature of God's attributes. The deobandis have not been influenced by the wahabist movement. They have on occasion jokingly declared themselves wahabis, because Wahab is one of Allah's Ninety Nine names. It means The Liberal Bestower, The Giver of Gifts. They were claiming their closeness to God and not declaring their affiliation to the Wahabi movement.
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I have invited three other editors and announced my intention to do so here. Regards, Fowler&fowler «Talk» 22:37, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
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Dear MV
Just wanted to say a few things. About Afghans here is what Afghans actually consider or use for themselves: It is an ethnicity of people. That ethnicity is called Afghan. (e.g. Irish). They speak Pashto/ Pukhto therefore they call themselves Pashtun/ Pukhtun as well. Difference between Pashto and Pukhto is only of dialects/ accents nothing else. Indian usually call them Pathan. Those of them living in Pakistan are called Pakistani Afghans/ Pashtuns/ Pukhtuns. A person of any ethnicity and citizen of country Afghanistan therefore should be called Afghanistani, not Afghan. An Uzbek citizen of Afghanistan should rightly be called Uzbek Afghanistani not Afghan. A Pashtun of Afghanistan should rightly be called an Afghan or Pashtun Afghanistani.
To us Pastuns this usage is very clear, we follow it as we have for centuries and as is also in our literature. Pick any Pashto book and you will know I am right.
The problem is due to Westerners like you, to be honest you guys have messed it all up for us. I mean messed up all the terminology. Not only that, you guys keep on pushing for these wrong terms to be used universally.
I dont think you are going to listen to me, since most western literature is filled with these errors to the point that it is now an accepted wrong (/term).
However I would be interested in what you have to say. Thanks.
Dr Pukhtunyar Afghan ( talk) 17:24, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
Thank you so much for editing the page for Susan Burke. I am new to creating articles here and you have been very helpful. Thanks! - Sasha
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I PROD'd this because WP seems to be getting a tonne of users who dump an essay and don't do anything. I'd be great if you could guide this user into making an article out of it. Cheers, Matthew Thompson talk to me bro! 02:49, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
Please either expand on your contention that the above article is written like an essay and is not in an appropriate style or remove the tag. Tomintoul ( talk) 14:59, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
Hi Matthew. You might want to consider becoming a Teahouse host! :) SarahStierch ( talk) 15:49, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
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Tahnk you for your input. The article seesm to be getting nicely rounded out. How does one add photos. These appear under a Google image search so there should be no copyright issue. I have looked at steps to place things under ' commons ' but must be doing something wrong. Here are 3 pictures that appear on Google's immage search and would make sense to have. If you can help or provide feedback it woulod be much appreciated.
The Vimy Foundation logo — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nicholas Powell ( talk • contribs) 20:01, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
Hello MatthewVanitas, I hope you are doing well. I know you have followed the Barelvi page at times. I don't want to get into an edit war, or violate the three-revert rule so I wonder if you could please take a look at the page and its recent edits. In my view, another editor has missed the point about how best to deal with contrary views. Thanks and regards, George Custer's Sabre ( talk) 07:19, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for your comments on my "Point Shooting" recon request.
I thought this had been dropped.
I since filing it, have followed the directions of one of the editors/watchers who police articles, and included my inputs on the Point Shooting article re: the sub-subject of AIMED Point Shooting or P&S which I weighted down heavily with footnotes in support of them.
I may not like that as the best solution, but it's OK, and as editing can go on for years as I understand the situation. I'll leave that for those who come after me, as I will be dead in a few years as I am 77 and have had two heart attacks and a major surgery as well.
My purpose is to provide factual, historical, and documented information re point shooting for use by police and others that can inform/help them in understanding close quarters life threat situations, and not getting shot and/or killed in them.
One may say that is a thinly veiled argument for doing this or that.
