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I uploaded that pic to the sandbox....didn't think I had to go through any official stuff there... K. Lastochka 22:41, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
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Unfortunately he doesn't really have the time. :( K. Lastochka 15:29, 26 May 2006 (UTC) One thing he did tell me about Turkmenistan is that before the fall of the USSR, Ashgabat was the third-most cosmopolitan city in the whole USSR, a big, vibrant city with people of all sorts of ethnic backgrounds, and as much of a cultural center as is possible in Central Asia. :) First was Moscow, he said, then Baku, then Ashgabat. It's really sad what has happened to that poor little country. K. Lastochka 16:52, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
hi, i am new to Wiki, I really want to talk to you guys, especially lastochka, but i do not know how, can you guy help me out by telling me how to sign up and how you guy communicate in real time if ever so, just leave a message under my message right here, thanks---Tamdir
Hi (or is it "salam"?) Tamdir, this is not a good place to communicate (after all, this is my archive), so I messaged you on your talk page here. K. Lásztocska 01:48, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
WikiProject Central Asia has finally been created! If you're interested, please consider joining us. Aelfthrytha 21:56, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
Neat, I'll drop in occasionally! :) K. Lastochka 02:32, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
Salam Lastochka! Thanks for your message. Yeah, I joined to Central Asia project and do some small edits on articles. You may have noticed that my English is not good, so I'd appreciate if you help me with it :) -- Atamyrat 21:14, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
And a hearty jó napot to you too... I am 100% in agreement that 56 should be up as feature on 10/23 (or any time during late October), and the AID is the critical path for this. Thanks for putting out the word, but it seems we are stuck at 21 for right now. Maybe contacting each of the Hungarians that hang out on the Hungarian pages? Ive done a few with mixed success... And please dont feel the need to explain or apologise for ethnicity (sorry if Im not catching a joke, but this IS email really) You are welcome on this side of the barricade as russian, czech, magyar, or whatever. Istvan 19:42, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
I WAS basically joking about the awkwardness my Russian username--I've only recently found out that I'm (very little) part Magyar and all my email/internet/whatever else stuff is all Russian. I'm just multicultural, I guess. :) Anyway, there is a whole list of "Wikipedians in Hungary" that I stumbled across, maybe we can bother some of them. Only if they write back in Hungarian, they're officially YOURS to deal with....csak egy kicsit beszelék magyarul. :) K. Lastochka 21:56, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
Hi,
Thanks for notifying me about that voting. (This English wikipedia is so huge and complicated that I just can't keep my eye on all the pages where a vote would be needed :)) We recently started to use our noticeboard at
Wikipedia:Hungarian Wikipedians' notice board, if you have any Hungary-related thing to say, you can post it there. I already notified them about the voting. BTW it's a big shame but the Hungarian Wikipedia's article about the revolution is hardly more than a stub at this moment, it is more likely that we'll expand the HuWiki article from that of EnWiki than vice versa... we just realized yesterday that we'll have to work on it a lot in the next few weeks :) –
Alensha
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13:12, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
Hi Lastochka,
An idea - if you are connected to Czech wiki or Czech groups then please ask for their votes for 1956, and extend our support for Prague Spring in 2008 - I will certainly vote for it when the time comes, and Im sure they'd be willing to vote for 56 if they knew it was up. BTW, quite an impressive jump today - good work to you and Alensha!
Istvan
21:01, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
No kidding! and I hope this Hungarian Revolution thing doesnt morph into more current event than historical reference. Thanks for the promotion BTW - your promotion and Ryanjo's editing are great helps in putting 56 up as feature on 23 Oct.
Istvan
16:06, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
Congratulations on the AID victory! and thanks for the barnstar too. Istvan 02:20, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
Szívesen. (that's "you're welcome") and egeségedre (close analog to "cheers" in the US sense). I purposely only gave those to people who were not already awarded one from you (it would look odd) it is up to you to do as you choose. I was thinking that the first thing we should do is to archive all the old discussion and start the discussion page with a clean slate. Although the article is not in good shape, it is much better now than it was two or three weeks ago - we should remember to recognise those who have put their hearts into it. Also, please dont expect a mass influx of attention - the AID response is often underwhelming, though we may be suprised (its amazing what a small group of dedicated people can do). Still, this is the nominal process to take towards feature status. Istvan 15:59, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
Thanks, but could I make a suggestion? that the very last bits from the previous discussion (now in the archive) be retained; I would suggest at a minimum NCurse's comments, and at a maximum everything below "50-years old echo" - These are still somewhat topical. (I certainly dont want to seem to be reverting your edits, especially that I recommended...) Istvan 17:57, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
OK, its done without reverting.
Generally, the introduction should be a ~3-paragraph overview/summary of the entire article. While it doesn't have to go into too much detail, it should be pretty understandable if read alone (without the remainder of the article). Kirill Lokshin 18:12, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
Hello Lastochka, I think to go from AID to FA(C) we need lots of tidying up and especially more photos (lots of them). Its too early to put this up for FA right now, but I think by the time you hear back from the HA re: copyright and can put up the photos, then it will be ready. Istvan 01:44, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
Very nice! I think the major concerns from the peer review have been resolved now; the only remaining points I can see are the title of the article and the large template at the bottom, and those are both fairly minor. I would suggest submitting this to the A-Class review, and, once that passes, moving on to FAC. Kirill Lokshin 14:08, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for the barnstar :) (Sorry that I'm late, I just noticed it because I hardly ever watch my own user page :D) love,
Alensha
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16:23, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
OK, we're up for peer review and Ive asked Kirill to give us a re-rate on the MilHist (so we dont have to overload the FAC nomination with caveats and give antihungarians an easy target). Question to you - what can we do to help the peer review request along? I intend to do more copyediting/streamlining but need your help with the photos - (creating the 56 barnstar illustrates the limits of my graphics abilities) Thanks! Istvan 19:08, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
Szia, Ncurse, the freshly minted Hungarian admin, wrote back regarding the 56 pics (its on my talk page)
So, this looks like a green light to me. Do you see anything wrong with using them? Istvan 07:06, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
Hi L, there is a page on the commons called "Hungarian Revolution of 1956" that contains all the ones I uploaded plus all the Newspaper front page Images. Could you please link your uploads there so we have them all in one spot? Dont worry about axeing Konev - Im not cyring for him. He was just a placeholder, and the only remarkable thing about the photo is how he resembles Rkosi. Istvan 19:00, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
I am as frustrated about it as you - perhaps a statement "reminder: 1956 was a revolution, not a species of tree frog, nor a video game, nor someone's bus stop". Emotion is prerequisite to revolution. Washing it out is censorship. To force a moral equivalency upon unarmed demonstrators on one hand, and those who would fire upon them with heavy weapons on the other is both wrong and factually incorrect. To describe 56 without reference to emotion is like describing Monet without reference to colour. Perhaps there should be a new guideline "56:rev". How to overcome this? Every Hungarian must vote "strong support", lobby every wikipedian they know, and mention, in their own words, that 56 was a very bloody revolution and the strong emotions were a very real cause of it: the ÁVH *was* hated, people *did* dissapear under Rákosi (often on the flimsiest of pretenses), the phrase "Dictatorship of the Proletariat" *was* indeed used, and often. And to top it off, this is all mentioned in the referenced UN report that nobody seems to read. To ignore these is to ignore the event itself. Im preaching to the choir, I know... Istvan 04:36, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
I was wondering, would you be interested in working with me on
Portal:Hungary? It's nice to see you love Hungary this much :) It is now updated every second week only, and I don't know how frequently are other portals updated, but I'm sure the popular portals are updated more often... Right now I'm the only maintainer of it, because every other Hungarian editor was just too happy to leave it to me :) but maybe the two of us could update it weekly. –
Alensha
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16:30, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
Hi,
It would be enough if you could contribute to the portal every two weeks, I would do it for the other 2 weeks, then it would have weekly updates, like most of the portals. Then we could also ask our very first Hungarian admin to help making that "currentweek" system, then we could make the selected articles in advance and it would update automatically and would help archiving the previous updates (I don't really know how that system works...)
About politics: I long decided it's not worth worrying about, I only vote at local elections and there I vote for the candidate who could do the most for the city, without caring about which party he belongs to... :D
–
Alensha
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17:33, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
I used to vote for Fidesz too but now they're allied with
KDNP, a far too right-wing ultra-religious party, and in my opinion Fidesz managed to alienate many of its former supporters... now there are simply no good parties to vote for. >:-( –
Alensha
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18:30, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
They have to, because MSZP is allied with SZDSZ and together they have more voters than Fidesz, and Fidesz had to look for some party to be allied with. Now, at the local elections I haven't even seen "Fidesz candidates", only "Fidesz-KDNP candidates". I don't know much about politics but this should be forbidden that minor parties stick to the large ones and in the end they are the ones who decide the outcome of an election... like that anarchist SZDSZ would be nowhere without MSZP, KDNP would be nothing without Fidesz, and these alliances do nothing but keep these stupid small parties important. –
Alensha
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18:38, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
and Fidesz was a liberal party at the beginning, and they're becoming more and more conservative. I'm too young to be conservative yet :D –
Alensha
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18:39, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
I agree with that :) btw I guess on HuWiki we would already have been warned about all this politics talk; it's lucky that EnWiki admins don't keep an eye on everything :D –
Alensha
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18:43, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
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Thank you for participating in my RfA, which passed with a tally of 91/1/4. I can't express how much it means to me to become an administrator. I'll work even more and harder to become useful for the community. If you need a helping hand, don't hesitate to contact me. NCurse work 15:39, 8 October 2006 (UTC) |
You're welcome. :) Have you uploaded the images to Commons? What about FAC? I'm a reviewer of Wikipedia Release Version team, I can take a serious look at the article, when you plan to nominate it. NCurse work 18:55, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
Hi! I rewritten my support vote, but I don't see why I would have to be an involved editor to say that it is great (and also seeing its original state I could say "it has become"). Anyway I didn't write on the FAC page that I was an involved editor as I didn't actually edit the article (not that I remember), I am proud that I found the Time cover for it and permission to use some newspaper covers (now on commons, that were'nt used as theye are in Hungarian, and thanks to you there are many, more informative pictures in the article), but I don't feel ashamed or anything because I didn't edit the article itself, as with no actual involvement in the events (maybe my grandparents), not seeing any films about it (and even if I have they still would have been fiction), not learning about it in school yet, not reading any books or reports about it, and with the Hungarian article (that I could have translated text from) wasn't in such a good shape, I just didn't feel that I could add anything to it apart from my moral support and technical suggestions ( for ex. here). Hope you understand, and you don't see this as me rejecting my connection to this article by not stating that I am an involved editor in it, but as not stating a lie , though if you (really, really )feel that it wouldn't be stating a lie, I would really be a happy person "running" to the FAC page telling the whole world that I was an editor on that article.-- Dami 12:01, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
Szervusz Lastochka, yes, its tilting our way. I hope the vote is soon, because Ive been "warned" to have all our AHF pics deleted from the commons. Do you know of a plan B? Either a different tag or hosting on the EnWiki itself? Ive put out some pleas for help, but alas.... It would really suck if those were yanked right before the vote. BTW, Paul keeps saying the UN doc ref doesnt work for him - it works for me, what about you? Istvan 02:07, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
WE'RE FA!!!!! pop the pezsgõ !!! lets get our nom up! Istvan 20:59, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
Thank you very much for the barstar award. I appreciate it, and accept it with gratitude and humility, though I'm a latecomer to this effort. It is User:Istvan, and User:Ryanjo who have been laboring away at this article for a very long time. I'm glad they put it up for AID, or I wouldn't have noticed it. Congratulations to all!-- Paul 22:40, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
Well we'd better get our nom up immediately. I notice some noms mention (in the nominating text) a requested date for feature. Since 23 October is the very next one to be chosen, I would suggest to put up Paul's version of the textbox, and a version of my text as the nom article (which includes the ref to 50th anniversary, bravest act, etc.) (please see NCurse's request to Raul654 - it worked) just keep it coolheaded. Would you like to do the honours this time? Paul? Ryanjo? First one gets it. I dont want to hog these things. If nobody has put something up in one hour, I will do it. Istvan 21:14, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
Many thanks for the barnstar and kind words. Your enthusiasm, tact and wit comes through in the words of Hungarian Revolution of 1956. Regards, Ryanjo 00:07, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
And thank you from me too! That was quite a coordinated effort! To have made so much progress with so little conflict is remarkable (lets all remember the lessons of Muhi and not celebrate too early) KL, your passion, brains and drive have been decisive in our success. Istvan 01:11, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
Your boxes are nice too :) Why don't you put them in Babelbox templates so that they will be under each other, not scattered around on the page? :) – Alensha talk 19:02, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
just like you did with the language boxes. check the source of my userbox page to see. :) – Alensha talk 19:12, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
Please first take it easy. :) It happens really often in wiki. Second, I try to join the debate by sending a message to the Jacob Peter user. Hope it helps. Anyway this kind of editing (not vandalism) must always be handled by community dynamics. You have to explain why he is wrong with his edits. Then if he continues, you can contact other admins. That's the best way to walk on. NCurse work 06:03, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
This might be a better place for this kind of talk: You might be right in that that the police is a bit harsh, but from here its just a POV:
Anyway the point is that Hungary is a bit divided now, and things won't get better in my opinion if either radical change doesn't happen (MDF or MIÉP winning an election) or the protesters won't get bored or too cold on the streets. Also if you want to get a full picture see these pictures:
-- Dami 18:56, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
Anyway, If you'd like I could provide you with semi-real time commentary based on Index.hu-s reporting if you'd like.-- Dami 19:01, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
I didn't think you were, I was just trying to illustrate that it can be seen from two sides, and neither is an utopistic view (the people are rioting for truth vs. order and peace is kept according to the rules of democracy). I mentioned Miép as earlier Csurka(their leader) said that both Gyurcsány and Orbán should leave the political palette.
