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I don't mean to be overly argumentative on the Swahili language page about the countries in the infobox, but I'm doing a very restrictive read on the sources. User:Middayexpress is on a rampage on the Arabic language page and keeps citing Oman and UAE on the Swahili language page as "evidence" for why there should be a long list of countries on the Arabic language page. He's not arguing the Arabic language issues at all, but focusing on the Swahili language page. I don't want him to have one drop of fuel for his tirade on the Arabic language page based on an overly broad list of countries on the Swahili language page. I'm sticking very tightly to the references in this case. It's nothing personal with you, I assure you. ( Taivo ( talk) 08:27, 2 January 2009 (UTC))
For the following, are they diacritics or letters, because i see blank boxes, and how do enable them?
In addition, diacritics were used to create new letters for Min-nan and Hakka.
Char | Pinyin | Char | Pinyin | Char | Pinyin | Char | Pinyin | |||
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ㆠ | bb* | ㆦ | oo [ɔ] | ㆬ | syllabic m | ㆲ | ong | |||
ㆡ | zz* | ㆧ | onn [õ] | ㆭ | syllabic ng | ㆳ | Innn ?? citation needed | |||
ㆢ | jj* | ㆨ | ir [ɨ] | ㆮ | ainn [aĩ] | ㆴ | Final p | |||
ㆣ | gg* | ㆩ | ann [ã] | ㆯ | aunn [aũ] | ㆵ | Final t | |||
ㆤ | ee [e] | ㆪ | inn [ĩ] | ㆰ | am | ㆶ | Final k | |||
ㆥ | enn [ẽ] | ㆫ | unn [ũ] | ㆱ | om | ㆷ | Final h [ʔ] |
*These are the "muddy" initials found in Minnan and Wu dialects.
See Taiwanese for the two additional tone marks required to write these languages.
and can you identify the sound values for the extended one for Min-nan and hakka, they are really confusing
i was acually asking for IPA, sorry for being late.
and the IPA for this too.
Char | Pinyin |
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万 | v |
兀 | ng |
广 | ny |
There's an anonymous IP user trying to delete cross-references at Relexification. He's not talking on the Talk page and has no justification for removing the cross references. ( Taivo ( talk) 14:21, 4 January 2009 (UTC))
Hi, I'm afraid I don't know much about obsolete Hangul jamo and I don't know anybody knowledgeable in the subject either. Sorry! -- Kjoon lee 12:46, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
Currently in North America there is epidemic shortening of "A" long in open penult such as first syllable of DATA and in anatomical and taxonomic terms. Is there any evidence when this began, or did the prescribed traditional pronunciation always differ from usage in this respect? Should this be mentioned in the History section?
Thank you.
Steamer405 ( talk) 21:13, 6 January 2009 (UTC) 2009 January 06
An informal survey on the Internet tells me that Australians pronounce Mt Kosciuszko as /kozzy-OSS-koh/, and where I grew up in Massachusetts there was a street by that name and it was pronounced /koss-key-OOS-koh/. A google search [1] reveals yet more possible pronunciations, such as /kozzy-ESS-koh/ for Mississippi (sorry, typing Wikipedia standard IPA is a hassle). I would say that this name probably does belong on the list, in fact if anything it deserves to be listed at least twice (for Australia and Mississippi; I think the pronunciation I grew up with is confined to that one little neighborhood). If it's okay with you I'll go ahead and add it back into the article, this time with proper formatting. (Or if you'd rather do it yourself that'd be good too.) Soap Talk/ Contributions 02:24, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
Hanja, Kanji, and Hanzi should be capitalized because they are proper nouns. moocowsrule talk to moo 00:45, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
Please do not move templates which are used, and not transcluded, on many pages, as this will actually cause a great deal of disruption. Please only move templates after you have gained consensus to do so.— Dæ dαlus ContribsRespond on my talk please 09:30, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
Kwami, we really need to have some people overseeing what an enthusiastic editor is doing over at Linear B. He's not working within the usual constraints of our Writing Systems projects. -- Evertype· ✆ 11:01, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
I found Stokoe notation among references to my ASCII-Stokoe notation. Looking at that page, I was startled by the uncredited proposal described there for a typeable ASCII version. Is it yours? Please see Talk:Stokoe_notation#ASCII_typeable_equivalent. -- Thnidu ( talk) 19:45, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
FYI, there is a discussion about your editing at Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#User:Kwamikagami. -- Ricky81682 ( talk) 10:00, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
Bonjour,
Can you load your file
to
Commons, I don't know how to do. Thanks.
Budelberger (
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When I skimmed through some dinosaur pages, I noticed that you keep on using r, which represents the "rolled" r, but you should, from now on, use ɹ. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bugboy52.40 ( talk • contribs) 03:19, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
Was;
The influence of the seven-days of creation in Genesis was the birth of the continuous seven-day week. But it is claimed by many that Genesis originated from Mesopotamian mythology. ion according to Genesis therefore it's likely it was an evolution of the Sumerian seven-day week.
Your edit (twice)
The seven days of creation in Genesis are popularly credited with the birth of the seven-day week. However, this Genesis creation myth may have originated in Mesopotamian mythology Creation according to Genesis and the week is a continuation of the Sumerian seven-day week.
It's not a continuation of the Sumerian seven-day week is it?! Their week is 4 x 7 plus a day or 2. That's why I stated 'CONTINUOUS' which you have deleted. It's unknown what was used before 586BCE it could have been either. There's a big gap between the two systems. So please stop amending it or add some cites to back up your amendment.--
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Pnb73 (
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08:07, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
I did, if you had taken the time to read the words after "....evolution of the Sumerian seven-day week. " there's a section titled Sumerians . Quite a clue really, you would have understood if you'd read it.
Because that section was titled Jews. It made sense to explain the Sumerian Week within the Sumerian section. Directly below it...
There are references!!!!
The earliest evidence of continuous seven-day week can be attributed to the Jews in 586BCE during the Babylonian Captivity [1]
Apologies if the [1] is too small. Should I put this [1] in bold or a large font for your benefit?
All of this time wasting could have been avoided if you read the feckin' thing. Shall I undo or will you... --
Pnb73 (
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10:25, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
OK, would you be happy if I added after ...evolution of the Sumerian seven-day week?
to enlighten those who cannot be bothered to read the next section? -- Pnb73 ( talk) 11:29, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
File:DP masses.png, an image uploaded to Wikipedia from this account in October 2008, is now File:Dwarf planet masses.png ( Commons:File:Dwarf planet masses.png). — Athaenara ✉ 20:41, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
Hello,
It would be nice if you would care about the "Parent systems" tree consistency in Kana Hiragana Katakana Japanese_writing_system Kanji and maybe add the whole template to Hentaigana Furigana Okurigana Man'yōgana.
I wrote you because I saw that you wrote "Kanji is not a script" which I never thought about and than later said "Hm,right!". I still thing since todays Kanji have a diff. stroke order and new jap. only Kanji it can today be considert a script of its own. However these trees display a Historical development and durring that time Kanji was just Chinese.
Anyway , my english is not that good ,I lack knowledge about the whole thing and I allready made some errors (i studied no linguistics ^^) so I hope you can find the time to take over the disscussion Talk:Japanese_writing_system#Parent_systems and keep the trees save :P
The biggest problem IMO is that people constantly try to put "Chinese character" in the tree... And that Kanji was in many of em ...
One big problem is that all Chinese related articles have "Chinese character" at the top (see Chữ_Nôm and Simplified_Chinese_character, Traditional_Chinese_character) most likely because one fail edit ... The tree is a display of development and should not contain this as root. Arabic_alphabet (a.o.) does contain a specific script as well at the top and not some article that talks about the whole development displayed in the tree. All the tree elements are using oracle bone script as root (not changed by me) and are very consistent ... someone did fail edit the "chinese" into the root a long time ago ...
PS: You will see I added "Regular script (Kanji)" ; Which was done only to prevent edits that will put Kanji back in ... do as you like ^^! PPS: I also want you to take over because I have a bad temper when people do something dump :(
Regards ! 79.192.230.96 ( talk) 14:00, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
You'll note that I did request that discussion take place on the Talk page. -- Evertype· ✆ 10:17, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
Hi, some of the mass changes you made over these two days are incorrect. All Hong Kong/Macau should not be changed from Cantonese (linguistics) --> Yue Cantonese but rather to Standard Cantonese. Hopefully you can fix it up, thankyou. Dengero ( talk) 13:19, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
[I don't log in often - email is safer.] I will try to describe Swedish long u and y, but it is tricky - check if it works on somebody else :-). What I say only applies to the dialect I speak (mainstream Stockholm, which is essentially the one generally spoken in national broadcast media).
Start with Swedish long i [i:], compare Swedish pip [pi:p] with English peep [pi:p]; then in Swedish, the vowel position in the mouth is the same, but the tongue puts more pressure onto the roof of the mouth (the passage is narrower), though the airflow should still be smooth (no semblance of frication or trilling), that is, it has higher vowel height.
Now move to y: first say Swedish fira [fi:ra] (haul, celebrate) and move it to fyra [fy:ra] (four). Then I am convinced that the vowel point (backness) should be moved forward in the mouth, towards the tongue position of "s". Then I also think that the vowel point is the same for u, as in fura [fʉːra] (pine). This is in fact opposite to what is shown in the diagram at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_phonology#Vowels
Now to the lip positions: compare fira [fi:ra], fyra [fy:ra], fura [fʉːra] and foga [fuːga] (join). Then the opening formed by the lips successively narrow, listing the opening width and height as follows (these can be measured using a transparent ruler in front of a mirror):
word width height fira [fiːra] 3.5 cm 5 mm fyra [fyːra] 2.5 cm 5 mm fura [fʉːra] 1.5 cm 2 mm foga [fuːɡa] 0.5 cm 2 mm
In all of these, except the last, there is no rounding of the opening - rather it should be as a horizontal bar. In the last one, the lips form a circular opening, but it may be due to the narrowing.