On the other hand just detailing what is currently taught and done re shooting, is also an argument for doing that which is now done, and which has been taught to millions for over 100 years, and which has never been documented by pics or videos of ever having been used in a close quarters life threat situation where there is the greatest chance of one being shot and killed. Bizarre but true. And presenting it without scientific documentation, plus contrasting and documented scientific information is closely akin to supporting witchcraft via encylopedic presentation.
Not so long ago back in the olden days, presenting scientifically supported facts that went against the dogma and powers that be, was considered argumentive, and had real and dire consequences.
For example, in the late 1500's, the dogma was that the sun revolved around the earth.
So, when Gioedano Bruno suggested that the sun and planets were just one of many similar systems, that space was boundless, and that there might be other worlds inhabited by beings equal or possible superior to ourselves, he became a persona non grata.
Gioedano Bruno was tried by the Inquisition, condemned, and burned at the stake on February 17,1600. And his works were banned by the Church in 1603.
In 1633, Galileo Galilei was forced to his knees in front of his betters, and under the threat of torture and death, he renounced all belief in the Copernican theory which held that the Earth revolved around the Sun. His sentence was life under house arrest.
Things are not now as they were then, but suppression is still suppression.
Since you have an interest in military history, here's a link to my site www.pointshooting.com
You may find some of the articles and particularly those dealing with the chronology of Point Shooting and the design flaw of the 1911 of interest. There is also presented an article on the C96 which was used extensively by the Chinese.
This is a link to my latest article on the propagation of Sight Shooting which I consider to be "snake oil" for the masses: http://www.pointshooting.com/1aratten.htm
FYI: For the past 22 years, Police Officers have been shot and killed at the rate of one every seven days, and thousands are wounded each and every year. And the FBI, Police Trainers, Agencies, and Gun Makers don't seem to care, as most still train their charges to use Sight Shooting, even though it isn't or can't be used in most all real Close Quarters life threat situations where there is the greatest chance of being shot and/or killed.
I also am removing past talk comments from my talk pages, as I don't wish to "argue" this or that, or publish the misguided, negative and unfootnoted thoughts about this or that which one receives from the WIKI security forces. :-)
Thanks again for your responses. They are appreciated, and I thank you for taking your time to present them.
Best regards,
John Veit 5shot ( talk) 02:12, 1 October 2012 (UTC) 5shot ( talk) 02:14, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for the comments you added to my talk page on Oct 1.
I'll leave them up for review, and will review them several times. I'll also research the WIKI how-to-write info sources again. Some times it takes a few tries to assimilate how-to-do-information and carry it out.
As to drama, some people in the world of the gun, particularly Sight Shooting zealots, take considerable offense at "those" who present info and facts on Point Shooting.
I have been one of "those" since 1998, and often times have been verbally beaten about the head and shoulders, and banned but not burned at the stake, by my "betters" in the polite society. :-)
Thanks again, and best regards,
John Veit 5shot ( talk) 22:40, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
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June 3, 2012.
Dear Mr. MatthewVanitas, Greetings, Please see what has happened to article "Khudabadi Sindhi Swarankar". I do not how to put back the original article. The present short version do not explain the ancient view of the community. You and me had work hard to shape the article. I request you top please try put back the original version. Thanks 180.215.181.122 ( talk) 07:18, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
Matthew: When I get a chance, I'll go back through and tag the sources used in Kanklės. The external links at the end of the article are where most of the information came from. I saw the new Baltic psaltery article; do you think Gusli belongs there? -- Theodore Kloba ( talk) 18:04, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
As per your suggestion dated 9 April 2012 on Nair article talk page “that the etymology section is too short to be a standalone section as-is, unless we can restore more of the etymology theories”. We are trying to brainstorm a consensus into how can we improve the etymology section under section titled “Suggestions invited for improving etymology section of the article”. Do you have any pointers ?