About this whole thing I'm just sad, as it totally ruins Hungarys reputation in the sense that it has been peaceful and stabil in the region... also I'm not a fan of Gyurcsánys "packet" but these protest also have a negative effect on the economy and I fear this will make things worse.-- Dami 19:20, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
Yes, I know :( We already added the info to the articles (I learned about his death in Hungarian Wkipedia...) – Alensha talk 20:23, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
his statue in the downtown is surrounded by candles... people loved him so much. – Alensha talk 16:13, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
dear friend, nice to find some nice people in wikipedia, my work in hungarian and slovak wikipedia is a lot easier. for slovak/serbian problem is necessary to speak/read hungarian, but I did some achievment and evereone can read my opinion at discussion site. -- Mt7 10:22, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
Hi! Thanks for your words, I didn't know, that I have to deal with some real brickheads here, I thought it is a speciality of smaller wikis, like huwiki... see example here. PS: I made that kind-of-userbox on huwiki what you have on yr userpage's upper right corner, but linked to the article instead of the flag. (but at least, the line: 1956-2006. 50 éve - and the flag - remained from it :) )-- VinceB 13:41, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for your lines again :) Silly thing that I'm usually better informed than them :) Oh, I had to dea with a guy, who is concerned, that the Kingdom of Hungary was an apartheid system (with a hungarian supremacy)
read this - No comment. Only going through the maps, you can find tons of mistakes (or some intresting/weird stuff), like showing
Budapest (instead of separated Pest and Buda) on "pre-1873" maps, or showing Bratislava instead of Pressburg on "pre-1919" maps, to point some obvious ones. I've just started a (seems to be long long long) journey right now, to adjust the contents of these pages to the cruel world outside reality. Main problem is that most of the, let me say
bullshit, what can be found in hu-related history articles are derivered from this article, and I'm not an expert in ethinc stuff and not even was intrested in it before, just history. If you know some users here, who are well informed, please, let me know. Thanks!
PS: I took the flag off on nov 4. (for some reason) -- Vince hey, yo! :-) 14:33, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
Yes, you're absolutely right! (As I see, I'm not the first one, who got this...umm..."not nice"...umm..."welcoming" from them) Do you (we) have any new project(s) since the 56 article? Maybe I can help too. Take care, regards -- Vince hey, yo! :-) 15:37, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
Hey...I similarly asked for semi-protection for the Nursultan Nazarbayev article, and it was also denied. I don't understand why they need mass, prolonged vandalism to protect it? I think all wikipedia articles should be semi-protected, or at least the vast majority of them. Oh well. Thanks for trying again.-- Thomas.macmillan 19:04, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
Hi KL, I nicked your userbox for Puskás öcsi - I didnt think you would mind (sincerest form of flattery and all...) normally I dont "do" userboxes, but this is such an exception.... thanks. István 05:30, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
I just tried "Magyarizing" my unusually Russian signature, here's to see if it works... K. Lastochka 03:12, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
Wow, nope. let's try again... K. Lástocska 03:13, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
D'oh....and it takes me this long to realize that if I'm gonna Magyarize, I need to fully Magyarize--which means adding that "z" I forgot.... K. Lásztocska 17:54, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
Oh, but now I don't know what to do! It looks weird with the Z...but I have immense respect and love for the Magyar language...if anyone is reading this and cares to offer an opinion one way or the other, I'd be glad to hear it. KL
No, I did not said that Hungarians do not exist as a nation. There is no doubt that Hungarians as a nation exist, but I only speak about origin of the Hungarians, which is mostly Slavic. If you do not trust to me, then trust to this: http://www.le.ac.uk/genetics/maj4/EuropeMap+Tree.jpg I am not talking here from my head, by I speak what I saw in sources. That map for example show that Hungarians are not different at all from Poles and Ukrainians. And regarding those Hungarians who "look sort of Asiatic", that is called a mestizo (i.e. half European-half Asian), but even among them you have a Slavic half. :) However, according to this genetic map, number of such "mestizo Hungarians" is really not a large one. Regarding racism, the racists claim that their own race is better than other race. Did I claimed something like that? No, I did not. What I said is that Hungarians and Slavs belong to SAME race and I never said that one race is better than another. So, how can that be a racism? And Serbs do have much Illyrian and Thracian blood of course, did I ever said something different? Read all my posts on all talk pages and then make conclusion. Regarding statement that "Hungarians are not Hungarians", I did not meant that Hungarians today are not a nation, but that they are not Hungarians according to the definition what was one Hungarian 1000 years ago. I am not native English speaker, so I might not always express my thoughts in English in proper manner. PANONIAN (talk) 02:27, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
"Isn't EVERY nation/ethnic group/people different now than they were 1000 years ago?"
But that was exactly my point there: those Hungarian users that I mentioned claim that Magyars today are same as they were 1000 years ago and that entire Central Europe belong to them. Regarding the Slavic origin of the Hungarians, that do not refer to origin of those Hungarians from 1000 AD, but to origin of present-day Hungarians, that are, according to many sources, rather descendants of Pannonian Slavs than of Hungarians that settled here under Arpad. Also, the present-day Hungarian language have many Slavic words and Hungarian folk music in Vojvodina have many similarities with Serbian one. Regarding those namers, Attila is not Magyar, but Hunnic name, while Vajk could be of Slavic origin (according to one source it is Magyarized version of Slavic name Vuk ("wolf"), and there are many Serbs with name Vuk). So, you again did not understood what I said because I did not claimed that original Hungarians are of Slavic origin, but only present-day Hungarians. And yes, six months that you are here is not a long period by my opinion, but you should look to see more about edits of some users like Bendeguz, fz22, Osci, HunTheGoat, VinceB, etc, and then you will have a full picture about what I speak here. PANONIAN (talk) 03:57, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
1. There are plenty of Hungarians who look sort of Asiatic, I've seen some. They don't look like the Khanty, but they don't look entirely Slavic either.
2. Even though it is obvious that the original, Asiatic Magyar tribes have in the past 1000 years intermarried and had children with various Slavic peoples from the region, thereby ending up looking more "European", that doesn't mean that "the Hungarians are not Hungarians at all." Such an argument is at best silly and at worst downright racist. It smells of ugly theories of "racial purity" that have terrorized the world for centuries. I'm sure even the Serbs have some "foreign" blood in them. Surely the current Hungarians are somewhat different from the original Hungarians that went with Arpad into the Carpathian basin a millenium ago, but do NOT tell me that "the Hungarians are not Hungarians." As long as we have our language, our stories, our music, our...interesting national character :), and our culture in general, the Hungarians ARE still "real" Hungarians. K. Lástocska 01:48, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
Na, én is pont ugyanezt mondom neki, és mi a válasz: Vagy az hogy egy irredenta nagy-magyarországos vagyok, vagy félrebeszél és ma´s témát kezd. Olvasd csak el a Talk: Sajan (village) elsö részét.-- Öcsi 17:02, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
Hey! Quit arguing on MY talk page, take the fight to your own! :) K. Lástocska 02:16, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
The absolutely right man for you is User:OrbitOne. Please contact him, he'll surely be able to help. NCurs e work 06:43, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
Hi there Lástocska (am I right in guessing – using the interwiki on this page – that your name actually means a kind of swallow, or fecske?), I don't use the User talk namespace too much but a few things came to my mind recently that I want to tell you:
Have a nice day & thanks for your involvement into Hungarian topics,
K issL 11:41, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
Szia! No problem, I haven't had any time for the portal either, so I can't blame others for not having time for it :) btw it's not hard to edit portals, that's what the small "edit" links are for in the different sections :) I just started a new portal for my hometown, it is kind of a vanity project, but I've always planned to do so :) If you want to try and update the Hungary portal, the next update will be due around 15th Dec (since I promised when I took over the portal that it'll be updated at least twice a month...)
I've seen the list of problem articles too, but those subjects are bound to lead to big nationalistic wars and I don't really like being involved in those... I'm sure the Polish Wikipedians would be nice to us, Polish people generally like Hungarians :) and theirs is a large Wikipedia community (plwiki is among the 10 largest WPs if I remember well). They could be of help but it shouldn't look like a Polish-Hungarian alliance against the Slovak-Serbian alliance. :)
– Alensha talk 20:29, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
There aren't many Czechs around here, I've noticed that too. Will you ask the Poles for help? I don't really know where do we need help right now; haven't been following the problem artices for a while. (btw I like Poland too, I have some Polish ancestry :) – Alensha talk 21:24, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
Yes, it's really my birthday :) Thanks! (my Miskolc portal was kind of a wiki-gift to myself, I planned to start it today :) – Alensha talk 22:01, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
Um…I have a book of music that says the place he was born isn't in Austria or Romania:
Raiding??? I thought that place mentioned in the article was the place he was born, but now I'm confused…? —
$PЯINGrαgђ
Always loyal!
23:25, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
Un-confused; Raiding is in Austria. — $PЯINGrαgђ Always loyal! 23:26, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
It doesn't help that everything's changed its name at least five times and belonged to about eight thousand different countries/kingdoms. We still haven't figured it all out! :) K. Lástocska 00:44, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
(sounds like Asimov, hmm?) Your textbox edit works just fine. Dont feel you need to apologise for anything here, those Central Europe pages are sometimes short of diplomats. István 21:46, 4 December 2006 (UTC) Thank you for the kind words István 13:49, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
Thank you. I must say, I thought long and hard about leaving you a message, but again, as "advertising" appears to be frowned upon, I resisted. However, I will let you know next time. By the way, are we ready to do anything new with the '56 Revolution article? I've still got a few ideas kicking around, and then there's that dormant template... Biruitorul 01:11, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
Found a good link to a Hungarian history database, figured I'd put it here before I forgot it. :) KL The Library of Congress >> Especially for Researchers >> Research Centers >> Hungary
Thanks--looks pretty good for earlier things though. :) K. Lástocska 16:43, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
Your accusations of "the large amounts of accusations of extremism, nationalism, trollism and other nasty things coming from Ghirla" are taken seriously. Welcome to the ranks of Ghirlaphobes. -- Ghirla -трёп- 08:03, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for your kind comments on my RfC. And yes, welcome to the ranks of those who have dared to criticize Ghirla. You will know no peace... :> PS. Ghirla has a custom of reverting 99% of critical comments from his talk page, I suggest you reply to him here if you want your comment to be visible.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk 18:53, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
Gentlemen, please do not use MY talk page for YOUR arguments. K. Lástocska 17:28, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
That's what they are there for :) Seriously, WP:CABAL#On_Wikipedia_and_the_Cabal sais it all, and if some people still use - and believe - the cabal arguments, well, that's only to be expected; in the end, this is little different from other conspiracy theories out there. As for RfC, I believe that the best thing that can happen is if more people see it and comment. The number of biased users is tiny, but of course such groups will tend to gather around such threads. If others learn about them, the vast neutral and fair majority will silence them - and we already are begining to see this. Thus I am not suprised some users try to ironically limit the number of people who learn about this RfC - if they can get only a few people to comment, they win, if many come, they will loose... so once again, thank you for your comments. If you want, you can continue to take part in the discussions or ask others to comment, but you have already done a lot. Thank you again, -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk 03:30, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
Looks good. I knew you'll find it easier than you thought :) Usually the subjects of the featured article and the featured picture are not related (b/c the aim of the portal is to cover a wide range of topics), but on special occasions like this one they can be. Congratulations on your first portal-update!
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Thank you for your apology, which was very nice of you, but it really wasn't necessary. "Impale" does indeed bring up instant associations with Vlad, especially internationally. I for one am not part of the ever-increasing group of individuals who takes "offense" at the drop of a hat. If someone insults Romania or expresses anti-Romanian sentiments (which you didn't), I use reason and logic to try and bring him round to what I see as a more enlightened position; I don't walk away in feigned disgust. And if someone is persistently anti-Romanian, I don't begrudge him the right to hold that opinion; I may even be his friend. For, though I am a nationalist/patriot, I realize that all nations are but temporary creations of man (some more enduring than others), one day set to be swept away entirely. So if you were so inclined, you could hurl all the insults you wanted to at my people; I wouldn't think the less of you, particularly because the Transylvania issue is still a painful one for many Hungarians. Biruitorul 23:13, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
Hello! I'm from the cabal which doesn't exist...You have done a good thing by attempting to bring a mediator into the fold here. However, I looked into the case more deeply, and it's probably beyond the scope of all but the most patient and tactful mediators. I used to think that was me, but I got sucked into a brutal edit war myself and have pretty much resigned myself to light-duty caseloads for a while. Most often, just waiting will allow this thingto blow over. THese two obviously HATE each other, however. I see this all the time. Editors are more concerned with fighting each other's POV and never actually reach a consensus, and stop actually caring about what Wikipedia is all about. As long as this argument doesn't spill over into article content, I wouldn't worry about it. Hopefully, given time, they will cool off. I'm not going to take your case, but I'll sign on as a mediator and keep my eye on the dispute. If nothing else, I may be able to help cool these guys down, even if I can't make them agree on anything. Thank you for bringing this to our attention. Antimatter--- talk--- 23:16, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
Thank you very much for your cookie and even more for your kind words! I wish more editors were like you. You certainly do not need to apologize for the behavior of other users. You are one of the most civil editors I have had the pleasure to meet here. Your warm comments and attempts to mediate make Wikipedia a better place to work for everyone around you. That is very precious. Unfortunately, I started to believe that the users of your kind will be always in minority. I just do not know if it is worth contributing if national myths are valued more than knowledge and the only recognition for your work is harassment. Anyway, köszönöm very much again:-) Tankred 23:50, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
Lots of good intentions flying around, but not much in the way of useful stuff. Here is a nice template I found to organize your ever-growing collections of awards :) -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk 14:36, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
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Merry Christmas, you Nagyite chandelier! ;-) István 21:58, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
Check User:Piotrus/Sandbox/Userpage design project. Placeholders can be deleted, commented out or replaced by anything you want, there are basically 10 'puzzles' to place wherever you want. Let me know if you like it :) -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk 23:58, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
I'd strongly suggest you chose a table layout - like the one in my sandox, or my userpage or one of others used. With lots of graphical elements, table layouts are much better...-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk 11:41, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
Ghirla and Piotr have agreed to try mediation with me. JzG who initiated the arbitration request has asked the committee to give this a chance to work. If you'd like to provide input your comments are welocme at User talk:Durova/Mediation/Input. I'd appreciate if you'd append your comment at the arbitration request to allow mediation unless you really want the formal case to go forward. Durova Charg e! 23:10, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
Wouldn't be the first time ( [1], [2], [3]...), so I am inclined not to treat such annoucements seriously. ATM I don't see what could have caused such reaction from him - just a few posts ago he admited at ArbCom that we are making progress. I guess this story wouldn't end that easily, though (note that ArbCom request has been accepted by 4 ArbComers, perhaps this annoyed him - I am not sure what he means by his statement about users leaving, though). Anyway, judging by my experience, he will be back, especially as he just wrote about a break, not leaving like last time (which lasted the entire week or so anyway).-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk 13:06, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
LOL--I guess that's one thing he and I have in common, we stink at taking wikibreaks. :) K. Lástocska 23:44, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
Hello,
An Arbitration case in which you commented has been opened: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Piotrus-Ghirla. Please add any evidence you may wish the arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Piotrus-Ghirla/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Piotrus-Ghirla/Workshop.