As for the pouting of the lips, that is natural for the last three, but I think it is not essential, but only needed as to form to the mouth opening formed by the lips.
If I compare German für and Swedish fyr [fy:r] (lighthouse), then I use the same lip-formed mouth opening, but the vowel point of the Swedish [y:] is moved forward in the mouth, as described above; I get the French vowel point to be even further back than in German. If I compare French vous or foux with Swedish [u:] (as in foga), then the French mouth opening width is about 1 cm - that is, the Swedish [u:] is considerable more narrow. I get the mouth opening in German Buch is further a bit wider than in French, thus similar to the Swedish u [ʉː] above, though the vowel point is very different.
I should caution that I am not an expert on German and French pronunciation, though I did study those languages to pick up a good approximation of what is spoken.
It strikes me that the general theme is that the Swedish vowels are pronounced to extremes relative French, German and English, without adding fricative effects, which may make speakers of those languages think Swedish is slow and tedious - it might take longer time to pronounce the vowels this way, especially in the absence of diphthongs in Swedish. But, by the same token, those languages may sound sloppy to Swedish speakers that do not know them well. Haberg ( talk) 13:39, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
für [fyːr] 1.5 cm 5 mm
that is, mouth opening height as in Swedish [y:], width like in Swedish [ʉ:]. The vocal point (backness) is as in international [i:], tongue and roof not as close as in Swedish, but more like English peep [pi:p]. Haberg ( talk) 22:01, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
i: sil no rounding u: bot endolabial rounding øː nöt exolabial rounding
To get Swedish [y:], close the lips one half on [øː], but keep the width. To get Swedish [ʉː], widen the [u:], but make sure to keep the height very narrow, maybe even closing down a bit relative [u:].
Also, some linguists (according to Swedish national radio SR) noted that vowel length (time) in Swedish is more important than getting it exactly right in texture - it will then be understood, though sounding foreign. Haberg ( talk) 22:42, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
Good day. Thanks for taking your time in informing me.
I was expecting that there will be further vandalisms, that is why I have made an action of semi-protecting some of the articles on English Wikipedia.
If you have still more further concerns, feel free to send me a message. Thanks. - Lee Heon Jin ( Talk/Usapan/Pamisabi-sabi) 11:29, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
Hi; I'm just curious what the distinction (to a layman) is between IPA: /vɪkˈtɔriə/ and IPA: /vɪkˈtɔɹiə/ might be; I understand that one is a "soft" /r/ and another is a "hard" /r/...but I'm also wondering what your source for this as "authentic" is...myself I say it with barely an /r/ in it, it just flits by; somebody emphasizing the /r/ to me would have the same ring as someone saying "Frazhier" for the Fraser, i.e. an outside affectation; on the other hand an upper-crust expat Brit in Victoria would say it different than someone from another class, or another ethnic background. Whose is correct? Is there a "correct" pronunciation? i.e. in terms of English as it it spoken in Victoria? I'm not so sure. Also with /vænˈkuːvɚ/) that /æ/ kind of bothers me - isn't that a diphthongized "a", a "twang" on the "a" - certainly how Americans say it....I wish I knew IPA better so I could offer how I say it myself, which is sort of a very "flat" non-diphthongized /a/....but then I come from the Fraser Valley, where the influnce of Dutch and German on such names can be very pronounced.....and again, because of hte diversity of the city as it has come to be, I'm uncertain that there is any one "correct" pronunciation anymore...there were articles in the era of the Toronto influx in the '80s commenting on how native Vancouverites (native-born, not FN) Vancouverites allegedly said something like Van-kew-ver; again a straight /u/ (?) sound is more normal to me, but again I was raised around Dutchmen....just some thoughts, and curious what citations are available for these pronunciations/IPAs, and what makes one more authentic than any other? Skookum1 ( talk) 13:57, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
Today you have changed the Gumuz language article to the effect that it is a language isolate. All the cited sources on the page (as far as I know) agree that it is a Nilo-Saharan language, although admittedly some doubt the classification together with the Koman languages as Komuz. Anyway, the claim that Gumuz is an isolate needs to be supported by some kind of reference. Do you have anything along these lines? Otherwise I would have to assume that you are submitting original research. Please advise! Best wishes, Landroving Linguist ( talk) 15:51, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
On the same topic, I noticed that you amended the number of Gumuz speakers in Ethiopia from 120,424 to 120,000. Was there a reason other than a preference for round numbers? I only ask because the 2007 Ethiopian census states that there are 159,418 members of the Gumuz ethnicity which sounds like it could be the right number -- but you might have a better source. Especially because it's likely that not all Gumuz are competent in their mother language. (And no, I'm not being sarcastic here; I just noticed that possible reading of what I wrote.) -- llywrch ( talk) 06:06, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
remainder of List of Tibeto-Burman languages. Complete Bodish/Tibetic. kwami ( talk)
At the Burmese language infobox, why do you keep putting "Tibeto-Burman" in parentheses? AFAIK it's not a controversial group, and even if it were, parenthesizing it without an explanation as to what parentheses mean is just confusing. — An gr 11:33, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
Why are all these parens around Tibeto-Burman in the language templates? It makes no sense. Tibeto-Burman is widely accepted as a valid node--I know of no one who really questions this. Parens around it are confusing, but I'm finding them everywhere. The last time I made a Tibeto-Burman article I know they weren't there. When did you insert them? Or someone else? They should be removed because they imply that Tibeto-Burman is somehow debatable (which it isn't). ( Taivo ( talk) 12:40, 31 January 2009 (UTC))
FYI, uploaded File:Languenglexpandedtest.jpg, since it appears the current image omisses (is that a word? correction: omits) some rather relevant language family divisions (or so it seems to me) and languages. While it can never be wholly accurate (to a pixel), this could help possible future editors. Hope the enlarged caption is big enough ( with 78 possible colors) , looking at the language families template you have constructed :-). As you can see from the image, I'm no linguist, though I have some strange notions (I guess) of it. I wouldn't dream up to finish and push up this one. Dreg743 ( talk) 12:59, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
You seem to have reclassified several languages as "Sinitic", rather than "Sino-Tibetan", and created a new "Sinitic Languages" article. When you make changes of this magnitude, you need to supply ample references and discuss on article talk pages. It appears that you have not done so, and many of your changes have been reverted. I'm not saying that any of your changes are wrong, as I have no idea, but you need to follow Wikipedia guidelines before changing these articles.-- Danaman5 ( talk) 22:25, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
Well I adjusted the format of the diagram to its present form, and then you reverted. But yes, neither of us should violate the 3RR, and I don't want you to get blocked. Considering I have compromised the Merriam-Webster dictionary with you, you should probably compromise the diagram. The diagram is in the exact same format except that Bai is on the bottom branch instead of the top, but convey the same meaning (branch of Sinitic but it isn't classified under Chinese).-- TheLeopard ( talk) 08:11, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
Can you give an example of a tab or sig that you think is not iconic? They are all transparently iconic to me. kwami ( talk) 02:20, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
Sen:espera was, I'm almost positive, put on Wikipedia by the same person who invented it—I haven't found it elsewhere. And it might be the same with Esperant'. The other Esperantidos I believe are genuinely notable, but Wikipedia isn't a place for self-published nonnotable material. Would you please take them back off the article? Jchthys ( talk) 02:57, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
Hey, Kwami. There's a situation going on at Tatar language that I'm a bit frustrated with. There's an editor with a serious Islamic POV trying to insist that [h] arose in Tatar because of the word "Allah" and that [h] was lost in Tatar because the Soviets were atheists. I've violated 3RR two days in a row now trying to fix this. But he doesn't discuss the issue on the Talk page, just gives Edit Summaries that say "my way is better", "this is fact", etc. He doesn't use the Talk page (or even read it as far as I can tell). Thanks. ( Taivo ( talk) 15:16, 9 February 2009 (UTC))
Please help. User:Pietru il-Boqli is extensively edit warring, and keeps trying to add an anti-Arabic and anti-Libyan POV into the article, as well as a nasty habit of personal attacks. I've tried to talk with him on his talk page - he deleted it. I've tried to talk to him by edit summary - he carried on reverting to his version. I've finally managed to get him to talk on the article talk page, but even now, he's still reverting, and not listening to what I'm saying or responding to my points. Your help would be greatly appreciated. 78.149.184.232 ( talk) 16:09, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
I'm really tired of all the idiocy over Malta. Anon., it would help if you bothered to sign it. kwami ( talk) 19:41, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
The code goes in your .js file, not .css. All you need to add is “importScript('User:Nohat/IPA.js'); // [[User:Nohat/IPA.js]]” (the commented link after the slashes lets Nohat use what links here to see who is using his code). — Michael Z. 2009-02-12 02:59 z
Thanks for the page protection at Maltese language. ( Taivo ( talk) 06:45, 12 February 2009 (UTC))
Although I very much appreciate the work you have done on the article Wenzhou dialect it is a fact that it is much more widely known as "Wenzhou Dialect" (google hits over 800, whereas for "Oujiang Chinese" there are only 3 hits). We can clarify that it, in fact, is a language by most linguistic definitions. But it is not necessary to call the language a name that most people do not identify it with. This is in accordance with Wikipedia's policy on "most commonly used name". Colipon+( T) 05:24, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
Does living in the state of Hawaii and using the pronunciation at Help:Pronunciation respelling key help a tad? It's pronounced like "how-MAY-uh". Hau is a syllable (pronounced like the word "how"), and is proceeded by "mea", pronounced "MAY-uh". Cheers. obento musubi 06:14, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
Dear Kwamikagami,
I want to ask whether article
Spirit rover &
rings of Saturn can be candidated as featured article?
Thanks.