VS Vettakkorumakansnehi ( talk) 16:52, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
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Desr User:MatthewVanitas, I hope you are well. I am having trouble keeping the page on Badshah Munir Bukhari neutral, accurate and referenced. Another editor (whom a third editor accuses of being the subject of the article) seems intent on writing hyperbole and misinformation despite the sources. For example, he re-inserts the PhD title even though the University webpage linked on the page attributes to him MA qualifications and lists him as Mr. I have inserted notability and deletion recommendation templates. He has removed these. I do not know if the editor is the subject of yhe article himself. But the edits are contrary to WP:BLP guidelines. Is there any chance you could please take a quick look? Is there a forum this should be taken to? Thank you very much. Yours sincerely George Custer's Sabre ( talk) 07:46, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
i would like you opinion here, [1] .-- altetendekrabbe 15:10, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
Your comment is invited here - AshLey Msg 09:01, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
Your comment is invited at Talk:Higonokami, because you wrote the article in the first place. DS ( talk) 18:10, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
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Hi Mathew I suspect this user is in effect this and this user who are trying to block evade. Thanks SH 16:58, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
Yes this and this are same. User:bharat42. —Preceding undated comment added 17:44, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
Dear Matthew and SH – Earnestly speaking, the idea was only to add to the existing page, may be in the shape of ‘spiritual ideology’ or ‘history which was missing, or community service which was untouched. I agree with both of you, that due to lack of familiarity with ‘WIKI policies’, some deviations might have crept in, but that can always be improved with your support, as long as the intentions are good. Being senior members, your support can always go a long way.
And one more submission, that Bharat42 and myself are not same, and there is absolutely no intention to do anything tnat is not constructive. I hope you will take my words. Thanks and Regards. -- LoveMankind talk 08:57, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
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I'm afraid I can't find any explanation of the difference - you don't by any chance have access to the relevant volume of Garland? In ictu oculi ( talk) 23:32, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
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Have a look: [4]. Drmies ( talk) 19:14, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
Hello!! Matthew. I just saw your tweak & comments in edit section - well thanks for comment well written article. However, your concern about name - Kutch Gurjar Kshatriya. I just did a goggling in Gujarati text both using word કચ્છ ગુર્જર ક્ષત્રિય [6] and also કચ્છ ગુર્જર ક્ષત્રિય મિસ્ત્રી [7]and you can see there are many news published with the name Kutch Gurjar Kshatriya. The second search of Kutch Gurjar Kshatriya & Mistri word combined also gave results confirming some news articles that both are synonyms of each other. For example [8], [9]. Other news items are also there like someone from their community getting best teacher award by President of India [10] and in news item dated 7/6/2011 saying new President by name Manilal Chawda of their community was elected at Nagpur, where representatives of 127 units of Kutch Gurjar Kshatriya from all over India were present to caste their vote - [11]. As Gujarati is my mother tongue I have not used Goggle translation. Further, when I created the article, the first online page about the community I found was [12] but it was later removed since india9.com is not acceptable source at Wiki. Also found one Times of India news item [13] - HC raps mgmt of Gurjar Kshatriya Samaj at Gondia saying that the Gurjar Kshatriya Samaj is a very old social institution with a membership of around 1,000, mostly former residents of Kachh (Gujrat).