On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, -- Srikeit 05:33, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
Köszönöm és a legjobbakat neked is. :) It's really funny, I'll watch this user's contributions. But it seems that he has already raised the attention of other admins. Sorry for the late reply, I had an exam, but I'm back in action. :) NCurs e work 20:24, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
Hi KL, arent you a musician? A good place to start would be with the more fameous of Hungarian musical types - Bártok, Kodály, Liszt are all in fairly good shape, have much longer HuWiki articles (i.e. we could bring material over) and would make pretty good FAC after some work. Soundbytes might be very applicable here as well (I suppose Im on an auditory kick today) and I would certainly help. Mind you, I think Puskás should come first, but as long as we're looking for a place to start, whaddaya say? István 17:31, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
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Well, my advice is - just write articles :) -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk 21:52, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
Just wanted to say hi and thanks for all the hard work you've been putting into the Liszt article lately. I'm quite a big fan of his and read as many books as I can get my hands on about him lol, unfortunately I don't always have the time to put as much work into the article as I'd like to. Just so you know the work you're doing isn't going unappreciated, thanks! Especially with all this nonsense about him being slovak... M A Mason 16:27, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
Sorry for not in English, but I'm tired. Nem hinném, hogy gondot jelentene. Ha ez egy userlapon lenne, akkor ugranék, de éppen arról beszél, a változtatásával még óv is. Sztem erre kár lenne egy adminnak érdemben reagálnia. Ha másként gondolod, kérlek szólj. NCurs e work 20:30, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
OK, that's what I thought, just wanted to make sure. köszönöm nagyon szépen for your help! :) K. Lásztocska 19:49, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
Most látom, frissítetted a magyar portált? :) ügyes vagy! (I'm quite busy now in HuWiki and real life, only managed to update the Miskolc portal this month...) – Alensha talk 20:19, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
these uprisings directly related, if you are read what there written —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Oscar Jet ( talk • contribs) 23:25, 3 January 2007 (UTC).
They are only related in that they were all uprisings against the Soviet Union, but there was no cause-and-effect relationship, it's not like the Hungarian revolution triggered those other two. We can't put in links to all the articles about all other uprisings, it's unnecessary and wastes space. K. Lásztocska 23:30, 3 January 2007 (UTC) Yes, I see, probably you are right, especially the page is full -- Oscar Jet 23:45, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
Just a kind note, but the poem isn't yours, and the moral integrity and actions of the charectors in the poem are the collective item of all it's writers, if you would like to argue the charector that is fine, but please remember that everyone can add to it and change the charector. -- [[User:Yossi842| Yossi842]] 19:58, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
Nice catch about the blog mentioning the 56 article. Im sure you agree, it feels good to see some explicit recognition, after all that work we put in, and to think - this was posted on 10 October, well before the article hit top form, much less before it went frontpage on 23 October! How did you find this? Nice catch! I just posted a reply. István 03:55, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
Just checked the blog you mentioned to István. It feels good to see your work being appreciated :)
I remember the day when Imre Nagy was reburied, on June 16th 1989. My family and me were in Kőszeg visiting my mother's family; 16th was the day we planned to go home, and Dad was worried that we have to drive through Budapest and maybe there would be demonstrations. I was 8 and a half years old, didn't understand much of the historical significance of the event, and found it funny that the guy being reburied has the same name as one of my schoolmates (who was later teased by lots of us for "his" burial making headlines :) (anyway... this was just a small tidbit of how it all looked to me as a child :)
I'm gonna "steal" lots of your userboxes but right now Wikipedia is expreriencing difficulties again... HuWiki can't even be edited today, here in EnWiki the situation is somewhat better. Funny that servers always do this during fundraising campaigns, as if they wanted to demonstrate that Wikimedia needs that money very bad. :)
Anyway, your user page is way more informative now that it was last time I checked it. It's nice what you wrote about your role as a Wiki-diplomat (I'm trying to play the same role in HuWiki :) I never knew you were female. Your interest in football implied that you were a guy but then your "little bird" user name didn't – but of course, these thoughts were based on gender stereotypes, which one must get rid of quickly in this online world where one meets all kinds of interesting people :)
If you'd like to read something in Hungarian to exercise the language, may I recommend the touching anecdote one of our editors posted on the talk page of the Hungarian version of the Puskás article? It's under the title Anekdota on the talk page. It's very nice and I think you'd love it. If you don't understand some of the expressions, I'll help.
Pusztalakó – I was wondering whether you'll notice it :D You know NCurse lives in Debrecen in the big, boring puszta, and there's a long-standing rivalry between our cities because they aren't smart enough to recognize the superiority of Miskolc :)) (no, there's no similar word for people from Miskolc, at least nothing that can be mentioned in polite society... :)
Best of luck with your auditions!
– Alensha talk 15:03, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
p.s.: Sorry for this long long long message. I'm frustrated that Wiki is this slow and a graphomaniac like me must type something all the time.)
A seller on British eBay has the book. [4] 10 GBP plus 6 for shipping; get it fast if it isn't too expensive.
(damn. I just broke my oath that I won't even think of any eBay sites until my next paycheck.)
It would be nice to get the article featured. I'd help too but my knowledge on anything sport-related is extremely limited. I'll notify the other Hungarians, maybe they can help.
About Liszt: His article states that he was Hungarian; this is what really counts, not the lists of Austrians :)
The pusztalakó has a great sense of humor, I'm sure he doesn't mind this nickname. :) Are you planning to visit Hungary in the near future? We plan to have a Wikipedia meetup in Kassa (okay, that's not exactly in Hungary, but let's be irredentists for a short while :)
– Alensha talk 16:32, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
Short answer: I wouldn't say there aren't.
Long answer: ooooh...let me count the ways.....Firstly, we have produced per capita the highest number of Nobel laureates. Apropos, in maths, Hungarian kids repeatedly score top in Europe, and third only behind Japanese and Korean kids on those international mathematics tests.
Hungarian sense of humour is delightfully subtle and razor-sharp, at least as distinctive as that of the English (too bad nobody else can understand it).
Hungarian is a beautifully lyrical language. Even though just about everyone on this planet attests that *their* native language is the most "expressive", Hungarian poetry certainly punches far above its weight, having produced far more and better works than any other nation of 15 Millions. As a knock-on, Hungary has given the world more than its share of musical treasures (I know you dont need elaboration here). This includes not just "high culture" but also the continuum of magyarnóta-klezmer-gypsy music (which is arguably the most passionate on earth). Hungarian radio (unlike say German or Dutch) plays mostly home-grown contemporary music, and unlike much of Europe, it's actually pretty good (mostly). Some Hungarian lyricists/musicians would be famous worldwide if others could understand them. (e.g. Cseh Tamás)
Hungarian food is objectively in Europe's top rank - (in taste, not health - which is a different story) typical of catholic cultures' taking their food very seriously, Hungarian cuisine is universally recognised in Europe and many Europeans travel there mostly for the food (and the drinks). Similarly, Hungarians are among Europe's most compulsively hospitable people (something Anglophones could learn from) Just tour Hungary and its neighbours in the same trip, and see for yourself. Indeed, so long as Hungarians around you know that you are a foreigner, they will be pleasantly helpful with you (something Francophones could learn from) and anyone exploiting or making trouble for you would immediately be regarded as a low-life (or a taxi driver) (or a BKV tickets inspector).
And...I must admit...Hungarian women are arguably the best in the world (except for the overly neurotic ones). They are top drawer in attractiveness, temprament, and are quite competent in the art of being feminine. This is, safe to say, also a pan-European opinion, not just mine.
There are perhaps a thousand reasons Hungarians are different, special, and sometimes even better at some things but in the end one can say that, yes, there do exist redeeming qualities. István 01:38, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
Well, in true wikipedia fashion, I must zealously defend my position and preface with the disclaimer that on second reading, my above crie de coer seems embarrassingly sappy - (KL: this is cardinal sin in Hungary). Alensha, you describe a sad trend gripping the entire world. I compare the H scene with the rest of Europe. Latin Europe also plays mostly homegrown music (French is also pretty good) but Germanic Europe plays mostly US/UK, or dismally formulaic synthesised Bierzeltmusik with lots of jabber in between. I base my H observation mostly on the period from the twilight of socialism to the mid-90s when there were several good artists getting plenty of air time. If its worse now (I dont argue that it isnt), then you are comparing it to the previous Hungarian standard, not the current European (or better "Western" one). Techno-synth-(c)rap rákzene knows no culture and is equally bad all over the world. Even America and UK are getting too stale, and the world is, IMHO, stuck waiting for a new genre to be born, something as fundamentally revolutionary as rock-and-roll was in the 50s - some fresh air to overthrow what needs overthrowing. It will probably happen via MP3 over the internet. and no, I don't read you as being "overly neurotic" at all, but a quite pleasant and good wikipedian István 18:33, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
Hey, there's always room for cris de coeur, at least if you're stuck in the Romantic era like me. :) It may have been sappy, but I found it rather touching, and definitely helped me get out of a rotten mood/long dark night of the magyar soul. :) As for the global pop music disaster, I agree 110% with you guys that something new has to come along to sweep away the crap. I like to think that it will be a revival of folk music, but that probably won't happen. Then again, you never know...look at the táncház movement, I sure wouldn't have predicted that one. (How's it doing btw? Do people still dance the old dances in Budapest? I have GOT to get over there...) K. Lásztocska 23:20, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
Don't get superstitious....its bad luck. István 02:40, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
Kalappal! István 06:46, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
én is szurkolok :) írd majd meg nekünk, hogy sikerült!
I've just left a long rant on Viktor Orbán's talk page... I should have known that all the gods will strike down upon me if I break the resolution I made after the last parlamentary elections, (about not talking about politics), 'cause it just makes me annoyed >:-( – Alensha talk 21:00, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
Oh, Alensha, brilliant rant on Orbán!! LOL! Do I sense that you too are a disgruntled and disgusted erstwhile Fidesz supporter? :) although I heard that Viki might be moving to the Christian Democrats and taking his right-wing cronies with him, so Fidesz might be able to swing back to the center...I hope, I hope... :) K. Lásztocska 01:58, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
Good luck with the auditions! I was trying to find out how to say it in Hungarian but couldn't find anything :( I'm guessing it's Kalappal, but I didn't want to look daft if it was wrong :p Let us know how it goes :) M A Mason 16:45, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
Such incidents happen in every country and the real question is whether they have ethnic background or not. Vojvodina is a multiethnic place and if two men become drunken and start a fight because of pretty woman, it could very likely to happen that such men are of different ethnic origin. The question is whether they started fight because of woman or because they were of different ethnic origin (to see the answer read my previous sentence). Also, the web site that you quoted is not reliable one - for example, among other things, it claim that Hungarian leader (who else but Kasa) was attacked by hand granade. The fact (confirmed by the police) is that the target of that granade was not Kasa but his neighbour living in the same street several blocks away - of course Kasa claimed that he in fact was the target, but just think why. If you want to writte reliable information about events in Vojvodina, then please find a official report of European investigators who investigated those events. PANONIAN (talk) 04:20, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
OK, good night. We will have to continue this discussion (much) later--I'm returning to my extended wikibreak now, since I have much better things to do than get insulted and distrusted just for being a damn Hungarian. K. Lásztocska 04:50, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
I noticed that too. and i'll assume your good faith until i see otherwise. it only started because i thought something (your paragraph) was being taken out for no explained reason. but i don't know enough about the situation to really be able to judge. cheers! Murderbike 05:49, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
';-) whadda chandelier! István 03:01, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
LOL...we're never going to entirely get over that are we...I am rather proud to be almost certainly the only person alive or dead to have ever been called a "Nagyite chandelier." Thanks, Piotrus and Ghirla! :) K. Lásztocska 04:32, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
It's always a pleasure to collaborate with others on various articles. Sometimes when old (or not so old) nationalisms raise their heads it can be a little stressing (as we both now), but in many cases it's a pleasant experience (for example - one of many - I immensly enjoyed collaborating with one of my Romanian friends on the Polish-Romanian Alliance). It would be a pleasure to work with Hungarians on some articles of mutual interest (hmm, perhaps Moldavian Magnate Wars would contain some interesting tidbits? It's a pet project of mine, now a little bit forgotten, about a place and period virtually unknown to most Westerners). Another project which I am slowly movign towards is the Polish Revolution of 1956 - an interesing and important, if less known and widespread, counterpart of the Hungarian Revolution of 1956. Other articles of likely mutual interest would include szabla or Stefan Batory, perhaps?-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk 03:37, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
Hi! :) I was delighted with seeing, that You are not only a fellow Hungarian, but also a fellow LFC fan. =) I made some userboxes recently, maybe You would find them useful. :) User:Jaderoc/UBX/Pool Hungarian version: http://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:JadeRoc/UBX/Pool Best regards, JadeRoc 20:09, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
I hope the auditions went well. István 22:41, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
Yes, welcome back, and congratulations. While you were away, I didn't do that much work on '56 except that I translated one article (
Bucharest student movement of 1956), but I suggest you read
this version because in its current incarnation, it's been ravaged by a Commie (an actual one), and I haven't yet summoned the energy to go back and address his changes.
By the way, I much prefer Viktor Orbán in office in Hungary because he and his party are more anti-Romanian. While a hot conflict would not be in either party's interest at the moment (Romania has all the territory she needs as far as her western borders are concerned, while Hungary would be crushed), I think it's important that a certain antagonism be maintained between the two sides. Otherwise, we might be lulled into too great a rapprochement and sleepwalk into autonomy or worse for the Székelyföld (or all of Transylvania), which would not be fun. Quite Machiavellian of me, no?
Finally, have you seen
this stirring video? A group of brave souls gathered in Sfântu Gheorghe (75% Hungarian) on Romania's national day, singing, "Noi suntem români, noi suntem români, noi suntem aici pe veci stăpâni!" (We are Romanians, we are Romanians, here we are masters for the ages!") Sometimes that fact is forgotten, but it's good to remind people of it from time to time.
Biruitorul
05:42, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
That video isn't stirring, it's frightening! That's basically a Hungarian village, and think about what those "brave souls" are saying--to me it sounds like, we rule over you, you are our inferiors, don't forget that we are masters and you are slaves. I'm not an irredentist exactly, but just think for a moment, how would you feel if there were large numbers of Romanians stuck in, say, Turkey after a not-entirely-100%-fair peace treaty. You'd be concerned for your countrymen, wouldn't you? You'd want them to be able to keep their language and culture and not be harrassed by the hypothetical Turks, wouldn't you? Then imagine on Turkey's national day, crowds of flag-waving Turks descended upon the Romanian villages to say pretty much the same thing those Romanians are saying to the Hungarians. Not so stirring now is it. K. Lásztocska 15:32, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
Thank you. I'm honoured. Of course, if you enabled wiki-mail, we might witness some real derangement, but here, in public and bound by certain rules, we do have to curb our enthusiasm.
