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Restored, per your comments on my talk page. Please urgently add at least a claim to notability - the lack of one is why it was speedied in the first place. -- Dweller 10:12, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
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I have removed your 3O request, because there are more than two parties involved in this dispute. If you wish to pursue some form of DR, I recommend that you follow the RFC process. Adrian M. H. 18:31, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
Stop adding {{ fact}} and other tags to the article of John Howard – Wikipedia's policy on biographies of a living person clearly states "Unsourced or poorly sourced contentious material — whether negative, positive, or just questionable — about living persons should be removed immediately and without discussion from Wikipedia articles". – sebi 05:10, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
I've blocked you for 48 hours for 3RR and edit warring on John Howard. Sarah 05:11, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
The page wasn't protected so I removed the template. Simple as that. Cheers, JetLover (talk) 23:53, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
Lester2,
The initial concern certainly seemed to be the fact-tagging, and I hope you noted that I indicated that some of the facts considered 'obvious' certainly needed citation or they could be removed. About the deletion of content while discussion is ongoing, it is certainly considered inappropriate to delete without discussion. I would not concern myself too much with a reminder not to fragment discussion. If you feel an article is problematic, requesting an RfC is fine; a wikiquette alert is about user behaviour, not article behaviour. Indeed, you could report the problem to the talkpage of WP:AUS - in a neutral tone, please - without violating any guidelines on centralized discussion. The RfC will continue as long as the page is listed. Editors will look in and add their suggestion; this will ensure that those disagreeing on the page will gain perspective how far their views reflect consensus. Hornplease 04:59, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
I don't know whether you know, but there was a previous attempt to add this to the article on John Howard which was stymied once it appeared that the matter could be construed as shedding unfavourable light on the Howard family. It was OK when it read "They also controlled significant land interests in Papua New Guinea which had been granted to his family as a result of service in World War II. (sic)" See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:John_Howard/Archive_3#Papua_New_Guinea_Land_Grab. The immediately preceding stuff on the talk page on Howard's appearance on the Jack Davey radio show is also instructive regarding some of the POV warriors. It was welcome in the article while a positive spin was put on it, but it immediately became unwelcome when a complete transcript showed Howard in a less positive light.
It is worth having a look back through the previous talk page material (including the archived stuff) as there are some hidden gems in there. AussieBoy 06:13, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
You have been accused of sockpuppetry. Please refer to Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Lester for evidence. Please make sure you make yourself familiar with notes for the suspect before editing the evidence page. Prester John -( Talk to the Hand) 23:49, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
I've closed the case as the checkuser result was unlikely and I can't seen any compelling evidence that would warrant further investigations. Sarah 02:37, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
I noticed it was an anniversary today and it seemed a shame to leave it as a red link - the article needs work as it was an important battle for Australians: not just because of the Howard connection - also three Victoria Crosses and a significant set back for the Germans ... Thanks for your comments though - it is nice when one's efforts are acknowledged. Regards -- Golden Wattle talk 00:59, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
I sent an email to the email address you used to email me about your block. I just forwarded some of the articles that I found on factiva last night...I don't know if there's any that you haven't seen yet, but we can use non-online sources like articles and books and such. His story seems to have been included in a book about the war, which would be good to use because that is outside the context of the John Howard biographies. Sarah 01:48, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
I'm not interested in tag teams or edit wars! All I did was restore to the current version as per the status of the discussion, the version I removed is similar to version I think is appropriate for the article but until consensus is established the current one should stay in place, because it is factual there isnt any liability concerns, the question is whether its relevant to JH. Gnan garra 04:57, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
Hello Vassyana. I had submitted the John Howard article for mediation Wikipedia:Requests_for_mediation/John_Howard, which was rejected. I noticed your signature at the bottom of the page, but there was no comment or recommendation on what to do next. I haven't been through a mediation process before, nor do I know what to do next.
There's disputed information in the article. Those who favor inclusion seem to be more willing to mediate. Those who want the information omitted seem to me to be less willing to mediate. There doesn't seem to be much room to compromise. Discussions are heated and personal. Edit wars are common. People get blocked routinely. It would have been nice to resolve it one way or the other just to put such a hot issue to rest.
What do you suggest to resolve an issue like this? -- Lester2 13:26, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
Lester, I'm not worried in the slightest about arbitration. Firstly, Vassyana is not an arbitrator (though Blnguyen is) and secondly, this is not an arbitrable case. It is a content dispute. It could very easily become a arbitrated case, however, if we wanted to obtain bans or topic bans on people who are bringing their political agendas to Wikipedia articles. What upsets me is that you are forum shopping, apparently looking for a particular response instead of showing some good faith and accepting what you have been told by numerous people, including those actually agree with you, who have asked you to give it a rest and move onto something else for the time being. And it also upsets me that you are making false and misleading claims all over the site. If you are sincere about editing the article within policy, you really should respond to the policy based comments that have been raised, instead of creating red-herrings and strawmen and then you would take up Gnangarra's offer to try to write this material in a way that fully meets WP:BLP, yet not one single person has made any real effort to attempt to do this. I can't help but wonder why people who claim to be attempting to write a NPOV article which isn't disparaging to the subject, don't simply take us up on that offer. I know that Brendan hasn't tried to because he won't be happy unless he can write it in a disparaging way, like he did the last time when he wrote that JH's recollection of his family as people with certain values, is "questioned" by Lyall's investment in legal copra plantations. Are you seriously arguing that that is consistent with WP:BLP and WP:NPOV?
I don't really know what you mean about bots. I don't have any bots and you shouldn't run bots without getting permission from the Bot permissions group because if they malfunction, they can cause a lot of damage. I saw your edit on Vassyana's page when I looked at your recent contribs after I saw you on the Village Pump misleading people and giving them false information. I wasn't refreshing your contribs either manually or with a bot, I simply clicked on your name. I don't know if that answers your question or not, but I don't advise you to start running any bots on your account or you will most likely be blocked indefinitely.
I don't have anything against you personally and I found you quite reasonable to edit with on the Lyall Howard article, but you concern me very much as you seem to be completely singularly focused to the point of being obsessed with getting your own way. Meanwhile, you seem blinded to the fact that ignoring both pro- and anti-inclusion people when they tell you the same thing about having a break and editing something else for awhile, is only making the situation worse. If you do not have political motivations for editing, I don't understand the complete focus with regard to these edits and this article. Have you looked at your own contributions? You are looking like a single purpose account as you very rarely edit outside this topic. Have a look at any of the other involved editors contributions and you will see how dramatically single purpose you and Brendan look; this would really go against both of you and likely result in at a minimum, a topic ban at both the Community Sanctions Noticeboard and arbitration. Please consider respecting everyone's wish that you give us a break and go and do something else on other unrelated articles for a little while. Sarah 17:44, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
Read this reference. [4], in fact read any of the references in the David Hicks article and try to find any one who says he was part of the Taliban and trained with Al Qaeda. Hicks writes home about it. Prester John -( Talk to the Hand) 04:23, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
You might be interested in Prester John "getting back" at you by reverting your edits in unrelated pages, see:
-- 71.141.143.66 08:23, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
Please be sure to avoid capitalization in headings as with article titles, e.g. See also not See Also. Cheers. Richard001 23:43, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
Congrats! -- Espresso Addict 15:59, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
Hi, Lester!
Can I make a small suggestion? I think I understand what you are trying to do, but you must be finding it all very frustrating. Believe me, I've been there two years ago. Can I suggest that instead of making an edit loaded down with opinion, that I'm going to look at and immediately revert, you try writing something that I might grumble over privately, but I can live with.
For example, I really don't mind mentioning in various articles that children of asylum-seekers were detained. It's factual, it's an area of concern, it's something that resonates. But when you make an edit that is loaded down with words like "incarcerated", uses opinion pieces as sources, and either doesn't present a complete picture or implies something that is not true, then you are setting yourself up for conflict and disruption, because naturally those with other views are going to respond in order to prevent the article becoming unbalanced.
If an article is reasonably stable, that's a good indication that all editors are reasonably happy with it. Adding something that is contentious, even if it is something that you feel very strongly about, is probably altering a balance that has already been thrashed out.
A good approach would be to present your evidence for making an edit to an established article. Make your case ahead of time, present a good unbiased source, illustrate how the existing article is deficient. Perhaps suggest some wording. If nobody raises any valid objections, then that's a good indication that your edit won't be reverted.
I hope you don't want to spend all your wikitime edit-warring and wikilawyering and arguing around and around, because I don't. But the way you are going, you are eventually going to wear out the patience of those occupying the middle ground, and when that happens you are going to find life here very difficult indeed. -- Pete 02:21, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
And using 'Lesters' logic, it implies that he is a member of a political party. Shot info 03:29, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
Ha. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. Check Lester's contribution's and see how many are related to me. Even admin's have accussed him of stalking me. The problem with this dude is that he can't even recognise what a personal attack is. In examples like the one above, he construes arguments against his logic used and edits made as attacks against his person. Prester John -( Talk to the Hand) 17:30, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
Lester, you don't have to retain malignant comments on your talkpage if you don't wish. You're free to delete/revert edits to your talkpage. It is your talkpage, after all. Relatedly, it's quite amazing that Prester should accuse you of stalking, given his userpage at User:Prester John/Evidence where, among other links, he maintains a diff to both your and my IP address respectively; and given the massive ANI page at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents/User:Timeshift9 trying to "out" User:Prester John documenting his numerous transgressions. -- Brendan [ contribs ] 11:56, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
Re the original post - I have to say this is pretty good advice, regardless of what your opinion may be of its giver. It's a lot easier to edit here if you start by having a neutral tone and an editor's eye for what should be in, what should be out. In a project like WP Politics it's a given that we'll have active members of parties - the interest range is narrow and the political class are the only people who care on such things most of the time. However, I take a strong line against in-role party editing, or editing which solely or narrowly reflects that party's views and not the goals of the encyclopaedia (NPOV in particular). Orderinchaos 23:58, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
Thank you for the message on my talk page, but no, there is no 'edit war' and to ensure the matter did not devolve to that point I took the discussion to the relevant project page - WP:RL - and it had already been resolved before your warning was issued. I note that the other party to the supposed 'edit war' was not also issued with a warning. ~ Florrie • talk • 06:03, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the vid - a few interesting expressions, but he said nothing that I didn't already know or that surprised me... he's very predictable. Timeshift 06:31, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
Hi Lester, That latest edit is probably valid, however the supporting link seems to be to an incorrect Age article. I think you might have mixed up URLs. Just a heads up. Shot info 01:11, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
For your advice. Alans1977 02:16, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
I didn't say you didn't use the talk pages. Rather, for contentious topics using the talk page doesn't entitle one to immediately go and make any edit. People should wait for the response and work towards a solution. Talk page comments doesn't mean one can immediately return to edit warring. regards -- Merbabu 11:20, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
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I've linked to them in all federal election result tables! IRV in the lower, STV GV in the upper. Timeshift ( talk) 00:57, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
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Thanks for those links - quite interesting.
