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Thanks for your continuing hard work. But I need to emphasize again that the high-numbered mobilization divisions are not based (yet) on solid sources - Feskov et al 2013 is already being criticised for its inaccuracy in the Soldat.ru forums. PLease consider writing articles for divisions such as the 254th Motor Rifle Division, an assuredly real division, and other existing units, ahead of articles that you and I may have to rewrite extensively after new Russian data appears in the future. Cheers Buckshot06 (talk) 12:31, 6 August 2016 (UTC)
Hi, I've noticed you had renamed 8th Mountain brigade. So there's one thing I'd like to clarify - what is the common rule for name translation of Russian/Ukrainian brigades? Are you aware that the vast majority of them are 'Separate' (rus: отдельная/ukr: окрема)? Will we try to have some consistency in naming by omitting 'Separate' or not? -- VoidWanderer ( talk) 20:23, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
Hi, I'd like to discuss what is the best way to translate " Russian: мотострелковый" in Russian military units names. It means just motorized infantry, but is it widely translated already as 'Motor Rifle'? I've seen Bellingcat used the 'Motorized Infantry' translation. Same applies for Ukrainian " Ukrainian: механізований", which is translated as 'Mechanized': the "мотострелковый" and "механізований" mean absolutely the same military unit type. -- VoidWanderer ( talk) 11:42, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
Another thing I'd like to discuss is the 'History' chapter of each military unit.
On example of 247th Guards Air Assault Regiment - the unit's History chapter currently contains literally everything: all the events happened to the unit. The changes of Location (garrison) are in the same text block with battle engagements, changes of unit's name and even news about the museum was opened.
Maybe it would be the better approach to divide 'History' on logical chapters? Such as 'Previous names', 'Location', 'Engagements'? It would give a much clearer picture. -- VoidWanderer ( talk) 12:07, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
Hi, as for 7th Division. Sutyagin just generally mentions 247th Regiment as part of August invasion. But there's evidence the Regiment was in Ilovaisk in particular. Will post that a bit later. -- VoidWanderer ( talk) 09:56, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
Hi, I'd like to discuss what would be the best approach to list previous military unit names.
I've seen you've rolled back the changes made to 247th Guards Air Assault Regiment and had put old names back in template header. But does it really helps wiki? It gives that clogged appearance to the header, and even somewhat hides the current name. Maybe we should add a special chapter in unit's 'History' which would explicitly describe the dates and the changes that were done to military unit's name? -- VoidWanderer ( talk) 11:57, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
Kges1901, on August 7 you posted at the bottom of the page that you were failing the GA nomination, but you never actually did so; the review is still open.
If you still wish to fail the nomination, please see the instructions at WP:GANI#Failing and use them to guide you in completing the process. If you have any questions on what's needed, I'm happy to help. BlueMoonset ( talk) 18:31, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
Thank you for re-evaluating the evidence for this formation. This is exactly why one needs to be careful of setting up too many pages based on Holm; we really don't know yet!! If we submitted a query to Soldat.ru forums we might get contradictory answers!! Buckshot06 (talk) 11:56, 20 August 2016 (UTC)
On 23 August 2016, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Pyotr Georgyevich Novikov, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Red Army Major General Pyotr Georgyevich Novikov died in the Flossenbürg concentration camp? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Pyotr Georgyevich Novikov. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page ( here's how, Pyotr Georgyevich Novikov), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
— Maile ( talk) 00:02, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
On 24 August 2016, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article 20th Mechanized Corps (Soviet Union), which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the 20th Mechanized Corps (Soviet Union) was almost entirely destroyed during the Battle of Białystok–Minsk and the Battle of Smolensk? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/20th Mechanized Corps (Soviet Union). You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page ( here's how, 20th Mechanized Corps (Soviet Union)), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
— Maile ( talk) 00:01, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
On 27 August 2016, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Andrey Shebalkov, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Hero of the Soviet Union Andrey Shebalkov was deprived of his title on charges of sending anti-Soviet letters? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Andrey Shebalkov. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page ( here's how, Andrey Shebalkov), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
Gatoclass ( talk) 00:01, 27 August 2016 (UTC)
On 29 August 2016, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article 17th Mechanized Corps (Soviet Union), which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the Soviet 17th Mechanized Corps lost all of its armored vehicles in the Battle of Białystok–Minsk? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/17th Mechanized Corps (Soviet Union). You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page ( here's how, 17th Mechanized Corps (Soviet Union)), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
Gatoclass ( talk) 00:01, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
Hey, Richard.