Incidentally, to respond to your point about Turkey: there is somewhat of an analogy: the Herţa Raion. This was part of the Romanian state from its inception, was first forcibly incorporated into the USSR in WWII, and is over 90% Romanian to this day. I regard the Ukrainian claim to it as very weak indeed, and if a band of Ukrainian nationalists waltzed in there on Ukraine's national day, waving Ukrainian flags and singing patriotic songs, I would regard that as a serious provocation. However, if you look at Transnistria, (which despite being about a third Romanian has never been Romanian territory), then I would not mind if Soviet (and Transnistria really is still Soviet) nationalists (which I know is somewhat of an oxymoron) were to do the same in a Romanian village on, for instance, the anniversary of the October Revolution. A lot of this has to do with the validity of historical claims.
I didn't say they had to be loyal Romanians, but I would expect it. Before I tackle their particular situation, let's step back a moment. There are, I think, four types of minorities in Europe today: those who have their own state elsewhere in Europe (Hungarians in Romania and Slovakia, Turks in Bulgaria, Swedes in Finland, etc.), those who have a state outside Europe (Jews, Moroccans, Algerians, Chinese, etc.), those who have no state (Kurds, Roma), and regional, stateless minorities (Basques, Welsh, Corsicans...). Probably each of these relates to the state in which they have citizenship differently. For the first group, the tendency is probably strongest to resist loyalty to their state, cultivate links with the other state, and wish for a redrawing of boundaries. But for the time being, Europe's boundaries are fixed, and it's probably a good idea for them to make the best of their current situation.
Now, to the Székely in particular. They can in fact find a comfortable place within Romania, which makes no claims to be a nation for Romanians exclusively and which offers generous protections to its minorities. It is possible (though difficult) to craft an identity which encompasses both a Székely regionalism and a de-nationalised Romanian nationalism (or not). So I'm not under any illusions - Romania's Hungarians are (I would surmise) mostly Romanians of convenience, and if the Hungarian Army ever rolled in there again the scenes of 1940 would no doubt repeat themselves. But until that day comes, they're stuck in Romania, and they should learn to work within those confines (which aren't very burdensome).
True, they're not Romanians, but neither are the Transylvanian Saxons, or the Turks, or the Serbs - but you don't hear any noise from them, only from the Hungarians. The former have more or less all managed to live in Romania quite peaceably. When you say that their language and culture isn't Romanian, that's only true to an extent. At home, maybe their culture is more purely Hungarian, and also they are not Orthodox. However, almost all Hungarians in Romania speak Romanian - this is decidedly not the case in Hungary. Additionally, they serve in the Romanian Parliament and, when taking any governmental oath, swear loyalty to "my fatherland Romania" and to her "unity and territorial integity"; they also compete on Romania's Olympic teams, take Romanian school examinations, etc. - again, things that no Hungarian citizen does. I don't, like Ceauşescu, claim that they are "Hungarian-speaking Romanians", but they are Romanians in a civic sense, as are all Romanian citizens, regardless of ethnicity.
Did they in fact not choose to live in Romania? After all, except for 1940-4, they have been doing so since 1918. That's a long time to try and integrate into one's state. Furthermore, and this is not intended to be a lazy ultranationalist "let them leave" type of statement, but if they find life in Romania to be that unbearable, the border is now wide open. Clearly they don't, and they're attached to their ancestral lands, but they could choose to leave if it came to that. And it's more than an accident of history that they live within Romania: our claim to the region is not a mere accident. Furthermore, in a borderless Europe, it now seems rather odd to wish to put up a fence around one's own little region. With Kurdistan there isn't so much of a comparison to make, as ♠♣♥♦ (don't you get the urge to press those buttons?) the Turks have consistently oppressed the Kurds in a way Romanians haven't done, and as Kurds live in a compact mass that can easily be chopped off Turkey (and Iraq), unlike the Székely, who happen to live in Romania's dead centre.
Again, I wish Orbán were in power: Budapest would look far more sinister that way. As for the Hungarian claim on Transylvania: yeah, maybe, but with under 20% of the population now, it's bound to remain a mere historical memory. Biruitorul 20:38, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
No, an actual return to Arrow Cross days we can do without, but still, I thank Hungarians for doing what people across Europe had been hoping for ever since the revolutions of 1989 - that is, enlivening politics yet again. They did that in 1848 and 1956 too, which is a little ironic, as Hungarians are in a sense among the least European of Europeans (given their Asiatic origins - which are very distant, but Romanians like to make a big deal out of that). It's just one of the paradoxes that comes with being Hungarian, I suppose. Have you flipped through this book? I suspect you'd enjoy it. Biruitorul 22:18, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
Good night to you too. I'd skipped that video but I agree now, quite uproarious. And indeed, idle chatting is fun but time-consuming - ever try AIM? To be continued, when we've got more time. ♠♣♥♦ Biruitorul 06:40, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
I was referring to the edit by IP: 84.55.83.49 which changed poor to "non existant" on the Turkmenistan human rights article. Perhaps "vandalism" isn't the right word, but it was a meaningless edit which served no purpose and it's simply not true that they're "non existant". Turkmenistan may be a totalitarian dictatorship where freedom of speech is non existant and corruption is widespread, but it's a world better in terms of gender equality than bordering Afghanistan and Iran.
Either way, no hard feelings.
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...Im nicking your ribbon. Thanks! István 23:57, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
If you want, perhaps we should move Ashik Kerib to "Ashik Kerib (film)" and Ashik Kerib (Lermontov) to "Ashik Kerib". That would mean either copy + pasting the text from the short story article (which means we lose the little edit history that it has up to now), or taking it to WP:MOVE. Esn 03:09, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
Those pics are public domain. What the pinheads on Wikisource and Commons wont realise (because they are lazy and wont look very hard) is that the *webpage* is copyrighted, not the images, which are public domain as per their statement. If I were you I might consider reverting your entry to 56 talk, it can only be a lightening rod for trouble. (and trouble goes by many well-known names here) I have no patience to argue copyvio with the hysterical pinheadeds on Wikisource or the Commons - been there, done that. István 22:57, 7 March 2007 (UTC) The contact (from last October) at AHF is atilla.kocsis[at]americanhungarianfederation.org I wrote him and later spoke to a different person who identified himself as "Mr. Takács" István 04:05, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
Sorry, I got carried away with the pinhead remark. Whoever undeleted the image is likely not a pinhead. ;-) I would recommend not mentioning Takács as it is completely unverifiable (I only spoke with him by phone) but they were very pleased with our work (they called me twice). BTW, did you get that Puskás book yet? Good read? Good idea shooting for FA by his death anniversary. István 04:17, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
Should I stay or should I go, as goes the song. Please advise me what would be my course of action right now. I have enough material but not know would I have support of the wikipedian population. Is that support really neccesary or I could give arguments and trust someone would judge fairly. Imbris 02:20, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
I meant - does it pay off to try with mediation or some other form of judgement inside the Wiki. I will not withdraw in my debate with Panonian. -- Imbris 22:23, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
Hello. About that RO-HU contest proposal: I have two ideas -
1. This is more mechanical but easier. Each group translates an FA from its own wiki on a subject we don't have on en.wiki. For example,
hu:Rákóczi-szabadságharc and
ro:Tâmpa.
2. This is more challenging but could be more rewarding. Each group writes an article on something not covered (or barely covered) on en.wiki that should be covered - and that has nothing to do with Romania or Hungary. Examples include the
Bisbee Deportation, the
1906 UK election, and the
1951 NCAA scandal.
If you have other ideas, do tell. Otherwise, I'll let you pick one of these variants (not necessarily on the subjects I proposed).
Biruitorul
06:50, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
Greetings, fellow [Hungarians/Romanians]! I am pleased to announce round 1 of what will hopefully prove an enduring Hungarian-Romanian positive rivalry on Wikipedia. The rules of the contest are as follows:
1. Participants are to translate (
hu:Rákóczi-szabadságharc /
ro:Tâmpa) into English. You may add supplementary material.
2. Within three days of this posting, you may nominate the resulting article for DYK. The team whose article gets DYKed first is the winner.
3. If the Romanians lose, all Romanians who significantly contributed to the article must write, for one week, atop their user pages: "This user supports the cession of Transylvania to Hungary". If the Hungarians lose, all Hungarians who significantly contributed to the article must write, for one week, atop their user pages: "Long live the Treaty of Trianon!" (In the event of a tie, both teams win.)
Peace accepted...until the next war: http://www.purplemoon.com/Stickers/dove-nuke.jpg :))) PANONIAN (talk) 11:53, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
Hey! I'm doing quite well as my medical blog is really growing. :)
So I can't help you, but I asked the Hungarian wiki community to help you there in Commons. I hope it helps. NCurse work 16:42, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
Hi again :) I just wish were talking under nicer circumstances. I've replied to his latest post. I don't see what he wants from us at all. I have no qualms with people discussing relevant points about the article in a civilized manner, but what he's doing is just not productive. It painted a pretty clear picture of what he thinks of us when he described we lesser mortals as "naïf". And I nearly spat out my coffee when I read him describing you as tied up in your emotions wanting Liszt to be one of your own. It's madness! Liszt not Hungarian indeed...
I think he just wants to show off his debating 'skills' arguing that Liszt wasn't Hungarian, must give him a buzz to think he's more intelligent and well-read. It's just scholarly one-up-manship. Hopefully he'll get bored with us as his play things after a bit and stop bothering us. M A Mason 21:10, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
Haha I'm loving the response to him :D Next time he might just reconsider when wondering whether to waste his time or not! He really should talk crap ofr Germany, I didn't bother to read half of his paragraphs. Drivel. As my history teacher might say :D Hope you're keeping well, M A Mason 22:16, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
OMG, you and Biru are crazy :DDD I'll try to do my best. :) – Alensha talk 15:02, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
What should its English title be? (I'm sure I've seen it in one of your posts but can't find it now.) We could start by shortening the section in the Francis II Rákóczi article and moving the largest part of it into the separate article. – Alensha talk 16:48, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
I'm afraid it will be renamed to "uprising", but let's keep the Hungarian point of view as long as we can. BTW the original meant that it was the first significant freedom fight after Hungary was freed from Ottoman rule, not that it freed the country from them. Hungary was actually freed from the Ottomans by the Habsburgs, who kept us occupied after then (much like the Russians. Seems like every superpower which freed us from an occupying power forgot to go home after they liberated us. :) – Alensha talk 17:16, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
I never said I'm an expert on this part of history, but, Mathae, if the Habsburgs were not oppressors, we'll have a hard time explaining why Rákóczi felt the need to revolt against them. :) I translated a short paragraph now, more will come later (I'm quite busy with out-of-wiki things now...) – Alensha talk 17:33, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
Since basically the whole revolution was described in details in Rákóczi's article, I copied the text to the revolution's article. Now it needs to be shortened in Rákóczi's; could you do that? I'm not really good at shortening articles since I've always been an inclusionist and don't have much experience in deleting :) I also added some info about the events leading to the revolution (esp. Thököly's uprising, which was not only a significant event on its own, but also had a major effect on Rákóczi's personal life since Thököly was his stepfather). – Alensha talk 19:34, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
Oddly enough, with the medal you gave me, I think to have been more useful for the week I spent on English Wiki than during the three months which followed my adhesion to the French Wiki. Anyway I don't think that my hardly approximate english speaking would have been up to settle Liszt's nationality issue without your help and understanding.
So : Köszömö, kisasszony Lásztocka (in french : Merci, mademoiselle Lásztocka)
Alexander Doria 19:18, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
And a happy belated Ides of March to you too! István 14:50, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for keeping an eye on the article. I tried to explain the situation on its talk page. – Alensha talk 15:21, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
Why did it not qualify? :O Anyway, since you mentioned you're interested in Petőfi, thought I'd mention that one of his poems is included in the article Castle of Diósgyőr. (He wrote the poem in that castle.) Could you please check if the translation is good? I tried to make it rhyme in English too :) – Alensha talk 20:56, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
We still have 2 ½ hours to go. I'll get back to you when I'm ready. Cheater! Biruitorul 17:29, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
Oh, that's not so good. Until you do move, though, I'd say online would be your best bet for conversation and language improvement. For instance, if you're on facebook, you'll know that there are quite a few Hungarian clubs there, so you could talk to some of the participants, either through messages there or on AIM.
I'm sure you're right about the demonstration participants, which is actually reassuring if you don't like fascism.
Biruitorul
22:51, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
For when you come back: we won! Biruitorul 15:45, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
I'm more of a religious, mystical blood-and-soil (though not a Nazi) romantic ethno-cultural nationalist - assuming one can hold all those ideas at once. And I'm all for stable borders to Romania's west; in the north, southeast and east I'm an open irredentist. By the way, there was an interesting article in a Romanian paper about a Székely centenarian and his memories of the 1918 union. I'll translate bits if you want, or you can try to learn yet another language - one which you'll probably pick up a little more quickly! Biruitorul 02:36, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
Hi. Would you mind checking out this, this, and this—and let me know what you think? Thanks, Khoi khoi 20:20, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
Oh, not Priskin again. Did you see what was going on in huwiki? (see hu:Vita:Szlovákiai magyarok (where the war started), hu:Vita:Ismert szlovákiai magyarok listája (my failed attempt to resolve the issue by creating a list where it can be detailed what links does each person have to Slovakia), hu:Vita:Priskin Tamás, and the page histories.) I'm not even sure the guy is famous enough to have a WP article about him, but this debate was one of the bloodiest wars in huwiki's recent history.
Mt7 was not attacking you, he just attacked Zello and the Hungarian community in general, about you he only said you had no arguments to support what you said. – Alensha talk 16:52, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
Hmm, which specific articles? Also, can you give me diffs of the harassment? Thanks, Khoi khoi 02:05, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
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Thanks, but I think I'll stay out of this one. :) K. Lásztocska 19:16, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
And so say all of us. Might I say a resounding "Köszönöm!" for your efforts?! Sorry to see you depressed, life has a horrible way of getting us down. Hope you feel better soon :) M A Mason 22:21, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
István!! Are you back?!