Ayrenz (
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11:13, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
You're right, I can't see OED's schwi. I think it has something to do with fonts. What's worse is that I noticed in [ this edit that the two boxes you placed aren't even recognized as two separate characters when I do an in-page search. — Ƶ§œš¹ [aɪm ˈfɻɛ̃ⁿdˡi] 21:04, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
Hi, do you have Linguistics on your watchlist? A user is trying to redefine linguistics according to what she wishes it meant, and Garik and I are having difficulty persuading her she's acting against consensus as there are only two of us at the moment. More contributors to the discussion are needed! — An gr 09:53, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
It should be principle rather than principal. 122.162.170.198 ( talk) 07:44, 4 March 2009 (UTC) (Supriya)
I think it makes sense to not include Burmese dialects where they were. But they should be listed somewhere, and the citations need to be appropriate. For example, it might make sense to move the Burmese dialects to a new article 'Burmese Dialects' or something, but if this was done we would need to have the relevant citations also moved. Tibetologist ( talk) 11:09, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
How do you think this is for a solution. Tibetologist ( talk) 14:06, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
Fair enough! I did wonder. It does seem strange for the compromise to be different to the existing literature, but I appreciate Wikipedia needs to find a middle ground. Hope no-one was offended! Scyrene ( talk) 01:34, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
Check your inbox! Knepflerle ( talk) 11:48, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
Ever you ever been to Pakistan. User:Yousaf465 ( talk)
You have did on your user page [2]. Seems to be frequent flyer. As far our national airline goes "Great people to fly with". So If you ever come to Pakistan remember to visit the Lahore and Karachi. Lahore for it's historical building,and Karachi for it's beach. User:Yousaf465 ( talk)
Dear Kwa, please look at the reasson that Trigaramus give to close this page. The page has uncontested information .The reference that Trigaranus propose to close does not apply .
Iberian-Guanche inscriptions page was heavily edited anyway and Canarian-Iberian scripts IS NOT THE SAME PAGE. Please undelete the new "Iberian-Canarian page"
Trigaranus may just pursuing censorship,because a conflict of interests(This is not usual to say,but what else is the reason?).Unless ,he is persecuting Antonio Arnaiz-Villena because a Palestinian paper he wrote and which created a hunt against A A-V years ago .This is not the Wikipedia policy.
In addition,AA-V has nothing to do with this page and Trigaranus in his discussions is obsesed with him.AA-V is only marginally quoted.But his name should be removed from this page ,if this is a problem for Wikipedia.
The discussion for Keep or Delete was balanced.
I would ask you to offer a solution for this conflict.
Iberomesornix has put an altogether different page (Iberian-Canarian) to Iberian Guanche one. This is your argument for your actions.
I would stronly ask you to look a bit more in detail in the Iberomesornix Iberian-Canarian discussion .Iberom. clearly shows with direct links that Trigaranus reaseons to close the page are not true-- Virginal6 ( talk) 10:41, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
Can you slow down a touch pls? Making Basque Vasconic rather than isolate is fairly fringe. Mainstream basque studies accepts aquitanian as the direct ancestor of all modern dialects of basque - which means basque is still an isolate. Akerbeltz ( talk) 02:49, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
I dunno... the whole page is... off centre somehow. Most items are dealt with on the Basque language page or the Aquitanian page. The Vasconic family thing is very fringe and the way it's worded at the moment makes it look mainstream. Given how other fringe stuff is relegated to subsections, I'd be tempted to remove the page but even if not, it needs re-writing. Akerbeltz ( talk) 02:54, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
Ok will do. They are all mutually intelligible, at least as much as Glasgow English and Cockney are. Don't trust Ethnologue on this one. Even as a learner speaker I can make sense of Zuberoan enough to get by. I'll try and find a source that overrides Ethnologue. Aquitanian and Basque are virtually identical bar a few predictable sound changes that were calculated to have happened even before the Aquitanian inscriptions were found (linke -m- < -nb- eg seme < senbe). If we ever find a love poem in Aquitanian, it'll just sound like quirky old fashioned Basque, so close are the two. The thing that I'd really like to see is the source that claims Aquitanian survived into the middle ages. I've *never* read that one. :) Akerbeltz ( talk) 12:29, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
actually i didn't violate 3rr, nor its intent. and that you are an administrator enforcing a viewpoint on an article that you contribute too is very very worrisome, seems a bit coi. wonder if that's cause for administrative review, guess i should research that.-- Buridan ( talk) 01:59, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
Thought you'd want to know that she's back at her reverting game again on linguistics —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.136.120.40 ( talk) 07:28, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
Dear Kwamikagami, are you aware of what is happening in the user and user talk page of user Iberomesornix. I think it is not right what he is doing (specially at he is using my own editions). Specially unproper is the accusation that implies his last paragraph in this edition with the same tall story that they are being prosecuted.
Also seems unproper his victimism claim that "Arnaiz-Villena is probably being prosecuted again" (same edition, some lines above) or his slandering in the [3] launching legal accusations, saying that a person is being prosecuted by the police (a person that can be easily identified, as against his claim the link is not anonymous as can be seen before Iberomesornix friend (Virginal6) retouched it in this edition) and Iberomesornix makes such a libel without the slightest reference nor proof. And as he claims that a person is an anonymous, when in the link was his name, and when Iberomesornix himself tells alleged personal data of his biography , it is very obvious his lack of sincerity.
I consider that Iberomesornix has broken many WP policies, and I am tired of his disruptive dicussions in that any reliable source is dubious and only part of a dark conspiracy (as the many that critizise the pseudo-scientific linguistic publications of Arnaiz Villena), that any person that wants to delete his articles has a conflict of interests, etc. etc. etc.
Kind Regards. -- Dumu Eduba ( talk) 11:39, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
It's a bit beside the point, but I just have to share my amusement: you've got to admit that that paper Dumu found is inherently funny. The good man bases his Egyptian-Basque "etymologies" on the Greek names (!) of Egyptian deities and not on the original ones! Is it a bad thing if I'm having genuine fun just because of things like these? Because I'm only a little ashamed. Trigaranus ( talk) 18:26, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
I think it would be useful to run checkuser. Maybe it all clears up, perhaps even with the suspected sockpuppets turning out to be respectable users individually and independently focused on these issues in their own rights; still, I'd say chances are there will be a different result. Trigaranus ( talk) 16:51, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
Kwa do not be that impatient .I am opening my own page and you will have me for long and perhaps for Wikipedia better and more contrasted contents in certain one-sided articles opinion-- Virginal6 ( talk) 21:32, 9 March 2009 (UTC).
I have put up a request for arbitration because of your deletion. -- Iberomesornix ( talk) 19:02, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
Anyway,thank you for wishing me good luck? -- Iberomesornix ( talk) 20:03, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
No hard feelings. I think everyone gets defensive when they have a POV they're defending. Alan16 ( talk) 08:51, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
Hey Kwamikagami, would you consider shortening the protection of Decimal a little? The vandalism doesn't look severe enough for semiprotection—I counted about 16 instances of vandalism during the past three months, which is easily manageable without protection. Also, the page hadn't been protected before, so I don't think it was necessary to go straight to indefinite. Maybe something like a couple weeks semi would be better here? Just something you may want to consider, it's your call all the way. Take care. -- Bongwarrior ( talk) 02:42, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
Hi, I unprotected Usko-Mediterranean languages because it was deleted by WP:PROD, not WP:AFD, so re-creation is allowed. I've got it on my watchlist, too. — An gr 18:48, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
Hi, it appears that you have moved the Ural-Altaic languages article to the wrong kind of hyphen article. The ndash hyphen '–' is not used when connecting words in English expressions such as Ural-Altaic; the normal hyphen '-' remains in use. The ndash hyphen is used for ranges such as "10–100". I suggest that you revert this move immediately. -- Vuo ( talk) 23:09, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for spotting that capitalization error; I've fixed some and will fix the rest later. -- Chzz ► 13:45, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
Thank you! Rationality prevails Dmccabe ( talk) 01:16, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
On sorting through eastern Indonesian languages - hope you dont mind me following and tagging here and there - cheers (nah never too much on a watch list I say btw) Satu Suro 01:34, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
- but hey - keep up the good work regardless Satu Suro 01:53, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
Hi, Breathy voice says that some languages "display a three-way consonant contrast (voiced<>breathy voiced<>voiceless), or possibly a four-way consonant contrast (voiced<>breathy voiced<>voiceless (unaspirated)<>voiceless aspirated)" and then goes on to list several languages with a four-way contrast. Do you know of any that make a three-way contrast, and if so, could you add them to the article? I'm interested because one of the arguments in favor of the glottalic theory is the supposed unlikeliness of a language having voiced aspirated (i.e. breathy-voice) stops without also having voiceless aspirated ones. — An gr 17:46, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
One can easily find the Chechen consonant system. Chechen has: f, v, and w. Any Chechen dictionary will show you this from the one by Awde/Galaev or Nichols/Vagapov. Awde has w versus v in words like: drum: watt versus brother: vasha. Both sources have f for words. Nichols has only v (a voiced labiodental fricative and not the approximant w).
Kwami, do you have any sort of consensus, guideline or straightforward recommendation to show for your rather pedantic typographical-hyphen article moves? Because if you haven't, I would say you are doing more harm than good. I have never seen "Proto-Indo-European" or "Proto-Indo-Iranian" typeset with two different kinds of hyphens. If you have seen this somewhere, it is still a long shot from satisfying WP:NAME as the most common usage.
Please seek consensus before you do mass edits of this kind. To my mind, this isn't a disaster, it is just very silly, and very pointless. -- dab (𒁳) 22:23, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
thank you. -- dab (𒁳) 21:20, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
You cited Aboriginals: Webster’s Quotations, Facts and Phrases. Icon Group International, 2008 as a source for the claim that the syllabary in question is an "abugida", without giving a quote or a page number. A title such as that seems to reflect an unlikely source for information on this topic. I am familiar with the published literature on the syllabary and am not aware of such a claim made by a scholar who researches the question. Can you provide more information on your supporting documentation? A generic source of the type you give appears to fall short of Wikipedia's expectations for sourcing. The Canadian Aboriginal Syllabics article is almost completely undocumented, so there is a more general issues here.