The ABC site appears to be just predictions, as they've got six winners marked even in states like Queensland and Victoria, which are extremely close and most definitely won't be known until the final distribution of preferences in a couple of weeks. I'd be a little bit careful about taking the one newspaper article either - I've noticed several papers jumping the gun and calling seats that are way too close to call on actual figures (for instance news.com.au just called La Trobe for Labor, which really won't be known for sure until every vote is counted). This is why I'm wary about calling the results of the fifth and sixth seats, and have only added those that have gotten a quota on primaries to Members of the Australian Senate, 2008-2011 - I don't want us to have to change the results later, which we've had to do before.
That said, I think the results in WA, SA, NSW and Tas are probably pretty set from the psephological commentary I've read, and I think we might be safe to add these pretty soon if a few papers start calling those results as certain. Rebecca ( talk) 01:08, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
I came across this, and in the spirit of USA Congressional staff edits to Wikipedia, you might want to create an article cited with this type of reference? Timeshift 07:58, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
I have commented on this discussion as requested basically endorsing your page move. I see nothing to suggest you did not follow the correct procesdure for moving the article during an AFD. I won't comment on keeping or deleting the article to avoid any accusation of canvassing. Davewild 09:36, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
Lester, might I suggest, if you wish we (admins) would take action in response to your ANI complaints about Prester, that you consider removing your comment from the MfD for Prester's userpage and then in future staying away from similar issues concerning Prester that don't otherwise involve you? People who really are being cyberstalked go out of their way to avoid their stalker; they don't actively follow their "stalker" around looking for opportunities to engage them, make complaints or oppose them. You really make it impossible for us and I'm afraid that you are now pretty much in a "Cry Wolf" situation with many admins, particularly Australian admins and those who watch ANI. I urge you to refrain from commenting about Prester and involving yourself in discussions relating to him that don't otherwise involve you, stop checking his contributions and simply get on with your own business. If you were to do this and then come to a complaint with " clean hands" you would find admins were far more responsive and willing to take action. It was only a day or two ago that you melodramatically announced to ANI, "Help me, I'm being stalked" and complained that you were being stalked and harassed and that "It's horrible. It's bullying. No Wikipedian deserves this. Nobody. It is continuing, and I ask again for Admin assistance." Yet now here you are, following your "stalker", commenting on not just his userpage, but his username, and the articles he edits! If you really want one of us to act against Prester, then please stop doing this and stay away from him. Thank you for your consideration. Sarah 13:14, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for going around and doing this - a lot of these articles looked very messy beforehand. I'd been meaning to do it for days. Rebecca 23:04, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
Here. Cheers. Timeshift 15:37, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the heads up - there's quite a few of these pages that were never updated after the state election. I've updated it anyway - if you see any others, feel free to let me know. Rebecca ( talk) 01:25, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
But! What is the source?! :P Timeshift ( talk) 23:32, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Show me a reference that supports, not speculates that PNG had a direct influence on JH and his philosophies otherwise its just something that Lyall did and its already in the Lyall article. Gnan garra 01:06, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
Hi Daniel. I want to ask your advice on how content disputes are resolved, as you're familiar with mediation processes as well as the content involved (John Howard plantations). I'm just not familiar with the processes within Wikipedia. There is still reverting going on at the article. As you know, I submitted it for a Mediation Committee hearing, but because a couple of editors didn't wish to participate, it never got to mediation. In a case such as this, where there is no clear or decisive outcome (opinions are divided), how can it be settled in one way or another. It would be great to have a mediator to oversee a civil discussion and arrive at some compromise, but what does one do when some parties don't want to participate? Do you have any suggestions for a process to arrive at consensus? Thanks, Daniel, Lester 19:53, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
Firstly, sorry for the delay in responding. Yes, probably only the recently-involved parties, and then only those who would be considered the "most involved", not those who have commented once etc. Daniel 09:01, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
Just letting you know I finally responded on my talkpage. Cheers hamiltonstone ( talk) 12:14, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for your note - I hadn't been watching the article any more. I see fromt he history though that the controversy section under discussion and reversion in November was not professional, neutral or referenced. See this diff as an example. I htink it should be mentioned and referenced but in a neutral way. I think it is somewhat significant but certainly one has to watch WP:UNDUE - ie not giving it more weight than it merits. Can't attend to the research and form of words right now though I did have a link to an ABC profile in my talk page comment. Regards -- Matilda talk 05:12, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
Hoorah! Love the slideshow! :D Timeshift ( talk) 22:52, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
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I took the considered decision that nothing was achieved or gained for anybody involved, the thing had the potential to flare up once again once people come back from Christmas holidays, and no positive purpose could be served to the encyclopaedia by maintaining it. Orderinchaos 20:00, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
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Just as an FYI, I requested (and got) protection as the repeated POV pushing was really getting out of hand. I'll request unprotection (or you can if you like) if they discuss and reach consensus, or if they get bored and leave...:) Dihydrogen Monoxide ( party) 02:13, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
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I'd wait until the channel is actually rebranded as ABC1 – at the moment is still "ABC" or "Channel 2" until (supposedly) next week. The right time to change the brand in the article's Infobox is when the on-air identity of the channel has changed. SEO75 [ talk 02:08, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
I have been trying to edit the caption for the abc1 logo at the bottom of page however I made a few mistakes so reverted myself. Samualm ( talk) 05:57, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
Maybe you should try a checkuser to confirm the sockpuppetry (or prove otherwise). · AndonicO Hail! 09:46, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
Hi Lester, With regard to the Hicks opening par, it is not clear to me from your comment whether or not that you support the propsed wording. Of course you might in any case agree that it is an improvement from the current version? Wm ( talk) 09:27, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
Hi Lester - I noticed you commented on the deletion of an article on Steady Eddie. did you know that it already exists as Steady Eddy? Cheers, -- Ossipewsk ( talk) 23:52, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
Would you mind removing your comment from the project page and on to Rudd's page? Timeshift ( talk) 11:15, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
I wasn't disputing it, simply the wording. Timeshift ( talk) 12:23, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
Yes I'm already well aware of him messaging all and sundry. He has made all sorts of wild accusations against me and admins. He can't spell Labor though so already his impression of any expertise has been severely damaged. He admits that Roxon simply has a Jewish father rather than practising the Jewish faith herself, but seems to think that still equates to her religion. I've been accused of conspiring with admins, being anti-semitic, and other crap here. Frankly, i'm prepared to let the discussion speak for itself rather than going on any sort of counter-crusade myself. Timeshift ( talk) 11:57, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
Hi Lester, I think it's enough to just say "only former prime minister". You don't need to say "only living former prime minister" because no one expects the dead to rise and attend. ;) Somno ( talk) 03:20, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
There's a lot of material in there from December 2007 and we're in March 2008. I wasn't doing much on WP at that time, that's all. Perhaps you could break your commentary down a bit so that it relates more directly to the original claim made by Wm, and which has been endorsed by others? Eyedubya ( talk) 08:02, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
I have updated this article, with some newer news items on his activities. Perhaps this will help. Thanks for letting me know! mukerjee ( talk) 04:25, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
I understand your scepticism, and will offer you this.... First of note is I only have a few hours of access to a computer signal access per day, if that, so I can't overly read and reference everything at once. I've labeled the page with the correct template, and I'll work on it as time allows over the next few days. Please, allow the time for this to be done as per wikipedia:AGF. I'll get there. I've moved my work off of what could be considered (one of?) your pet project of HD DVD both to limit my time to expanding and properly referencing the CH-DVD page, and to rightfully keep the two articles separate. Reverting while I try to do all the things you ask for in referencing the project page make it hard, if not impossible to finish the work needed; and the page does need work. Lostinlodos ( talk) 14:00, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
Replied on my talk page. CIreland ( talk) 08:33, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
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Hi Lester! Just dropping by about some edit warring I noticed here. If you'd please be awesome and help me out; if someone (notably Skyring, because it seems you guys have a history) makes an edit you do not like, and you know they won't like it if you revert, don't revert. That way, I don't have to go around locking up pages. Instead, bring it to the person's attention, the talk page of the article, and/or me; that way we can reach a resolution. Reverting is practically useless in that he can undo it just as easily as you can do it; therefore, let's not edit war and instead let's reach a resolution. I don't know much about the history of this dispute, so if you could sum it up for me so I have an idea of what I'm mediating I'd appreciate that very much. Thanks! Have a great day, Master of Puppets Call me MoP! :) 05:43, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
I'm not sure i'm understanding what you're asking. The JH article was locked due to edit warring. Once the article was unlocked, people began to remove content again (ie: an admin who will remain nameless) despite a huge talkpage shitfight over it. Timeshift ( talk) 07:17, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
I've been waiting a long time to weave his example in to an argument... :D Timeshift ( talk) 02:11, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
Using [7] [8] [9] [10] in your RFC would be my recommendation. Timeshift ( talk) 05:01, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
I didn't vote b/c I thought it was clear what I thought and the aim was to seek editors who'd not already indulged in discussion. Eyedubya ( talk) 08:23, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
Lester, I'm not agreeing to this, for reasons stated in the RfM. However, if you can withdraw the case and submit a fresh one with only two names as the parties involved, everything the same, then I'll agree to mediation. I'd much rather find ways of working with you than in seeing the situation continue to distintegrate. If some of my guesses about you are correct, then you must be experiencing considerable frustration. I don't want to see useful articles deteriorate into POV, but neither do I want to cause you undue anguish. -- Pete ( talk) 18:46, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
Responding to your comments on my talk page. The RfM you initiated (with multiple participants) isn't going to proceed without my involvement, so I guess that's it. Let's see if we can prceed on good will alone.