I hope this clarifies your genuine doubt about article name Kutch Gurjar Kshatriya. Regards. Jethwarp ( talk) 05:37, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
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Hi! I just got an edit conflict while updating the quality of the article Diana Penty in its talk page. Then I saw you just did that! That's so rare coincident, statistically speaking!!-- Dwaipayan ( talk) 16:17, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
hi I am a new wikipedia user, and i have a flickr account where i have some grate photos of Afghanistan 9http://www.flickr.com/photos/kohistan/) and i would like to post them on to wikimedia commons. it will be grate if you could help me through it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Khatary1 ( talk • contribs) 17:05, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
Hi , there is a principle of weight and undo. Thank you-- Khodabandeh14 ( talk) 15:48, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
Matthew. Thanks for your help and I understand you have good intention.. but I have been in Wikipedia for 5-6 years and have dealt with constant Turkish nationalism vandalism on Scythians, Medes, various Persian poets, Saladin..etc. This is a country that everyone (even Kurdish childeren are forced) recite: "Happy is he who was born a Turk" every morning and has commited the Armenian, Greek and Assyrian Genocide. Imagine if Black children in the US were forced to say: "Happy is he who is born white". With the exception of Ba'athist Iraq (now defunct), I do not think any other country teaches nationalism at such a young age in the Near East. Many of these users showup as new accounts but they are all recurring users. Even a look at Turkish Wikipedia right now under Scythians or Saladin etc. It does not confirm to mainstream viewpoint. See similar pattern of vandalism in Saladin (who is Kurdish in mainstream scholarship). So the frustration is nothing new..although I am happy at least they are pestering about Rumi..I feel more upset for the Armenians who were wiped out physically and this simple fact is being denied by Turkish nationalists. Hundreds of millions (if not Billions) have been spent on denying that fact (so I am sure they can spend several millions trying to fool gullible users). Not a single one of the Turkish users active in Wikipedia can read Rumi and understand him.. They all constantly repeat the same cliche arguments which I have responded too. At least with Rumi..it is a cultural object and history cannot be changed. Heck, one in the end will need the Persian language to access him. As I said I feel more sad for the Armenians and Armenian genocide article..that has to deal with this cruft. Thanks -- Khodabandeh14 ( talk) 01:12, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
That is quite rude, and I think you are behaving poorly towards someone who is genuinely attempting to improve the article. I can appreciate that it is upsetting dealing with Turkish nationalist bowlderising of history, but you're allowing your frantic "defense" of the article to render the lede into unhelpful junk, whose legibility is compromised by poor organisation, and whose credibility is hampered by clearly argument-based over-footnoting as seen in the worst debate articles. I've put extensive work into dealing with caste-based POV issues in Indian articles, and had hoped to apply some of the technical skills (not even claiming subject expertise, just experience in concise ledes) to this article, but clearly you're unwilling to accept neutral help, and are too quick to see "a Turk behind every tree" to calm down and actually work to improve the article.
Fine, I'm struggling to maintain a massive watchlist of high-tamper Indian caste articles as it is, and I have better things to do than to waste my time where on an article where basic cleanup gets me labeled as a Turcophile by a group that, quite frankly, doesn't come across as totally neutral on the Iranian issue either. I hope you can actually put some thought into the improvements I proposed and somehow arrive at a lede that actually helps inform readers. MatthewVanitas ( talk) 02:40, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
Mathew, my main concern in this case is first and foremost, the integrity of Wikipedia as a reliable source of information. Rumi's background is of no consequence to me, but he was indeed a Persian, my stand on this is a principled one, and I have in the past defended a Turkish scholar's background when some Arab nationalist tried to claim him using fringe sources, and I also defended Nader Shah's Turkic background, when some Iranian nationalists tried to remove it. This issue is not different for me. Wikipedia is not a place for nationalist glory-hunting, that's all that matters to me. I know that you also care about Wikipedia's integrity. So I hope you understand my concerns. Regards. Kurdo777 ( talk) 03:55, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
Hi Matthew..I put the three recommendations you mentioned in the lead. I agree with Lysozym above. Thanks. -- Khodabandeh14 ( talk) 21:48, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