I will copy this to Talk:Canadian Aboriginal syllabics so any information that appears in a single place, so if you reply there that would be helpful. Jomeara421 ( talk) 23:56, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
You may be interested in these new categories - Category:Hybrid_languages and Category:Mixed languages and code-switches (since when is a language itself described as a "code switch"?) - this edit and the rest of this new user's contributions. Knepflerle ( talk) 14:10, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
On the Pashto language page, there is a romanization in use with which I am not familiar. It is nothing like the romanization of the Library of Congress. It is also not sourced. Are you familiar with it? I hope it is not someone's personal romanization. Azalea pomp ( talk) 18:47, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
I get a little strung out doing the number of adding the project tags and no refs tags have you any idea how many more for the Indonesian region you might be doing so I can at least work out where I come up for a breather? Satu Suro 01:34, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for that - youre doing a great job - and it is appreciated - just that when I saw this monrings run on
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:AlexNewArtBot/IndonesiaSearchResult I thought I ought to check
Satu
Suro
02:11, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
Hey, I wasn't sure who to contact about this so I chose you because you're the admin who protected the page. I can't edit the page due to my account being too new, but I left a comment at Talk:Moons of Jupiter concerning some information to be added to the article. Would you mind editing the page for me? Thanks! Recognizance ( talk) 16:28, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
I am one of two editors who have been trading edits on the page Code-switching. If you have interest in the topic, I would most happy to have your opinion on Talk:Code-switching. Cnilep ( talk) 03:19, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
Hi, you often use the terms "pointing" or "vowel pointing" to translate "nikud", which are unfamiliar to me and seem to be inadequate, since nikud consists of lines as well as dots. Are you very attached to this choice or would you be fine with "vowel diacritics"? Dan Pelleg ( talk) 22:48, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
Unambiguousness of words is an illusion… would it be safe to assume that some linguists apply "diacritic" relying on its graphic feature, i.e. "ancillary glyph", and others relying on a certain function, e.g. "pronunciation modifier" etc., effectively ending up with two similar but somewhat different meanings of the same word "diacritic"? Dan Pelleg ( talk) 01:37, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
Dontcha love 'em? Cheers, -- Evertype· ✆
Hey there. Thanks for your attempts on the Maltese people article. Maybe reading the resources first would make editing more accurate? Also, "Muslim rulers" works nicely, though your first edit to "Muslim elites" was rather odd! How exactly does one define a Muslim elite and based on what information did you come up with such a phrase? Anyway, the more editors working on Maltese articles, the better. ja fiswa imċappas bil-hara! ( talk) 12:10, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
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Hello, on Indonesian language entries like Javanese language and Balinese language, you've been removing Category:Malayo-Polynesian languages and Category:Languages of Indonesia. What's the rationale behind these removals? Offenbach ( talk) 14:41, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
Hey, slow down a minute. Trying to move & rearrange the material, not just relink all of it :)
Plus I got to LHB, and noticed great gaping issues in the Possible Causes section. Maybe structure it with a short summary here in Nice model and expand and condense it there (I'll get to that...). Iridia ( talk) 07:48, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
Hi again, you changed here (IPA transcriptions of Israeli and Yiddish pronunciations) the slashes to square brackets, which, as far as I know, denote precise phonetic transcription as opposed to phonemic transcription denoted by slashes. However, these transcriptions are in fact phonemic, specifically the vowels /a/, /e/ and /o/ don't exist in modern Hebrew, which employs only the mid-vowels [ɛ̝] / [e̞] and [ɔ̝] / [o̞] and the open central unrounded vowel [ä]. If you insist on the square brackets, I think these vowels should be accurately represented, but why not use the phonemic representation? Dan Pelleg ( talk) 11:59, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
Interesting comment on the God as the Devil talk page. I don't have any idea where to look for what you've mentioned, so it would be great if you think of where to find it.
What is particularly interesting about your comment is that the references you allude to would be making the point that worshipers of the Biblical God are worshiping the Devil. So it would be very interesting to find those references.
Re. God_as_the_Devil,
There is an ongoing discussion in Talk:God_as_the_Devil#Quotations about whether or not a number of quotations should or shouldn't be included in the article. I have no expertise in the area, and feel it would be very elpful to get some input from other users. I saw your input to the talk page, and wondered if you would be able to give your opinion on the matter - in that section of the talk page, please.`
Many thanks, -- Chzz ► 01:11, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
You've done a wonderful service, and made my life much easier! Thanks T L Miles ( talk) 01:15, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
Hi kwamikagami - I've moved your stub query to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals (and replied to it). Grutness... wha? 09:30, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
kwami, I know you're busy but I think it'd be greatly appreciated if an admin finally took some decisive action against User talk:62.42.233.35, he's been consistently vandalising for months and has had more warning than a donkey has fleas but no one seems to want to do anything. For some reason the Ignatius of Loyola page seems to attract vandals... Akerbeltz ( talk) 10:56, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
I notice that you've started including Borneo-Philippines in the Malayo-Polynesian boxes. This is not a widely-accepted grouping and the evidence for it is slim to none. Even the article on the group here in Wikipedia admits that it may very well be a geographical grouping rather than a genetic one. Adelaar and Himmelmann don't even mention it as far as I can tell. Until there is some consensus among specialists, Wikipedia shouldn't be endorsing a classification so obscure and not widely used. If the origin of it is Ross (1995) [which was actually written several years before publication], then the lack of usage over the last 15 years seems to point to a lack of acceptance. Unless you've got stronger evidence or a list of references that I'm not aware of supporting it, we should back off any endorsement or use of the "node". ( Taivo ( talk) 12:55, 24 March 2009 (UTC))
I noticed that both Nahuatl and Korean speakers generally do not start words with the letter L. Korean and Nahuatl speakers tend to drop the letter L from the beginning of loan words that begin with L. A Spanish r becomes L. Lorenzo, for example, becomes Olenso in Nahuatl. In Korean, Lee and Rhee become ee. Other similarities are that the F changes to P. Spanish V and B become P. (For Nahuatl references see, Andres de Olmos, Art of the Mexican Language)(Korean is my own observations). In Nahuatl, th seems to change to a single sound tl (My own observation).
In addition, there are some words that seem to be alike. For example: Rabbit or Hare is Toki in Korean and Tochin in Nahuatl. I have been informed that both cultures consider the rabbit to be the picture in the moon and related to drunkeness (See Sahagun for Aztec culture. My own observation for Korean).
Are there any studies that have compared Korean with Nahuatl or a common ancestor? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tomlevinelaw ( talk • contribs) 18:48, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
to respond to your question posted last november (never new I could get messages on wikipedia...sorry, so never knew to check...but anyway) You asked why I said Voudou(n) is polytheistic.
Christianity has 1 God, and a 'son'. Not a pantheon. Catholicism is quite distinct from Protestant Christianity. Catholicism has many saints (with Voudoun deities sharing names in some areas). I don't know that Catholicism regards them as deities, but I'm not a Catholic expert (not really an expert in anything, just a little bit in several areas). My exposure to Voudoun is minimal through pagan world/readings/studies and as associated with Santeria.
It seems the primal forces of nature are more likely associated with specific 'entities' in Voudoun.
Though, in some regard, even Greek/Roman mythology started with 'one or few' deities, and expanded to multiple deities to focus on specific purposes.
I and the sources I've read/known may be wrong, but I've never, in any source, heard or seen Voudoun referred as monothestic.
Monotheism is usually associated with there being (1). Deity at the top who's word is law. There are no side-views or flavors.
Saints, as I understand in Catholicism, were supposed to be mostly 'people' who became saints (usually after death).
I don't see monotheism as allowing much room for 'Gods' of power roughly equal to the head God. In fact, God in the JudeoChristian mythos is said to be a "jealous" god -- and to have no other gods before him.
Doesn't sounds like that monotheism likes 'sharing' the stage.
I didn't think Voudoun had a "top honcho" God that was jealous and demanded devotion to him and him alone (or his 'son' under New-Testament)....
However, I claim to be an expert in nothing. :-)
*peace* and certainly no offense meant in anyway for anything I misunderstand or mistate!
Athena ( talk) 02:20, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
Hi Kwami, I've left a note about a mistake in the map of Central Solomons languages at File talk:Central_Solomons_languages.png. Ngio ( talk) 19:41, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
Kwami, Could you cite the particular 2008 source for reclassifying Numbami as (more) Ngero-Vitiaz than Huon Gulf in language-family affiliation? I can't find it on the general AN vocab database site. I'm not opposed to the reclassification, but I'm particularly interested since I'm the principal source of the Numbami data. Joel ( talk) 21:03, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
The word reptilumi in the article Esperanto vocabulary looked as if it might be original research, considering that it was so infrequently used. Can you find a source? — Jch thys 21:58, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
Please have a look at changes to my explanation; what I meant in the first draft was that it only echoes the French pronunciation, but forgot to add that the accent is on the first syllable - NICK-ola (commonly with a swchwa or some neutral vowel or other where that "o" is). I think I've got the rewording right and it needs IPA for the usually-used form., could use please oblige?...I'd meant that it wasn't in "English" form - Ni-COAL-a, which is often used by newcomers to BC until they get that straightened out (like KWEZ-nel for Quesnel, which also echoes the French pronuciation but is still different (Kweh-NEL).....maybe "adapted from the French pronunciation" would be better than "echoes the French pronunciation"? Skookum1 ( talk) 22:40, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
I need a little help with the article Classification of Japanese, which after a long period of stability has been subjected to radical edits that are, in my opinion, gratuitous and intentionally destructive. Please examine the matter and, if relevant, pass it on to proper authorities. Regards, VikSol ( talk) 23:48, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
Thank you for creating Northern Philippine languages! Happy editing, Kingturtle ( talk) 20:01, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
I have nominated Ukaan language, an article that you created, for deletion. I do not think that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ukaan language. Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time.
