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Hi, I am having issues with YidisherYid again. This time it's over AJOP. Any help would be appreciated. Yossiea (talk) 20:02, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
Well, I have had to completely rework, re-write -- and Wikify this article and the nomination to delete it will now hopefully be withdrawn. AJOP is a notable and historic organization in North America that has been in existence for two decades and has gotten a lot of attention, especially as an umbrella kiruv organization. I must say that I find it hard to explain how and why an article essentially connected to the Baal teshuva movement should be the subject of such arguments and votes during the Ten Days of Repentance (Aseres Yemei HaTeshuva) and on the eve of Yom Kippur? Gut Yom Tov to everyone. IZAK 09:07, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
Well, here it is, after Yom Kippur and I read this discussion. Hard to believe. User:Yossiea deserves the utmost respect for having the strength to reconsider his nomination and he should be complimented, certainly should not be subjected to any insults or abuse. Anyhow, perhaps it is because User:Yidisheryid has discoverd that AJOP was founded by some arch-Zionists (ironically based on my major hard-earned improvements to the article) that he now wants to have it deleted. Just goes to show how being motivated by a single cause is not what Wikipedia editors should evince. It's starting to look like this is a case of WP:DISRUPT and especially WP:POINT by User:Yidisheryid. There is surely a better way of functioning. IZAK 05:08, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
To Yidisheryid: Well I am glad to see you are reading up on my history at Wikipedoa, enjoy it, I have been around for almost five years here and I have had lots of experiences, some good some not so good, and I have always learned something from them. I may have made mistakes but I have mostly never regretted my actions because I think hard and well about what I do. Instead of throwing cheap personal insults at me and at other editors (you seem to act and think like it's all one big game, why is that?) as you have done here and in Emails to me. Being "Satmar" or any other type of Chosid or even Yid (not referring to you in this case) does not equal being " Superman" and as I have long asked: why do you call yourself a "Yidisheryid" (translated as: "Jewishjew") if you are so much in love with Christian missionaries which goes against all rules of logic and religion? (And I know you will start screaming what the heck do I know and who am I to say and so on...) But that is not my point at all to get personal. Although I do not know who you are even though you keep on telling the world you are "Satmar" (can you prove it by linking to any page on the web about who you are that will confirm this?), it has nothing to do with anything as no normal users ever tell anyone who or what they are because no-one cares. Really. On Wikipedia what matters is being a good editor. In my first year on Wikipedia there were a few editors who were maliciously editing articles about Jews, Judaism and Israel and they were clearly and openly antisemites (so I wouldn't want to open that can of worms again, would you?) and in my early enthusaism to fight that evil I decided to take some action against them. I may have been over-enthusiastic and blocked (after a long case) for ten days many years ago, but at least many of those antisemites are long gone. Now there are Christian missionaries and other crank-balls who think that it is a "mitzva" to play around with and destroy pages about Judaism on Wikipedia. Every plague is different but in the end people who only wish to disrupt Wikipedia have no future here because Wikipedia has a normal environment that governs the atmosphere, otherwise I would have long gone. Are you saying you want to be treated like the antisemites who wanted me blocked? That takes things to a new level. I warn you that I am also a Chosid of bigger Rebbes than yours and that I will oppose your destructive rampages on Wikipedia. I always respect the work of all editors, Jewish, Christian or otherwise but evidently you have taken it upon yourself to go way-beyond that and attack me personally all the time and justify yourself by saying you are "Satmar-this-and-that" and whatnot. Just be honest about who you really are, I doubt that Satmar cares, I certainly don't. IZAK 07:41, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
As to the Izak's bitter motives in being so personal and below the belt, that he must talk about my Chasidus and my private life with such a unfriendly tone, declaring that he sees himself in dealing with Anti-Semites while talking to me, or his assertion that i am a Christian loving Jew, i would like to point out the obvious issue at hand it is simply put that he is hurt that somebody finely exposed his editing pattern, so he reacts wild and unruly.
He constantly accuses me of being single issue, he constantly belittles me in the talk pages that i make no sense, he reverts my edits that i am disrupting wikipedia, while its his friend Yosia who has nominated all those articles for deletion, he together with his friend Yosia accuse me of being a sock puppet, while they act obviously as puppet asking to delete all other articles and then asking to not delete since they have put some work in it. And so fourth daily new accusations on me, and he has never even bothered making his case, he just lets his friend Yosia do the dirty agitation work of reverting my every move so i should not be able to let my edit through because of the #rr limitation, and then he jumps in the fray to accuse me of what i did with Yosia, and is silent about yosia.
So everybody who looks at Izak's games, sees his so obvious maneuvering like in a very primitive Theater, we all understand his pain, and we understand that a wounded animal species is not in control while suffering in shock that his 4 years editing pattern is exposed once and for all, that's why he wont be blocked again for ten days, and now all his articles are being challenged to produce the same standards he requested 4 years of others, so he has nothing to answer those issues, he decides to go off on a personal diatribe against other users, to bumble and vent some hatred off his chest, we all hope he feels better. And we are waiting for his pain to go away and we are excited and looking forward to work with Izak on his issues. And we all wish him a Good Yom Tov together with his friend Yosia.-- יודל 12:09, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
BS"D
Und a git gebentched yor -- Shuliavrumi 19:28, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
You have mail. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 22:36, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
Hello IZAK. Can you look at the above mentioned article? I wrote it two days ago, according to the opening sgement of the Hebrew article, and nobody looked at it ever since. I guess your english is better than mine, and I'm afraid there are many mistakes in the article's English, that needs correcting. Thanks again - Pelegisrael 04:32, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
Please see and join in at: talk:Baal teshuva#Should some of this article be split into Orthodox Jewish outreach? -- Avi 14:56, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
Per discussions with Arbcom, please do not restore any of those pages. Thanks. -- Avi 13:05, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
Avi: I certainly had no intention to "restore" any such pages and I would never do so on my own. I was trying to place the {{ sockpuppet}} (see also {{ sockpuppeteer}}) tag on it which it lacked, I guess only an admin can do that. IZAK 02:57, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
Conclusion as it seems the verdict is in 3 against 1, those tags should be restored.-- יודל 13:54, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
Hello, IZAK -- Just wanted to let you know that I would have been more than happy to leave you a note re my response on Category:Jewish Orthodox anti-Zionists if it had crossed my mind that you weren't keeping a close eye on it. Naturally, I was expecting to see a reply from you, and would have thought it quite puzzling if you had nothing further to say! Regards, Cgingold 15:24, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
Re your accusation that i said i enjoy destroying your work. I would like to clarify to u that this is not true. i have never said it. And neither do i enjoy it. I hate it. And it is with great sorrow and screeching pain when i must talk with you in certain subjects that i feel need clarification.
