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... this RfA. I think the only difference is the number of edits. Look at the comments where people are lauding the candidate for having thought about her answers instead of studying for the RfA. I think if you'd had more edits when you tried, the result might have been very similar. Keep up the good work. Frank | talk 16:55, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
Hi. I see you nominated House at 536 Park for speedy deletion. I realize it was a minimal stub at the time, but looking closer, it's clearly worthy of a Wikipedia article as it's listed on the National Register of Historic Places. Wikipedia:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places is dedicated to ensuring that all of these have articles behind them. Cheers. Toddst1 ( talk) 00:31, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
Hi there - I noted when I logged on that you have instered a notice onto the page - blimey that was a bit quick! This was a holding page which I was working on last night - UK time - and I dont really think I want it inbto wikisource. I have now re-edited this (deleted all and replaced) and I would be grateful if you could remove the notice you have put on there - I take your point on the old content by the way - but the actual legislation is already covered on another page - this is now I hope just an encyclopedia entry on the subject - albeit one that could do with some input from those knowledgeable about the law in different jurisdictions.
Trollhobgoblin ( talk) 17:39, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
[[/Sandbox]]
or [[/Sandbox 1]]
or [[/WIP]]
or something to your
user page and click on the link after saving the page). Alternatively, you can use a template like {{
Underconstruction}}
or {{
WIP}}
on the article itself to alert others that it is being heavily edited.
It Is Me Here (
talk)
18:40, 27 August 2008 (UTC)Sorry, I don't have the March issue and the April one doesn't have the article. All articles are listed in that table. — Vanderdecken∴ ∫ ξ φ 18:56, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
I just reverted your change. For some reason it breaks the link. I'd have fixed it myself but I couldn't figure out what was wrong. However, it definitely makes the image un-clickable. Sorry. APL ( talk) 03:01, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
I am not sure if the article fits under {{db-noenglish}} because I don't think it's on a foreign article. It does need to be translated, but I'm not sure what tag is used for that. -- Ŵïllî§ï$2 ( Talk!/ Cont.) 15:19, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
Hello, User:Istanbul ogretmenim's cont. are mostly spam and advert. He opened articles like theese on tr.wiki and we deleted them. I think he don't want to make a good things. :) Kind regards-- Mach ( talk) 16:10, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
{{
db-g3}}
/ {{
db-g11}}
etc. as necessary?
It Is Me Here (
talk)
16:16, 1 September 2008 (UTC)As I explained in the "reason" field of edit page, Gea is another name for Gæa or Gaia, used in romance languages. I do not understand why you say it is uncostructive. It is a fact, a data. It is not a matter to be contructive, but exaustive. By the way, I am not new to Wikipedia. I am here since January 2006.-- Dejudicibus ( talk) 18:38, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
The easiest way I know of is to view the last good revision itself - you can do this by clicking the date in the history. That should take you to a preview of the article as it looked at that point. Then, edit it as normal, changing nothing, and noting the reversion in the edit summary. It'll warn you that you're editing an old version of the page, which is fine - that's the plan. Once you save that revision, it overwrites the subsequent edits with the old version of the page. The caveat is that you'll want to then re-add any good edits, but I didn't see any in this case. Hope this helps, UltraExactZZ Claims ~ Evidence 18:10, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
A response has been posted to your thread at Wikipedia:Requests for feedback#Europa Barbarorum. Jennavecia (Talk) 18:46, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
Thank you for supporting me in my RfA, which passed with a count of (166/43/7). I appreciate your comments and in my actions as an administrator I will endeavor to maintain the trust you have placed in me. I am honored by your trust and your support. Thank you, Cirt ( talk) 02:34, 16 September 2008 (UTC) |
I've indented your struck oppose as it was showing up as a double !vote in Tangobot's table. Everyme 17:03, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
Hello,
I cannot see why you would have been blocked on sco:. I have lifted the block and asked Bazza for an explanation as to why you were blocked. I suspect that it was a mistake and you somehow got caught up in a flurry of legitimate blockings of vandals.
Many apologies!
Mendor ( talk) 22:24, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
As Bazza has said on my talk page, the policy is different; as we are a small wiki, with relatively very few contributors/admins and relatively very many spammers and vandals, the policy up till now has been to block vandals on sight. There often isn't the time or people to go through a lengthy warning procedure as many vandals can be very disruptive; in other cases there is clearly no point as the user has no intention of constructively contributing.
The problem with this is that if admins don't check edits carefully enough it can catch innocent users in the net, as has evidently happened here. In the light of this, as Bazza has said on my talk page, we will review the policy.