Could you look over my comments here and rewrite the US relationship section, beginning with the material you used originally, expanding it significantly along the lines indicated, and ending with the Obama incident? The US relationship is genuinely significant, it deserves a longer section, and the Obama material would then be a legitimate part of it. You did an excellent job on the original material, in that your writing and research skills are a lot better than those of the regular contributors to the article. Writing an article by arguing over every bloody word isn't working: even if agreed wording is ultimately found, the result is very poor as far as prose goes. -- Pete ( talk) 04:45, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
Don't sell yourself short. After weeks of bickering, if you and I can co-operate on something and have it mutually satisfactory, I think anyone who disagrees is going to be out on a limb. I'm particularly nettled that your para on the US relationship was removed for what seems to be no good reason. You're a better writer of encyclopaedic prose than I, but if you feel disinclined, I'll have a go. WP:BOLD and WP:IAR are useful guidelines - basically they reward good work - we don't have to run everything past a committee. And having seen what the committee has so far produced, frankly it is embarrassing to see such poor writing on Wikipedia. -- Pete ( talk) 17:53, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
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I share your disappointment that the RfM did not proceed. I do not see edit warring going on though. I am actually very impressed with the conduct on the talk page (and of article edits) of those editors who are still around discussing the issues. While the conversation does not feel as though it is progressing very fast I believe it is progressing. I seriously do believe that some of the way out is to have an article on the Howard Government and for some of the comments that people seek to include in the Howard article to be included in the more relevant articles on the topic - eg Immigration to Australia. Regards -- Matilda talk 21:35, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
its not for 3r its BLP thats the issue, Gnan garra 07:09, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
A number of reasons I suppose. The biggest of course is that he is no longer PM and this is no longer an election campaign. Pete is unfortunately obstinate, of course, but that's not a major factor. Truth be told, I don't edit very many Australian articles at the moment. My editing habits are a bit peripatetic. Slac speak up! 10:47, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
Sorry, I only meant to move my list. Not yours. -- Merbabu ( talk) 03:24, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
You seem to have used the term "edit war" quite often in article talk pages. For example recently . As I have mentioned before to you, article talk pages should focus on content rather than conduct. Conduct can be taken up with individual editors or on appropriate noticeboards - eg wp:3rr. It is my belief that your discussions in such terms contribute to the conduct issues rather than alleviate them. -- Matilda talk 02:12, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
Hi - he hadn't been welcomed yet. He won't therefore know about our policies (though mind you seems very adept for a "new" editor eg knows to use talk pages, signs his posts, ...). I have welcomed him which provides info about the policies and also warned him for conflict of interest based on his remarks about speaking to people after the launch. Watch WP:BITE :-) Thanks for escalating to WP:Aus politics. Regards -- Matilda talk 05:15, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
Take a look at the minority movement wanting to set up shop under Australia in New Right. Timeshift ( talk) 08:31, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
I disagree he was the least popular leader up until his time. Newspoll shows his lowest Preferred PM was 21%. I don't know if it got worse than this (as they don't include all historical poll results) but I do know Howard was in the teens during his first stint in the leadership. And 21% looks completely respectable nowadays! Timeshift ( talk) 03:22, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
What has changed - Howard is no longer PM. Howard's father does not meet notability criteria and I think that will be even more obvious now than it was withdrawn Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lyall Howard. If the prod does not survive I will list for AfD. as per my prod reasoning Wikipedia:Bio#Invalid_criteria: That person A has a relationship with well-known person B is not a reason for a standalone article on A. The AfD was withdrawn because there was some attempt to clean up the article. The article is clean but there sis till no independent notability conferred on the subject in my view. If he wasn't John Howard's father he would not have had an article. -- Matilda talk 01:28, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
Hmm, you could be right - I noticed his reversion because 1981 Springbok Tour is on my watchlist, and the section he removed from that article is indeed one which I recall User:Prester John arguing about a while back: see [11] [12] -- Stormie ( talk) 04:49, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
Yes tag any that you are confident of with
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You can tag the socks as soon as you see them. I am happy to act on anything if I am about but I am not here 24/7 :-) I suggest you seek help either at WP:AWNB which is on quite a few people's watchlists - including mine - and there wil be lots of takers to spring into action. Alternatively you could go to Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets, Wikipedia:Administrator intervention against vandalism (he is vandalising!) or Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents for help. I think it also a good idea to continue to note at Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/Prester John just in the form {{checkuser|Hypopostumus}} as you have been doing. I watch that page too.
Regards -- Matilda talk 21:34, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
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Hi thanks for letting me know, I am really ticked off that an article like this about a person that has done so much for the community can be deleted because a editor (used lightly) wants the page gone...as he said " That's why I'm a Labor voter and want this page gone" and then denies it in the next reply, I hope it works out but if it doesn't you can start the page again as a new page and not list him as a Politician bio, use one from in here Wikipedia:Notability (people). We all know he is notable and the page will be back soon. Thuringowacityrep ( talk) 06:43, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
To clarify his gross misrepresentation, what I actually said was that I was not pushing any POV, I said I was a Labor voter in defense. I would think a Labor voter would be more sympathetic to keeping this article. Perhaps I didn't even need to say that as I know I am not pushing any POV and don't need to defend my views, despite the OAM I still believe he is still NN, my view is just one of the many who voted it to be deleted, the OAM hasn't changed anyone's view that I can see. As one contributor said at the deletion review, this is not AfD part 2. Timeshift ( talk) 12:43, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
Hello, Gnangarra. I'm disappointed that revert wars have again broken out on the John Howard article. This is not the way to solve content disputes. It subverts the due processes of the talk page by the Wikipedia community. I don't think anyone believes the referenced content is pure vandalism. Therefore reverting is inappropriate. We know from experience with the hotbed Howard-related articles that when revert wars break out, there's no point everyone else discussing the content while reverting continues. We know there is a set Wikipedia process for content resolution disputes, and revert wars is not on the list of options.-- Lester 21:18, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
Hi Orderinchaos. You recently said in another post: "Wikipedia's consensus procedure holds that in order to add something contentious to a contested page, one has to obtain consensus on the talk page first". Does it really say that? Just curious. I'd be interested to know if that is the case. Regards, --
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(Cross-posted)
Thanks for the note on my page! Renee ( talk) 15:40, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
Well for an editor to say that was really in bad faith but I'm interesting in what they class as "Useless editors" since I've not seen any editor who is involved in the dispute being usless. All I see it as is typical political dispute between editors which can be rather useful but can be also unhelpful but not useless. Bidgee ( talk) 11:20, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
Firstly, thanks for your post - I realise you went to a lot of effort and thought with it. Oddly enough it's not so much my formal studies as my informal ones that have given me what I have - I use all the resources at my disposal, mostly the uni and State libraries, to educate myself on whatever takes my interest. This year it's been Queensland and Victorian local government, WA electoral and political history, and partially stemming from my actual studies, federalism and responsible government (as in the Westminster practice). I've had to revise stuff I learned in first year law school (that was as far as I got, by the way) as a fresh 17-year-old on how to note up legislation and all the various different bits and identifying the relevant case law, and then reading Hansard and contemporary newspapers to get more of a feel for how it came to take the shape it did. By the time I get to honours I should have a mine of stuff to draw on, as well as a hell of a lot of practical research experience. However, my present level of formal studies wouldn't look so impressive on knol :)
You were talking about community processes and a phenomenon which occurs in many areas I edit came to mind - people gravitate to where they want to edit, and some areas are either not attended at all, or only by one editor. In some of the areas I edit, community participation of any kind will probably never occur - I'm literally the only contributor, probably always will be, and struggle to find even people to give me second opinions on my own work. I know I'm far from the only person in this situation, as little pockets of content all over Wiki are being developed by individual contributors almost in isolation which form useful portals of knowledge for readers but attract negligible editing attention. One would hope the people developing that content in isolation have the competence to make it work, and are not pushing some party line or agenda. That, if you think about it, poses quite a danger as there's no checks or balances whateoever.
As for your comments regarding another editor, I resile from any claim that I have supported that user or their activities. I don't support users, I support what I believe to be right. In the particular situation we found ourselves in with the foreign editors, just as we have resisted efforts by people like Prester John to dictate to us what should be in an article which is owned by the community as a whole and not by any one editor, in this case we resisted an organised campaign - one of the most blatant and nasty I've ever seen on the Australian project beyond the usual suspects, in fact - to slant the article in a particular way. Sometimes a bit of toughness is required on that front. In the course of that, I found serious reasons to doubt one of the users had any good motive to be on Wikipedia at all. When in the bizarre situation where people's lifelong Wikienemies suddenly are fighting the same cause for the same reasons, opportunities open up to resolve other conflicts which previously existed. In essence, that's what I have been trying to encourage.