Please contact me if you're unsure why you received this message. Chzz ► 09:09, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
Thought you might be interested in this. Apparently this academy has been "restored", which is fine in and of itself, but some people have decided that this means that they're allowed to replace the existing page with a kind of statement of intent of the new academy. Mithridates ( talk) 01:28, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
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I don't mean to be overly argumentative on the Swahili language page about the countries in the infobox, but I'm doing a very restrictive read on the sources. User:Middayexpress is on a rampage on the Arabic language page and keeps citing Oman and UAE on the Swahili language page as "evidence" for why there should be a long list of countries on the Arabic language page. He's not arguing the Arabic language issues at all, but focusing on the Swahili language page. I don't want him to have one drop of fuel for his tirade on the Arabic language page based on an overly broad list of countries on the Swahili language page. I'm sticking very tightly to the references in this case. It's nothing personal with you, I assure you. ( Taivo ( talk) 08:27, 2 January 2009 (UTC))
For the following, are they diacritics or letters, because i see blank boxes, and how do enable them?
In addition, diacritics were used to create new letters for Min-nan and Hakka.
Char | Pinyin | Char | Pinyin | Char | Pinyin | Char | Pinyin | |||
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ㆠ | bb* | ㆦ | oo [ɔ] | ㆬ | syllabic m | ㆲ | ong | |||
ㆡ | zz* | ㆧ | onn [õ] | ㆭ | syllabic ng | ㆳ | Innn ?? citation needed | |||
ㆢ | jj* | ㆨ | ir [ɨ] | ㆮ | ainn [aĩ] | ㆴ | Final p | |||
ㆣ | gg* | ㆩ | ann [ã] | ㆯ | aunn [aũ] | ㆵ | Final t | |||
ㆤ | ee [e] | ㆪ | inn [ĩ] | ㆰ | am | ㆶ | Final k | |||
ㆥ | enn [ẽ] | ㆫ | unn [ũ] | ㆱ | om | ㆷ | Final h [ʔ] |
*These are the "muddy" initials found in Minnan and Wu dialects.
See Taiwanese for the two additional tone marks required to write these languages.
and can you identify the sound values for the extended one for Min-nan and hakka, they are really confusing
i was acually asking for IPA, sorry for being late.
and the IPA for this too.
Char | Pinyin |
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万 | v |
兀 | ng |
广 | ny |
There's an anonymous IP user trying to delete cross-references at Relexification. He's not talking on the Talk page and has no justification for removing the cross references. ( Taivo ( talk) 14:21, 4 January 2009 (UTC))
Hi, I'm afraid I don't know much about obsolete Hangul jamo and I don't know anybody knowledgeable in the subject either. Sorry! -- Kjoon lee 12:46, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
Currently in North America there is epidemic shortening of "A" long in open penult such as first syllable of DATA and in anatomical and taxonomic terms. Is there any evidence when this began, or did the prescribed traditional pronunciation always differ from usage in this respect? Should this be mentioned in the History section?
Thank you.
Steamer405 ( talk) 21:13, 6 January 2009 (UTC) 2009 January 06
An informal survey on the Internet tells me that Australians pronounce Mt Kosciuszko as /kozzy-OSS-koh/, and where I grew up in Massachusetts there was a street by that name and it was pronounced /koss-key-OOS-koh/. A google search [1] reveals yet more possible pronunciations, such as /kozzy-ESS-koh/ for Mississippi (sorry, typing Wikipedia standard IPA is a hassle). I would say that this name probably does belong on the list, in fact if anything it deserves to be listed at least twice (for Australia and Mississippi; I think the pronunciation I grew up with is confined to that one little neighborhood). If it's okay with you I'll go ahead and add it back into the article, this time with proper formatting. (Or if you'd rather do it yourself that'd be good too.) Soap Talk/ Contributions 02:24, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
Hanja, Kanji, and Hanzi should be capitalized because they are proper nouns. moocowsrule talk to moo 00:45, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
Please do not move templates which are used, and not transcluded, on many pages, as this will actually cause a great deal of disruption. Please only move templates after you have gained consensus to do so.— Dæ dαlus ContribsRespond on my talk please 09:30, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
Kwami, we really need to have some people overseeing what an enthusiastic editor is doing over at Linear B. He's not working within the usual constraints of our Writing Systems projects. -- Evertype· ✆ 11:01, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
I found Stokoe notation among references to my ASCII-Stokoe notation. Looking at that page, I was startled by the uncredited proposal described there for a typeable ASCII version. Is it yours? Please see Talk:Stokoe_notation#ASCII_typeable_equivalent. -- Thnidu ( talk) 19:45, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
FYI, there is a discussion about your editing at Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#User:Kwamikagami. -- Ricky81682 ( talk) 10:00, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
Bonjour,
Can you load your file
to
Commons, I don't know how to do. Thanks.
Budelberger (
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When I skimmed through some dinosaur pages, I noticed that you keep on using r, which represents the "rolled" r, but you should, from now on, use ɹ. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bugboy52.40 ( talk • contribs) 03:19, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
Was;
The influence of the seven-days of creation in Genesis was the birth of the continuous seven-day week. But it is claimed by many that Genesis originated from Mesopotamian mythology. ion according to Genesis therefore it's likely it was an evolution of the Sumerian seven-day week.
Your edit (twice)
The seven days of creation in Genesis are popularly credited with the birth of the seven-day week. However, this Genesis creation myth may have originated in Mesopotamian mythology Creation according to Genesis and the week is a continuation of the Sumerian seven-day week.
It's not a continuation of the Sumerian seven-day week is it?! Their week is 4 x 7 plus a day or 2. That's why I stated 'CONTINUOUS' which you have deleted. It's unknown what was used before 586BCE it could have been either. There's a big gap between the two systems. So please stop amending it or add some cites to back up your amendment.--
Pnb73 (
talk) 08:07, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
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Pnb73 (
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08:07, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
I did, if you had taken the time to read the words after "....evolution of the Sumerian seven-day week. " there's a section titled Sumerians . Quite a clue really, you would have understood if you'd read it.
Because that section was titled Jews. It made sense to explain the Sumerian Week within the Sumerian section. Directly below it...
There are references!!!!
The earliest evidence of continuous seven-day week can be attributed to the Jews in 586BCE during the Babylonian Captivity [1]
Apologies if the [1] is too small. Should I put this [1] in bold or a large font for your benefit?
All of this time wasting could have been avoided if you read the feckin' thing. Shall I undo or will you... --
Pnb73 (
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10:25, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
OK, would you be happy if I added after ...evolution of the Sumerian seven-day week?
to enlighten those who cannot be bothered to read the next section? -- Pnb73 ( talk) 11:29, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
File:DP masses.png, an image uploaded to Wikipedia from this account in October 2008, is now File:Dwarf planet masses.png ( Commons:File:Dwarf planet masses.png). — Athaenara ✉ 20:41, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
Hello,
It would be nice if you would care about the "Parent systems" tree consistency in Kana Hiragana Katakana Japanese_writing_system Kanji and maybe add the whole template to Hentaigana Furigana Okurigana Man'yōgana.
I wrote you because I saw that you wrote "Kanji is not a script" which I never thought about and than later said "Hm,right!". I still thing since todays Kanji have a diff. stroke order and new jap. only Kanji it can today be considert a script of its own. However these trees display a Historical development and durring that time Kanji was just Chinese.
Anyway , my english is not that good ,I lack knowledge about the whole thing and I allready made some errors (i studied no linguistics ^^) so I hope you can find the time to take over the disscussion Talk:Japanese_writing_system#Parent_systems and keep the trees save :P
The biggest problem IMO is that people constantly try to put "Chinese character" in the tree... And that Kanji was in many of em ...
One big problem is that all Chinese related articles have "Chinese character" at the top (see Chữ_Nôm and Simplified_Chinese_character, Traditional_Chinese_character) most likely because one fail edit ... The tree is a display of development and should not contain this as root. Arabic_alphabet (a.o.) does contain a specific script as well at the top and not some article that talks about the whole development displayed in the tree. All the tree elements are using oracle bone script as root (not changed by me) and are very consistent ... someone did fail edit the "chinese" into the root a long time ago ...
PS: You will see I added "Regular script (Kanji)" ; Which was done only to prevent edits that will put Kanji back in ... do as you like ^^! PPS: I also want you to take over because I have a bad temper when people do something dump :(
Regards ! 79.192.230.96 ( talk) 14:00, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
You'll note that I did request that discussion take place on the Talk page. -- Evertype· ✆ 10:17, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
Hi, some of the mass changes you made over these two days are incorrect. All Hong Kong/Macau should not be changed from Cantonese (linguistics) --> Yue Cantonese but rather to Standard Cantonese. Hopefully you can fix it up, thankyou. Dengero ( talk) 13:19, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
[I don't log in often - email is safer.] I will try to describe Swedish long u and y, but it is tricky - check if it works on somebody else :-). What I say only applies to the dialect I speak (mainstream Stockholm, which is essentially the one generally spoken in national broadcast media).
Start with Swedish long i [i:], compare Swedish pip [pi:p] with English peep [pi:p]; then in Swedish, the vowel position in the mouth is the same, but the tongue puts more pressure onto the roof of the mouth (the passage is narrower), though the airflow should still be smooth (no semblance of frication or trilling), that is, it has higher vowel height.
Now move to y: first say Swedish fira [fi:ra] (haul, celebrate) and move it to fyra [fy:ra] (four). Then I am convinced that the vowel point (backness) should be moved forward in the mouth, towards the tongue position of "s". Then I also think that the vowel point is the same for u, as in fura [fʉːra] (pine). This is in fact opposite to what is shown in the diagram at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_phonology#Vowels
Now to the lip positions: compare fira [fi:ra], fyra [fy:ra], fura [fʉːra] and foga [fuːga] (join). Then the opening formed by the lips successively narrow, listing the opening width and height as follows (these can be measured using a transparent ruler in front of a mirror):
word width height fira [fiːra] 3.5 cm 5 mm fyra [fyːra] 2.5 cm 5 mm fura [fʉːra] 1.5 cm 2 mm foga [fuːɡa] 0.5 cm 2 mm
In all of these, except the last, there is no rounding of the opening - rather it should be as a horizontal bar. In the last one, the lips form a circular opening, but it may be due to the narrowing.