Very sorry again,
Mendor ( talk) 09:25, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
I've been searching for the copy of PC Gamer that you mentioned on my talk page but as yet I've had no luck in tracking it down. I should have it, somewhere. I'll keep on looking for it an if I find it I'll let you know. - X201 ( talk) 13:55, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
many,many,many,many,many apologies for vadalism. it can be anonymous people. -- 98.172.89.56 ( talk) 18:30, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
Hi -- I notice that you tagged Costa rica for speedy deletion shortly before I replaced it with a redirect to Costa Rica (which is what it was, before a bunch of vandals replaced it with garbage). I just wanted to let you know I wasn't labelling your edit vandalism, and to explain what happened. -- Why Not A Duck 19:10, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
The discussion which you began on 22 July 2008 has been archived, with very much additional commentary,
at
Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)/Archive 35#Easy as pi? (subsectioned and sub-subsectioned).
A related discussion is at
(Temporary link)
Talk:Mathematics#Making mathematics articles more accessible to a general readership and
(Permanent link)
Talk:Mathematics (Section "Making mathematics articles more accessible to a general readership").
Another related discussion is at
(Temporary link)
Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics#Making mathematics articles more accessible to a general readership and
(Permanent link)
Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics (Section "Making mathematics articles more accessible to a general readership").
--
Wavelength (
talk)
15:10, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
I use audacity myself, and have had good results with this method:
1. Find a patch of "silence" - that is, a few seconds that have no sound except for the hiss or crackle you want to remove. If necessary, create a patch of at least a second at the end by copying shorter gaps in the music. Be careful to only include silence in here - not the fading notes of the last chord, etc. 2. Hit cntrl-2, Cntrl-1, Cntrl-1. This will get you at a good zoom level for the next part. 3. Go through, listening to the song, and, except in your patch of "silence", remove as many pops as you can by highlighting and deleting them. Don't highlight too much, or you change the tempo. Check after you removed them, because sometimes this can make things worse. If there's a large amount of crackle, just get the really, really obvious ones and go to step 4. 4. Under edit, choose Select->All, then go back to the edit menu and choose "duplicate". You now have two identical tracks. 5. Select the patch of silence on one of these tracks (you may want to zoom back out using Cntrl-2), then go to the effect menu and choose Noise removal. Hit the "Get Noise Profile" button. 6. Select all of one of your two identical tracks. Home, followed by Shift+End will do this for you. Go to Effect->Noise removal and, using the default settings, remove the noise. 7. You now have a cleaned track and an uncleaned track. This is because noise removal removes information, so you don't want to remove the noise completely. Instead, using the slider bars on the left of each track window, adjust the relative volumes. I find that no change or -3dB to the cleaned track, and -6db or -9dB (depending on how noisy the original was) to the uncleaned is generally a good choice.
Give me a poke if you need more help with the Toreador song. =) I can also point you in the direction of some good sites to get public domain songs. Shoemaker's Holiday ( talk) 20:33, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
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Can you please confirm (here) that you applied for the account creator tool with the username It Is Me Here? Stifle ( talk) 09:24, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
Hey there! Just a note thanking you for supporting my RFA which successfully passed with 60 supports, 0 opposes and 2 neutrals. I hope I'll be able to live up to everyone's expectations, and thank you for trusting me! All the best, Ale_Jrb talk 20:38, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
FYI- The GA Review of Europa Barbarorum has been started and comments have been left at Talk:Europa Barbarorum/GA1. Any questions you may have can be directed there. ( Guyinblack25 talk 15:47, 22 October 2008 (UTC))
I'm sure you noticed my work on the Europa Barbarorum article, and I hope you don't mind it - I've mostly been trying to copyedit the article as best as I can and according to the GA nomination review. If you feel my changes are butchering your work, or having an adverse effect on the article, let me know and I will stop; I also have some ideas on how to improve the article, if you were thinking of bringing it higher than GA (I'm sure it can manage at least A class, if not FA). -- VPeric ( talk) 20:41, 27 October 2008 (UTC) [I would prefer if any response you might have be posted here; thanks!]
In regard to image usage- Image:Age ii feudal age celts.jpg in Age of Empires II: The Age of Kings passed WP:FAC with 800 × 600 dimensions. So if the whole of Image:EB RTW unit comparison.png was reduced to something like 1600 × 1200, then it should be fine. To be honest though, I think the preview size of 781 × 599 works well enough, and would further ensure it's within limits. You also may want to trim it down to just a single comparison. Non-free image use should be minimal, and a second comparison doesn't add too much since they are both battles that illustrate units. Hope that helps. ( Guyinblack25 talk 20:06, 29 October 2008 (UTC))
Thank you for uploading Image:RTW_Romans_Gauls.png. However, it currently is missing information on its copyright status. Wikipedia takes copyright very seriously. It may be deleted soon, unless we can determine the license and the source of the image. If you know this information, then you can add a copyright tag to the image description page.