I would like to thank you for all your answers to me, you clearly were not obligated since your group has already declared me unwelcome here. but this comes to show how far you will go for the good of wikipedia. And how far i must go to show respect for your work here.
Please feel that i have great respect and love and i do cherish every word you write here like diamonds and gold, I have nothing but holy humility towards you, the truth is my enjoyment derives only and strictly in regards for the so many thinks you have teached me, and the way u have teached me it. I understand it wasn't easy for you, but know that i would never do something that can affect my positive attitude towards you, yes i would sacrifice everything to learn from you, and it is unfortunate i was blocked in this process, but i have used great caution not to redo my mistake i hope i will succeed further. Nothing will come in the way to somehow minimize my respect and love for you, please feel that i consider your contribution here for Jewish related subjects the most valuable phenomena happening in the history of wikipedia.
A Good Yom Tov.-- יודל 16:33, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
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I noticed you are the most recent editor of the portal. I wonder if it might be a good idea to update it, seeing that the High Holidays and Sukkot are over. If you would like help, I'm offering.... Egfrank 22:57, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
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I didn't at all mean to imply that Yeshiva people are one dimensional. My apologies if my edits came across that way. Adding the word "primary" was a good call. Kol tuv, Egfrank 06:24, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
Hi - I'm glad you weren't attributing it to me, but I was still the editor responsible. I just made a small change to one of your edits with a comment on the talk page. Your edit triggered it, but as with your edits of me, it isn't directed at you. The comment deals with the language we use to describe reliable sources. There seem to be a number of places where editors have used the phrase "reliable Torah sources". In some cases, it seems simply to be an attempt to define "what's Jewish" and no one would object to a more neutral definition using secular terminology. In other cases, I wonder if the author really wants Wikipedia to focus on "the Truth" and wants to protect the reader from being mislead. Your two cents (on the Manual of Style talk page) would be appreciated. Egfrank 08:37, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
I've added some words that I hope will be more inclusive. Your comments welcome again, Egfrank 13:29, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
You are supposed to write up the case before adding the template to the page. I didn't do anything wrong. Just questioning the AFD because it had no case info. -- Ghostexorcist 12:03, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
Hi Ghostexorcist: I appreciate your help with the notification on the martial arts project page. If I ever run across this kind of situation again I will keep it in mind. IZAK 08:25, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
Thank you for asking the delation, I weel keep a look on it. If en:wikipedia decide to keep this kind of ... well not really good for credibility. It's amazing that nodoby asked for delation before, the article is on wikipedia since november 2006... Regards-- Kimdime69 13:59, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
Hi, I think you should add the delation page in
Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Israel cause maybe Israelis have more information about this martial art witch is taught in this country --
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It was not a prod. It was a valid CSDA7 speedy deletion: The article ASSERTED no notability, and furthermore still has no sources. Secondly, I do not need to clear any deletions about Judaism related articles with any wikiproject. To think I need to do so is absurd. And to assume that I don't know much about judaism (I am jewish), is rather ignorant. ⇒ SWATJester Denny Crane. 16:48, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
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please see the discussion here: [9]. Jaakobou Chalk Talk 21:07, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
Dear Rabbi, i do respect very much every action u do, so please explain to me why you took out this campaign from Jewish Outreach? aren't Jews obligated to see that the world should abide by this seven laws? I know that some poskim only see this as halacha while we are on our own land, but if Jewish aliyah is Jewish Outreach this is then again valid because of the land, and Tikun oilem is not an orthodox thing so why include this in the orthodox outreach? with respect and honor your student.-- יודל 21:50, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
Hi Yidisheryid: I did not take Noahide Campaign out of "Jewish outreach" (and I fully agree with you that it is part of Jewish outreach too keep the Seven Laws of Noah, just extending it to gentiles.) You seem to have been confused by my re-organization of the {{ JewishOutreach}} template in which I created a new disambiguation page Orthodox Judaism outreach (disambiguation) because a number of the articles you put into it were part of Orthodox Judaism outreach, and if you will click on "Orthodox Jewish outreach" on the template you will see that it now clicks to Orthodox Judaism outreach (disambiguation) and it is on that page that Noahide Campaign is listed as a sub-article of Haredi Jewish outreach (actually it's essentially a sub-article of Chabad outreach article which you created), since it is the Haredim, especially Lubavitch and a few non-Lubavitch Haredi rabbis who are still involed with publicising this in the hope of reaching out to gentiles. For some reason the late Lubavitcher Rebbe did make this outreach mivtsa very well-known but then he backed away from fully implementing it, and I am not sure why (maybe it's because there are still too many Jews to reach out to), but it is still definitely "officially on" --there are quite a number of good books, articles and websites about it -- and gets mentioned but not pushed as much as it deserves. It is also a real happening because Noahides are real group today, especially in America, and they are inspired and take their guidance only from Orthodox rabbis. Finally, it is much different to Aliyah, which is an entirely different notion and acticitivty involving the motivation and transportation of Jews from all over the world to their Biblical homeland in the Land of Israel (Eretz Yisroel) and that place happens to now be the modern State of Israel. Hope this clarification helps. 04:46, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
Hi Yidisheryid: Just one word of advice, it sounds to me that you are about to waste your time because the end result will be a violation of WP:NOR which is a toughy. Remember, the point is not to prove that every form of "niceness" in the human race is part of the 7 Noahide Laws, because that would be ridiculous. You have to be more focused here, and see what the Seven Noahide laws really are Torah laws which makes them Godly laws according to Orthodox Judaism, and not just a PR campaign by a talk show host to show off to the world that he's a "nice guy" since he says don't hunt dolphins or polar bears. Don't mix up the subjects. There is an expression, "chalk and cheese" meaning that there are huge differences between the way Orthodox Torah Jews would define what a true Noahide needs to do and the difference with what a Liberal Humanist would say is "nice" to do or not do. OK, then, enjoy. IZAK 11:33, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