As for the pouting of the lips, that is natural for the last three, but I think it is not essential, but only needed as to form to the mouth opening formed by the lips.
If I compare German für and Swedish fyr [fy:r] (lighthouse), then I use the same lip-formed mouth opening, but the vowel point of the Swedish [y:] is moved forward in the mouth, as described above; I get the French vowel point to be even further back than in German. If I compare French vous or foux with Swedish [u:] (as in foga), then the French mouth opening width is about 1 cm - that is, the Swedish [u:] is considerable more narrow. I get the mouth opening in German Buch is further a bit wider than in French, thus similar to the Swedish u [ʉː] above, though the vowel point is very different.
I should caution that I am not an expert on German and French pronunciation, though I did study those languages to pick up a good approximation of what is spoken.
It strikes me that the general theme is that the Swedish vowels are pronounced to extremes relative French, German and English, without adding fricative effects, which may make speakers of those languages think Swedish is slow and tedious - it might take longer time to pronounce the vowels this way, especially in the absence of diphthongs in Swedish. But, by the same token, those languages may sound sloppy to Swedish speakers that do not know them well. Haberg ( talk) 13:39, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
für [fyːr] 1.5 cm 5 mm
that is, mouth opening height as in Swedish [y:], width like in Swedish [ʉ:]. The vocal point (backness) is as in international [i:], tongue and roof not as close as in Swedish, but more like English peep [pi:p]. Haberg ( talk) 22:01, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
i: sil no rounding u: bot endolabial rounding øː nöt exolabial rounding
To get Swedish [y:], close the lips one half on [øː], but keep the width. To get Swedish [ʉː], widen the [u:], but make sure to keep the height very narrow, maybe even closing down a bit relative [u:].
Also, some linguists (according to Swedish national radio SR) noted that vowel length (time) in Swedish is more important than getting it exactly right in texture - it will then be understood, though sounding foreign. Haberg ( talk) 22:42, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
Good day. Thanks for taking your time in informing me.
I was expecting that there will be further vandalisms, that is why I have made an action of semi-protecting some of the articles on English Wikipedia.
If you have still more further concerns, feel free to send me a message. Thanks. - Lee Heon Jin ( Talk/Usapan/Pamisabi-sabi) 11:29, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
Hi; I'm just curious what the distinction (to a layman) is between IPA: /vɪkˈtɔriə/ and IPA: /vɪkˈtɔɹiə/ might be; I understand that one is a "soft" /r/ and another is a "hard" /r/...but I'm also wondering what your source for this as "authentic" is...myself I say it with barely an /r/ in it, it just flits by; somebody emphasizing the /r/ to me would have the same ring as someone saying "Frazhier" for the Fraser, i.e. an outside affectation; on the other hand an upper-crust expat Brit in Victoria would say it different than someone from another class, or another ethnic background. Whose is correct? Is there a "correct" pronunciation? i.e. in terms of English as it it spoken in Victoria? I'm not so sure. Also with /vænˈkuːvɚ/) that /æ/ kind of bothers me - isn't that a diphthongized "a", a "twang" on the "a" - certainly how Americans say it....I wish I knew IPA better so I could offer how I say it myself, which is sort of a very "flat" non-diphthongized /a/....but then I come from the Fraser Valley, where the influnce of Dutch and German on such names can be very pronounced.....and again, because of hte diversity of the city as it has come to be, I'm uncertain that there is any one "correct" pronunciation anymore...there were articles in the era of the Toronto influx in the '80s commenting on how native Vancouverites (native-born, not FN) Vancouverites allegedly said something like Van-kew-ver; again a straight /u/ (?) sound is more normal to me, but again I was raised around Dutchmen....just some thoughts, and curious what citations are available for these pronunciations/IPAs, and what makes one more authentic than any other? Skookum1 ( talk) 13:57, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
Today you have changed the Gumuz language article to the effect that it is a language isolate. All the cited sources on the page (as far as I know) agree that it is a Nilo-Saharan language, although admittedly some doubt the classification together with the Koman languages as Komuz. Anyway, the claim that Gumuz is an isolate needs to be supported by some kind of reference. Do you have anything along these lines? Otherwise I would have to assume that you are submitting original research. Please advise! Best wishes, Landroving Linguist ( talk) 15:51, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
On the same topic, I noticed that you amended the number of Gumuz speakers in Ethiopia from 120,424 to 120,000. Was there a reason other than a preference for round numbers? I only ask because the 2007 Ethiopian census states that there are 159,418 members of the Gumuz ethnicity which sounds like it could be the right number -- but you might have a better source. Especially because it's likely that not all Gumuz are competent in their mother language. (And no, I'm not being sarcastic here; I just noticed that possible reading of what I wrote.) -- llywrch ( talk) 06:06, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
remainder of List of Tibeto-Burman languages. Complete Bodish/Tibetic. kwami ( talk)
At the Burmese language infobox, why do you keep putting "Tibeto-Burman" in parentheses? AFAIK it's not a controversial group, and even if it were, parenthesizing it without an explanation as to what parentheses mean is just confusing. — An gr 11:33, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
Why are all these parens around Tibeto-Burman in the language templates? It makes no sense. Tibeto-Burman is widely accepted as a valid node--I know of no one who really questions this. Parens around it are confusing, but I'm finding them everywhere. The last time I made a Tibeto-Burman article I know they weren't there. When did you insert them? Or someone else? They should be removed because they imply that Tibeto-Burman is somehow debatable (which it isn't). ( Taivo ( talk) 12:40, 31 January 2009 (UTC))
FYI, uploaded File:Languenglexpandedtest.jpg, since it appears the current image omisses (is that a word? correction: omits) some rather relevant language family divisions (or so it seems to me) and languages. While it can never be wholly accurate (to a pixel), this could help possible future editors. Hope the enlarged caption is big enough ( with 78 possible colors) , looking at the language families template you have constructed :-). As you can see from the image, I'm no linguist, though I have some strange notions (I guess) of it. I wouldn't dream up to finish and push up this one. Dreg743 ( talk) 12:59, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
You seem to have reclassified several languages as "Sinitic", rather than "Sino-Tibetan", and created a new "Sinitic Languages" article. When you make changes of this magnitude, you need to supply ample references and discuss on article talk pages. It appears that you have not done so, and many of your changes have been reverted. I'm not saying that any of your changes are wrong, as I have no idea, but you need to follow Wikipedia guidelines before changing these articles.-- Danaman5 ( talk) 22:25, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
Well I adjusted the format of the diagram to its present form, and then you reverted. But yes, neither of us should violate the 3RR, and I don't want you to get blocked. Considering I have compromised the Merriam-Webster dictionary with you, you should probably compromise the diagram. The diagram is in the exact same format except that Bai is on the bottom branch instead of the top, but convey the same meaning (branch of Sinitic but it isn't classified under Chinese).-- TheLeopard ( talk) 08:11, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
Can you give an example of a tab or sig that you think is not iconic? They are all transparently iconic to me. kwami ( talk) 02:20, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
Sen:espera was, I'm almost positive, put on Wikipedia by the same person who invented it—I haven't found it elsewhere. And it might be the same with Esperant'. The other Esperantidos I believe are genuinely notable, but Wikipedia isn't a place for self-published nonnotable material. Would you please take them back off the article? Jchthys ( talk) 02:57, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
Hey, Kwami. There's a situation going on at Tatar language that I'm a bit frustrated with. There's an editor with a serious Islamic POV trying to insist that [h] arose in Tatar because of the word "Allah" and that [h] was lost in Tatar because the Soviets were atheists. I've violated 3RR two days in a row now trying to fix this. But he doesn't discuss the issue on the Talk page, just gives Edit Summaries that say "my way is better", "this is fact", etc. He doesn't use the Talk page (or even read it as far as I can tell). Thanks. ( Taivo ( talk) 15:16, 9 February 2009 (UTC))
Please help. User:Pietru il-Boqli is extensively edit warring, and keeps trying to add an anti-Arabic and anti-Libyan POV into the article, as well as a nasty habit of personal attacks. I've tried to talk with him on his talk page - he deleted it. I've tried to talk to him by edit summary - he carried on reverting to his version. I've finally managed to get him to talk on the article talk page, but even now, he's still reverting, and not listening to what I'm saying or responding to my points. Your help would be greatly appreciated. 78.149.184.232 ( talk) 16:09, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
I'm really tired of all the idiocy over Malta. Anon., it would help if you bothered to sign it. kwami ( talk) 19:41, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
The code goes in your .js file, not .css. All you need to add is “importScript('User:Nohat/IPA.js'); // [[User:Nohat/IPA.js]]” (the commented link after the slashes lets Nohat use what links here to see who is using his code). — Michael Z. 2009-02-12 02:59 z
Thanks for the page protection at Maltese language. ( Taivo ( talk) 06:45, 12 February 2009 (UTC))
Although I very much appreciate the work you have done on the article Wenzhou dialect it is a fact that it is much more widely known as "Wenzhou Dialect" (google hits over 800, whereas for "Oujiang Chinese" there are only 3 hits). We can clarify that it, in fact, is a language by most linguistic definitions. But it is not necessary to call the language a name that most people do not identify it with. This is in accordance with Wikipedia's policy on "most commonly used name". Colipon+( T) 05:24, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
Does living in the state of Hawaii and using the pronunciation at Help:Pronunciation respelling key help a tad? It's pronounced like "how-MAY-uh". Hau is a syllable (pronounced like the word "how"), and is proceeded by "mea", pronounced "MAY-uh". Cheers. obento musubi 06:14, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
Dear Kwamikagami,
I want to ask whether article
Spirit rover &
rings of Saturn can be candidated as featured article?
Thanks.