If you have uploaded other files, consider checking that you have specified their license and tagged them, too. You can find a list of files you have uploaded by following this link.
If you have any questions, please feel free to ask them at the media copyright questions page. Thanks again for your cooperation. O sama KReply? on my talk page, please 02:47, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
Editing my edits and calling them vandalism will only help to conceal truths. Have a good day. Let the truth be known. 60.50.76.72 ( talk) 17:34, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
Thank you for protecting my talk page. Cheers! 69.234.125.74 ( talk) 18:23, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
An image created by you has been promoted to
featured picture status Your image,
Image:Byzantine Constantinople-en.png, was nominated on
Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates, gained a consensus of support, and has been promoted. If you would like to nominate an image, please do so at
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Thanks for the nom! Royal broil 16:02, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
Sorry, I was just sticking to the official guidelines on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Fact
"You can also add "dummy" parameters to leave a better record for future editors. For example, the following usage might be appropriate to the arguable claim that "Humphrey Bogart is the greatest actor...":"
Not only is it official, it is also sensible. If someone wants to discuss my objection, that can go on the Talk page, but explaining exactly what is being questioned precisely where the issue comes up makes matters easier for everyone in future. 89.136.135.51 ( talk) 12:38, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
One more thing. From my empty history page, you can assume I'm a new user (I'm not, but you weren't to know). The idea of Wikipedia is all-inclusive collaboration. Unfortunately, in the last two years it has become an exclusive cult that discourages newbies. "Oh, sorry, you can't do, due to a 1999 ruling on editing stubs on Sundays - see "Wikpedia: Sunday Stubs"". Get real. My edit was within Wikipedia guidelines AND made good sense. Did it ruin anyone's day by not being where you happen to prefer comments to be made? No. So how about you encourage new editors rather than trying to get them to hop on one leg because of your ideas of how Wikipedia should work? 89.136.135.51 ( talk) 12:51, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
This page is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
... this RfA. I think the only difference is the number of edits. Look at the comments where people are lauding the candidate for having thought about her answers instead of studying for the RfA. I think if you'd had more edits when you tried, the result might have been very similar. Keep up the good work. Frank | talk 16:55, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
Hi. I see you nominated House at 536 Park for speedy deletion. I realize it was a minimal stub at the time, but looking closer, it's clearly worthy of a Wikipedia article as it's listed on the National Register of Historic Places. Wikipedia:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places is dedicated to ensuring that all of these have articles behind them. Cheers. Toddst1 ( talk) 00:31, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
Hi there - I noted when I logged on that you have instered a notice onto the page - blimey that was a bit quick! This was a holding page which I was working on last night - UK time - and I dont really think I want it inbto wikisource. I have now re-edited this (deleted all and replaced) and I would be grateful if you could remove the notice you have put on there - I take your point on the old content by the way - but the actual legislation is already covered on another page - this is now I hope just an encyclopedia entry on the subject - albeit one that could do with some input from those knowledgeable about the law in different jurisdictions.
Trollhobgoblin ( talk) 17:39, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
[[/Sandbox]]
or [[/Sandbox 1]]
or [[/WIP]]
or something to your
user page and click on the link after saving the page). Alternatively, you can use a template like {{
Underconstruction}}
or {{
WIP}}
on the article itself to alert others that it is being heavily edited.
It Is Me Here (
talk)
18:40, 27 August 2008 (UTC)Sorry, I don't have the March issue and the April one doesn't have the article. All articles are listed in that table. — Vanderdecken∴ ∫ ξ φ 18:56, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
I just reverted your change. For some reason it breaks the link. I'd have fixed it myself but I couldn't figure out what was wrong. However, it definitely makes the image un-clickable. Sorry. APL ( talk) 03:01, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
I am not sure if the article fits under {{db-noenglish}} because I don't think it's on a foreign article. It does need to be translated, but I'm not sure what tag is used for that. -- Ŵïllî§ï$2 ( Talk!/ Cont.) 15:19, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
Hello, User:Istanbul ogretmenim's cont. are mostly spam and advert. He opened articles like theese on tr.wiki and we deleted them. I think he don't want to make a good things. :) Kind regards-- Mach ( talk) 16:10, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
{{
db-g3}}
/ {{
db-g11}}
etc. as necessary?