There comes a time when I have to think about my own role in the matter, and there is no way that I could use my extra tools on anything connected to the situation - no matter how or on who I used them I would be accused of partiality or involvement. I'm much better at trying to use my personality to try and resolve the long standing conflicts and use my political knowledge and academic skills to help improve the article. I think some people have been fighting for so long that the fact that the real enemy has gone the way of the dodo and we're still fighting their old battles has been completely missed. With this comes an opportunity - last week was the first time ever that I have seen editors in our environment actually talking to each other without using words like "winning" and "sides". In fact I think some (Surturz comes to mind here) were almost stunned that people they'd grown so used to as adversaries shared their own views so strongly when it came to this business. There's a lot that will be disagreed on, but if we could focus on building on our rather unusual foundation of mutual consideration, and try and make it something which can work at all or most time rather than simply when confronting a common enemy, the problems that have dogged this article for a year or more may be something we can look later on as historical. My personal goal, odd as it may be, is to see John Howard at FAC at some point future, with text everyone can agree on as fair. Orderinchaos 05:26, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for all your good work in attempting to raise the standard of behaviour on the Aus. political articles. I have added a comment to yours on Orderinchaos talk page. Cheers. I am completely snowed under at the moment by personal concerns but I would like to think that I can get back to it in some way at some time. Wm ( talk) 01:47, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for your comments - replied on my talk page -- Matilda talk 02:12, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
I'll see if I can find a copy, I did have one but it was 12 years ago so might be hard to find. -- Canley ( talk) 07:59, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for the tip, i'll remember it in future. I'm trying to learn how everything is set out but as you could imagine its quite confusing to a new user. Thank you! -- MattWT 09:56, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
Hi - you wrote to me (and similarly to others hence my reply here):
Hello Matilda. My own reading of the problems that plague the John Howard article is that wild disagreements start when someone deletes referenced content soon after it was added. I'm not concerned if someone deletes vandalism or unreferenced content. But if the content is referenced to a major reliable source, then it should be allowed to remain in the article until the community has made a decision about what to do with it. Do you think that is a good idea? When I think back on the major article content conflicts, most times it was not an argument about whether the facts were true or not. Instead the arguments were mainly about whether the fact is notable or relevant. For example, nobody disputed whether Howard criticised Obama, or whether Obama criticised Howard. By leaving the content in, it would exist for a few weeks until the community process is finished. That would usually just involve discussion, though for more controversial content, it may involve RfC and RfM. Yes, it is an involved process, but I think it should be given a go, rather than everyone deleting/reverting newly added content, and then fighting over the scraps like hyenas. Is it a good idea for everyone to agree not to quickly delete newly added well referenced content? --Lester 00:25, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
In the most recent skirmish there was questioning as to whether the Australian Broadcasting Corporation was indeed a reliable source. Some believed the material was a BLP violation, others merely thought it was undue weight. There seemed to be misunderstanding of what I as an editor was trying to achieve - which was that Howard was criticised for his role in the invasion of Iraq. In hindsight there was indeed a much better way to achieve that (and I think I have got there unreverted for nearly 20 hours! and at least one editor seems to agree with it [13] - the distinction being in this case That Australians largely appeared to have been against the war but Howard went in anyway is very important, and makes the other criticisms look trivial. ... inclusion of poll data to support this point ... contributes towards a much more mature article in comparison to a listing of “notable” criticisms and commentators.)
In contributing to the reverting I did not help. I think Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle which was suggested to me by Gnangarra is much better and I take that feedback on.
In thinking specifically about if the content is referenced to a major reliable source, then it should be allowed to remain in the article until the community has made a decision about what to do with it - it doesn't matter if the content is in or out as long as it is discussed until resolution is reached that it should be in or out.
I have suggested taking such matters off to sub-pages to let them be thrashed out and being very strict to discuss content and not conduct. An article RfC of course focuses on article content too so much the same effect.
My concern is the talk page got bogged down and very very hostile.
I still don't like the Obama comment being in - I think it is undue weight. Not everybody agrees with me though so ... ;-)
regards -- Matilda talk 00:42, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
Timeshift ( talk) 17:28, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
Well yes, I am of the affluent middle class, I live in an apartment in the CBD of Adelaide, and have a social conscience, and dislike Howard. It is more the social issues that makes me dislike the Liberal Party than anything else. If that makes me a socialist, well... :-) Timeshift ( talk) 07:40, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
Just thought i'd add a bit of commentary. Months in to Turnbull's leadership, it's been shown that the Liberal leader no longer controls the party, the party controls the leader. The Liberals wouldn't dare let the line be blurred. They are proud of their social conservatism and won't let Turnbull put his own policies in to place. Even if he is more socially left, his party won't let it show through policy, so to me, the Liberal Party is the same Liberal Party, whether it be run by Howard, Turnbull, or Mickey Mouse. Policy is controlled by the majority right of the party and will continue to be for the foreseeable future - Howard made sure of that. Timeshift ( talk) 05:54, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for that - I think the reference was on an edition of Compass on ABC; but doesn't matter for the moment. JRG ( talk) 03:57, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
Agreed unreferenced articles should be deleted. Probably renominating individual clubs is more likely to be successful than leagues.-- Grahame ( talk) 07:31, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
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Lester, I was not aware that Kevin Rudd placed “personal” importance on the LGBT issues, but that’s may well be my own ignorance. So, if it is indeed the case, then perhaps we need to say this in the article in place of the details of the politics. Can you provide such verification? Would be good. cheers
Do you understand my point about asserting notability? Do you agree? IMO, how much is said is less important than what is said. Indeed, say hypothetically that Rudd saw LGBT rights as the most important issue, then all the article needs to say is “Rudd considers LGBT rights are the most important issue facing the country, and the government proposed X, Y, and Z reforms”. Done, importance asserted short sharp and sweet. Who cares about the voting process?
Another example of just getting to the point rather than asserting importance by word count, is this section of the History of Indonesia article. Although I wrote this part, I now realise that the punchline is in the 4th paragraph: Ie, the coup and subsequent killings removed Sukarno’s largest pillar of support. Yet, I took 3 paragraphs to get there. While these events are one of the pivotal moments of modern Indonesia history, I took my time getting to the point, and even then it’s not that clear. It could do with some work, and I see parallels with the Rudd article. -- Merbabu ( talk) 03:54, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
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G'day Lester, thanks for your note. After a bit of digging around, I've come to the conclusion that I moved it because there were actually three notable Dennis Fergusons around the traps — our old mate who is the subject of your article; a (still-) sitting member of the Tennessee State Legislature; and one of the founders of Juniper Networks. Probably at the time I intended to contribute to articles on all three but in the end, for reasons that only my 2006 doppelganger can answer, I didn't follow through.
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Hi Lester. I'm a bit concerned about the notability of Spence, but since the article is actually quality (as opposed to "Such and such was the CEC candidate for Barwon in 1984"), I've raised it at WP:AUP and I'd love to hear your input. Thanks, Frickeg ( talk) 00:40, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
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Hey, no problem. I'm going to do some digging around and get the METAR in force at the time. Reports that heavy rain may have left a wet runway. Also trying to find details about the a/c involved. Maybe you could fix the bare urls? Mjroots ( talk) 08:28, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
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Please see User_talk:Jeff79#Deletion_of_.27See_also.27_sections.-- Jeff79 ( talk) 14:10, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
There's not much I can do here other than play whack-a-mole. These addresses are too spread apart to do a rangeblock, if they all even are hAl (I can tell without looking that third IP is almost certainly not, as it edits the wrong articles and hasn't edited at all since October). If you do have concerns of continued sockpuppetry, please open a formal WP:SPI case, or report them to WP:AIV for faster action. Posting addresses for me to check and/or block here is not entirely appropriate. Hersfold ( t/ a/ c) 00:47, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
Were you going to do something with the userspace draft you created? You haven't touched it in over two years. 98.248.41.72 ( talk) 08:45, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
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If you actually look at my changes, you'll see they're not a whitewash; they're more a correction of tone and grammar. My structure is also much more sensible. The article in its current condition is a mess; nothing more than a list of missing features. Critical reaction to these belongs in the Reception section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by CalumCookable ( talk • contribs) 12:25, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
I don't understand you - my changes really are relatively minor. All that's changed is some rephrasing and spelling/grammar correction and a few new nuggets of information. I haven't removed anything. Maybe it looks like it because I've done some restructuring. Maybe I shouldn't have gone ahead with the restructuring, but I can't understand all my changes, which I see as mainly corrections and making the text more lucid, going back to the old messy way just because I rearranged things a bit. —Preceding unsigned comment added by CalumCookable ( talk • contribs) 13:18, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
I will continue to maintain my improved version of the article and revert all your reverts until I am banned. Your obsession with keeping the article a mess is ridiculous. kthxbai CalumCookable ( talk) 16:10, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
Finally we are on the same page. Now we can start Finish the MAJOR overhaul of the article. BTW, thanks for "fight" and I am truly sorry for accusing you of being a troll.--
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Sources have been added. You might want to take another look. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ( Otters want attention) 03:26, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
I was just a little confused on what kind of ring-tones were talking about. Ringtones, as in OS built-in sounds that you can change, or something that user can customize (ie. add their own music/audio file and use that as their ring tone.) WP7 does support pre-loaded OS ringtones that you can change. But the way Windows Mobile handles ring tone-changing in the settings is as if it doesn't support the functionality out-of-the-box (being an actual Windows Mobile 6.5 user), but I guess the issue there is that Windows Mobile 6.x is the furthest thing from being user-friendly.
Also, I made a change about the SD cards. You can remove the SD Card physically but the data on the phone gets wiped out because MS engineered the OS to have one, unified file system for storage. I'm not sure that it makes sense to have it under that section because it was an engineering decision. Maybe it just needs to be shorted/simplified and re-worded.
And lastly, the part about Silverlight support in WM maybe incorrect. I noticed in the WP7 discussion page, you gave this Link to show that WM supports Silverlight. That was over 2 years ago and Silverlight was never natively implemented into any version of Windows Mobile, it was a project and it was canceled. Skyfire on Windows Mobile supports Silverlight playback, but you have to download a 3rd party app (Skyfire), which is not built-in to Windows Mobile as a native feature of the OS, and so the article potentially miscommunicates that Silverlight was a native feature of Windows Mobile when it actually wasn't, as told by a Microsoft employee on the official Silverlight message-boards. (And again, being an actual WM 6.5 user, IE Mobile 6 or any WM apps do not support Silverlight at all.)