Hi Yidisheryid: Now you surprise me. First you were arguing the case that Reform Judaism is preaching to mekarev gentiles to become Noahides, which is just not true because the Reform has long-ago redefined the word "outreach" to reach out to the gentile shiksas and gentiles that their members have married (and they claim that they would like to bring any gentiles to become Reform Jews to "make up" for the numbers being lost through assimilation and for those Jews that died in the Holocaust.) That is what they are saying, not me. That is why they need to be, and they are, in a different article Reform Judaism outreach, about what they call "Jewish outreach" which for the Orthodox is not acceptable. Now, as for Rav Miller and Rabbi Levin, I agree with what you say about them 101% -- but why are you bringing this in now because it only supports my point, that the campaign to educate the gentiles about the importance of the 7 Noahide laws basically comes only from Orthodox rabbis and you are just proving my argument. Rav Miller was one of the greatest men of Haredi Judaism in America, no question about it. I respect him too much and I enjoy his jokes a lot too! I am indirectly one of his students but that is another long story and I will not go into it as it has nothing to do with anything. About Rabbi Levin I know that he has tried to do a lot of good, but he is not on the same level of Rav Miller. But how can you compare Rav Miller with the Lubavitcher Rebbe? (And by the way, Rav Miller never criticised Lubavitch in his days, if you know.) You know, there is an expression in business that "When Wall Street sneezes, the world catches a cold" and that was the Lubavicher Rebbe in Judiams, he was so powerful as a world leader of Orthodox Jewry that when he launched a campaign it was heard around the world and nobody could ignore it or forget it, until today. No rabbi in modern times has had his influence or name-recognition around the world. People thought that he was the "only" rabbi of the Jews. So even though Rabbi Miller was truly great, but he does not compare to the Lubavitcher Rebbe's power around the world. Rav Miller was a humble Litvak who minded his own business. He loved to learn "Teira" and encourged other Jews to do the same, but he was not an international mover-and-shaker like the Lubavitcher Rebbe. Yes, Rav Miller tried to get people to make demonstrations against Mayor Koch and Gov. Koo-omo as he called him, but this was like pin-pricks compared to when the Rebbe got going in 770 and started to huff-and-puff. So when he started announcing and pushing the mivtsa of "sheevo mitzvois benei noi-ach" a lot of people started listening and even though he did not follow-through with it, in fact he started an opposite mivtza to fight the opinion of the rabbanut and he held that the Falashas from Ethiopia were outright goyim who would need total conversions and not micky-mouse heterim to say that they are somehow Jews from shevet Dan or some cockamamy idea like that and the Lubavitchers are still not interested in the Falashas and the Falashas hate the Lubavitchers because the Rebbe just wrote them off. Anyhow, maybe because the Rebbe saw that it was too complicated that he backed away, but the first PR remained and the fire was lit and the door remained open for genuine Bnai Noach, especially in the USA to get recognition. Personally, I am acquanted with some Bnai Noach and let me tell you they are amazing people, they study Torah and some of them are geniuses and truly "frum" gentiles. It's actuially amazing, but most frum people don't know about this stuff, just like they don't know about real kiruv, just the fairy stories they read in the Jewish Observer or some such propaganda articles. IZAK 13:11, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
Firstly please do not threaten me. It is criminal. That is not nice. I did not threaten you. You know, you are truly amazing. On the one hand you agree to have open discussions and you sound friendly and make lots of kind apologies and then on the other hand you mix up what I am saying and you make false accusations against me when I am discussing topics with you. Where did I smear Shmuley Boteach? I said that the Lubavitchers kicked him out of Lubavitch because he invited gentiles to his Lechaim Club in Oxford University, and I said that they have also now disowned Matisyahu the singer because he was not being strict enough about his audiences. This is all on record, these are not my creations. I happen to respect both Shmuley Boteach and Matisyahu for all their efforts. Then you state things like "most gentiles who live by the 7 basic laws, are not Christians they may believe in Jesus as a partner or son as long as they do not really pray for him but for the general concept of the Jewish g-d from the bible they are excepted as Bnei Noach" which is totally mixed up because if a gentile prays to or believes in Jesus "as a partner or son...of the Jewish g-d" then he is 300% a Christian and therefore there is absolutely no way to psychoanalyse such gentiles as to what is going on inside their brains since if they go into a Church where there is Christain Cross to Jesus and they bow down to it then no matter what you say and scream, they are pure Christians and they are definitely NOT Bnei Noach by a long-long way. Your tirade about Rabbi Yehuda Levin is just marvelous, and I will not reply to it, but why don't you give the same mercy to Lesbians that you give to Christians who believe in Jesus? After all, lesbians are also humans. Many millions if not billions of women in history have at one time or another been lesbians, so does that mean that they deserve to be cursed the way you do now? Jewish law does not punish lesbians the same way it would punish male homosexuals. You are expressing yourself too harshly. Why don't you use your own logic here, that maybe even though they are lesbians they are also Bnai Noach and they don't worship other gods, only kiss and hug another lady, and that maybe you should respect their humanity as well as part of the "humanism" that you are now preaching? Listen, Judaism does not condone Lesbians, in the same way Judaism does not condone people who believe in Jesus. Just get over it and accept it. Every time the topic of Jesus comes up you make excuses of how a Jew can believe in him and still be a Jew, that sounds like the Jewish Christians plain and simple, and personally I have no problem with people having the right to believe whatever they want, it's a free country, but do NOT call it a part of "Judaism" in any way and DO NOT say that it can fit with being a Ben Noach because it is just NOT true. As for Rabbi Levin I wish you would not make it sound that I have anything against him. I wish him well and I hope he succeeds with his missions. I just do not hear about him, in fact I never hear about him and I read more than just Jewish newspapers. Oh, and thanks for the compliment, if I sound like a "Yoily" does that mean that I am officially now a Chusid of HaRav Yoel Teitelbaum? You speak in so many different directions that it's hard to know who is speaking at any time. But as we have both agreed, let's stop this discussion for now and get on with the business of improving Wikipedia. IZAK 15:10, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