Thanks for all the kind words, guys, it's really nice to know I'm among friends here. :) K. Lásztocska 21:22, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
A "wikiholic"? Yeah, me too. ;) I'l be 100% gone by mid-June and will have severely limited internet access all summer. And then after that I'll be in conservatory (assuming I don't get too many more rejection letters) and it'll be anyone's guess how much free time I'll have. K. Lásztocska 22:09, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
Hey, I have just seen your wikimood. I am so sorry. I hope you will be better soon. I have been through a period when both the real life was problematic and some people here annoyed the hell out of me. Do not give up! I am sure it will not last for long. Tankred 17:07, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
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Unfortunately he doesn't really have the time. :( K. Lastochka 15:29, 26 May 2006 (UTC) One thing he did tell me about Turkmenistan is that before the fall of the USSR, Ashgabat was the third-most cosmopolitan city in the whole USSR, a big, vibrant city with people of all sorts of ethnic backgrounds, and as much of a cultural center as is possible in Central Asia. :) First was Moscow, he said, then Baku, then Ashgabat. It's really sad what has happened to that poor little country. K. Lastochka 16:52, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
hi, i am new to Wiki, I really want to talk to you guys, especially lastochka, but i do not know how, can you guy help me out by telling me how to sign up and how you guy communicate in real time if ever so, just leave a message under my message right here, thanks---Tamdir
Hi (or is it "salam"?) Tamdir, this is not a good place to communicate (after all, this is my archive), so I messaged you on your talk page here. K. Lásztocska 01:48, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
WikiProject Central Asia has finally been created! If you're interested, please consider joining us. Aelfthrytha 21:56, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
Neat, I'll drop in occasionally! :) K. Lastochka 02:32, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
Salam Lastochka! Thanks for your message. Yeah, I joined to Central Asia project and do some small edits on articles. You may have noticed that my English is not good, so I'd appreciate if you help me with it :) -- Atamyrat 21:14, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
And a hearty jó napot to you too... I am 100% in agreement that 56 should be up as feature on 10/23 (or any time during late October), and the AID is the critical path for this. Thanks for putting out the word, but it seems we are stuck at 21 for right now. Maybe contacting each of the Hungarians that hang out on the Hungarian pages? Ive done a few with mixed success... And please dont feel the need to explain or apologise for ethnicity (sorry if Im not catching a joke, but this IS email really) You are welcome on this side of the barricade as russian, czech, magyar, or whatever. Istvan 19:42, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
I WAS basically joking about the awkwardness my Russian username--I've only recently found out that I'm (very little) part Magyar and all my email/internet/whatever else stuff is all Russian. I'm just multicultural, I guess. :) Anyway, there is a whole list of "Wikipedians in Hungary" that I stumbled across, maybe we can bother some of them. Only if they write back in Hungarian, they're officially YOURS to deal with....csak egy kicsit beszelék magyarul. :) K. Lastochka 21:56, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
Hi,
Thanks for notifying me about that voting. (This English wikipedia is so huge and complicated that I just can't keep my eye on all the pages where a vote would be needed :)) We recently started to use our noticeboard at
Wikipedia:Hungarian Wikipedians' notice board, if you have any Hungary-related thing to say, you can post it there. I already notified them about the voting. BTW it's a big shame but the Hungarian Wikipedia's article about the revolution is hardly more than a stub at this moment, it is more likely that we'll expand the HuWiki article from that of EnWiki than vice versa... we just realized yesterday that we'll have to work on it a lot in the next few weeks :) –
Alensha
talk
13:12, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
Hi Lastochka,
An idea - if you are connected to Czech wiki or Czech groups then please ask for their votes for 1956, and extend our support for Prague Spring in 2008 - I will certainly vote for it when the time comes, and Im sure they'd be willing to vote for 56 if they knew it was up. BTW, quite an impressive jump today - good work to you and Alensha!
Istvan
21:01, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
No kidding! and I hope this Hungarian Revolution thing doesnt morph into more current event than historical reference. Thanks for the promotion BTW - your promotion and Ryanjo's editing are great helps in putting 56 up as feature on 23 Oct.
Istvan
16:06, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
Congratulations on the AID victory! and thanks for the barnstar too. Istvan 02:20, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
Szívesen. (that's "you're welcome") and egeségedre (close analog to "cheers" in the US sense). I purposely only gave those to people who were not already awarded one from you (it would look odd) it is up to you to do as you choose. I was thinking that the first thing we should do is to archive all the old discussion and start the discussion page with a clean slate. Although the article is not in good shape, it is much better now than it was two or three weeks ago - we should remember to recognise those who have put their hearts into it. Also, please dont expect a mass influx of attention - the AID response is often underwhelming, though we may be suprised (its amazing what a small group of dedicated people can do). Still, this is the nominal process to take towards feature status. Istvan 15:59, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
Thanks, but could I make a suggestion? that the very last bits from the previous discussion (now in the archive) be retained; I would suggest at a minimum NCurse's comments, and at a maximum everything below "50-years old echo" - These are still somewhat topical. (I certainly dont want to seem to be reverting your edits, especially that I recommended...) Istvan 17:57, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
OK, its done without reverting.
Generally, the introduction should be a ~3-paragraph overview/summary of the entire article. While it doesn't have to go into too much detail, it should be pretty understandable if read alone (without the remainder of the article). Kirill Lokshin 18:12, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
Hello Lastochka, I think to go from AID to FA(C) we need lots of tidying up and especially more photos (lots of them). Its too early to put this up for FA right now, but I think by the time you hear back from the HA re: copyright and can put up the photos, then it will be ready. Istvan 01:44, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
Very nice! I think the major concerns from the peer review have been resolved now; the only remaining points I can see are the title of the article and the large template at the bottom, and those are both fairly minor. I would suggest submitting this to the A-Class review, and, once that passes, moving on to FAC. Kirill Lokshin 14:08, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for the barnstar :) (Sorry that I'm late, I just noticed it because I hardly ever watch my own user page :D) love,
Alensha
talk
16:23, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
OK, we're up for peer review and Ive asked Kirill to give us a re-rate on the MilHist (so we dont have to overload the FAC nomination with caveats and give antihungarians an easy target). Question to you - what can we do to help the peer review request along? I intend to do more copyediting/streamlining but need your help with the photos - (creating the 56 barnstar illustrates the limits of my graphics abilities) Thanks! Istvan 19:08, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
Szia, Ncurse, the freshly minted Hungarian admin, wrote back regarding the 56 pics (its on my talk page)
So, this looks like a green light to me. Do you see anything wrong with using them? Istvan 07:06, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
Hi L, there is a page on the commons called "Hungarian Revolution of 1956" that contains all the ones I uploaded plus all the Newspaper front page Images. Could you please link your uploads there so we have them all in one spot? Dont worry about axeing Konev - Im not cyring for him. He was just a placeholder, and the only remarkable thing about the photo is how he resembles Rkosi. Istvan 19:00, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
I am as frustrated about it as you - perhaps a statement "reminder: 1956 was a revolution, not a species of tree frog, nor a video game, nor someone's bus stop". Emotion is prerequisite to revolution. Washing it out is censorship. To force a moral equivalency upon unarmed demonstrators on one hand, and those who would fire upon them with heavy weapons on the other is both wrong and factually incorrect. To describe 56 without reference to emotion is like describing Monet without reference to colour. Perhaps there should be a new guideline "56:rev". How to overcome this? Every Hungarian must vote "strong support", lobby every wikipedian they know, and mention, in their own words, that 56 was a very bloody revolution and the strong emotions were a very real cause of it: the ÁVH *was* hated, people *did* dissapear under Rákosi (often on the flimsiest of pretenses), the phrase "Dictatorship of the Proletariat" *was* indeed used, and often. And to top it off, this is all mentioned in the referenced UN report that nobody seems to read. To ignore these is to ignore the event itself. Im preaching to the choir, I know... Istvan 04:36, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
I was wondering, would you be interested in working with me on
Portal:Hungary? It's nice to see you love Hungary this much :) It is now updated every second week only, and I don't know how frequently are other portals updated, but I'm sure the popular portals are updated more often... Right now I'm the only maintainer of it, because every other Hungarian editor was just too happy to leave it to me :) but maybe the two of us could update it weekly. –
Alensha
talk
16:30, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
Hi,
It would be enough if you could contribute to the portal every two weeks, I would do it for the other 2 weeks, then it would have weekly updates, like most of the portals. Then we could also ask our very first Hungarian admin to help making that "currentweek" system, then we could make the selected articles in advance and it would update automatically and would help archiving the previous updates (I don't really know how that system works...)
About politics: I long decided it's not worth worrying about, I only vote at local elections and there I vote for the candidate who could do the most for the city, without caring about which party he belongs to... :D
–
Alensha
talk
17:33, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
I used to vote for Fidesz too but now they're allied with
KDNP, a far too right-wing ultra-religious party, and in my opinion Fidesz managed to alienate many of its former supporters... now there are simply no good parties to vote for. >:-( –
Alensha
talk
18:30, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
They have to, because MSZP is allied with SZDSZ and together they have more voters than Fidesz, and Fidesz had to look for some party to be allied with. Now, at the local elections I haven't even seen "Fidesz candidates", only "Fidesz-KDNP candidates". I don't know much about politics but this should be forbidden that minor parties stick to the large ones and in the end they are the ones who decide the outcome of an election... like that anarchist SZDSZ would be nowhere without MSZP, KDNP would be nothing without Fidesz, and these alliances do nothing but keep these stupid small parties important. –
Alensha
talk
18:38, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
and Fidesz was a liberal party at the beginning, and they're becoming more and more conservative. I'm too young to be conservative yet :D –
Alensha
talk
18:39, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
I agree with that :) btw I guess on HuWiki we would already have been warned about all this politics talk; it's lucky that EnWiki admins don't keep an eye on everything :D –
Alensha
talk
18:43, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
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Thank you for participating in my RfA, which passed with a tally of 91/1/4. I can't express how much it means to me to become an administrator. I'll work even more and harder to become useful for the community. If you need a helping hand, don't hesitate to contact me. NCurse work 15:39, 8 October 2006 (UTC) |
You're welcome. :) Have you uploaded the images to Commons? What about FAC? I'm a reviewer of Wikipedia Release Version team, I can take a serious look at the article, when you plan to nominate it. NCurse work 18:55, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
Hi! I rewritten my support vote, but I don't see why I would have to be an involved editor to say that it is great (and also seeing its original state I could say "it has become"). Anyway I didn't write on the FAC page that I was an involved editor as I didn't actually edit the article (not that I remember), I am proud that I found the Time cover for it and permission to use some newspaper covers (now on commons, that were'nt used as theye are in Hungarian, and thanks to you there are many, more informative pictures in the article), but I don't feel ashamed or anything because I didn't edit the article itself, as with no actual involvement in the events (maybe my grandparents), not seeing any films about it (and even if I have they still would have been fiction), not learning about it in school yet, not reading any books or reports about it, and with the Hungarian article (that I could have translated text from) wasn't in such a good shape, I just didn't feel that I could add anything to it apart from my moral support and technical suggestions ( for ex. here). Hope you understand, and you don't see this as me rejecting my connection to this article by not stating that I am an involved editor in it, but as not stating a lie , though if you (really, really )feel that it wouldn't be stating a lie, I would really be a happy person "running" to the FAC page telling the whole world that I was an editor on that article.-- Dami 12:01, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
Szervusz Lastochka, yes, its tilting our way. I hope the vote is soon, because Ive been "warned" to have all our AHF pics deleted from the commons. Do you know of a plan B? Either a different tag or hosting on the EnWiki itself? Ive put out some pleas for help, but alas.... It would really suck if those were yanked right before the vote. BTW, Paul keeps saying the UN doc ref doesnt work for him - it works for me, what about you? Istvan 02:07, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
WE'RE FA!!!!! pop the pezsgõ !!! lets get our nom up! Istvan 20:59, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
Thank you very much for the barstar award. I appreciate it, and accept it with gratitude and humility, though I'm a latecomer to this effort. It is User:Istvan, and User:Ryanjo who have been laboring away at this article for a very long time. I'm glad they put it up for AID, or I wouldn't have noticed it. Congratulations to all!-- Paul 22:40, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
Well we'd better get our nom up immediately. I notice some noms mention (in the nominating text) a requested date for feature. Since 23 October is the very next one to be chosen, I would suggest to put up Paul's version of the textbox, and a version of my text as the nom article (which includes the ref to 50th anniversary, bravest act, etc.) (please see NCurse's request to Raul654 - it worked) just keep it coolheaded. Would you like to do the honours this time? Paul? Ryanjo? First one gets it. I dont want to hog these things. If nobody has put something up in one hour, I will do it. Istvan 21:14, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
Many thanks for the barnstar and kind words. Your enthusiasm, tact and wit comes through in the words of Hungarian Revolution of 1956. Regards, Ryanjo 00:07, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
And thank you from me too! That was quite a coordinated effort! To have made so much progress with so little conflict is remarkable (lets all remember the lessons of Muhi and not celebrate too early) KL, your passion, brains and drive have been decisive in our success. Istvan 01:11, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
Your boxes are nice too :) Why don't you put them in Babelbox templates so that they will be under each other, not scattered around on the page? :) – Alensha talk 19:02, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
just like you did with the language boxes. check the source of my userbox page to see. :) – Alensha talk 19:12, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
Please first take it easy. :) It happens really often in wiki. Second, I try to join the debate by sending a message to the Jacob Peter user. Hope it helps. Anyway this kind of editing (not vandalism) must always be handled by community dynamics. You have to explain why he is wrong with his edits. Then if he continues, you can contact other admins. That's the best way to walk on. NCurse work 06:03, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
This might be a better place for this kind of talk: You might be right in that that the police is a bit harsh, but from here its just a POV:
Anyway the point is that Hungary is a bit divided now, and things won't get better in my opinion if either radical change doesn't happen (MDF or MIÉP winning an election) or the protesters won't get bored or too cold on the streets. Also if you want to get a full picture see these pictures:
-- Dami 18:56, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
Anyway, If you'd like I could provide you with semi-real time commentary based on Index.hu-s reporting if you'd like.-- Dami 19:01, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
I didn't think you were, I was just trying to illustrate that it can be seen from two sides, and neither is an utopistic view (the people are rioting for truth vs. order and peace is kept according to the rules of democracy). I mentioned Miép as earlier Csurka(their leader) said that both Gyurcsány and Orbán should leave the political palette.
About this whole thing I'm just sad, as it totally ruins Hungarys reputation in the sense that it has been peaceful and stabil in the region... also I'm not a fan of Gyurcsánys "packet" but these protest also have a negative effect on the economy and I fear this will make things worse.-- Dami 19:20, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
Yes, I know :( We already added the info to the articles (I learned about his death in Hungarian Wkipedia...) – Alensha talk 20:23, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
his statue in the downtown is surrounded by candles... people loved him so much. – Alensha talk 16:13, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
dear friend, nice to find some nice people in wikipedia, my work in hungarian and slovak wikipedia is a lot easier. for slovak/serbian problem is necessary to speak/read hungarian, but I did some achievment and evereone can read my opinion at discussion site. -- Mt7 10:22, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
Hi! Thanks for your words, I didn't know, that I have to deal with some real brickheads here, I thought it is a speciality of smaller wikis, like huwiki... see example here. PS: I made that kind-of-userbox on huwiki what you have on yr userpage's upper right corner, but linked to the article instead of the flag. (but at least, the line: 1956-2006. 50 éve - and the flag - remained from it :) )-- VinceB 13:41, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for your lines again :) Silly thing that I'm usually better informed than them :) Oh, I had to dea with a guy, who is concerned, that the Kingdom of Hungary was an apartheid system (with a hungarian supremacy)
read this - No comment. Only going through the maps, you can find tons of mistakes (or some intresting/weird stuff), like showing
Budapest (instead of separated Pest and Buda) on "pre-1873" maps, or showing Bratislava instead of Pressburg on "pre-1919" maps, to point some obvious ones. I've just started a (seems to be long long long) journey right now, to adjust the contents of these pages to the cruel world outside reality. Main problem is that most of the, let me say
bullshit, what can be found in hu-related history articles are derivered from this article, and I'm not an expert in ethinc stuff and not even was intrested in it before, just history. If you know some users here, who are well informed, please, let me know. Thanks!