Thanks for the feedback, though. Better than an editing war where we cant properly explain our actions ( and don't have enough room to write :) ). -- Interframe ( talk) 02:01, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
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Restored, per your comments on my talk page. Please urgently add at least a claim to notability - the lack of one is why it was speedied in the first place. -- Dweller 10:12, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
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I have removed your 3O request, because there are more than two parties involved in this dispute. If you wish to pursue some form of DR, I recommend that you follow the RFC process. Adrian M. H. 18:31, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
Stop adding {{ fact}} and other tags to the article of John Howard – Wikipedia's policy on biographies of a living person clearly states "Unsourced or poorly sourced contentious material — whether negative, positive, or just questionable — about living persons should be removed immediately and without discussion from Wikipedia articles". – sebi 05:10, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
I've blocked you for 48 hours for 3RR and edit warring on John Howard. Sarah 05:11, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
The page wasn't protected so I removed the template. Simple as that. Cheers, JetLover (talk) 23:53, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
Lester2,
The initial concern certainly seemed to be the fact-tagging, and I hope you noted that I indicated that some of the facts considered 'obvious' certainly needed citation or they could be removed. About the deletion of content while discussion is ongoing, it is certainly considered inappropriate to delete without discussion. I would not concern myself too much with a reminder not to fragment discussion. If you feel an article is problematic, requesting an RfC is fine; a wikiquette alert is about user behaviour, not article behaviour. Indeed, you could report the problem to the talkpage of WP:AUS - in a neutral tone, please - without violating any guidelines on centralized discussion. The RfC will continue as long as the page is listed. Editors will look in and add their suggestion; this will ensure that those disagreeing on the page will gain perspective how far their views reflect consensus. Hornplease 04:59, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
I don't know whether you know, but there was a previous attempt to add this to the article on John Howard which was stymied once it appeared that the matter could be construed as shedding unfavourable light on the Howard family. It was OK when it read "They also controlled significant land interests in Papua New Guinea which had been granted to his family as a result of service in World War II. (sic)" See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:John_Howard/Archive_3#Papua_New_Guinea_Land_Grab. The immediately preceding stuff on the talk page on Howard's appearance on the Jack Davey radio show is also instructive regarding some of the POV warriors. It was welcome in the article while a positive spin was put on it, but it immediately became unwelcome when a complete transcript showed Howard in a less positive light.
It is worth having a look back through the previous talk page material (including the archived stuff) as there are some hidden gems in there. AussieBoy 06:13, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
You have been accused of sockpuppetry. Please refer to Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Lester for evidence. Please make sure you make yourself familiar with notes for the suspect before editing the evidence page. Prester John -( Talk to the Hand) 23:49, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
I've closed the case as the checkuser result was unlikely and I can't seen any compelling evidence that would warrant further investigations. Sarah 02:37, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
I noticed it was an anniversary today and it seemed a shame to leave it as a red link - the article needs work as it was an important battle for Australians: not just because of the Howard connection - also three Victoria Crosses and a significant set back for the Germans ... Thanks for your comments though - it is nice when one's efforts are acknowledged. Regards -- Golden Wattle talk 00:59, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
I sent an email to the email address you used to email me about your block. I just forwarded some of the articles that I found on factiva last night...I don't know if there's any that you haven't seen yet, but we can use non-online sources like articles and books and such. His story seems to have been included in a book about the war, which would be good to use because that is outside the context of the John Howard biographies. Sarah 01:48, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
I'm not interested in tag teams or edit wars! All I did was restore to the current version as per the status of the discussion, the version I removed is similar to version I think is appropriate for the article but until consensus is established the current one should stay in place, because it is factual there isnt any liability concerns, the question is whether its relevant to JH. Gnan garra 04:57, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
Hello Vassyana. I had submitted the John Howard article for mediation Wikipedia:Requests_for_mediation/John_Howard, which was rejected. I noticed your signature at the bottom of the page, but there was no comment or recommendation on what to do next. I haven't been through a mediation process before, nor do I know what to do next.
There's disputed information in the article. Those who favor inclusion seem to be more willing to mediate. Those who want the information omitted seem to me to be less willing to mediate. There doesn't seem to be much room to compromise. Discussions are heated and personal. Edit wars are common. People get blocked routinely. It would have been nice to resolve it one way or the other just to put such a hot issue to rest.
What do you suggest to resolve an issue like this? -- Lester2 13:26, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
Lester, I'm not worried in the slightest about arbitration. Firstly, Vassyana is not an arbitrator (though Blnguyen is) and secondly, this is not an arbitrable case. It is a content dispute. It could very easily become a arbitrated case, however, if we wanted to obtain bans or topic bans on people who are bringing their political agendas to Wikipedia articles. What upsets me is that you are forum shopping, apparently looking for a particular response instead of showing some good faith and accepting what you have been told by numerous people, including those actually agree with you, who have asked you to give it a rest and move onto something else for the time being. And it also upsets me that you are making false and misleading claims all over the site. If you are sincere about editing the article within policy, you really should respond to the policy based comments that have been raised, instead of creating red-herrings and strawmen and then you would take up Gnangarra's offer to try to write this material in a way that fully meets WP:BLP, yet not one single person has made any real effort to attempt to do this. I can't help but wonder why people who claim to be attempting to write a NPOV article which isn't disparaging to the subject, don't simply take us up on that offer. I know that Brendan hasn't tried to because he won't be happy unless he can write it in a disparaging way, like he did the last time when he wrote that JH's recollection of his family as people with certain values, is "questioned" by Lyall's investment in legal copra plantations. Are you seriously arguing that that is consistent with WP:BLP and WP:NPOV?
I don't really know what you mean about bots. I don't have any bots and you shouldn't run bots without getting permission from the Bot permissions group because if they malfunction, they can cause a lot of damage. I saw your edit on Vassyana's page when I looked at your recent contribs after I saw you on the Village Pump misleading people and giving them false information. I wasn't refreshing your contribs either manually or with a bot, I simply clicked on your name. I don't know if that answers your question or not, but I don't advise you to start running any bots on your account or you will most likely be blocked indefinitely.
I don't have anything against you personally and I found you quite reasonable to edit with on the Lyall Howard article, but you concern me very much as you seem to be completely singularly focused to the point of being obsessed with getting your own way. Meanwhile, you seem blinded to the fact that ignoring both pro- and anti-inclusion people when they tell you the same thing about having a break and editing something else for awhile, is only making the situation worse. If you do not have political motivations for editing, I don't understand the complete focus with regard to these edits and this article. Have you looked at your own contributions? You are looking like a single purpose account as you very rarely edit outside this topic. Have a look at any of the other involved editors contributions and you will see how dramatically single purpose you and Brendan look; this would really go against both of you and likely result in at a minimum, a topic ban at both the Community Sanctions Noticeboard and arbitration. Please consider respecting everyone's wish that you give us a break and go and do something else on other unrelated articles for a little while. Sarah 17:44, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
Read this reference. [4], in fact read any of the references in the David Hicks article and try to find any one who says he was part of the Taliban and trained with Al Qaeda. Hicks writes home about it. Prester John -( Talk to the Hand) 04:23, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
You might be interested in Prester John "getting back" at you by reverting your edits in unrelated pages, see:
-- 71.141.143.66 08:23, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
Please be sure to avoid capitalization in headings as with article titles, e.g. See also not See Also. Cheers. Richard001 23:43, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
Congrats! -- Espresso Addict 15:59, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
Hi, Lester!
Can I make a small suggestion? I think I understand what you are trying to do, but you must be finding it all very frustrating. Believe me, I've been there two years ago. Can I suggest that instead of making an edit loaded down with opinion, that I'm going to look at and immediately revert, you try writing something that I might grumble over privately, but I can live with.
For example, I really don't mind mentioning in various articles that children of asylum-seekers were detained. It's factual, it's an area of concern, it's something that resonates. But when you make an edit that is loaded down with words like "incarcerated", uses opinion pieces as sources, and either doesn't present a complete picture or implies something that is not true, then you are setting yourself up for conflict and disruption, because naturally those with other views are going to respond in order to prevent the article becoming unbalanced.
If an article is reasonably stable, that's a good indication that all editors are reasonably happy with it. Adding something that is contentious, even if it is something that you feel very strongly about, is probably altering a balance that has already been thrashed out.
A good approach would be to present your evidence for making an edit to an established article. Make your case ahead of time, present a good unbiased source, illustrate how the existing article is deficient. Perhaps suggest some wording. If nobody raises any valid objections, then that's a good indication that your edit won't be reverted.
I hope you don't want to spend all your wikitime edit-warring and wikilawyering and arguing around and around, because I don't. But the way you are going, you are eventually going to wear out the patience of those occupying the middle ground, and when that happens you are going to find life here very difficult indeed. -- Pete 02:21, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
And using 'Lesters' logic, it implies that he is a member of a political party. Shot info 03:29, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
Ha. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. Check Lester's contribution's and see how many are related to me. Even admin's have accussed him of stalking me. The problem with this dude is that he can't even recognise what a personal attack is. In examples like the one above, he construes arguments against his logic used and edits made as attacks against his person. Prester John -( Talk to the Hand) 17:30, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
Lester, you don't have to retain malignant comments on your talkpage if you don't wish. You're free to delete/revert edits to your talkpage. It is your talkpage, after all. Relatedly, it's quite amazing that Prester should accuse you of stalking, given his userpage at User:Prester John/Evidence where, among other links, he maintains a diff to both your and my IP address respectively; and given the massive ANI page at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents/User:Timeshift9 trying to "out" User:Prester John documenting his numerous transgressions. -- Brendan [ contribs ] 11:56, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
Re the original post - I have to say this is pretty good advice, regardless of what your opinion may be of its giver. It's a lot easier to edit here if you start by having a neutral tone and an editor's eye for what should be in, what should be out. In a project like WP Politics it's a given that we'll have active members of parties - the interest range is narrow and the political class are the only people who care on such things most of the time. However, I take a strong line against in-role party editing, or editing which solely or narrowly reflects that party's views and not the goals of the encyclopaedia (NPOV in particular). Orderinchaos 23:58, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
Thank you for the message on my talk page, but no, there is no 'edit war' and to ensure the matter did not devolve to that point I took the discussion to the relevant project page - WP:RL - and it had already been resolved before your warning was issued. I note that the other party to the supposed 'edit war' was not also issued with a warning. ~ Florrie • talk • 06:03, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the vid - a few interesting expressions, but he said nothing that I didn't already know or that surprised me... he's very predictable. Timeshift 06:31, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
Hi Lester, That latest edit is probably valid, however the supporting link seems to be to an incorrect Age article. I think you might have mixed up URLs. Just a heads up. Shot info 01:11, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
For your advice. Alans1977 02:16, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
I didn't say you didn't use the talk pages. Rather, for contentious topics using the talk page doesn't entitle one to immediately go and make any edit. People should wait for the response and work towards a solution. Talk page comments doesn't mean one can immediately return to edit warring. regards -- Merbabu 11:20, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
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I've linked to them in all federal election result tables! IRV in the lower, STV GV in the upper. Timeshift ( talk) 00:57, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
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Thanks for those links - quite interesting.