YY: Let's leave Christians and Lesbians out of the discussions. I also have no problems with Rabbi Levin, so let's leave him out of it too. I have made my point and you have made yours. Now as far as the citations you want for Shmuley Boteach and Matisyahu the following news-reports were published very recently, here they are:
There are more citations and reports like this, but this shows that I am not making things up and that they are in the media for the whole world to read and understand what is going on. And now you have called me a "Yoily" twice, that must must be a record on Wikipedia. What happens if you call me that a third time, I grow rabbit's ears and dance the hora backwards? Cheers. IZAK 15:42, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
You don't seem to get it do you. It is you now that is trying to "Wikilawyer" his way out of facts, but you are not succeeding. In Halachah there is a principal of hoda'as ba'al din ke'mei'ah eidim dami ("the admission of the guilty party is like the testimony of a hundred witnesses") which is what self-incrimination means, especially if it's true. So just read and re-read the links I gave you, they tell a lot. How can you claim that Shmuley Boteach and Matisyau say that they are "bigger and different then Chabad" when that is not what the articles are saying? You are making it sound that they are saying what sounds like the argument of Ann Coulter who believes that Christians are "perfected Jews" (have you read what she said a few days ago, see this [11].) By the way, real rabbis don't "dictate" -- a very bad word -- so that if you feel your rabbis are dictators, it's time to switch and get better ones. Farewell. IZAK 16:14, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
Ok, I can respect that very much. And I did not accuse anyone of forsaking their rabbis, just that they fell out with the movement for whatever reasons. These kinds of things are usually very complicated and do not happen for one or two simple reasons. So again, I very much respect what you say. IZAK 16:26, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
Please respond in email thanks.-- יודל 16:12, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
I've replied to you at the Yaakov Neuburger AfD. If you have a problem with my edits, please don't bury your complaint in an AfD page, but bring it to my talk page, where I'm guaranteed to see it, and, if appropriate, correct myself and apologise, things I have a good track record of doing. -- Dweller 13:37, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
Please. Start taking other editors seriously and stop making pointless and baseless accusations. Your repeated attempts at steering the debate over the notability of an individual rabbi into a religious debate and imply that other editors are somehow biased against him because he is a Jewish Orthodox are, at best, misguided.
I, and other editors, dispute the inclusion of the article because not a single reliable source has been put forth to establish his notability, not because of his ethnic or religious background. Period.
I think you're starting to take this personally, which is always a mistake, and you need to step back and take a deep breath. If you can provide a reliable source to meet the guidelines, I will look at it and reconsider my position, and we can safely presume the other editors also will.
No amount of posturing, repeating how "obviously notable" rabbi Adlerstein is, increasing aggressiveness or more-or-less veiled accusations of bias/antisemitism will.
Shalom. — Coren (talk) 15:27, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
P.S.: As an aside, demanding that people clear AfD or edits with a Wikiproject is extremely inappropriate and will not make you friends. — Coren (talk) 15:27, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
Shalom. I'd like you please to consider switching your deletion notice from the former to the latter.
Also, how come this is not explicitly also mention by you for deletion? It should be deleted- it now polutes the English language with Polish hateful nonesense. Best, -- Ludvikus 12:47, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
We are probably on the same side - but disagree about what is best.
I am certainly assuming good faith, but Wikipedia is not the place to "saturate" the world with duplicate information. 13 articles about the same book is ridiculous. IZAK 15:22, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
M ass filling of deletion requests is not advised. If you want to delete Zydokomuna article, file a proper AfD/Zydokomuna request.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk 17:15, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
It's not clear to me what your position is on the above Polish version of the Antisemitic garbage known as Jewish Bolshevism. Where do you stand on that? Yours truly, -- Ludvikus 21:09, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
There is the above word which is apparently used to advise someone against transgressions. You've made repeated accusations against me, but you have failed to be sufficiently specific so that I could defend myself. That is extremely unfair of you. I do not find your general references at all helpful. If you wish that someone change their conduct for the better, then you have the obligation to tell that person exactly what it is (s)he did wrong. That is also the decent thing to do. Furthermore, you should bare in mind that I'm writing about something which is also known as the Warrant for Genocide. A billion (rather infinite) 4 - letter words cannot possibly be equivalent to that filth, and the damage and pain, which it has caused the Jewish people. In anticipation of one thing I imagine you might say, my response is "if you can't take the heat, then stay out of the kitchen." Peace/Shalom, Yours truly, -- Ludvikus 21:23, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
If you wish to help cleanup Wikipedia of Antisemitic trash, I suggest you look carefully at the above. I've been spending currently a substantial amount of time to have it deleted as OR and Un-notable. In fact, it's an excuse to have an antisemitic poster/image of "monster" "Jewish" Trotsky. I do not know - yet - where you are coming from. But I hope to learn soon. Yours truly, -- Ludvikus 21:33, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
Here's a sample of the Red Scare (1920) "scholarly" source used in the above article:
Socialism has made terrible inroads among the Jews. To give one example, " The Forward," a Yiddish daily of New York City, has a circulation of about 150,000 copies. This paper should be watched very carefully by the government, for it has been doing some very dangerous work in the line of revolutionary propaganda without English-speaking people being aware of the doctrines it is advocating.
The real purpose of the article there is an excuse to post the antisemitic image I'm showing you here. The subtext of article connext the murdering "Chinese" under the control of the "Jew" Trotsky. I wonder if you will understand what I mean.