PS: I took the flag off on nov 4. (for some reason) -- Vince hey, yo! :-) 14:33, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
Yes, you're absolutely right! (As I see, I'm not the first one, who got this...umm..."not nice"...umm..."welcoming" from them) Do you (we) have any new project(s) since the 56 article? Maybe I can help too. Take care, regards -- Vince hey, yo! :-) 15:37, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
Hey...I similarly asked for semi-protection for the Nursultan Nazarbayev article, and it was also denied. I don't understand why they need mass, prolonged vandalism to protect it? I think all wikipedia articles should be semi-protected, or at least the vast majority of them. Oh well. Thanks for trying again.-- Thomas.macmillan 19:04, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
Hi KL, I nicked your userbox for Puskás öcsi - I didnt think you would mind (sincerest form of flattery and all...) normally I dont "do" userboxes, but this is such an exception.... thanks. István 05:30, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
I just tried "Magyarizing" my unusually Russian signature, here's to see if it works... K. Lastochka 03:12, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
Wow, nope. let's try again... K. Lástocska 03:13, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
D'oh....and it takes me this long to realize that if I'm gonna Magyarize, I need to fully Magyarize--which means adding that "z" I forgot.... K. Lásztocska 17:54, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
Oh, but now I don't know what to do! It looks weird with the Z...but I have immense respect and love for the Magyar language...if anyone is reading this and cares to offer an opinion one way or the other, I'd be glad to hear it. KL
No, I did not said that Hungarians do not exist as a nation. There is no doubt that Hungarians as a nation exist, but I only speak about origin of the Hungarians, which is mostly Slavic. If you do not trust to me, then trust to this: http://www.le.ac.uk/genetics/maj4/EuropeMap+Tree.jpg I am not talking here from my head, by I speak what I saw in sources. That map for example show that Hungarians are not different at all from Poles and Ukrainians. And regarding those Hungarians who "look sort of Asiatic", that is called a mestizo (i.e. half European-half Asian), but even among them you have a Slavic half. :) However, according to this genetic map, number of such "mestizo Hungarians" is really not a large one. Regarding racism, the racists claim that their own race is better than other race. Did I claimed something like that? No, I did not. What I said is that Hungarians and Slavs belong to SAME race and I never said that one race is better than another. So, how can that be a racism? And Serbs do have much Illyrian and Thracian blood of course, did I ever said something different? Read all my posts on all talk pages and then make conclusion. Regarding statement that "Hungarians are not Hungarians", I did not meant that Hungarians today are not a nation, but that they are not Hungarians according to the definition what was one Hungarian 1000 years ago. I am not native English speaker, so I might not always express my thoughts in English in proper manner. PANONIAN (talk) 02:27, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
"Isn't EVERY nation/ethnic group/people different now than they were 1000 years ago?"
But that was exactly my point there: those Hungarian users that I mentioned claim that Magyars today are same as they were 1000 years ago and that entire Central Europe belong to them. Regarding the Slavic origin of the Hungarians, that do not refer to origin of those Hungarians from 1000 AD, but to origin of present-day Hungarians, that are, according to many sources, rather descendants of Pannonian Slavs than of Hungarians that settled here under Arpad. Also, the present-day Hungarian language have many Slavic words and Hungarian folk music in Vojvodina have many similarities with Serbian one. Regarding those namers, Attila is not Magyar, but Hunnic name, while Vajk could be of Slavic origin (according to one source it is Magyarized version of Slavic name Vuk ("wolf"), and there are many Serbs with name Vuk). So, you again did not understood what I said because I did not claimed that original Hungarians are of Slavic origin, but only present-day Hungarians. And yes, six months that you are here is not a long period by my opinion, but you should look to see more about edits of some users like Bendeguz, fz22, Osci, HunTheGoat, VinceB, etc, and then you will have a full picture about what I speak here. PANONIAN (talk) 03:57, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
1. There are plenty of Hungarians who look sort of Asiatic, I've seen some. They don't look like the Khanty, but they don't look entirely Slavic either.
2. Even though it is obvious that the original, Asiatic Magyar tribes have in the past 1000 years intermarried and had children with various Slavic peoples from the region, thereby ending up looking more "European", that doesn't mean that "the Hungarians are not Hungarians at all." Such an argument is at best silly and at worst downright racist. It smells of ugly theories of "racial purity" that have terrorized the world for centuries. I'm sure even the Serbs have some "foreign" blood in them. Surely the current Hungarians are somewhat different from the original Hungarians that went with Arpad into the Carpathian basin a millenium ago, but do NOT tell me that "the Hungarians are not Hungarians." As long as we have our language, our stories, our music, our...interesting national character :), and our culture in general, the Hungarians ARE still "real" Hungarians. K. Lástocska 01:48, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
Na, én is pont ugyanezt mondom neki, és mi a válasz: Vagy az hogy egy irredenta nagy-magyarországos vagyok, vagy félrebeszél és ma´s témát kezd. Olvasd csak el a Talk: Sajan (village) elsö részét.-- Öcsi 17:02, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
Hey! Quit arguing on MY talk page, take the fight to your own! :) K. Lástocska 02:16, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
The absolutely right man for you is User:OrbitOne. Please contact him, he'll surely be able to help. NCurs e work 06:43, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
Hi there Lástocska (am I right in guessing – using the interwiki on this page – that your name actually means a kind of swallow, or fecske?), I don't use the User talk namespace too much but a few things came to my mind recently that I want to tell you:
Have a nice day & thanks for your involvement into Hungarian topics,
K issL 11:41, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
Szia! No problem, I haven't had any time for the portal either, so I can't blame others for not having time for it :) btw it's not hard to edit portals, that's what the small "edit" links are for in the different sections :) I just started a new portal for my hometown, it is kind of a vanity project, but I've always planned to do so :) If you want to try and update the Hungary portal, the next update will be due around 15th Dec (since I promised when I took over the portal that it'll be updated at least twice a month...)
I've seen the list of problem articles too, but those subjects are bound to lead to big nationalistic wars and I don't really like being involved in those... I'm sure the Polish Wikipedians would be nice to us, Polish people generally like Hungarians :) and theirs is a large Wikipedia community (plwiki is among the 10 largest WPs if I remember well). They could be of help but it shouldn't look like a Polish-Hungarian alliance against the Slovak-Serbian alliance. :)
– Alensha talk 20:29, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
There aren't many Czechs around here, I've noticed that too. Will you ask the Poles for help? I don't really know where do we need help right now; haven't been following the problem artices for a while. (btw I like Poland too, I have some Polish ancestry :) – Alensha talk 21:24, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
Yes, it's really my birthday :) Thanks! (my Miskolc portal was kind of a wiki-gift to myself, I planned to start it today :) – Alensha talk 22:01, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
Um…I have a book of music that says the place he was born isn't in Austria or Romania:
Raiding??? I thought that place mentioned in the article was the place he was born, but now I'm confused…? —
$PЯINGrαgђ
Always loyal!
23:25, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
Un-confused; Raiding is in Austria. — $PЯINGrαgђ Always loyal! 23:26, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
It doesn't help that everything's changed its name at least five times and belonged to about eight thousand different countries/kingdoms. We still haven't figured it all out! :) K. Lástocska 00:44, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
(sounds like Asimov, hmm?) Your textbox edit works just fine. Dont feel you need to apologise for anything here, those Central Europe pages are sometimes short of diplomats. István 21:46, 4 December 2006 (UTC) Thank you for the kind words István 13:49, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
Thank you. I must say, I thought long and hard about leaving you a message, but again, as "advertising" appears to be frowned upon, I resisted. However, I will let you know next time. By the way, are we ready to do anything new with the '56 Revolution article? I've still got a few ideas kicking around, and then there's that dormant template... Biruitorul 01:11, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
Found a good link to a Hungarian history database, figured I'd put it here before I forgot it. :) KL The Library of Congress >> Especially for Researchers >> Research Centers >> Hungary
Thanks--looks pretty good for earlier things though. :) K. Lástocska 16:43, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
Your accusations of "the large amounts of accusations of extremism, nationalism, trollism and other nasty things coming from Ghirla" are taken seriously. Welcome to the ranks of Ghirlaphobes. -- Ghirla -трёп- 08:03, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for your kind comments on my RfC. And yes, welcome to the ranks of those who have dared to criticize Ghirla. You will know no peace... :> PS. Ghirla has a custom of reverting 99% of critical comments from his talk page, I suggest you reply to him here if you want your comment to be visible.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk 18:53, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
Gentlemen, please do not use MY talk page for YOUR arguments. K. Lástocska 17:28, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
That's what they are there for :) Seriously, WP:CABAL#On_Wikipedia_and_the_Cabal sais it all, and if some people still use - and believe - the cabal arguments, well, that's only to be expected; in the end, this is little different from other conspiracy theories out there. As for RfC, I believe that the best thing that can happen is if more people see it and comment. The number of biased users is tiny, but of course such groups will tend to gather around such threads. If others learn about them, the vast neutral and fair majority will silence them - and we already are begining to see this. Thus I am not suprised some users try to ironically limit the number of people who learn about this RfC - if they can get only a few people to comment, they win, if many come, they will loose... so once again, thank you for your comments. If you want, you can continue to take part in the discussions or ask others to comment, but you have already done a lot. Thank you again, -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk 03:30, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
Looks good. I knew you'll find it easier than you thought :) Usually the subjects of the featured article and the featured picture are not related (b/c the aim of the portal is to cover a wide range of topics), but on special occasions like this one they can be. Congratulations on your first portal-update!
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Alensha
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Thank you for your apology, which was very nice of you, but it really wasn't necessary. "Impale" does indeed bring up instant associations with Vlad, especially internationally. I for one am not part of the ever-increasing group of individuals who takes "offense" at the drop of a hat. If someone insults Romania or expresses anti-Romanian sentiments (which you didn't), I use reason and logic to try and bring him round to what I see as a more enlightened position; I don't walk away in feigned disgust. And if someone is persistently anti-Romanian, I don't begrudge him the right to hold that opinion; I may even be his friend. For, though I am a nationalist/patriot, I realize that all nations are but temporary creations of man (some more enduring than others), one day set to be swept away entirely. So if you were so inclined, you could hurl all the insults you wanted to at my people; I wouldn't think the less of you, particularly because the Transylvania issue is still a painful one for many Hungarians. Biruitorul 23:13, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
Hello! I'm from the cabal which doesn't exist...You have done a good thing by attempting to bring a mediator into the fold here. However, I looked into the case more deeply, and it's probably beyond the scope of all but the most patient and tactful mediators. I used to think that was me, but I got sucked into a brutal edit war myself and have pretty much resigned myself to light-duty caseloads for a while. Most often, just waiting will allow this thingto blow over. THese two obviously HATE each other, however. I see this all the time. Editors are more concerned with fighting each other's POV and never actually reach a consensus, and stop actually caring about what Wikipedia is all about. As long as this argument doesn't spill over into article content, I wouldn't worry about it. Hopefully, given time, they will cool off. I'm not going to take your case, but I'll sign on as a mediator and keep my eye on the dispute. If nothing else, I may be able to help cool these guys down, even if I can't make them agree on anything. Thank you for bringing this to our attention. Antimatter--- talk--- 23:16, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
Thank you very much for your cookie and even more for your kind words! I wish more editors were like you. You certainly do not need to apologize for the behavior of other users. You are one of the most civil editors I have had the pleasure to meet here. Your warm comments and attempts to mediate make Wikipedia a better place to work for everyone around you. That is very precious. Unfortunately, I started to believe that the users of your kind will be always in minority. I just do not know if it is worth contributing if national myths are valued more than knowledge and the only recognition for your work is harassment. Anyway, köszönöm very much again:-) Tankred 23:50, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
Lots of good intentions flying around, but not much in the way of useful stuff. Here is a nice template I found to organize your ever-growing collections of awards :) -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk 14:36, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
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Merry Christmas, you Nagyite chandelier! ;-) István 21:58, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
Check User:Piotrus/Sandbox/Userpage design project. Placeholders can be deleted, commented out or replaced by anything you want, there are basically 10 'puzzles' to place wherever you want. Let me know if you like it :) -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk 23:58, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
I'd strongly suggest you chose a table layout - like the one in my sandox, or my userpage or one of others used. With lots of graphical elements, table layouts are much better...-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk 11:41, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
Ghirla and Piotr have agreed to try mediation with me. JzG who initiated the arbitration request has asked the committee to give this a chance to work. If you'd like to provide input your comments are welocme at User talk:Durova/Mediation/Input. I'd appreciate if you'd append your comment at the arbitration request to allow mediation unless you really want the formal case to go forward. Durova Charg e! 23:10, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
Wouldn't be the first time ( [1], [2], [3]...), so I am inclined not to treat such annoucements seriously. ATM I don't see what could have caused such reaction from him - just a few posts ago he admited at ArbCom that we are making progress. I guess this story wouldn't end that easily, though (note that ArbCom request has been accepted by 4 ArbComers, perhaps this annoyed him - I am not sure what he means by his statement about users leaving, though). Anyway, judging by my experience, he will be back, especially as he just wrote about a break, not leaving like last time (which lasted the entire week or so anyway).-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk 13:06, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
LOL--I guess that's one thing he and I have in common, we stink at taking wikibreaks. :) K. Lástocska 23:44, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
Hello,
An Arbitration case in which you commented has been opened: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Piotrus-Ghirla. Please add any evidence you may wish the arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Piotrus-Ghirla/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Piotrus-Ghirla/Workshop.