The ABC site appears to be just predictions, as they've got six winners marked even in states like Queensland and Victoria, which are extremely close and most definitely won't be known until the final distribution of preferences in a couple of weeks. I'd be a little bit careful about taking the one newspaper article either - I've noticed several papers jumping the gun and calling seats that are way too close to call on actual figures (for instance news.com.au just called La Trobe for Labor, which really won't be known for sure until every vote is counted). This is why I'm wary about calling the results of the fifth and sixth seats, and have only added those that have gotten a quota on primaries to Members of the Australian Senate, 2008-2011 - I don't want us to have to change the results later, which we've had to do before.
That said, I think the results in WA, SA, NSW and Tas are probably pretty set from the psephological commentary I've read, and I think we might be safe to add these pretty soon if a few papers start calling those results as certain. Rebecca ( talk) 01:08, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
I came across this, and in the spirit of USA Congressional staff edits to Wikipedia, you might want to create an article cited with this type of reference? Timeshift 07:58, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
I have commented on this discussion as requested basically endorsing your page move. I see nothing to suggest you did not follow the correct procesdure for moving the article during an AFD. I won't comment on keeping or deleting the article to avoid any accusation of canvassing. Davewild 09:36, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
Lester, might I suggest, if you wish we (admins) would take action in response to your ANI complaints about Prester, that you consider removing your comment from the MfD for Prester's userpage and then in future staying away from similar issues concerning Prester that don't otherwise involve you? People who really are being cyberstalked go out of their way to avoid their stalker; they don't actively follow their "stalker" around looking for opportunities to engage them, make complaints or oppose them. You really make it impossible for us and I'm afraid that you are now pretty much in a "Cry Wolf" situation with many admins, particularly Australian admins and those who watch ANI. I urge you to refrain from commenting about Prester and involving yourself in discussions relating to him that don't otherwise involve you, stop checking his contributions and simply get on with your own business. If you were to do this and then come to a complaint with " clean hands" you would find admins were far more responsive and willing to take action. It was only a day or two ago that you melodramatically announced to ANI, "Help me, I'm being stalked" and complained that you were being stalked and harassed and that "It's horrible. It's bullying. No Wikipedian deserves this. Nobody. It is continuing, and I ask again for Admin assistance." Yet now here you are, following your "stalker", commenting on not just his userpage, but his username, and the articles he edits! If you really want one of us to act against Prester, then please stop doing this and stay away from him. Thank you for your consideration. Sarah 13:14, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for going around and doing this - a lot of these articles looked very messy beforehand. I'd been meaning to do it for days. Rebecca 23:04, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
Here. Cheers. Timeshift 15:37, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the heads up - there's quite a few of these pages that were never updated after the state election. I've updated it anyway - if you see any others, feel free to let me know. Rebecca ( talk) 01:25, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
But! What is the source?! :P Timeshift ( talk) 23:32, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Show me a reference that supports, not speculates that PNG had a direct influence on JH and his philosophies otherwise its just something that Lyall did and its already in the Lyall article. Gnan garra 01:06, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
Hi Daniel. I want to ask your advice on how content disputes are resolved, as you're familiar with mediation processes as well as the content involved (John Howard plantations). I'm just not familiar with the processes within Wikipedia. There is still reverting going on at the article. As you know, I submitted it for a Mediation Committee hearing, but because a couple of editors didn't wish to participate, it never got to mediation. In a case such as this, where there is no clear or decisive outcome (opinions are divided), how can it be settled in one way or another. It would be great to have a mediator to oversee a civil discussion and arrive at some compromise, but what does one do when some parties don't want to participate? Do you have any suggestions for a process to arrive at consensus? Thanks, Daniel, Lester 19:53, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
Firstly, sorry for the delay in responding. Yes, probably only the recently-involved parties, and then only those who would be considered the "most involved", not those who have commented once etc. Daniel 09:01, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
Just letting you know I finally responded on my talkpage. Cheers hamiltonstone ( talk) 12:14, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for your note - I hadn't been watching the article any more. I see fromt he history though that the controversy section under discussion and reversion in November was not professional, neutral or referenced. See this diff as an example. I htink it should be mentioned and referenced but in a neutral way. I think it is somewhat significant but certainly one has to watch WP:UNDUE - ie not giving it more weight than it merits. Can't attend to the research and form of words right now though I did have a link to an ABC profile in my talk page comment. Regards -- Matilda talk 05:12, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
Hoorah! Love the slideshow! :D Timeshift ( talk) 22:52, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
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I took the considered decision that nothing was achieved or gained for anybody involved, the thing had the potential to flare up once again once people come back from Christmas holidays, and no positive purpose could be served to the encyclopaedia by maintaining it. Orderinchaos 20:00, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Ac.whiteaustralia.jpg - fixed, could do with a better rationale though... it really isn't sufficient. Betacommandbot has been setup to go around making sure the basics of FU images are correct, ie: has the neccessary bits (see the diff for more info). Timeshift ( talk) 00:58, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
Just as an FYI, I requested (and got) protection as the repeated POV pushing was really getting out of hand. I'll request unprotection (or you can if you like) if they discuss and reach consensus, or if they get bored and leave...:) Dihydrogen Monoxide ( party) 02:13, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
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I'd wait until the channel is actually rebranded as ABC1 – at the moment is still "ABC" or "Channel 2" until (supposedly) next week. The right time to change the brand in the article's Infobox is when the on-air identity of the channel has changed. SEO75 [ talk 02:08, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
I have been trying to edit the caption for the abc1 logo at the bottom of page however I made a few mistakes so reverted myself. Samualm ( talk) 05:57, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
Maybe you should try a checkuser to confirm the sockpuppetry (or prove otherwise). · AndonicO Hail! 09:46, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
Hi Lester, With regard to the Hicks opening par, it is not clear to me from your comment whether or not that you support the propsed wording. Of course you might in any case agree that it is an improvement from the current version? Wm ( talk) 09:27, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
Hi Lester - I noticed you commented on the deletion of an article on Steady Eddie. did you know that it already exists as Steady Eddy? Cheers, -- Ossipewsk ( talk) 23:52, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
Would you mind removing your comment from the project page and on to Rudd's page? Timeshift ( talk) 11:15, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
I wasn't disputing it, simply the wording. Timeshift ( talk) 12:23, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
Yes I'm already well aware of him messaging all and sundry. He has made all sorts of wild accusations against me and admins. He can't spell Labor though so already his impression of any expertise has been severely damaged. He admits that Roxon simply has a Jewish father rather than practising the Jewish faith herself, but seems to think that still equates to her religion. I've been accused of conspiring with admins, being anti-semitic, and other crap here. Frankly, i'm prepared to let the discussion speak for itself rather than going on any sort of counter-crusade myself. Timeshift ( talk) 11:57, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
Hi Lester, I think it's enough to just say "only former prime minister". You don't need to say "only living former prime minister" because no one expects the dead to rise and attend. ;) Somno ( talk) 03:20, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
There's a lot of material in there from December 2007 and we're in March 2008. I wasn't doing much on WP at that time, that's all. Perhaps you could break your commentary down a bit so that it relates more directly to the original claim made by Wm, and which has been endorsed by others? Eyedubya ( talk) 08:02, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
I have updated this article, with some newer news items on his activities. Perhaps this will help. Thanks for letting me know! mukerjee ( talk) 04:25, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
I understand your scepticism, and will offer you this.... First of note is I only have a few hours of access to a computer signal access per day, if that, so I can't overly read and reference everything at once. I've labeled the page with the correct template, and I'll work on it as time allows over the next few days. Please, allow the time for this to be done as per wikipedia:AGF. I'll get there. I've moved my work off of what could be considered (one of?) your pet project of HD DVD both to limit my time to expanding and properly referencing the CH-DVD page, and to rightfully keep the two articles separate. Reverting while I try to do all the things you ask for in referencing the project page make it hard, if not impossible to finish the work needed; and the page does need work. Lostinlodos ( talk) 14:00, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
Replied on my talk page. CIreland ( talk) 08:33, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
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Hi Lester! Just dropping by about some edit warring I noticed here. If you'd please be awesome and help me out; if someone (notably Skyring, because it seems you guys have a history) makes an edit you do not like, and you know they won't like it if you revert, don't revert. That way, I don't have to go around locking up pages. Instead, bring it to the person's attention, the talk page of the article, and/or me; that way we can reach a resolution. Reverting is practically useless in that he can undo it just as easily as you can do it; therefore, let's not edit war and instead let's reach a resolution. I don't know much about the history of this dispute, so if you could sum it up for me so I have an idea of what I'm mediating I'd appreciate that very much. Thanks! Have a great day, Master of Puppets Call me MoP! :) 05:43, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
I'm not sure i'm understanding what you're asking. The JH article was locked due to edit warring. Once the article was unlocked, people began to remove content again (ie: an admin who will remain nameless) despite a huge talkpage shitfight over it. Timeshift ( talk) 07:17, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
I've been waiting a long time to weave his example in to an argument... :D Timeshift ( talk) 02:11, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
Using [7] [8] [9] [10] in your RFC would be my recommendation. Timeshift ( talk) 05:01, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
I didn't vote b/c I thought it was clear what I thought and the aim was to seek editors who'd not already indulged in discussion. Eyedubya ( talk) 08:23, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
Lester, I'm not agreeing to this, for reasons stated in the RfM. However, if you can withdraw the case and submit a fresh one with only two names as the parties involved, everything the same, then I'll agree to mediation. I'd much rather find ways of working with you than in seeing the situation continue to distintegrate. If some of my guesses about you are correct, then you must be experiencing considerable frustration. I don't want to see useful articles deteriorate into POV, but neither do I want to cause you undue anguish. -- Pete ( talk) 18:46, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
Responding to your comments on my talk page. The RfM you initiated (with multiple participants) isn't going to proceed without my involvement, so I guess that's it. Let's see if we can prceed on good will alone.