Heated discussion on the renaming of this article. Maybe the article is not very interesting in itself but there is quite an example of a debate on the principle of naming conventions on its talk page. Everybody most welcome. -- E4024 ( talk) 15:36, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
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Hi, thanks for making the pages bettter, the only thing we need to correct is that, they call themselves 'Puar's. and all three families are Marathas who descended from the Rajput Paramaras. Keep up the good work. check this out - — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dcoda89 ( talk • contribs) 13:38, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
Hello there. I am new to wikipedia editing. In fact the above mentioned article is the first article I have ever edited. Please accept my apologies if I have not followed the rules, but I didn't really know how to edit or save my changes and hence kept submitting thinking there was a problem with my browser or login. Having said this, I am happy to see that the 'cash for fatwa' section is not visible today. I see no reason to leave something so defaming on an article unless an alternate view is also presented or at least an update is given. Secondly, there is the section on beliefs which states that the deobandis were influenced by the Wahabi movement. I feel this to be an incorrect statement. I also posted a link to an OFFICIAL SOURCE (i.e. deoband.org: about us) mentioning that THEY DO NOT DECLARE any such influence but it keeps getting removed. Can I ask why?. I also urge you to look at:
1) http://www.darululoom-deoband.com/english/aboutdarululoom/the_tack.htm
2) http://www.darululoom-deoband.com/english/aboutdarululoom/school_of_thought.htm
The Global Encyclopedia states that Taqwiyatul Iman is a translation of Ibnul Wahab's Kitab ut Tawhid. Please note this is not so. Secondly, on p63, the differences that are listed cannot be considered minor as they relate to many core beliefs on which the wahabis and deobandis differ especially on the nature of God's attributes. The deobandis have not been influenced by the wahabist movement. They have on occasion jokingly declared themselves wahabis, because Wahab is one of Allah's Ninety Nine names. It means The Liberal Bestower, The Giver of Gifts. They were claiming their closeness to God and not declaring their affiliation to the Wahabi movement.
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I have invited three other editors and announced my intention to do so here. Regards, Fowler&fowler «Talk» 22:37, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
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Dear MV
Just wanted to say a few things. About Afghans here is what Afghans actually consider or use for themselves: It is an ethnicity of people. That ethnicity is called Afghan. (e.g. Irish). They speak Pashto/ Pukhto therefore they call themselves Pashtun/ Pukhtun as well. Difference between Pashto and Pukhto is only of dialects/ accents nothing else. Indian usually call them Pathan. Those of them living in Pakistan are called Pakistani Afghans/ Pashtuns/ Pukhtuns. A person of any ethnicity and citizen of country Afghanistan therefore should be called Afghanistani, not Afghan. An Uzbek citizen of Afghanistan should rightly be called Uzbek Afghanistani not Afghan. A Pashtun of Afghanistan should rightly be called an Afghan or Pashtun Afghanistani.
To us Pastuns this usage is very clear, we follow it as we have for centuries and as is also in our literature. Pick any Pashto book and you will know I am right.
The problem is due to Westerners like you, to be honest you guys have messed it all up for us. I mean messed up all the terminology. Not only that, you guys keep on pushing for these wrong terms to be used universally.
I dont think you are going to listen to me, since most western literature is filled with these errors to the point that it is now an accepted wrong (/term).
However I would be interested in what you have to say. Thanks.
Dr Pukhtunyar Afghan ( talk) 17:24, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
Thank you so much for editing the page for Susan Burke. I am new to creating articles here and you have been very helpful. Thanks! - Sasha
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I PROD'd this because WP seems to be getting a tonne of users who dump an essay and don't do anything. I'd be great if you could guide this user into making an article out of it. Cheers, Matthew Thompson talk to me bro! 02:49, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
Please either expand on your contention that the above article is written like an essay and is not in an appropriate style or remove the tag. Tomintoul ( talk) 14:59, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
Hi Matthew. You might want to consider becoming a Teahouse host! :) SarahStierch ( talk) 15:49, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
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Tahnk you for your input. The article seesm to be getting nicely rounded out. How does one add photos. These appear under a Google image search so there should be no copyright issue. I have looked at steps to place things under ' commons ' but must be doing something wrong. Here are 3 pictures that appear on Google's immage search and would make sense to have. If you can help or provide feedback it woulod be much appreciated.