On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, -- Srikeit 05:33, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
Köszönöm és a legjobbakat neked is. :) It's really funny, I'll watch this user's contributions. But it seems that he has already raised the attention of other admins. Sorry for the late reply, I had an exam, but I'm back in action. :) NCurs e work 20:24, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
Hi KL, arent you a musician? A good place to start would be with the more fameous of Hungarian musical types - Bártok, Kodály, Liszt are all in fairly good shape, have much longer HuWiki articles (i.e. we could bring material over) and would make pretty good FAC after some work. Soundbytes might be very applicable here as well (I suppose Im on an auditory kick today) and I would certainly help. Mind you, I think Puskás should come first, but as long as we're looking for a place to start, whaddaya say? István 17:31, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
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Well, my advice is - just write articles :) -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk 21:52, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
Just wanted to say hi and thanks for all the hard work you've been putting into the Liszt article lately. I'm quite a big fan of his and read as many books as I can get my hands on about him lol, unfortunately I don't always have the time to put as much work into the article as I'd like to. Just so you know the work you're doing isn't going unappreciated, thanks! Especially with all this nonsense about him being slovak... M A Mason 16:27, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
Sorry for not in English, but I'm tired. Nem hinném, hogy gondot jelentene. Ha ez egy userlapon lenne, akkor ugranék, de éppen arról beszél, a változtatásával még óv is. Sztem erre kár lenne egy adminnak érdemben reagálnia. Ha másként gondolod, kérlek szólj. NCurs e work 20:30, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
OK, that's what I thought, just wanted to make sure. köszönöm nagyon szépen for your help! :) K. Lásztocska 19:49, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
Most látom, frissítetted a magyar portált? :) ügyes vagy! (I'm quite busy now in HuWiki and real life, only managed to update the Miskolc portal this month...) – Alensha talk 20:19, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
these uprisings directly related, if you are read what there written —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Oscar Jet ( talk • contribs) 23:25, 3 January 2007 (UTC).
They are only related in that they were all uprisings against the Soviet Union, but there was no cause-and-effect relationship, it's not like the Hungarian revolution triggered those other two. We can't put in links to all the articles about all other uprisings, it's unnecessary and wastes space. K. Lásztocska 23:30, 3 January 2007 (UTC) Yes, I see, probably you are right, especially the page is full -- Oscar Jet 23:45, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
Just a kind note, but the poem isn't yours, and the moral integrity and actions of the charectors in the poem are the collective item of all it's writers, if you would like to argue the charector that is fine, but please remember that everyone can add to it and change the charector. -- [[User:Yossi842| Yossi842]] 19:58, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
Nice catch about the blog mentioning the 56 article. Im sure you agree, it feels good to see some explicit recognition, after all that work we put in, and to think - this was posted on 10 October, well before the article hit top form, much less before it went frontpage on 23 October! How did you find this? Nice catch! I just posted a reply. István 03:55, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
Just checked the blog you mentioned to István. It feels good to see your work being appreciated :)
I remember the day when Imre Nagy was reburied, on June 16th 1989. My family and me were in Kőszeg visiting my mother's family; 16th was the day we planned to go home, and Dad was worried that we have to drive through Budapest and maybe there would be demonstrations. I was 8 and a half years old, didn't understand much of the historical significance of the event, and found it funny that the guy being reburied has the same name as one of my schoolmates (who was later teased by lots of us for "his" burial making headlines :) (anyway... this was just a small tidbit of how it all looked to me as a child :)
I'm gonna "steal" lots of your userboxes but right now Wikipedia is expreriencing difficulties again... HuWiki can't even be edited today, here in EnWiki the situation is somewhat better. Funny that servers always do this during fundraising campaigns, as if they wanted to demonstrate that Wikimedia needs that money very bad. :)
Anyway, your user page is way more informative now that it was last time I checked it. It's nice what you wrote about your role as a Wiki-diplomat (I'm trying to play the same role in HuWiki :) I never knew you were female. Your interest in football implied that you were a guy but then your "little bird" user name didn't – but of course, these thoughts were based on gender stereotypes, which one must get rid of quickly in this online world where one meets all kinds of interesting people :)
If you'd like to read something in Hungarian to exercise the language, may I recommend the touching anecdote one of our editors posted on the talk page of the Hungarian version of the Puskás article? It's under the title Anekdota on the talk page. It's very nice and I think you'd love it. If you don't understand some of the expressions, I'll help.
Pusztalakó – I was wondering whether you'll notice it :D You know NCurse lives in Debrecen in the big, boring puszta, and there's a long-standing rivalry between our cities because they aren't smart enough to recognize the superiority of Miskolc :)) (no, there's no similar word for people from Miskolc, at least nothing that can be mentioned in polite society... :)
Best of luck with your auditions!
– Alensha talk 15:03, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
p.s.: Sorry for this long long long message. I'm frustrated that Wiki is this slow and a graphomaniac like me must type something all the time.)
A seller on British eBay has the book. [4] 10 GBP plus 6 for shipping; get it fast if it isn't too expensive.
(damn. I just broke my oath that I won't even think of any eBay sites until my next paycheck.)
It would be nice to get the article featured. I'd help too but my knowledge on anything sport-related is extremely limited. I'll notify the other Hungarians, maybe they can help.
About Liszt: His article states that he was Hungarian; this is what really counts, not the lists of Austrians :)
The pusztalakó has a great sense of humor, I'm sure he doesn't mind this nickname. :) Are you planning to visit Hungary in the near future? We plan to have a Wikipedia meetup in Kassa (okay, that's not exactly in Hungary, but let's be irredentists for a short while :)
– Alensha talk 16:32, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
Short answer: I wouldn't say there aren't.
Long answer: ooooh...let me count the ways.....Firstly, we have produced per capita the highest number of Nobel laureates. Apropos, in maths, Hungarian kids repeatedly score top in Europe, and third only behind Japanese and Korean kids on those international mathematics tests.
Hungarian sense of humour is delightfully subtle and razor-sharp, at least as distinctive as that of the English (too bad nobody else can understand it).
Hungarian is a beautifully lyrical language. Even though just about everyone on this planet attests that *their* native language is the most "expressive", Hungarian poetry certainly punches far above its weight, having produced far more and better works than any other nation of 15 Millions. As a knock-on, Hungary has given the world more than its share of musical treasures (I know you dont need elaboration here). This includes not just "high culture" but also the continuum of magyarnóta-klezmer-gypsy music (which is arguably the most passionate on earth). Hungarian radio (unlike say German or Dutch) plays mostly home-grown contemporary music, and unlike much of Europe, it's actually pretty good (mostly). Some Hungarian lyricists/musicians would be famous worldwide if others could understand them. (e.g. Cseh Tamás)
Hungarian food is objectively in Europe's top rank - (in taste, not health - which is a different story) typical of catholic cultures' taking their food very seriously, Hungarian cuisine is universally recognised in Europe and many Europeans travel there mostly for the food (and the drinks). Similarly, Hungarians are among Europe's most compulsively hospitable people (something Anglophones could learn from) Just tour Hungary and its neighbours in the same trip, and see for yourself. Indeed, so long as Hungarians around you know that you are a foreigner, they will be pleasantly helpful with you (something Francophones could learn from) and anyone exploiting or making trouble for you would immediately be regarded as a low-life (or a taxi driver) (or a BKV tickets inspector).
And...I must admit...Hungarian women are arguably the best in the world (except for the overly neurotic ones). They are top drawer in attractiveness, temprament, and are quite competent in the art of being feminine. This is, safe to say, also a pan-European opinion, not just mine.
There are perhaps a thousand reasons Hungarians are different, special, and sometimes even better at some things but in the end one can say that, yes, there do exist redeeming qualities. István 01:38, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
Well, in true wikipedia fashion, I must zealously defend my position and preface with the disclaimer that on second reading, my above crie de coer seems embarrassingly sappy - (KL: this is cardinal sin in Hungary). Alensha, you describe a sad trend gripping the entire world. I compare the H scene with the rest of Europe. Latin Europe also plays mostly homegrown music (French is also pretty good) but Germanic Europe plays mostly US/UK, or dismally formulaic synthesised Bierzeltmusik with lots of jabber in between. I base my H observation mostly on the period from the twilight of socialism to the mid-90s when there were several good artists getting plenty of air time. If its worse now (I dont argue that it isnt), then you are comparing it to the previous Hungarian standard, not the current European (or better "Western" one). Techno-synth-(c)rap rákzene knows no culture and is equally bad all over the world. Even America and UK are getting too stale, and the world is, IMHO, stuck waiting for a new genre to be born, something as fundamentally revolutionary as rock-and-roll was in the 50s - some fresh air to overthrow what needs overthrowing. It will probably happen via MP3 over the internet. and no, I don't read you as being "overly neurotic" at all, but a quite pleasant and good wikipedian István 18:33, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
Hey, there's always room for cris de coeur, at least if you're stuck in the Romantic era like me. :) It may have been sappy, but I found it rather touching, and definitely helped me get out of a rotten mood/long dark night of the magyar soul. :) As for the global pop music disaster, I agree 110% with you guys that something new has to come along to sweep away the crap. I like to think that it will be a revival of folk music, but that probably won't happen. Then again, you never know...look at the táncház movement, I sure wouldn't have predicted that one. (How's it doing btw? Do people still dance the old dances in Budapest? I have GOT to get over there...) K. Lásztocska 23:20, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
Don't get superstitious....its bad luck. István 02:40, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
Kalappal! István 06:46, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
én is szurkolok :) írd majd meg nekünk, hogy sikerült!
I've just left a long rant on Viktor Orbán's talk page... I should have known that all the gods will strike down upon me if I break the resolution I made after the last parlamentary elections, (about not talking about politics), 'cause it just makes me annoyed >:-( – Alensha talk 21:00, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
Oh, Alensha, brilliant rant on Orbán!! LOL! Do I sense that you too are a disgruntled and disgusted erstwhile Fidesz supporter? :) although I heard that Viki might be moving to the Christian Democrats and taking his right-wing cronies with him, so Fidesz might be able to swing back to the center...I hope, I hope... :) K. Lásztocska 01:58, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
Good luck with the auditions! I was trying to find out how to say it in Hungarian but couldn't find anything :( I'm guessing it's Kalappal, but I didn't want to look daft if it was wrong :p Let us know how it goes :) M A Mason 16:45, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
Such incidents happen in every country and the real question is whether they have ethnic background or not. Vojvodina is a multiethnic place and if two men become drunken and start a fight because of pretty woman, it could very likely to happen that such men are of different ethnic origin. The question is whether they started fight because of woman or because they were of different ethnic origin (to see the answer read my previous sentence). Also, the web site that you quoted is not reliable one - for example, among other things, it claim that Hungarian leader (who else but Kasa) was attacked by hand granade. The fact (confirmed by the police) is that the target of that granade was not Kasa but his neighbour living in the same street several blocks away - of course Kasa claimed that he in fact was the target, but just think why. If you want to writte reliable information about events in Vojvodina, then please find a official report of European investigators who investigated those events. PANONIAN (talk) 04:20, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
OK, good night. We will have to continue this discussion (much) later--I'm returning to my extended wikibreak now, since I have much better things to do than get insulted and distrusted just for being a damn Hungarian. K. Lásztocska 04:50, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
I noticed that too. and i'll assume your good faith until i see otherwise. it only started because i thought something (your paragraph) was being taken out for no explained reason. but i don't know enough about the situation to really be able to judge. cheers! Murderbike 05:49, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
';-) whadda chandelier! István 03:01, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
LOL...we're never going to entirely get over that are we...I am rather proud to be almost certainly the only person alive or dead to have ever been called a "Nagyite chandelier." Thanks, Piotrus and Ghirla! :) K. Lásztocska 04:32, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
It's always a pleasure to collaborate with others on various articles. Sometimes when old (or not so old) nationalisms raise their heads it can be a little stressing (as we both now), but in many cases it's a pleasant experience (for example - one of many - I immensly enjoyed collaborating with one of my Romanian friends on the Polish-Romanian Alliance). It would be a pleasure to work with Hungarians on some articles of mutual interest (hmm, perhaps Moldavian Magnate Wars would contain some interesting tidbits? It's a pet project of mine, now a little bit forgotten, about a place and period virtually unknown to most Westerners). Another project which I am slowly movign towards is the Polish Revolution of 1956 - an interesing and important, if less known and widespread, counterpart of the Hungarian Revolution of 1956. Other articles of likely mutual interest would include szabla or Stefan Batory, perhaps?-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk 03:37, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
Hi! :) I was delighted with seeing, that You are not only a fellow Hungarian, but also a fellow LFC fan. =) I made some userboxes recently, maybe You would find them useful. :) User:Jaderoc/UBX/Pool Hungarian version: http://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:JadeRoc/UBX/Pool Best regards, JadeRoc 20:09, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
I hope the auditions went well. István 22:41, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
Yes, welcome back, and congratulations. While you were away, I didn't do that much work on '56 except that I translated one article (
Bucharest student movement of 1956), but I suggest you read
this version because in its current incarnation, it's been ravaged by a Commie (an actual one), and I haven't yet summoned the energy to go back and address his changes.
By the way, I much prefer Viktor Orbán in office in Hungary because he and his party are more anti-Romanian. While a hot conflict would not be in either party's interest at the moment (Romania has all the territory she needs as far as her western borders are concerned, while Hungary would be crushed), I think it's important that a certain antagonism be maintained between the two sides. Otherwise, we might be lulled into too great a rapprochement and sleepwalk into autonomy or worse for the Székelyföld (or all of Transylvania), which would not be fun. Quite Machiavellian of me, no?
Finally, have you seen
this stirring video? A group of brave souls gathered in Sfântu Gheorghe (75% Hungarian) on Romania's national day, singing, "Noi suntem români, noi suntem români, noi suntem aici pe veci stăpâni!" (We are Romanians, we are Romanians, here we are masters for the ages!") Sometimes that fact is forgotten, but it's good to remind people of it from time to time.
Biruitorul
05:42, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
That video isn't stirring, it's frightening! That's basically a Hungarian village, and think about what those "brave souls" are saying--to me it sounds like, we rule over you, you are our inferiors, don't forget that we are masters and you are slaves. I'm not an irredentist exactly, but just think for a moment, how would you feel if there were large numbers of Romanians stuck in, say, Turkey after a not-entirely-100%-fair peace treaty. You'd be concerned for your countrymen, wouldn't you? You'd want them to be able to keep their language and culture and not be harrassed by the hypothetical Turks, wouldn't you? Then imagine on Turkey's national day, crowds of flag-waving Turks descended upon the Romanian villages to say pretty much the same thing those Romanians are saying to the Hungarians. Not so stirring now is it. K. Lásztocska 15:32, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
Thank you. I'm honoured. Of course, if you enabled wiki-mail, we might witness some real derangement, but here, in public and bound by certain rules, we do have to curb our enthusiasm.