It Is Me Here (
talk)
16:16, 1 September 2008 (UTC)As I explained in the "reason" field of edit page, Gea is another name for Gæa or Gaia, used in romance languages. I do not understand why you say it is uncostructive. It is a fact, a data. It is not a matter to be contructive, but exaustive. By the way, I am not new to Wikipedia. I am here since January 2006.-- Dejudicibus ( talk) 18:38, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
The easiest way I know of is to view the last good revision itself - you can do this by clicking the date in the history. That should take you to a preview of the article as it looked at that point. Then, edit it as normal, changing nothing, and noting the reversion in the edit summary. It'll warn you that you're editing an old version of the page, which is fine - that's the plan. Once you save that revision, it overwrites the subsequent edits with the old version of the page. The caveat is that you'll want to then re-add any good edits, but I didn't see any in this case. Hope this helps, UltraExactZZ Claims ~ Evidence 18:10, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
A response has been posted to your thread at Wikipedia:Requests for feedback#Europa Barbarorum. Jennavecia (Talk) 18:46, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
Thank you for supporting me in my RfA, which passed with a count of (166/43/7). I appreciate your comments and in my actions as an administrator I will endeavor to maintain the trust you have placed in me. I am honored by your trust and your support. Thank you, Cirt ( talk) 02:34, 16 September 2008 (UTC) |
I've indented your struck oppose as it was showing up as a double !vote in Tangobot's table. Everyme 17:03, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
Hello,
I cannot see why you would have been blocked on sco:. I have lifted the block and asked Bazza for an explanation as to why you were blocked. I suspect that it was a mistake and you somehow got caught up in a flurry of legitimate blockings of vandals.
Many apologies!
Mendor ( talk) 22:24, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
As Bazza has said on my talk page, the policy is different; as we are a small wiki, with relatively very few contributors/admins and relatively very many spammers and vandals, the policy up till now has been to block vandals on sight. There often isn't the time or people to go through a lengthy warning procedure as many vandals can be very disruptive; in other cases there is clearly no point as the user has no intention of constructively contributing.
The problem with this is that if admins don't check edits carefully enough it can catch innocent users in the net, as has evidently happened here. In the light of this, as Bazza has said on my talk page, we will review the policy.
Very sorry again,
Mendor ( talk) 09:25, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
I've been searching for the copy of PC Gamer that you mentioned on my talk page but as yet I've had no luck in tracking it down. I should have it, somewhere. I'll keep on looking for it an if I find it I'll let you know. - X201 ( talk) 13:55, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
many,many,many,many,many apologies for vadalism. it can be anonymous people. -- 98.172.89.56 ( talk) 18:30, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
Hi -- I notice that you tagged Costa rica for speedy deletion shortly before I replaced it with a redirect to Costa Rica (which is what it was, before a bunch of vandals replaced it with garbage). I just wanted to let you know I wasn't labelling your edit vandalism, and to explain what happened. -- Why Not A Duck 19:10, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
The discussion which you began on 22 July 2008 has been archived, with very much additional commentary,
at
Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)/Archive 35#Easy as pi? (subsectioned and sub-subsectioned).
A related discussion is at
(Temporary link)
Talk:Mathematics#Making mathematics articles more accessible to a general readership and
(Permanent link)
Talk:Mathematics (Section "Making mathematics articles more accessible to a general readership").
Another related discussion is at
(Temporary link)
Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics#Making mathematics articles more accessible to a general readership and
(Permanent link)
Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics (Section "Making mathematics articles more accessible to a general readership").
--
Wavelength (
talk)
15:10, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
I use audacity myself, and have had good results with this method:
1. Find a patch of "silence" - that is, a few seconds that have no sound except for the hiss or crackle you want to remove. If necessary, create a patch of at least a second at the end by copying shorter gaps in the music. Be careful to only include silence in here - not the fading notes of the last chord, etc. 2. Hit cntrl-2, Cntrl-1, Cntrl-1. This will get you at a good zoom level for the next part. 3. Go through, listening to the song, and, except in your patch of "silence", remove as many pops as you can by highlighting and deleting them. Don't highlight too much, or you change the tempo. Check after you removed them, because sometimes this can make things worse. If there's a large amount of crackle, just get the really, really obvious ones and go to step 4. 4. Under edit, choose Select->All, then go back to the edit menu and choose "duplicate". You now have two identical tracks. 5. Select the patch of silence on one of these tracks (you may want to zoom back out using Cntrl-2), then go to the effect menu and choose Noise removal. Hit the "Get Noise Profile" button. 6. Select all of one of your two identical tracks. Home, followed by Shift+End will do this for you. Go to Effect->Noise removal and, using the default settings, remove the noise. 7. You now have a cleaned track and an uncleaned track. This is because noise removal removes information, so you don't want to remove the noise completely. Instead, using the slider bars on the left of each track window, adjust the relative volumes. I find that no change or -3dB to the cleaned track, and -6db or -9dB (depending on how noisy the original was) to the uncleaned is generally a good choice.