Yours truly, -- Ludvikus 21:38, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
You're charge is baseless, User IZAK. I expect you to know what "obscenities," "vulgarities," and "four letter words" are. Your reckless accusation that I do that is itself a violation of Wikipedia policy. Please retract you baseless charge that you have made there, on that other Talk page. Yours truly, -- Ludvikus 05:58, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
Hi El C: Unfortunately, there is a user Ludvikus ( talk · contribs) who is tampering with the formatting of a nomination page [17]. See the wildness of what he is doing at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Protocols of Zion (imprints). He is inserting and changing the original formatting and even the wording, totally unheard of. Please take a look at it. Thanks a lot. IZAK 15:11, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
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Hi, I am having issues with YidisherYid again. This time it's over AJOP. Any help would be appreciated. Yossiea (talk) 20:02, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
Well, I have had to completely rework, re-write -- and Wikify this article and the nomination to delete it will now hopefully be withdrawn. AJOP is a notable and historic organization in North America that has been in existence for two decades and has gotten a lot of attention, especially as an umbrella kiruv organization. I must say that I find it hard to explain how and why an article essentially connected to the Baal teshuva movement should be the subject of such arguments and votes during the Ten Days of Repentance (Aseres Yemei HaTeshuva) and on the eve of Yom Kippur? Gut Yom Tov to everyone. IZAK 09:07, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
Well, here it is, after Yom Kippur and I read this discussion. Hard to believe. User:Yossiea deserves the utmost respect for having the strength to reconsider his nomination and he should be complimented, certainly should not be subjected to any insults or abuse. Anyhow, perhaps it is because User:Yidisheryid has discoverd that AJOP was founded by some arch-Zionists (ironically based on my major hard-earned improvements to the article) that he now wants to have it deleted. Just goes to show how being motivated by a single cause is not what Wikipedia editors should evince. It's starting to look like this is a case of WP:DISRUPT and especially WP:POINT by User:Yidisheryid. There is surely a better way of functioning. IZAK 05:08, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
To Yidisheryid: Well I am glad to see you are reading up on my history at Wikipedoa, enjoy it, I have been around for almost five years here and I have had lots of experiences, some good some not so good, and I have always learned something from them. I may have made mistakes but I have mostly never regretted my actions because I think hard and well about what I do. Instead of throwing cheap personal insults at me and at other editors (you seem to act and think like it's all one big game, why is that?) as you have done here and in Emails to me. Being "Satmar" or any other type of Chosid or even Yid (not referring to you in this case) does not equal being " Superman" and as I have long asked: why do you call yourself a "Yidisheryid" (translated as: "Jewishjew") if you are so much in love with Christian missionaries which goes against all rules of logic and religion? (And I know you will start screaming what the heck do I know and who am I to say and so on...) But that is not my point at all to get personal. Although I do not know who you are even though you keep on telling the world you are "Satmar" (can you prove it by linking to any page on the web about who you are that will confirm this?), it has nothing to do with anything as no normal users ever tell anyone who or what they are because no-one cares. Really. On Wikipedia what matters is being a good editor. In my first year on Wikipedia there were a few editors who were maliciously editing articles about Jews, Judaism and Israel and they were clearly and openly antisemites (so I wouldn't want to open that can of worms again, would you?) and in my early enthusaism to fight that evil I decided to take some action against them. I may have been over-enthusiastic and blocked (after a long case) for ten days many years ago, but at least many of those antisemites are long gone. Now there are Christian missionaries and other crank-balls who think that it is a "mitzva" to play around with and destroy pages about Judaism on Wikipedia. Every plague is different but in the end people who only wish to disrupt Wikipedia have no future here because Wikipedia has a normal environment that governs the atmosphere, otherwise I would have long gone. Are you saying you want to be treated like the antisemites who wanted me blocked? That takes things to a new level. I warn you that I am also a Chosid of bigger Rebbes than yours and that I will oppose your destructive rampages on Wikipedia. I always respect the work of all editors, Jewish, Christian or otherwise but evidently you have taken it upon yourself to go way-beyond that and attack me personally all the time and justify yourself by saying you are "Satmar-this-and-that" and whatnot. Just be honest about who you really are, I doubt that Satmar cares, I certainly don't. IZAK 07:41, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
As to the Izak's bitter motives in being so personal and below the belt, that he must talk about my Chasidus and my private life with such a unfriendly tone, declaring that he sees himself in dealing with Anti-Semites while talking to me, or his assertion that i am a Christian loving Jew, i would like to point out the obvious issue at hand it is simply put that he is hurt that somebody finely exposed his editing pattern, so he reacts wild and unruly.
He constantly accuses me of being single issue, he constantly belittles me in the talk pages that i make no sense, he reverts my edits that i am disrupting wikipedia, while its his friend Yosia who has nominated all those articles for deletion, he together with his friend Yosia accuse me of being a sock puppet, while they act obviously as puppet asking to delete all other articles and then asking to not delete since they have put some work in it. And so fourth daily new accusations on me, and he has never even bothered making his case, he just lets his friend Yosia do the dirty agitation work of reverting my every move so i should not be able to let my edit through because of the #rr limitation, and then he jumps in the fray to accuse me of what i did with Yosia, and is silent about yosia.
So everybody who looks at Izak's games, sees his so obvious maneuvering like in a very primitive Theater, we all understand his pain, and we understand that a wounded animal species is not in control while suffering in shock that his 4 years editing pattern is exposed once and for all, that's why he wont be blocked again for ten days, and now all his articles are being challenged to produce the same standards he requested 4 years of others, so he has nothing to answer those issues, he decides to go off on a personal diatribe against other users, to bumble and vent some hatred off his chest, we all hope he feels better. And we are waiting for his pain to go away and we are excited and looking forward to work with Izak on his issues. And we all wish him a Good Yom Tov together with his friend Yosia.-- יודל 12:09, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
BS"D
Und a git gebentched yor -- Shuliavrumi 19:28, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
You have mail. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 22:36, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
Hello IZAK. Can you look at the above mentioned article? I wrote it two days ago, according to the opening sgement of the Hebrew article, and nobody looked at it ever since. I guess your english is better than mine, and I'm afraid there are many mistakes in the article's English, that needs correcting. Thanks again - Pelegisrael 04:32, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
Please see and join in at: talk:Baal teshuva#Should some of this article be split into Orthodox Jewish outreach? -- Avi 14:56, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
Per discussions with Arbcom, please do not restore any of those pages. Thanks. -- Avi 13:05, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
Avi: I certainly had no intention to "restore" any such pages and I would never do so on my own. I was trying to place the {{ sockpuppet}} (see also {{ sockpuppeteer}}) tag on it which it lacked, I guess only an admin can do that. IZAK 02:57, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
Conclusion as it seems the verdict is in 3 against 1, those tags should be restored.-- יודל 13:54, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
Hello, IZAK -- Just wanted to let you know that I would have been more than happy to leave you a note re my response on Category:Jewish Orthodox anti-Zionists if it had crossed my mind that you weren't keeping a close eye on it. Naturally, I was expecting to see a reply from you, and would have thought it quite puzzling if you had nothing further to say! Regards, Cgingold 15:24, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
Re your accusation that i said i enjoy destroying your work. I would like to clarify to u that this is not true. i have never said it. And neither do i enjoy it. I hate it. And it is with great sorrow and screeching pain when i must talk with you in certain subjects that i feel need clarification.