Incidentally, to respond to your point about Turkey: there is somewhat of an analogy: the Herţa Raion. This was part of the Romanian state from its inception, was first forcibly incorporated into the USSR in WWII, and is over 90% Romanian to this day. I regard the Ukrainian claim to it as very weak indeed, and if a band of Ukrainian nationalists waltzed in there on Ukraine's national day, waving Ukrainian flags and singing patriotic songs, I would regard that as a serious provocation. However, if you look at Transnistria, (which despite being about a third Romanian has never been Romanian territory), then I would not mind if Soviet (and Transnistria really is still Soviet) nationalists (which I know is somewhat of an oxymoron) were to do the same in a Romanian village on, for instance, the anniversary of the October Revolution. A lot of this has to do with the validity of historical claims.
I didn't say they had to be loyal Romanians, but I would expect it. Before I tackle their particular situation, let's step back a moment. There are, I think, four types of minorities in Europe today: those who have their own state elsewhere in Europe (Hungarians in Romania and Slovakia, Turks in Bulgaria, Swedes in Finland, etc.), those who have a state outside Europe (Jews, Moroccans, Algerians, Chinese, etc.), those who have no state (Kurds, Roma), and regional, stateless minorities (Basques, Welsh, Corsicans...). Probably each of these relates to the state in which they have citizenship differently. For the first group, the tendency is probably strongest to resist loyalty to their state, cultivate links with the other state, and wish for a redrawing of boundaries. But for the time being, Europe's boundaries are fixed, and it's probably a good idea for them to make the best of their current situation.
Now, to the Székely in particular. They can in fact find a comfortable place within Romania, which makes no claims to be a nation for Romanians exclusively and which offers generous protections to its minorities. It is possible (though difficult) to craft an identity which encompasses both a Székely regionalism and a de-nationalised Romanian nationalism (or not). So I'm not under any illusions - Romania's Hungarians are (I would surmise) mostly Romanians of convenience, and if the Hungarian Army ever rolled in there again the scenes of 1940 would no doubt repeat themselves. But until that day comes, they're stuck in Romania, and they should learn to work within those confines (which aren't very burdensome).
True, they're not Romanians, but neither are the Transylvanian Saxons, or the Turks, or the Serbs - but you don't hear any noise from them, only from the Hungarians. The former have more or less all managed to live in Romania quite peaceably. When you say that their language and culture isn't Romanian, that's only true to an extent. At home, maybe their culture is more purely Hungarian, and also they are not Orthodox. However, almost all Hungarians in Romania speak Romanian - this is decidedly not the case in Hungary. Additionally, they serve in the Romanian Parliament and, when taking any governmental oath, swear loyalty to "my fatherland Romania" and to her "unity and territorial integity"; they also compete on Romania's Olympic teams, take Romanian school examinations, etc. - again, things that no Hungarian citizen does. I don't, like Ceauşescu, claim that they are "Hungarian-speaking Romanians", but they are Romanians in a civic sense, as are all Romanian citizens, regardless of ethnicity.
Did they in fact not choose to live in Romania? After all, except for 1940-4, they have been doing so since 1918. That's a long time to try and integrate into one's state. Furthermore, and this is not intended to be a lazy ultranationalist "let them leave" type of statement, but if they find life in Romania to be that unbearable, the border is now wide open. Clearly they don't, and they're attached to their ancestral lands, but they could choose to leave if it came to that. And it's more than an accident of history that they live within Romania: our claim to the region is not a mere accident. Furthermore, in a borderless Europe, it now seems rather odd to wish to put up a fence around one's own little region. With Kurdistan there isn't so much of a comparison to make, as ♠♣♥♦ (don't you get the urge to press those buttons?) the Turks have consistently oppressed the Kurds in a way Romanians haven't done, and as Kurds live in a compact mass that can easily be chopped off Turkey (and Iraq), unlike the Székely, who happen to live in Romania's dead centre.
Again, I wish Orbán were in power: Budapest would look far more sinister that way. As for the Hungarian claim on Transylvania: yeah, maybe, but with under 20% of the population now, it's bound to remain a mere historical memory. Biruitorul 20:38, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
No, an actual return to Arrow Cross days we can do without, but still, I thank Hungarians for doing what people across Europe had been hoping for ever since the revolutions of 1989 - that is, enlivening politics yet again. They did that in 1848 and 1956 too, which is a little ironic, as Hungarians are in a sense among the least European of Europeans (given their Asiatic origins - which are very distant, but Romanians like to make a big deal out of that). It's just one of the paradoxes that comes with being Hungarian, I suppose. Have you flipped through this book? I suspect you'd enjoy it. Biruitorul 22:18, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
Good night to you too. I'd skipped that video but I agree now, quite uproarious. And indeed, idle chatting is fun but time-consuming - ever try AIM? To be continued, when we've got more time. ♠♣♥♦ Biruitorul 06:40, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
I was referring to the edit by IP: 84.55.83.49 which changed poor to "non existant" on the Turkmenistan human rights article. Perhaps "vandalism" isn't the right word, but it was a meaningless edit which served no purpose and it's simply not true that they're "non existant". Turkmenistan may be a totalitarian dictatorship where freedom of speech is non existant and corruption is widespread, but it's a world better in terms of gender equality than bordering Afghanistan and Iran.
Either way, no hard feelings.
Retrieved from " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Impulsion"
...Im nicking your ribbon. Thanks! István 23:57, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
If you want, perhaps we should move Ashik Kerib to "Ashik Kerib (film)" and Ashik Kerib (Lermontov) to "Ashik Kerib". That would mean either copy + pasting the text from the short story article (which means we lose the little edit history that it has up to now), or taking it to WP:MOVE. Esn 03:09, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
Those pics are public domain. What the pinheads on Wikisource and Commons wont realise (because they are lazy and wont look very hard) is that the *webpage* is copyrighted, not the images, which are public domain as per their statement. If I were you I might consider reverting your entry to 56 talk, it can only be a lightening rod for trouble. (and trouble goes by many well-known names here) I have no patience to argue copyvio with the hysterical pinheadeds on Wikisource or the Commons - been there, done that. István 22:57, 7 March 2007 (UTC) The contact (from last October) at AHF is atilla.kocsis[at]americanhungarianfederation.org I wrote him and later spoke to a different person who identified himself as "Mr. Takács" István 04:05, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
Sorry, I got carried away with the pinhead remark. Whoever undeleted the image is likely not a pinhead. ;-) I would recommend not mentioning Takács as it is completely unverifiable (I only spoke with him by phone) but they were very pleased with our work (they called me twice). BTW, did you get that Puskás book yet? Good read? Good idea shooting for FA by his death anniversary. István 04:17, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
Should I stay or should I go, as goes the song. Please advise me what would be my course of action right now. I have enough material but not know would I have support of the wikipedian population. Is that support really neccesary or I could give arguments and trust someone would judge fairly. Imbris 02:20, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
I meant - does it pay off to try with mediation or some other form of judgement inside the Wiki. I will not withdraw in my debate with Panonian. -- Imbris 22:23, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
Hello. About that RO-HU contest proposal: I have two ideas -
1. This is more mechanical but easier. Each group translates an FA from its own wiki on a subject we don't have on en.wiki. For example,
hu:Rákóczi-szabadságharc and
ro:Tâmpa.
2. This is more challenging but could be more rewarding. Each group writes an article on something not covered (or barely covered) on en.wiki that should be covered - and that has nothing to do with Romania or Hungary. Examples include the
Bisbee Deportation, the
1906 UK election, and the
1951 NCAA scandal.
If you have other ideas, do tell. Otherwise, I'll let you pick one of these variants (not necessarily on the subjects I proposed).
Biruitorul
06:50, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
Greetings, fellow [Hungarians/Romanians]! I am pleased to announce round 1 of what will hopefully prove an enduring Hungarian-Romanian positive rivalry on Wikipedia. The rules of the contest are as follows:
1. Participants are to translate (
hu:Rákóczi-szabadságharc /
ro:Tâmpa) into English. You may add supplementary material.
2. Within three days of this posting, you may nominate the resulting article for DYK. The team whose article gets DYKed first is the winner.
3. If the Romanians lose, all Romanians who significantly contributed to the article must write, for one week, atop their user pages: "This user supports the cession of Transylvania to Hungary". If the Hungarians lose, all Hungarians who significantly contributed to the article must write, for one week, atop their user pages: "Long live the Treaty of Trianon!" (In the event of a tie, both teams win.)
Peace accepted...until the next war: http://www.purplemoon.com/Stickers/dove-nuke.jpg :))) PANONIAN (talk) 11:53, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
Hey! I'm doing quite well as my medical blog is really growing. :)
So I can't help you, but I asked the Hungarian wiki community to help you there in Commons. I hope it helps. NCurse work 16:42, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
Hi again :) I just wish were talking under nicer circumstances. I've replied to his latest post. I don't see what he wants from us at all. I have no qualms with people discussing relevant points about the article in a civilized manner, but what he's doing is just not productive. It painted a pretty clear picture of what he thinks of us when he described we lesser mortals as "naïf". And I nearly spat out my coffee when I read him describing you as tied up in your emotions wanting Liszt to be one of your own. It's madness! Liszt not Hungarian indeed...
I think he just wants to show off his debating 'skills' arguing that Liszt wasn't Hungarian, must give him a buzz to think he's more intelligent and well-read. It's just scholarly one-up-manship. Hopefully he'll get bored with us as his play things after a bit and stop bothering us. M A Mason 21:10, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
Haha I'm loving the response to him :D Next time he might just reconsider when wondering whether to waste his time or not! He really should talk crap ofr Germany, I didn't bother to read half of his paragraphs. Drivel. As my history teacher might say :D Hope you're keeping well, M A Mason 22:16, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
OMG, you and Biru are crazy :DDD I'll try to do my best. :) – Alensha talk 15:02, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
What should its English title be? (I'm sure I've seen it in one of your posts but can't find it now.) We could start by shortening the section in the Francis II Rákóczi article and moving the largest part of it into the separate article. – Alensha talk 16:48, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
I'm afraid it will be renamed to "uprising", but let's keep the Hungarian point of view as long as we can. BTW the original meant that it was the first significant freedom fight after Hungary was freed from Ottoman rule, not that it freed the country from them. Hungary was actually freed from the Ottomans by the Habsburgs, who kept us occupied after then (much like the Russians. Seems like every superpower which freed us from an occupying power forgot to go home after they liberated us. :) – Alensha talk 17:16, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
I never said I'm an expert on this part of history, but, Mathae, if the Habsburgs were not oppressors, we'll have a hard time explaining why Rákóczi felt the need to revolt against them. :) I translated a short paragraph now, more will come later (I'm quite busy with out-of-wiki things now...) – Alensha talk 17:33, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
Since basically the whole revolution was described in details in Rákóczi's article, I copied the text to the revolution's article. Now it needs to be shortened in Rákóczi's; could you do that? I'm not really good at shortening articles since I've always been an inclusionist and don't have much experience in deleting :) I also added some info about the events leading to the revolution (esp. Thököly's uprising, which was not only a significant event on its own, but also had a major effect on Rákóczi's personal life since Thököly was his stepfather). – Alensha talk 19:34, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
Oddly enough, with the medal you gave me, I think to have been more useful for the week I spent on English Wiki than during the three months which followed my adhesion to the French Wiki. Anyway I don't think that my hardly approximate english speaking would have been up to settle Liszt's nationality issue without your help and understanding.
So : Köszömö, kisasszony Lásztocka (in french : Merci, mademoiselle Lásztocka)
Alexander Doria 19:18, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
And a happy belated Ides of March to you too! István 14:50, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for keeping an eye on the article. I tried to explain the situation on its talk page. – Alensha talk 15:21, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
Why did it not qualify? :O Anyway, since you mentioned you're interested in Petőfi, thought I'd mention that one of his poems is included in the article Castle of Diósgyőr. (He wrote the poem in that castle.) Could you please check if the translation is good? I tried to make it rhyme in English too :) – Alensha talk 20:56, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
We still have 2 ½ hours to go. I'll get back to you when I'm ready. Cheater! Biruitorul 17:29, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
Oh, that's not so good. Until you do move, though, I'd say online would be your best bet for conversation and language improvement. For instance, if you're on facebook, you'll know that there are quite a few Hungarian clubs there, so you could talk to some of the participants, either through messages there or on AIM.
I'm sure you're right about the demonstration participants, which is actually reassuring if you don't like fascism.
Biruitorul
22:51, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
For when you come back: we won! Biruitorul 15:45, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
I'm more of a religious, mystical blood-and-soil (though not a Nazi) romantic ethno-cultural nationalist - assuming one can hold all those ideas at once. And I'm all for stable borders to Romania's west; in the north, southeast and east I'm an open irredentist. By the way, there was an interesting article in a Romanian paper about a Székely centenarian and his memories of the 1918 union. I'll translate bits if you want, or you can try to learn yet another language - one which you'll probably pick up a little more quickly! Biruitorul 02:36, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
Hi. Would you mind checking out this, this, and this—and let me know what you think? Thanks, Khoi khoi 20:20, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
Oh, not Priskin again. Did you see what was going on in huwiki? (see hu:Vita:Szlovákiai magyarok (where the war started), hu:Vita:Ismert szlovákiai magyarok listája (my failed attempt to resolve the issue by creating a list where it can be detailed what links does each person have to Slovakia), hu:Vita:Priskin Tamás, and the page histories.) I'm not even sure the guy is famous enough to have a WP article about him, but this debate was one of the bloodiest wars in huwiki's recent history.
Mt7 was not attacking you, he just attacked Zello and the Hungarian community in general, about you he only said you had no arguments to support what you said. – Alensha talk 16:52, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
Hmm, which specific articles? Also, can you give me diffs of the harassment? Thanks, Khoi khoi 02:05, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
Hello,
An Arbitration case in which you commented has been opened: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Darwinek. Please add any evidence you may wish the arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Darwinek/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Darwinek/Workshop.
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Thanks, but I think I'll stay out of this one. :) K. Lásztocska 19:16, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
And so say all of us. Might I say a resounding "Köszönöm!" for your efforts?! Sorry to see you depressed, life has a horrible way of getting us down. Hope you feel better soon :) M A Mason 22:21, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
István!! Are you back?!
Thanks for all the kind words, guys, it's really nice to know I'm among friends here. :) K. Lásztocska 21:22, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
A "wikiholic"? Yeah, me too. ;) I'l be 100% gone by mid-June and will have severely limited internet access all summer. And then after that I'll be in conservatory (assuming I don't get too many more rejection letters) and it'll be anyone's guess how much free time I'll have. K. Lásztocska 22:09, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
Hey, I have just seen your wikimood. I am so sorry. I hope you will be better soon. I have been through a period when both the real life was problematic and some people here annoyed the hell out of me. Do not give up! I am sure it will not last for long. Tankred 17:07, 27 March 2007 (UTC)