Ayrenz (
talk)
11:13, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
You're right, I can't see OED's schwi. I think it has something to do with fonts. What's worse is that I noticed in [ this edit that the two boxes you placed aren't even recognized as two separate characters when I do an in-page search. — Ƶ§œš¹ [aɪm ˈfɻɛ̃ⁿdˡi] 21:04, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
Hi, do you have Linguistics on your watchlist? A user is trying to redefine linguistics according to what she wishes it meant, and Garik and I are having difficulty persuading her she's acting against consensus as there are only two of us at the moment. More contributors to the discussion are needed! — An gr 09:53, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
It should be principle rather than principal. 122.162.170.198 ( talk) 07:44, 4 March 2009 (UTC) (Supriya)
I think it makes sense to not include Burmese dialects where they were. But they should be listed somewhere, and the citations need to be appropriate. For example, it might make sense to move the Burmese dialects to a new article 'Burmese Dialects' or something, but if this was done we would need to have the relevant citations also moved. Tibetologist ( talk) 11:09, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
How do you think this is for a solution. Tibetologist ( talk) 14:06, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
Fair enough! I did wonder. It does seem strange for the compromise to be different to the existing literature, but I appreciate Wikipedia needs to find a middle ground. Hope no-one was offended! Scyrene ( talk) 01:34, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
Check your inbox! Knepflerle ( talk) 11:48, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
Ever you ever been to Pakistan. User:Yousaf465 ( talk)
You have did on your user page [2]. Seems to be frequent flyer. As far our national airline goes "Great people to fly with". So If you ever come to Pakistan remember to visit the Lahore and Karachi. Lahore for it's historical building,and Karachi for it's beach. User:Yousaf465 ( talk)
Dear Kwa, please look at the reasson that Trigaramus give to close this page. The page has uncontested information .The reference that Trigaranus propose to close does not apply .
Iberian-Guanche inscriptions page was heavily edited anyway and Canarian-Iberian scripts IS NOT THE SAME PAGE. Please undelete the new "Iberian-Canarian page"
Trigaranus may just pursuing censorship,because a conflict of interests(This is not usual to say,but what else is the reason?).Unless ,he is persecuting Antonio Arnaiz-Villena because a Palestinian paper he wrote and which created a hunt against A A-V years ago .This is not the Wikipedia policy.
In addition,AA-V has nothing to do with this page and Trigaranus in his discussions is obsesed with him.AA-V is only marginally quoted.But his name should be removed from this page ,if this is a problem for Wikipedia.
The discussion for Keep or Delete was balanced.
I would ask you to offer a solution for this conflict.
Iberomesornix has put an altogether different page (Iberian-Canarian) to Iberian Guanche one. This is your argument for your actions.
I would stronly ask you to look a bit more in detail in the Iberomesornix Iberian-Canarian discussion .Iberom. clearly shows with direct links that Trigaranus reaseons to close the page are not true-- Virginal6 ( talk) 10:41, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
Can you slow down a touch pls? Making Basque Vasconic rather than isolate is fairly fringe. Mainstream basque studies accepts aquitanian as the direct ancestor of all modern dialects of basque - which means basque is still an isolate. Akerbeltz ( talk) 02:49, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
I dunno... the whole page is... off centre somehow. Most items are dealt with on the Basque language page or the Aquitanian page. The Vasconic family thing is very fringe and the way it's worded at the moment makes it look mainstream. Given how other fringe stuff is relegated to subsections, I'd be tempted to remove the page but even if not, it needs re-writing. Akerbeltz ( talk) 02:54, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
Ok will do. They are all mutually intelligible, at least as much as Glasgow English and Cockney are. Don't trust Ethnologue on this one. Even as a learner speaker I can make sense of Zuberoan enough to get by. I'll try and find a source that overrides Ethnologue. Aquitanian and Basque are virtually identical bar a few predictable sound changes that were calculated to have happened even before the Aquitanian inscriptions were found (linke -m- < -nb- eg seme < senbe). If we ever find a love poem in Aquitanian, it'll just sound like quirky old fashioned Basque, so close are the two. The thing that I'd really like to see is the source that claims Aquitanian survived into the middle ages. I've *never* read that one. :) Akerbeltz ( talk) 12:29, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
actually i didn't violate 3rr, nor its intent. and that you are an administrator enforcing a viewpoint on an article that you contribute too is very very worrisome, seems a bit coi. wonder if that's cause for administrative review, guess i should research that.-- Buridan ( talk) 01:59, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
Thought you'd want to know that she's back at her reverting game again on linguistics —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.136.120.40 ( talk) 07:28, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
Dear Kwamikagami, are you aware of what is happening in the user and user talk page of user Iberomesornix. I think it is not right what he is doing (specially at he is using my own editions). Specially unproper is the accusation that implies his last paragraph in this edition with the same tall story that they are being prosecuted.
Also seems unproper his victimism claim that "Arnaiz-Villena is probably being prosecuted again" (same edition, some lines above) or his slandering in the [3] launching legal accusations, saying that a person is being prosecuted by the police (a person that can be easily identified, as against his claim the link is not anonymous as can be seen before Iberomesornix friend (Virginal6) retouched it in this edition) and Iberomesornix makes such a libel without the slightest reference nor proof. And as he claims that a person is an anonymous, when in the link was his name, and when Iberomesornix himself tells alleged personal data of his biography , it is very obvious his lack of sincerity.
I consider that Iberomesornix has broken many WP policies, and I am tired of his disruptive dicussions in that any reliable source is dubious and only part of a dark conspiracy (as the many that critizise the pseudo-scientific linguistic publications of Arnaiz Villena), that any person that wants to delete his articles has a conflict of interests, etc. etc. etc.
Kind Regards. -- Dumu Eduba ( talk) 11:39, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
It's a bit beside the point, but I just have to share my amusement: you've got to admit that that paper Dumu found is inherently funny. The good man bases his Egyptian-Basque "etymologies" on the Greek names (!) of Egyptian deities and not on the original ones! Is it a bad thing if I'm having genuine fun just because of things like these? Because I'm only a little ashamed. Trigaranus ( talk) 18:26, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
I think it would be useful to run checkuser. Maybe it all clears up, perhaps even with the suspected sockpuppets turning out to be respectable users individually and independently focused on these issues in their own rights; still, I'd say chances are there will be a different result. Trigaranus ( talk) 16:51, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
Kwa do not be that impatient .I am opening my own page and you will have me for long and perhaps for Wikipedia better and more contrasted contents in certain one-sided articles opinion-- Virginal6 ( talk) 21:32, 9 March 2009 (UTC).
I have put up a request for arbitration because of your deletion. -- Iberomesornix ( talk) 19:02, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
Anyway,thank you for wishing me good luck? -- Iberomesornix ( talk) 20:03, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
No hard feelings. I think everyone gets defensive when they have a POV they're defending. Alan16 ( talk) 08:51, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
Hey Kwamikagami, would you consider shortening the protection of Decimal a little? The vandalism doesn't look severe enough for semiprotection—I counted about 16 instances of vandalism during the past three months, which is easily manageable without protection. Also, the page hadn't been protected before, so I don't think it was necessary to go straight to indefinite. Maybe something like a couple weeks semi would be better here? Just something you may want to consider, it's your call all the way. Take care. -- Bongwarrior ( talk) 02:42, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
Hi, I unprotected Usko-Mediterranean languages because it was deleted by WP:PROD, not WP:AFD, so re-creation is allowed. I've got it on my watchlist, too. — An gr 18:48, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
Hi, it appears that you have moved the Ural-Altaic languages article to the wrong kind of hyphen article. The ndash hyphen '–' is not used when connecting words in English expressions such as Ural-Altaic; the normal hyphen '-' remains in use. The ndash hyphen is used for ranges such as "10–100". I suggest that you revert this move immediately. -- Vuo ( talk) 23:09, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for spotting that capitalization error; I've fixed some and will fix the rest later. -- Chzz ► 13:45, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
Thank you! Rationality prevails Dmccabe ( talk) 01:16, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
On sorting through eastern Indonesian languages - hope you dont mind me following and tagging here and there - cheers (nah never too much on a watch list I say btw) Satu Suro 01:34, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
- but hey - keep up the good work regardless Satu Suro 01:53, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
Hi, Breathy voice says that some languages "display a three-way consonant contrast (voiced<>breathy voiced<>voiceless), or possibly a four-way consonant contrast (voiced<>breathy voiced<>voiceless (unaspirated)<>voiceless aspirated)" and then goes on to list several languages with a four-way contrast. Do you know of any that make a three-way contrast, and if so, could you add them to the article? I'm interested because one of the arguments in favor of the glottalic theory is the supposed unlikeliness of a language having voiced aspirated (i.e. breathy-voice) stops without also having voiceless aspirated ones. — An gr 17:46, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
One can easily find the Chechen consonant system. Chechen has: f, v, and w. Any Chechen dictionary will show you this from the one by Awde/Galaev or Nichols/Vagapov. Awde has w versus v in words like: drum: watt versus brother: vasha. Both sources have f for words. Nichols has only v (a voiced labiodental fricative and not the approximant w).
Kwami, do you have any sort of consensus, guideline or straightforward recommendation to show for your rather pedantic typographical-hyphen article moves? Because if you haven't, I would say you are doing more harm than good. I have never seen "Proto-Indo-European" or "Proto-Indo-Iranian" typeset with two different kinds of hyphens. If you have seen this somewhere, it is still a long shot from satisfying WP:NAME as the most common usage.
Please seek consensus before you do mass edits of this kind. To my mind, this isn't a disaster, it is just very silly, and very pointless. -- dab (𒁳) 22:23, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
thank you. -- dab (𒁳) 21:20, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
You cited Aboriginals: Webster’s Quotations, Facts and Phrases. Icon Group International, 2008 as a source for the claim that the syllabary in question is an "abugida", without giving a quote or a page number. A title such as that seems to reflect an unlikely source for information on this topic. I am familiar with the published literature on the syllabary and am not aware of such a claim made by a scholar who researches the question. Can you provide more information on your supporting documentation? A generic source of the type you give appears to fall short of Wikipedia's expectations for sourcing. The Canadian Aboriginal Syllabics article is almost completely undocumented, so there is a more general issues here.