Give me a poke if you need more help with the Toreador song. =) I can also point you in the direction of some good sites to get public domain songs. Shoemaker's Holiday ( talk) 20:33, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
Please accept this notice to join the
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Can you please confirm (here) that you applied for the account creator tool with the username It Is Me Here? Stifle ( talk) 09:24, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
Hey there! Just a note thanking you for supporting my RFA which successfully passed with 60 supports, 0 opposes and 2 neutrals. I hope I'll be able to live up to everyone's expectations, and thank you for trusting me! All the best, Ale_Jrb talk 20:38, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
FYI- The GA Review of Europa Barbarorum has been started and comments have been left at Talk:Europa Barbarorum/GA1. Any questions you may have can be directed there. ( Guyinblack25 talk 15:47, 22 October 2008 (UTC))
I'm sure you noticed my work on the Europa Barbarorum article, and I hope you don't mind it - I've mostly been trying to copyedit the article as best as I can and according to the GA nomination review. If you feel my changes are butchering your work, or having an adverse effect on the article, let me know and I will stop; I also have some ideas on how to improve the article, if you were thinking of bringing it higher than GA (I'm sure it can manage at least A class, if not FA). -- VPeric ( talk) 20:41, 27 October 2008 (UTC) [I would prefer if any response you might have be posted here; thanks!]
In regard to image usage- Image:Age ii feudal age celts.jpg in Age of Empires II: The Age of Kings passed WP:FAC with 800 × 600 dimensions. So if the whole of Image:EB RTW unit comparison.png was reduced to something like 1600 × 1200, then it should be fine. To be honest though, I think the preview size of 781 × 599 works well enough, and would further ensure it's within limits. You also may want to trim it down to just a single comparison. Non-free image use should be minimal, and a second comparison doesn't add too much since they are both battles that illustrate units. Hope that helps. ( Guyinblack25 talk 20:06, 29 October 2008 (UTC))
Thank you for uploading Image:RTW_Romans_Gauls.png. However, it currently is missing information on its copyright status. Wikipedia takes copyright very seriously. It may be deleted soon, unless we can determine the license and the source of the image. If you know this information, then you can add a copyright tag to the image description page.
If you have uploaded other files, consider checking that you have specified their license and tagged them, too. You can find a list of files you have uploaded by following this link.
If you have any questions, please feel free to ask them at the media copyright questions page. Thanks again for your cooperation. O sama KReply? on my talk page, please 02:47, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
Editing my edits and calling them vandalism will only help to conceal truths. Have a good day. Let the truth be known. 60.50.76.72 ( talk) 17:34, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
Thank you for protecting my talk page. Cheers! 69.234.125.74 ( talk) 18:23, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
An image created by you has been promoted to
featured picture status Your image,
Image:Byzantine Constantinople-en.png, was nominated on
Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates, gained a consensus of support, and has been promoted. If you would like to nominate an image, please do so at
Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates. Thank you for your contribution!
MER-C
07:08, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
|
Thanks for the nom! Royal broil 16:02, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
Sorry, I was just sticking to the official guidelines on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Fact
"You can also add "dummy" parameters to leave a better record for future editors. For example, the following usage might be appropriate to the arguable claim that "Humphrey Bogart is the greatest actor...":"
Not only is it official, it is also sensible. If someone wants to discuss my objection, that can go on the Talk page, but explaining exactly what is being questioned precisely where the issue comes up makes matters easier for everyone in future. 89.136.135.51 ( talk) 12:38, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
One more thing. From my empty history page, you can assume I'm a new user (I'm not, but you weren't to know). The idea of Wikipedia is all-inclusive collaboration. Unfortunately, in the last two years it has become an exclusive cult that discourages newbies. "Oh, sorry, you can't do, due to a 1999 ruling on editing stubs on Sundays - see "Wikpedia: Sunday Stubs"". Get real. My edit was within Wikipedia guidelines AND made good sense. Did it ruin anyone's day by not being where you happen to prefer comments to be made? No. So how about you encourage new editors rather than trying to get them to hop on one leg because of your ideas of how Wikipedia should work? 89.136.135.51 ( talk) 12:51, 9 November 2008 (UTC)