Could you look over my comments here and rewrite the US relationship section, beginning with the material you used originally, expanding it significantly along the lines indicated, and ending with the Obama incident? The US relationship is genuinely significant, it deserves a longer section, and the Obama material would then be a legitimate part of it. You did an excellent job on the original material, in that your writing and research skills are a lot better than those of the regular contributors to the article. Writing an article by arguing over every bloody word isn't working: even if agreed wording is ultimately found, the result is very poor as far as prose goes. -- Pete ( talk) 04:45, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
Don't sell yourself short. After weeks of bickering, if you and I can co-operate on something and have it mutually satisfactory, I think anyone who disagrees is going to be out on a limb. I'm particularly nettled that your para on the US relationship was removed for what seems to be no good reason. You're a better writer of encyclopaedic prose than I, but if you feel disinclined, I'll have a go. WP:BOLD and WP:IAR are useful guidelines - basically they reward good work - we don't have to run everything past a committee. And having seen what the committee has so far produced, frankly it is embarrassing to see such poor writing on Wikipedia. -- Pete ( talk) 17:53, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
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I share your disappointment that the RfM did not proceed. I do not see edit warring going on though. I am actually very impressed with the conduct on the talk page (and of article edits) of those editors who are still around discussing the issues. While the conversation does not feel as though it is progressing very fast I believe it is progressing. I seriously do believe that some of the way out is to have an article on the Howard Government and for some of the comments that people seek to include in the Howard article to be included in the more relevant articles on the topic - eg Immigration to Australia. Regards -- Matilda talk 21:35, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
its not for 3r its BLP thats the issue, Gnan garra 07:09, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
A number of reasons I suppose. The biggest of course is that he is no longer PM and this is no longer an election campaign. Pete is unfortunately obstinate, of course, but that's not a major factor. Truth be told, I don't edit very many Australian articles at the moment. My editing habits are a bit peripatetic. Slac speak up! 10:47, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
Sorry, I only meant to move my list. Not yours. -- Merbabu ( talk) 03:24, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
You seem to have used the term "edit war" quite often in article talk pages. For example recently . As I have mentioned before to you, article talk pages should focus on content rather than conduct. Conduct can be taken up with individual editors or on appropriate noticeboards - eg wp:3rr. It is my belief that your discussions in such terms contribute to the conduct issues rather than alleviate them. -- Matilda talk 02:12, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
Hi - he hadn't been welcomed yet. He won't therefore know about our policies (though mind you seems very adept for a "new" editor eg knows to use talk pages, signs his posts, ...). I have welcomed him which provides info about the policies and also warned him for conflict of interest based on his remarks about speaking to people after the launch. Watch WP:BITE :-) Thanks for escalating to WP:Aus politics. Regards -- Matilda talk 05:15, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
Take a look at the minority movement wanting to set up shop under Australia in New Right. Timeshift ( talk) 08:31, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
I disagree he was the least popular leader up until his time. Newspoll shows his lowest Preferred PM was 21%. I don't know if it got worse than this (as they don't include all historical poll results) but I do know Howard was in the teens during his first stint in the leadership. And 21% looks completely respectable nowadays! Timeshift ( talk) 03:22, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
What has changed - Howard is no longer PM. Howard's father does not meet notability criteria and I think that will be even more obvious now than it was withdrawn Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lyall Howard. If the prod does not survive I will list for AfD. as per my prod reasoning Wikipedia:Bio#Invalid_criteria: That person A has a relationship with well-known person B is not a reason for a standalone article on A. The AfD was withdrawn because there was some attempt to clean up the article. The article is clean but there sis till no independent notability conferred on the subject in my view. If he wasn't John Howard's father he would not have had an article. -- Matilda talk 01:28, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
Hmm, you could be right - I noticed his reversion because 1981 Springbok Tour is on my watchlist, and the section he removed from that article is indeed one which I recall User:Prester John arguing about a while back: see [11] [12] -- Stormie ( talk) 04:49, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
Yes tag any that you are confident of with
{{sockpuppetproven|Prester John}}
- it will come up with a template that refers to contributions see
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You can tag the socks as soon as you see them. I am happy to act on anything if I am about but I am not here 24/7 :-) I suggest you seek help either at WP:AWNB which is on quite a few people's watchlists - including mine - and there wil be lots of takers to spring into action. Alternatively you could go to Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets, Wikipedia:Administrator intervention against vandalism (he is vandalising!) or Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents for help. I think it also a good idea to continue to note at Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/Prester John just in the form {{checkuser|Hypopostumus}} as you have been doing. I watch that page too.
Regards -- Matilda talk 21:34, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
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Hi thanks for letting me know, I am really ticked off that an article like this about a person that has done so much for the community can be deleted because a editor (used lightly) wants the page gone...as he said " That's why I'm a Labor voter and want this page gone" and then denies it in the next reply, I hope it works out but if it doesn't you can start the page again as a new page and not list him as a Politician bio, use one from in here Wikipedia:Notability (people). We all know he is notable and the page will be back soon. Thuringowacityrep ( talk) 06:43, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
To clarify his gross misrepresentation, what I actually said was that I was not pushing any POV, I said I was a Labor voter in defense. I would think a Labor voter would be more sympathetic to keeping this article. Perhaps I didn't even need to say that as I know I am not pushing any POV and don't need to defend my views, despite the OAM I still believe he is still NN, my view is just one of the many who voted it to be deleted, the OAM hasn't changed anyone's view that I can see. As one contributor said at the deletion review, this is not AfD part 2. Timeshift ( talk) 12:43, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
Hello, Gnangarra. I'm disappointed that revert wars have again broken out on the John Howard article. This is not the way to solve content disputes. It subverts the due processes of the talk page by the Wikipedia community. I don't think anyone believes the referenced content is pure vandalism. Therefore reverting is inappropriate. We know from experience with the hotbed Howard-related articles that when revert wars break out, there's no point everyone else discussing the content while reverting continues. We know there is a set Wikipedia process for content resolution disputes, and revert wars is not on the list of options.-- Lester 21:18, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
Hi Orderinchaos. You recently said in another post: "Wikipedia's consensus procedure holds that in order to add something contentious to a contested page, one has to obtain consensus on the talk page first". Does it really say that? Just curious. I'd be interested to know if that is the case. Regards, --
Lester
01:20, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
(Cross-posted)
Thanks for the note on my page! Renee ( talk) 15:40, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
Well for an editor to say that was really in bad faith but I'm interesting in what they class as "Useless editors" since I've not seen any editor who is involved in the dispute being usless. All I see it as is typical political dispute between editors which can be rather useful but can be also unhelpful but not useless. Bidgee ( talk) 11:20, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
Firstly, thanks for your post - I realise you went to a lot of effort and thought with it. Oddly enough it's not so much my formal studies as my informal ones that have given me what I have - I use all the resources at my disposal, mostly the uni and State libraries, to educate myself on whatever takes my interest. This year it's been Queensland and Victorian local government, WA electoral and political history, and partially stemming from my actual studies, federalism and responsible government (as in the Westminster practice). I've had to revise stuff I learned in first year law school (that was as far as I got, by the way) as a fresh 17-year-old on how to note up legislation and all the various different bits and identifying the relevant case law, and then reading Hansard and contemporary newspapers to get more of a feel for how it came to take the shape it did. By the time I get to honours I should have a mine of stuff to draw on, as well as a hell of a lot of practical research experience. However, my present level of formal studies wouldn't look so impressive on knol :)
You were talking about community processes and a phenomenon which occurs in many areas I edit came to mind - people gravitate to where they want to edit, and some areas are either not attended at all, or only by one editor. In some of the areas I edit, community participation of any kind will probably never occur - I'm literally the only contributor, probably always will be, and struggle to find even people to give me second opinions on my own work. I know I'm far from the only person in this situation, as little pockets of content all over Wiki are being developed by individual contributors almost in isolation which form useful portals of knowledge for readers but attract negligible editing attention. One would hope the people developing that content in isolation have the competence to make it work, and are not pushing some party line or agenda. That, if you think about it, poses quite a danger as there's no checks or balances whateoever.
As for your comments regarding another editor, I resile from any claim that I have supported that user or their activities. I don't support users, I support what I believe to be right. In the particular situation we found ourselves in with the foreign editors, just as we have resisted efforts by people like Prester John to dictate to us what should be in an article which is owned by the community as a whole and not by any one editor, in this case we resisted an organised campaign - one of the most blatant and nasty I've ever seen on the Australian project beyond the usual suspects, in fact - to slant the article in a particular way. Sometimes a bit of toughness is required on that front. In the course of that, I found serious reasons to doubt one of the users had any good motive to be on Wikipedia at all. When in the bizarre situation where people's lifelong Wikienemies suddenly are fighting the same cause for the same reasons, opportunities open up to resolve other conflicts which previously existed. In essence, that's what I have been trying to encourage.