I will copy this to Talk:Canadian Aboriginal syllabics so any information that appears in a single place, so if you reply there that would be helpful. Jomeara421 ( talk) 23:56, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
You may be interested in these new categories - Category:Hybrid_languages and Category:Mixed languages and code-switches (since when is a language itself described as a "code switch"?) - this edit and the rest of this new user's contributions. Knepflerle ( talk) 14:10, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
On the Pashto language page, there is a romanization in use with which I am not familiar. It is nothing like the romanization of the Library of Congress. It is also not sourced. Are you familiar with it? I hope it is not someone's personal romanization. Azalea pomp ( talk) 18:47, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
I get a little strung out doing the number of adding the project tags and no refs tags have you any idea how many more for the Indonesian region you might be doing so I can at least work out where I come up for a breather? Satu Suro 01:34, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for that - youre doing a great job - and it is appreciated - just that when I saw this monrings run on
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:AlexNewArtBot/IndonesiaSearchResult I thought I ought to check
Satu
Suro
02:11, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
Hey, I wasn't sure who to contact about this so I chose you because you're the admin who protected the page. I can't edit the page due to my account being too new, but I left a comment at Talk:Moons of Jupiter concerning some information to be added to the article. Would you mind editing the page for me? Thanks! Recognizance ( talk) 16:28, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
I am one of two editors who have been trading edits on the page Code-switching. If you have interest in the topic, I would most happy to have your opinion on Talk:Code-switching. Cnilep ( talk) 03:19, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
Hi, you often use the terms "pointing" or "vowel pointing" to translate "nikud", which are unfamiliar to me and seem to be inadequate, since nikud consists of lines as well as dots. Are you very attached to this choice or would you be fine with "vowel diacritics"? Dan Pelleg ( talk) 22:48, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
Unambiguousness of words is an illusion… would it be safe to assume that some linguists apply "diacritic" relying on its graphic feature, i.e. "ancillary glyph", and others relying on a certain function, e.g. "pronunciation modifier" etc., effectively ending up with two similar but somewhat different meanings of the same word "diacritic"? Dan Pelleg ( talk) 01:37, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
Dontcha love 'em? Cheers, -- Evertype· ✆
Hey there. Thanks for your attempts on the Maltese people article. Maybe reading the resources first would make editing more accurate? Also, "Muslim rulers" works nicely, though your first edit to "Muslim elites" was rather odd! How exactly does one define a Muslim elite and based on what information did you come up with such a phrase? Anyway, the more editors working on Maltese articles, the better. ja fiswa imċappas bil-hara! ( talk) 12:10, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
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Hello, on Indonesian language entries like Javanese language and Balinese language, you've been removing Category:Malayo-Polynesian languages and Category:Languages of Indonesia. What's the rationale behind these removals? Offenbach ( talk) 14:41, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
Hey, slow down a minute. Trying to move & rearrange the material, not just relink all of it :)
Plus I got to LHB, and noticed great gaping issues in the Possible Causes section. Maybe structure it with a short summary here in Nice model and expand and condense it there (I'll get to that...). Iridia ( talk) 07:48, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
Hi again, you changed here (IPA transcriptions of Israeli and Yiddish pronunciations) the slashes to square brackets, which, as far as I know, denote precise phonetic transcription as opposed to phonemic transcription denoted by slashes. However, these transcriptions are in fact phonemic, specifically the vowels /a/, /e/ and /o/ don't exist in modern Hebrew, which employs only the mid-vowels [ɛ̝] / [e̞] and [ɔ̝] / [o̞] and the open central unrounded vowel [ä]. If you insist on the square brackets, I think these vowels should be accurately represented, but why not use the phonemic representation? Dan Pelleg ( talk) 11:59, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
Interesting comment on the God as the Devil talk page. I don't have any idea where to look for what you've mentioned, so it would be great if you think of where to find it.
What is particularly interesting about your comment is that the references you allude to would be making the point that worshipers of the Biblical God are worshiping the Devil. So it would be very interesting to find those references.
Re. God_as_the_Devil,
There is an ongoing discussion in Talk:God_as_the_Devil#Quotations about whether or not a number of quotations should or shouldn't be included in the article. I have no expertise in the area, and feel it would be very elpful to get some input from other users. I saw your input to the talk page, and wondered if you would be able to give your opinion on the matter - in that section of the talk page, please.`
Many thanks, -- Chzz ► 01:11, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
You've done a wonderful service, and made my life much easier! Thanks T L Miles ( talk) 01:15, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
Hi kwamikagami - I've moved your stub query to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals (and replied to it). Grutness... wha? 09:30, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
kwami, I know you're busy but I think it'd be greatly appreciated if an admin finally took some decisive action against User talk:62.42.233.35, he's been consistently vandalising for months and has had more warning than a donkey has fleas but no one seems to want to do anything. For some reason the Ignatius of Loyola page seems to attract vandals... Akerbeltz ( talk) 10:56, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
I notice that you've started including Borneo-Philippines in the Malayo-Polynesian boxes. This is not a widely-accepted grouping and the evidence for it is slim to none. Even the article on the group here in Wikipedia admits that it may very well be a geographical grouping rather than a genetic one. Adelaar and Himmelmann don't even mention it as far as I can tell. Until there is some consensus among specialists, Wikipedia shouldn't be endorsing a classification so obscure and not widely used. If the origin of it is Ross (1995) [which was actually written several years before publication], then the lack of usage over the last 15 years seems to point to a lack of acceptance. Unless you've got stronger evidence or a list of references that I'm not aware of supporting it, we should back off any endorsement or use of the "node". ( Taivo ( talk) 12:55, 24 March 2009 (UTC))
I noticed that both Nahuatl and Korean speakers generally do not start words with the letter L. Korean and Nahuatl speakers tend to drop the letter L from the beginning of loan words that begin with L. A Spanish r becomes L. Lorenzo, for example, becomes Olenso in Nahuatl. In Korean, Lee and Rhee become ee. Other similarities are that the F changes to P. Spanish V and B become P. (For Nahuatl references see, Andres de Olmos, Art of the Mexican Language)(Korean is my own observations). In Nahuatl, th seems to change to a single sound tl (My own observation).
In addition, there are some words that seem to be alike. For example: Rabbit or Hare is Toki in Korean and Tochin in Nahuatl. I have been informed that both cultures consider the rabbit to be the picture in the moon and related to drunkeness (See Sahagun for Aztec culture. My own observation for Korean).
Are there any studies that have compared Korean with Nahuatl or a common ancestor? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tomlevinelaw ( talk • contribs) 18:48, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
to respond to your question posted last november (never new I could get messages on wikipedia...sorry, so never knew to check...but anyway) You asked why I said Voudou(n) is polytheistic.
Christianity has 1 God, and a 'son'. Not a pantheon. Catholicism is quite distinct from Protestant Christianity. Catholicism has many saints (with Voudoun deities sharing names in some areas). I don't know that Catholicism regards them as deities, but I'm not a Catholic expert (not really an expert in anything, just a little bit in several areas). My exposure to Voudoun is minimal through pagan world/readings/studies and as associated with Santeria.
It seems the primal forces of nature are more likely associated with specific 'entities' in Voudoun.
Though, in some regard, even Greek/Roman mythology started with 'one or few' deities, and expanded to multiple deities to focus on specific purposes.
I and the sources I've read/known may be wrong, but I've never, in any source, heard or seen Voudoun referred as monothestic.
Monotheism is usually associated with there being (1). Deity at the top who's word is law. There are no side-views or flavors.
Saints, as I understand in Catholicism, were supposed to be mostly 'people' who became saints (usually after death).
I don't see monotheism as allowing much room for 'Gods' of power roughly equal to the head God. In fact, God in the JudeoChristian mythos is said to be a "jealous" god -- and to have no other gods before him.
Doesn't sounds like that monotheism likes 'sharing' the stage.
I didn't think Voudoun had a "top honcho" God that was jealous and demanded devotion to him and him alone (or his 'son' under New-Testament)....
However, I claim to be an expert in nothing. :-)
*peace* and certainly no offense meant in anyway for anything I misunderstand or mistate!
Athena ( talk) 02:20, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
Hi Kwami, I've left a note about a mistake in the map of Central Solomons languages at File talk:Central_Solomons_languages.png. Ngio ( talk) 19:41, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
Kwami, Could you cite the particular 2008 source for reclassifying Numbami as (more) Ngero-Vitiaz than Huon Gulf in language-family affiliation? I can't find it on the general AN vocab database site. I'm not opposed to the reclassification, but I'm particularly interested since I'm the principal source of the Numbami data. Joel ( talk) 21:03, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
The word reptilumi in the article Esperanto vocabulary looked as if it might be original research, considering that it was so infrequently used. Can you find a source? — Jch thys 21:58, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
Please have a look at changes to my explanation; what I meant in the first draft was that it only echoes the French pronunciation, but forgot to add that the accent is on the first syllable - NICK-ola (commonly with a swchwa or some neutral vowel or other where that "o" is). I think I've got the rewording right and it needs IPA for the usually-used form., could use please oblige?...I'd meant that it wasn't in "English" form - Ni-COAL-a, which is often used by newcomers to BC until they get that straightened out (like KWEZ-nel for Quesnel, which also echoes the French pronuciation but is still different (Kweh-NEL).....maybe "adapted from the French pronunciation" would be better than "echoes the French pronunciation"? Skookum1 ( talk) 22:40, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
I need a little help with the article Classification of Japanese, which after a long period of stability has been subjected to radical edits that are, in my opinion, gratuitous and intentionally destructive. Please examine the matter and, if relevant, pass it on to proper authorities. Regards, VikSol ( talk) 23:48, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
Thank you for creating Northern Philippine languages! Happy editing, Kingturtle ( talk) 20:01, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
I have nominated Ukaan language, an article that you created, for deletion. I do not think that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ukaan language. Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time.
Please contact me if you're unsure why you received this message. Chzz ► 09:09, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
Thought you might be interested in this. Apparently this academy has been "restored", which is fine in and of itself, but some people have decided that this means that they're allowed to replace the existing page with a kind of statement of intent of the new academy. Mithridates ( talk) 01:28, 5 April 2009 (UTC)