I would like to thank you for all your answers to me, you clearly were not obligated since your group has already declared me unwelcome here. but this comes to show how far you will go for the good of wikipedia. And how far i must go to show respect for your work here.
Please feel that i have great respect and love and i do cherish every word you write here like diamonds and gold, I have nothing but holy humility towards you, the truth is my enjoyment derives only and strictly in regards for the so many thinks you have teached me, and the way u have teached me it. I understand it wasn't easy for you, but know that i would never do something that can affect my positive attitude towards you, yes i would sacrifice everything to learn from you, and it is unfortunate i was blocked in this process, but i have used great caution not to redo my mistake i hope i will succeed further. Nothing will come in the way to somehow minimize my respect and love for you, please feel that i consider your contribution here for Jewish related subjects the most valuable phenomena happening in the history of wikipedia.
A Good Yom Tov.-- יודל 16:33, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
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I didn't at all mean to imply that Yeshiva people are one dimensional. My apologies if my edits came across that way. Adding the word "primary" was a good call. Kol tuv, Egfrank 06:24, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
Hi - I'm glad you weren't attributing it to me, but I was still the editor responsible. I just made a small change to one of your edits with a comment on the talk page. Your edit triggered it, but as with your edits of me, it isn't directed at you. The comment deals with the language we use to describe reliable sources. There seem to be a number of places where editors have used the phrase "reliable Torah sources". In some cases, it seems simply to be an attempt to define "what's Jewish" and no one would object to a more neutral definition using secular terminology. In other cases, I wonder if the author really wants Wikipedia to focus on "the Truth" and wants to protect the reader from being mislead. Your two cents (on the Manual of Style talk page) would be appreciated. Egfrank 08:37, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
I've added some words that I hope will be more inclusive. Your comments welcome again, Egfrank 13:29, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
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Hi Ghostexorcist: I appreciate your help with the notification on the martial arts project page. If I ever run across this kind of situation again I will keep it in mind. IZAK 08:25, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
Thank you for asking the delation, I weel keep a look on it. If en:wikipedia decide to keep this kind of ... well not really good for credibility. It's amazing that nodoby asked for delation before, the article is on wikipedia since november 2006... Regards-- Kimdime69 13:59, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
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Dear Rabbi, i do respect very much every action u do, so please explain to me why you took out this campaign from Jewish Outreach? aren't Jews obligated to see that the world should abide by this seven laws? I know that some poskim only see this as halacha while we are on our own land, but if Jewish aliyah is Jewish Outreach this is then again valid because of the land, and Tikun oilem is not an orthodox thing so why include this in the orthodox outreach? with respect and honor your student.-- יודל 21:50, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
Hi Yidisheryid: I did not take Noahide Campaign out of "Jewish outreach" (and I fully agree with you that it is part of Jewish outreach too keep the Seven Laws of Noah, just extending it to gentiles.) You seem to have been confused by my re-organization of the {{ JewishOutreach}} template in which I created a new disambiguation page Orthodox Judaism outreach (disambiguation) because a number of the articles you put into it were part of Orthodox Judaism outreach, and if you will click on "Orthodox Jewish outreach" on the template you will see that it now clicks to Orthodox Judaism outreach (disambiguation) and it is on that page that Noahide Campaign is listed as a sub-article of Haredi Jewish outreach (actually it's essentially a sub-article of Chabad outreach article which you created), since it is the Haredim, especially Lubavitch and a few non-Lubavitch Haredi rabbis who are still involed with publicising this in the hope of reaching out to gentiles. For some reason the late Lubavitcher Rebbe did make this outreach mivtsa very well-known but then he backed away from fully implementing it, and I am not sure why (maybe it's because there are still too many Jews to reach out to), but it is still definitely "officially on" --there are quite a number of good books, articles and websites about it -- and gets mentioned but not pushed as much as it deserves. It is also a real happening because Noahides are real group today, especially in America, and they are inspired and take their guidance only from Orthodox rabbis. Finally, it is much different to Aliyah, which is an entirely different notion and acticitivty involving the motivation and transportation of Jews from all over the world to their Biblical homeland in the Land of Israel (Eretz Yisroel) and that place happens to now be the modern State of Israel. Hope this clarification helps. 04:46, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
Hi Yidisheryid: Just one word of advice, it sounds to me that you are about to waste your time because the end result will be a violation of WP:NOR which is a toughy. Remember, the point is not to prove that every form of "niceness" in the human race is part of the 7 Noahide Laws, because that would be ridiculous. You have to be more focused here, and see what the Seven Noahide laws really are Torah laws which makes them Godly laws according to Orthodox Judaism, and not just a PR campaign by a talk show host to show off to the world that he's a "nice guy" since he says don't hunt dolphins or polar bears. Don't mix up the subjects. There is an expression, "chalk and cheese" meaning that there are huge differences between the way Orthodox Torah Jews would define what a true Noahide needs to do and the difference with what a Liberal Humanist would say is "nice" to do or not do. OK, then, enjoy. IZAK 11:33, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