There comes a time when I have to think about my own role in the matter, and there is no way that I could use my extra tools on anything connected to the situation - no matter how or on who I used them I would be accused of partiality or involvement. I'm much better at trying to use my personality to try and resolve the long standing conflicts and use my political knowledge and academic skills to help improve the article. I think some people have been fighting for so long that the fact that the real enemy has gone the way of the dodo and we're still fighting their old battles has been completely missed. With this comes an opportunity - last week was the first time ever that I have seen editors in our environment actually talking to each other without using words like "winning" and "sides". In fact I think some (Surturz comes to mind here) were almost stunned that people they'd grown so used to as adversaries shared their own views so strongly when it came to this business. There's a lot that will be disagreed on, but if we could focus on building on our rather unusual foundation of mutual consideration, and try and make it something which can work at all or most time rather than simply when confronting a common enemy, the problems that have dogged this article for a year or more may be something we can look later on as historical. My personal goal, odd as it may be, is to see John Howard at FAC at some point future, with text everyone can agree on as fair. Orderinchaos 05:26, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for all your good work in attempting to raise the standard of behaviour on the Aus. political articles. I have added a comment to yours on Orderinchaos talk page. Cheers. I am completely snowed under at the moment by personal concerns but I would like to think that I can get back to it in some way at some time. Wm ( talk) 01:47, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for your comments - replied on my talk page -- Matilda talk 02:12, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
I'll see if I can find a copy, I did have one but it was 12 years ago so might be hard to find. -- Canley ( talk) 07:59, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for the tip, i'll remember it in future. I'm trying to learn how everything is set out but as you could imagine its quite confusing to a new user. Thank you! -- MattWT 09:56, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
Hi - you wrote to me (and similarly to others hence my reply here):
Hello Matilda. My own reading of the problems that plague the John Howard article is that wild disagreements start when someone deletes referenced content soon after it was added. I'm not concerned if someone deletes vandalism or unreferenced content. But if the content is referenced to a major reliable source, then it should be allowed to remain in the article until the community has made a decision about what to do with it. Do you think that is a good idea? When I think back on the major article content conflicts, most times it was not an argument about whether the facts were true or not. Instead the arguments were mainly about whether the fact is notable or relevant. For example, nobody disputed whether Howard criticised Obama, or whether Obama criticised Howard. By leaving the content in, it would exist for a few weeks until the community process is finished. That would usually just involve discussion, though for more controversial content, it may involve RfC and RfM. Yes, it is an involved process, but I think it should be given a go, rather than everyone deleting/reverting newly added content, and then fighting over the scraps like hyenas. Is it a good idea for everyone to agree not to quickly delete newly added well referenced content? --Lester 00:25, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
In the most recent skirmish there was questioning as to whether the Australian Broadcasting Corporation was indeed a reliable source. Some believed the material was a BLP violation, others merely thought it was undue weight. There seemed to be misunderstanding of what I as an editor was trying to achieve - which was that Howard was criticised for his role in the invasion of Iraq. In hindsight there was indeed a much better way to achieve that (and I think I have got there unreverted for nearly 20 hours! and at least one editor seems to agree with it [13] - the distinction being in this case That Australians largely appeared to have been against the war but Howard went in anyway is very important, and makes the other criticisms look trivial. ... inclusion of poll data to support this point ... contributes towards a much more mature article in comparison to a listing of “notable” criticisms and commentators.)
In contributing to the reverting I did not help. I think Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle which was suggested to me by Gnangarra is much better and I take that feedback on.
In thinking specifically about if the content is referenced to a major reliable source, then it should be allowed to remain in the article until the community has made a decision about what to do with it - it doesn't matter if the content is in or out as long as it is discussed until resolution is reached that it should be in or out.
I have suggested taking such matters off to sub-pages to let them be thrashed out and being very strict to discuss content and not conduct. An article RfC of course focuses on article content too so much the same effect.
My concern is the talk page got bogged down and very very hostile.
I still don't like the Obama comment being in - I think it is undue weight. Not everybody agrees with me though so ... ;-)
regards -- Matilda talk 00:42, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
Timeshift ( talk) 17:28, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
Well yes, I am of the affluent middle class, I live in an apartment in the CBD of Adelaide, and have a social conscience, and dislike Howard. It is more the social issues that makes me dislike the Liberal Party than anything else. If that makes me a socialist, well... :-) Timeshift ( talk) 07:40, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
Just thought i'd add a bit of commentary. Months in to Turnbull's leadership, it's been shown that the Liberal leader no longer controls the party, the party controls the leader. The Liberals wouldn't dare let the line be blurred. They are proud of their social conservatism and won't let Turnbull put his own policies in to place. Even if he is more socially left, his party won't let it show through policy, so to me, the Liberal Party is the same Liberal Party, whether it be run by Howard, Turnbull, or Mickey Mouse. Policy is controlled by the majority right of the party and will continue to be for the foreseeable future - Howard made sure of that. Timeshift ( talk) 05:54, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for that - I think the reference was on an edition of Compass on ABC; but doesn't matter for the moment. JRG ( talk) 03:57, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
Agreed unreferenced articles should be deleted. Probably renominating individual clubs is more likely to be successful than leagues.-- Grahame ( talk) 07:31, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
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Lester, I was not aware that Kevin Rudd placed “personal” importance on the LGBT issues, but that’s may well be my own ignorance. So, if it is indeed the case, then perhaps we need to say this in the article in place of the details of the politics. Can you provide such verification? Would be good. cheers
Do you understand my point about asserting notability? Do you agree? IMO, how much is said is less important than what is said. Indeed, say hypothetically that Rudd saw LGBT rights as the most important issue, then all the article needs to say is “Rudd considers LGBT rights are the most important issue facing the country, and the government proposed X, Y, and Z reforms”. Done, importance asserted short sharp and sweet. Who cares about the voting process?
Another example of just getting to the point rather than asserting importance by word count, is this section of the History of Indonesia article. Although I wrote this part, I now realise that the punchline is in the 4th paragraph: Ie, the coup and subsequent killings removed Sukarno’s largest pillar of support. Yet, I took 3 paragraphs to get there. While these events are one of the pivotal moments of modern Indonesia history, I took my time getting to the point, and even then it’s not that clear. It could do with some work, and I see parallels with the Rudd article. -- Merbabu ( talk) 03:54, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
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G'day Lester, thanks for your note. After a bit of digging around, I've come to the conclusion that I moved it because there were actually three notable Dennis Fergusons around the traps — our old mate who is the subject of your article; a (still-) sitting member of the Tennessee State Legislature; and one of the founders of Juniper Networks. Probably at the time I intended to contribute to articles on all three but in the end, for reasons that only my 2006 doppelganger can answer, I didn't follow through.
The original Ferguson article was deleted as a "BLP nightmare", for reasons which may become clear if you have a read through the deleted history. You'll need to keep a close eye on the new one, for his sake and his victims'. I'd suggest it might also be worthwhile putting some effort into an article for the Tennessee chap, if only so his potential voters don't start confusing him with a rock spider. Cheers, fuddlemark ( befuddle me!) 13:40, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
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Dear Lester, my apologies about the erroneous redirect of the stylus (computing) article. It was my mistake, well spotted! However, there is an actually still a problem with this article. Please see the talk page. I would be delighted if you could with help the planned changes. Many thanks. Yours, Mootros ( talk) 15:16, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
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There's not much I can do here other than play whack-a-mole. These addresses are too spread apart to do a rangeblock, if they all even are hAl (I can tell without looking that third IP is almost certainly not, as it edits the wrong articles and hasn't edited at all since October). If you do have concerns of continued sockpuppetry, please open a formal WP:SPI case, or report them to WP:AIV for faster action. Posting addresses for me to check and/or block here is not entirely appropriate. Hersfold ( t/ a/ c) 00:47, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
Were you going to do something with the userspace draft you created? You haven't touched it in over two years. 98.248.41.72 ( talk) 08:45, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
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If you actually look at my changes, you'll see they're not a whitewash; they're more a correction of tone and grammar. My structure is also much more sensible. The article in its current condition is a mess; nothing more than a list of missing features. Critical reaction to these belongs in the Reception section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by CalumCookable ( talk • contribs) 12:25, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
I don't understand you - my changes really are relatively minor. All that's changed is some rephrasing and spelling/grammar correction and a few new nuggets of information. I haven't removed anything. Maybe it looks like it because I've done some restructuring. Maybe I shouldn't have gone ahead with the restructuring, but I can't understand all my changes, which I see as mainly corrections and making the text more lucid, going back to the old messy way just because I rearranged things a bit. —Preceding unsigned comment added by CalumCookable ( talk • contribs) 13:18, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
I will continue to maintain my improved version of the article and revert all your reverts until I am banned. Your obsession with keeping the article a mess is ridiculous. kthxbai CalumCookable ( talk) 16:10, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
Finally we are on the same page. Now we can start Finish the MAJOR overhaul of the article. BTW, thanks for "fight" and I am truly sorry for accusing you of being a troll.--
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Sources have been added. You might want to take another look. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ( Otters want attention) 03:26, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
I was just a little confused on what kind of ring-tones were talking about. Ringtones, as in OS built-in sounds that you can change, or something that user can customize (ie. add their own music/audio file and use that as their ring tone.) WP7 does support pre-loaded OS ringtones that you can change. But the way Windows Mobile handles ring tone-changing in the settings is as if it doesn't support the functionality out-of-the-box (being an actual Windows Mobile 6.5 user), but I guess the issue there is that Windows Mobile 6.x is the furthest thing from being user-friendly.
Also, I made a change about the SD cards. You can remove the SD Card physically but the data on the phone gets wiped out because MS engineered the OS to have one, unified file system for storage. I'm not sure that it makes sense to have it under that section because it was an engineering decision. Maybe it just needs to be shorted/simplified and re-worded.
And lastly, the part about Silverlight support in WM maybe incorrect. I noticed in the WP7 discussion page, you gave this Link to show that WM supports Silverlight. That was over 2 years ago and Silverlight was never natively implemented into any version of Windows Mobile, it was a project and it was canceled. Skyfire on Windows Mobile supports Silverlight playback, but you have to download a 3rd party app (Skyfire), which is not built-in to Windows Mobile as a native feature of the OS, and so the article potentially miscommunicates that Silverlight was a native feature of Windows Mobile when it actually wasn't, as told by a Microsoft employee on the official Silverlight message-boards. (And again, being an actual WM 6.5 user, IE Mobile 6 or any WM apps do not support Silverlight at all.)
Thanks for the feedback, though. Better than an editing war where we cant properly explain our actions ( and don't have enough room to write :) ). -- Interframe ( talk) 02:01, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
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