The Vimy Foundation logo — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nicholas Powell ( talk • contribs) 20:01, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
Hello MatthewVanitas, I hope you are doing well. I know you have followed the Barelvi page at times. I don't want to get into an edit war, or violate the three-revert rule so I wonder if you could please take a look at the page and its recent edits. In my view, another editor has missed the point about how best to deal with contrary views. Thanks and regards, George Custer's Sabre ( talk) 07:19, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for your comments on my "Point Shooting" recon request.
I thought this had been dropped.
I since filing it, have followed the directions of one of the editors/watchers who police articles, and included my inputs on the Point Shooting article re: the sub-subject of AIMED Point Shooting or P&S which I weighted down heavily with footnotes in support of them.
I may not like that as the best solution, but it's OK, and as editing can go on for years as I understand the situation. I'll leave that for those who come after me, as I will be dead in a few years as I am 77 and have had two heart attacks and a major surgery as well.
My purpose is to provide factual, historical, and documented information re point shooting for use by police and others that can inform/help them in understanding close quarters life threat situations, and not getting shot and/or killed in them.
One may say that is a thinly veiled argument for doing this or that.
On the other hand just detailing what is currently taught and done re shooting, is also an argument for doing that which is now done, and which has been taught to millions for over 100 years, and which has never been documented by pics or videos of ever having been used in a close quarters life threat situation where there is the greatest chance of one being shot and killed. Bizarre but true. And presenting it without scientific documentation, plus contrasting and documented scientific information is closely akin to supporting witchcraft via encylopedic presentation.
Not so long ago back in the olden days, presenting scientifically supported facts that went against the dogma and powers that be, was considered argumentive, and had real and dire consequences.
For example, in the late 1500's, the dogma was that the sun revolved around the earth.
So, when Gioedano Bruno suggested that the sun and planets were just one of many similar systems, that space was boundless, and that there might be other worlds inhabited by beings equal or possible superior to ourselves, he became a persona non grata.
Gioedano Bruno was tried by the Inquisition, condemned, and burned at the stake on February 17,1600. And his works were banned by the Church in 1603.
In 1633, Galileo Galilei was forced to his knees in front of his betters, and under the threat of torture and death, he renounced all belief in the Copernican theory which held that the Earth revolved around the Sun. His sentence was life under house arrest.
Things are not now as they were then, but suppression is still suppression.
Since you have an interest in military history, here's a link to my site www.pointshooting.com
You may find some of the articles and particularly those dealing with the chronology of Point Shooting and the design flaw of the 1911 of interest. There is also presented an article on the C96 which was used extensively by the Chinese.
This is a link to my latest article on the propagation of Sight Shooting which I consider to be "snake oil" for the masses: http://www.pointshooting.com/1aratten.htm
FYI: For the past 22 years, Police Officers have been shot and killed at the rate of one every seven days, and thousands are wounded each and every year. And the FBI, Police Trainers, Agencies, and Gun Makers don't seem to care, as most still train their charges to use Sight Shooting, even though it isn't or can't be used in most all real Close Quarters life threat situations where there is the greatest chance of being shot and/or killed.
I also am removing past talk comments from my talk pages, as I don't wish to "argue" this or that, or publish the misguided, negative and unfootnoted thoughts about this or that which one receives from the WIKI security forces. :-)
Thanks again for your responses. They are appreciated, and I thank you for taking your time to present them.
Best regards,
John Veit 5shot ( talk) 02:12, 1 October 2012 (UTC) 5shot ( talk) 02:14, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for the comments you added to my talk page on Oct 1.
I'll leave them up for review, and will review them several times. I'll also research the WIKI how-to-write info sources again. Some times it takes a few tries to assimilate how-to-do-information and carry it out.
As to drama, some people in the world of the gun, particularly Sight Shooting zealots, take considerable offense at "those" who present info and facts on Point Shooting.
I have been one of "those" since 1998, and often times have been verbally beaten about the head and shoulders, and banned but not burned at the stake, by my "betters" in the polite society. :-)
Thanks again, and best regards,
John Veit 5shot ( talk) 22:40, 1 October 2012 (UTC)