Hi Yidisheryid: Now you surprise me. First you were arguing the case that Reform Judaism is preaching to mekarev gentiles to become Noahides, which is just not true because the Reform has long-ago redefined the word "outreach" to reach out to the gentile shiksas and gentiles that their members have married (and they claim that they would like to bring any gentiles to become Reform Jews to "make up" for the numbers being lost through assimilation and for those Jews that died in the Holocaust.) That is what they are saying, not me. That is why they need to be, and they are, in a different article Reform Judaism outreach, about what they call "Jewish outreach" which for the Orthodox is not acceptable. Now, as for Rav Miller and Rabbi Levin, I agree with what you say about them 101% -- but why are you bringing this in now because it only supports my point, that the campaign to educate the gentiles about the importance of the 7 Noahide laws basically comes only from Orthodox rabbis and you are just proving my argument. Rav Miller was one of the greatest men of Haredi Judaism in America, no question about it. I respect him too much and I enjoy his jokes a lot too! I am indirectly one of his students but that is another long story and I will not go into it as it has nothing to do with anything. About Rabbi Levin I know that he has tried to do a lot of good, but he is not on the same level of Rav Miller. But how can you compare Rav Miller with the Lubavitcher Rebbe? (And by the way, Rav Miller never criticised Lubavitch in his days, if you know.) You know, there is an expression in business that "When Wall Street sneezes, the world catches a cold" and that was the Lubavicher Rebbe in Judiams, he was so powerful as a world leader of Orthodox Jewry that when he launched a campaign it was heard around the world and nobody could ignore it or forget it, until today. No rabbi in modern times has had his influence or name-recognition around the world. People thought that he was the "only" rabbi of the Jews. So even though Rabbi Miller was truly great, but he does not compare to the Lubavitcher Rebbe's power around the world. Rav Miller was a humble Litvak who minded his own business. He loved to learn "Teira" and encourged other Jews to do the same, but he was not an international mover-and-shaker like the Lubavitcher Rebbe. Yes, Rav Miller tried to get people to make demonstrations against Mayor Koch and Gov. Koo-omo as he called him, but this was like pin-pricks compared to when the Rebbe got going in 770 and started to huff-and-puff. So when he started announcing and pushing the mivtsa of "sheevo mitzvois benei noi-ach" a lot of people started listening and even though he did not follow-through with it, in fact he started an opposite mivtza to fight the opinion of the rabbanut and he held that the Falashas from Ethiopia were outright goyim who would need total conversions and not micky-mouse heterim to say that they are somehow Jews from shevet Dan or some cockamamy idea like that and the Lubavitchers are still not interested in the Falashas and the Falashas hate the Lubavitchers because the Rebbe just wrote them off. Anyhow, maybe because the Rebbe saw that it was too complicated that he backed away, but the first PR remained and the fire was lit and the door remained open for genuine Bnai Noach, especially in the USA to get recognition. Personally, I am acquanted with some Bnai Noach and let me tell you they are amazing people, they study Torah and some of them are geniuses and truly "frum" gentiles. It's actuially amazing, but most frum people don't know about this stuff, just like they don't know about real kiruv, just the fairy stories they read in the Jewish Observer or some such propaganda articles. IZAK 13:11, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
Firstly please do not threaten me. It is criminal. That is not nice. I did not threaten you. You know, you are truly amazing. On the one hand you agree to have open discussions and you sound friendly and make lots of kind apologies and then on the other hand you mix up what I am saying and you make false accusations against me when I am discussing topics with you. Where did I smear Shmuley Boteach? I said that the Lubavitchers kicked him out of Lubavitch because he invited gentiles to his Lechaim Club in Oxford University, and I said that they have also now disowned Matisyahu the singer because he was not being strict enough about his audiences. This is all on record, these are not my creations. I happen to respect both Shmuley Boteach and Matisyahu for all their efforts. Then you state things like "most gentiles who live by the 7 basic laws, are not Christians they may believe in Jesus as a partner or son as long as they do not really pray for him but for the general concept of the Jewish g-d from the bible they are excepted as Bnei Noach" which is totally mixed up because if a gentile prays to or believes in Jesus "as a partner or son...of the Jewish g-d" then he is 300% a Christian and therefore there is absolutely no way to psychoanalyse such gentiles as to what is going on inside their brains since if they go into a Church where there is Christain Cross to Jesus and they bow down to it then no matter what you say and scream, they are pure Christians and they are definitely NOT Bnei Noach by a long-long way. Your tirade about Rabbi Yehuda Levin is just marvelous, and I will not reply to it, but why don't you give the same mercy to Lesbians that you give to Christians who believe in Jesus? After all, lesbians are also humans. Many millions if not billions of women in history have at one time or another been lesbians, so does that mean that they deserve to be cursed the way you do now? Jewish law does not punish lesbians the same way it would punish male homosexuals. You are expressing yourself too harshly. Why don't you use your own logic here, that maybe even though they are lesbians they are also Bnai Noach and they don't worship other gods, only kiss and hug another lady, and that maybe you should respect their humanity as well as part of the "humanism" that you are now preaching? Listen, Judaism does not condone Lesbians, in the same way Judaism does not condone people who believe in Jesus. Just get over it and accept it. Every time the topic of Jesus comes up you make excuses of how a Jew can believe in him and still be a Jew, that sounds like the Jewish Christians plain and simple, and personally I have no problem with people having the right to believe whatever they want, it's a free country, but do NOT call it a part of "Judaism" in any way and DO NOT say that it can fit with being a Ben Noach because it is just NOT true. As for Rabbi Levin I wish you would not make it sound that I have anything against him. I wish him well and I hope he succeeds with his missions. I just do not hear about him, in fact I never hear about him and I read more than just Jewish newspapers. Oh, and thanks for the compliment, if I sound like a "Yoily" does that mean that I am officially now a Chusid of HaRav Yoel Teitelbaum? You speak in so many different directions that it's hard to know who is speaking at any time. But as we have both agreed, let's stop this discussion for now and get on with the business of improving Wikipedia. IZAK 15:10, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
YY: Let's leave Christians and Lesbians out of the discussions. I also have no problems with Rabbi Levin, so let's leave him out of it too. I have made my point and you have made yours. Now as far as the citations you want for Shmuley Boteach and Matisyahu the following news-reports were published very recently, here they are:
There are more citations and reports like this, but this shows that I am not making things up and that they are in the media for the whole world to read and understand what is going on. And now you have called me a "Yoily" twice, that must must be a record on Wikipedia. What happens if you call me that a third time, I grow rabbit's ears and dance the hora backwards? Cheers. IZAK 15:42, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