My most recent Wiki article, on the 331st Rifle Div., has already been rated B, and I think it has a chance to be rated GA if it's nominated. Would you care to do the honours? Also, I used your user page as a template to finally set up one of my own, so thanks for that. Wreck Smurfy ( talk) 02:53, 27 August 2016 (UTC)Wreck Smurfy
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Thanks for your continuing hard work. But I need to emphasize again that the high-numbered mobilization divisions are not based (yet) on solid sources - Feskov et al 2013 is already being criticised for its inaccuracy in the Soldat.ru forums. PLease consider writing articles for divisions such as the 254th Motor Rifle Division, an assuredly real division, and other existing units, ahead of articles that you and I may have to rewrite extensively after new Russian data appears in the future. Cheers Buckshot06 (talk) 12:31, 6 August 2016 (UTC)
Hi, I've noticed you had renamed 8th Mountain brigade. So there's one thing I'd like to clarify - what is the common rule for name translation of Russian/Ukrainian brigades? Are you aware that the vast majority of them are 'Separate' (rus: отдельная/ukr: окрема)? Will we try to have some consistency in naming by omitting 'Separate' or not? -- VoidWanderer ( talk) 20:23, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
Hi, I'd like to discuss what is the best way to translate " Russian: мотострелковый" in Russian military units names. It means just motorized infantry, but is it widely translated already as 'Motor Rifle'? I've seen Bellingcat used the 'Motorized Infantry' translation. Same applies for Ukrainian " Ukrainian: механізований", which is translated as 'Mechanized': the "мотострелковый" and "механізований" mean absolutely the same military unit type. -- VoidWanderer ( talk) 11:42, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
Another thing I'd like to discuss is the 'History' chapter of each military unit.
On example of 247th Guards Air Assault Regiment - the unit's History chapter currently contains literally everything: all the events happened to the unit. The changes of Location (garrison) are in the same text block with battle engagements, changes of unit's name and even news about the museum was opened.
Maybe it would be the better approach to divide 'History' on logical chapters? Such as 'Previous names', 'Location', 'Engagements'? It would give a much clearer picture. -- VoidWanderer ( talk) 12:07, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
Hi, as for 7th Division. Sutyagin just generally mentions 247th Regiment as part of August invasion. But there's evidence the Regiment was in Ilovaisk in particular. Will post that a bit later. -- VoidWanderer ( talk) 09:56, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
Hi, I'd like to discuss what would be the best approach to list previous military unit names.
I've seen you've rolled back the changes made to 247th Guards Air Assault Regiment and had put old names back in template header. But does it really helps wiki? It gives that clogged appearance to the header, and even somewhat hides the current name. Maybe we should add a special chapter in unit's 'History' which would explicitly describe the dates and the changes that were done to military unit's name? -- VoidWanderer ( talk) 11:57, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
Kges1901, on August 7 you posted at the bottom of the page that you were failing the GA nomination, but you never actually did so; the review is still open.
If you still wish to fail the nomination, please see the instructions at WP:GANI#Failing and use them to guide you in completing the process. If you have any questions on what's needed, I'm happy to help. BlueMoonset ( talk) 18:31, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
Thank you for re-evaluating the evidence for this formation. This is exactly why one needs to be careful of setting up too many pages based on Holm; we really don't know yet!! If we submitted a query to Soldat.ru forums we might get contradictory answers!! Buckshot06 (talk) 11:56, 20 August 2016 (UTC)
On 23 August 2016, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Pyotr Georgyevich Novikov, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Red Army Major General Pyotr Georgyevich Novikov died in the Flossenbürg concentration camp? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Pyotr Georgyevich Novikov. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page ( here's how, Pyotr Georgyevich Novikov), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
— Maile ( talk) 00:02, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
On 24 August 2016, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article 20th Mechanized Corps (Soviet Union), which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the 20th Mechanized Corps (Soviet Union) was almost entirely destroyed during the Battle of Białystok–Minsk and the Battle of Smolensk? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/20th Mechanized Corps (Soviet Union). You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page ( here's how, 20th Mechanized Corps (Soviet Union)), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
— Maile ( talk) 00:01, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
On 27 August 2016, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Andrey Shebalkov, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Hero of the Soviet Union Andrey Shebalkov was deprived of his title on charges of sending anti-Soviet letters? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Andrey Shebalkov. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page ( here's how, Andrey Shebalkov), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
Gatoclass ( talk) 00:01, 27 August 2016 (UTC)
On 29 August 2016, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article 17th Mechanized Corps (Soviet Union), which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the Soviet 17th Mechanized Corps lost all of its armored vehicles in the Battle of Białystok–Minsk? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/17th Mechanized Corps (Soviet Union). You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page ( here's how, 17th Mechanized Corps (Soviet Union)), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
Gatoclass ( talk) 00:01, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
Hey, Richard.
My most recent Wiki article, on the 331st Rifle Div., has already been rated B, and I think it has a chance to be rated GA if it's nominated. Would you care to do the honours? Also, I used your user page as a template to finally set up one of my own, so thanks for that. Wreck Smurfy ( talk) 02:53, 27 August 2016 (UTC)Wreck Smurfy