You don't seem to get it do you. It is you now that is trying to "Wikilawyer" his way out of facts, but you are not succeeding. In Halachah there is a principal of hoda'as ba'al din ke'mei'ah eidim dami ("the admission of the guilty party is like the testimony of a hundred witnesses") which is what self-incrimination means, especially if it's true. So just read and re-read the links I gave you, they tell a lot. How can you claim that Shmuley Boteach and Matisyau say that they are "bigger and different then Chabad" when that is not what the articles are saying? You are making it sound that they are saying what sounds like the argument of Ann Coulter who believes that Christians are "perfected Jews" (have you read what she said a few days ago, see this [11].) By the way, real rabbis don't "dictate" -- a very bad word -- so that if you feel your rabbis are dictators, it's time to switch and get better ones. Farewell. IZAK 16:14, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
Ok, I can respect that very much. And I did not accuse anyone of forsaking their rabbis, just that they fell out with the movement for whatever reasons. These kinds of things are usually very complicated and do not happen for one or two simple reasons. So again, I very much respect what you say. IZAK 16:26, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
Please respond in email thanks.-- יודל 16:12, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
I've replied to you at the Yaakov Neuburger AfD. If you have a problem with my edits, please don't bury your complaint in an AfD page, but bring it to my talk page, where I'm guaranteed to see it, and, if appropriate, correct myself and apologise, things I have a good track record of doing. -- Dweller 13:37, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
Please. Start taking other editors seriously and stop making pointless and baseless accusations. Your repeated attempts at steering the debate over the notability of an individual rabbi into a religious debate and imply that other editors are somehow biased against him because he is a Jewish Orthodox are, at best, misguided.
I, and other editors, dispute the inclusion of the article because not a single reliable source has been put forth to establish his notability, not because of his ethnic or religious background. Period.
I think you're starting to take this personally, which is always a mistake, and you need to step back and take a deep breath. If you can provide a reliable source to meet the guidelines, I will look at it and reconsider my position, and we can safely presume the other editors also will.
No amount of posturing, repeating how "obviously notable" rabbi Adlerstein is, increasing aggressiveness or more-or-less veiled accusations of bias/antisemitism will.
Shalom. — Coren (talk) 15:27, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
P.S.: As an aside, demanding that people clear AfD or edits with a Wikiproject is extremely inappropriate and will not make you friends. — Coren (talk) 15:27, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
Shalom. I'd like you please to consider switching your deletion notice from the former to the latter.
Also, how come this is not explicitly also mention by you for deletion? It should be deleted- it now polutes the English language with Polish hateful nonesense. Best, -- Ludvikus 12:47, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
We are probably on the same side - but disagree about what is best.
I am certainly assuming good faith, but Wikipedia is not the place to "saturate" the world with duplicate information. 13 articles about the same book is ridiculous. IZAK 15:22, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
M ass filling of deletion requests is not advised. If you want to delete Zydokomuna article, file a proper AfD/Zydokomuna request.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk 17:15, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
It's not clear to me what your position is on the above Polish version of the Antisemitic garbage known as Jewish Bolshevism. Where do you stand on that? Yours truly, -- Ludvikus 21:09, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
There is the above word which is apparently used to advise someone against transgressions. You've made repeated accusations against me, but you have failed to be sufficiently specific so that I could defend myself. That is extremely unfair of you. I do not find your general references at all helpful. If you wish that someone change their conduct for the better, then you have the obligation to tell that person exactly what it is (s)he did wrong. That is also the decent thing to do. Furthermore, you should bare in mind that I'm writing about something which is also known as the Warrant for Genocide. A billion (rather infinite) 4 - letter words cannot possibly be equivalent to that filth, and the damage and pain, which it has caused the Jewish people. In anticipation of one thing I imagine you might say, my response is "if you can't take the heat, then stay out of the kitchen." Peace/Shalom, Yours truly, -- Ludvikus 21:23, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
If you wish to help cleanup Wikipedia of Antisemitic trash, I suggest you look carefully at the above. I've been spending currently a substantial amount of time to have it deleted as OR and Un-notable. In fact, it's an excuse to have an antisemitic poster/image of "monster" "Jewish" Trotsky. I do not know - yet - where you are coming from. But I hope to learn soon. Yours truly, -- Ludvikus 21:33, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
Here's a sample of the Red Scare (1920) "scholarly" source used in the above article:
Socialism has made terrible inroads among the Jews. To give one example, " The Forward," a Yiddish daily of New York City, has a circulation of about 150,000 copies. This paper should be watched very carefully by the government, for it has been doing some very dangerous work in the line of revolutionary propaganda without English-speaking people being aware of the doctrines it is advocating.
The real purpose of the article there is an excuse to post the antisemitic image I'm showing you here. The subtext of article connext the murdering "Chinese" under the control of the "Jew" Trotsky. I wonder if you will understand what I mean.
Yours truly, -- Ludvikus 21:38, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
You're charge is baseless, User IZAK. I expect you to know what "obscenities," "vulgarities," and "four letter words" are. Your reckless accusation that I do that is itself a violation of Wikipedia policy. Please retract you baseless charge that you have made there, on that other Talk page. Yours truly, -- Ludvikus 05:58, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
Hi El C: Unfortunately, there is a user Ludvikus ( talk · contribs) who is tampering with the formatting of a nomination page [17]. See the wildness of what he is doing at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Protocols of Zion (imprints). He is inserting and changing the original formatting and even the wording, totally unheard of. Please take a look at it. Thanks a lot. IZAK 15:11, 17 October 2007 (UTC)