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How do we recall you, Hiding? Not that I think you're in need of it but there's no way to do it. I think there should be. I think categories of editors are by and large unhelpful, and probably a deadmin thing that allowed nominations and stuff would also be a bad idea, but I can think of quite a few admins who could do with being recalled because they tend to be a menace. Grace Note 04:52, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
Oh and if you reply, please not here. I don't have a long watchlist and I don't add others' talkpages to it. Grace Note 04:52, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
You're welcome to the compliment, although of course I don't agree with much of what you said. While it's true that it only takes two people to start an RfC on you, there have been RfCs on admins that have shown a great deal of hostility towards the admin but they have kept their badge. I'm not a big fan of RfCs in any case. They're very rarely productive. Bad admins don't read them and think "oh, I ought to change". They read them and think "that person is just an idiot and doesn't understand me". If they were capable of doing the right thing, they probably wouldn't be facing the RfC in the first place. Neither do I think you should be analogous to a Lord, although the analogy is pretty good. You should be more like, say, a DA, who faces election every now and then. In any case, I like the idea of randomly chosen rotating admins, to prevent the entrenchment of privilege, which has been on the whole detrimental. While it's a good thing that people who can be trusted retain the abilities that an admin has, it's not so good that those who use them unwisely, and some do, cannot be unseated. I like your idea of the embodiment of ideals but it's not tenable now, particularly with the vigorous testing that a candidate must undergo! Most older admins wouldn't even get the bit now. Can you correctly apply the speedy deletion criteria? I don't even know what they all are and I've been here for two or three years now. Still, I know an article that's garbage when I see it.
As for the system, I think it's broken in a multitude of ways, some important, some not so. Most of the not so important ways seem vital to some participants but aren't, and some important seem unimportant to some but are. Probably that would be the case with any large enterprise. Thanks for sharing your thoughts. Grace Note 00:50, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
"Being an admin means getting into disputes and annoying people." Very true and I think sometimes "critics" forget that. It's also true for anyone who has just been around for a while, admin or no, so I'm going to have to decline your offer for now, although I appreciate your making it. 99% of the time I've been constructive here, but the 1% will ensure I don't get approved, and I think out of respect for you I should not let you be associated with that. Perhaps you'd be willing to nominate me in a couple of months and I'll spend that time letting any heat that my name generates cool off and perhaps that will be better. Grace Note 05:09, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
We seem to be having a minor problem with the image for this. As a result of the last minor edit was over this, a note was added next to the image link to see the talk page. Right now we've got an annom (204.116.172.243) who has flipped it 5 times in 30 minutes and has stated bluntly he isn't interested in working with others. In addition, as part of his 3rd flip, he added an empty protection tag.
Is there anything we can do about this? — J Greb 04:51, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
Is there any particular reason you closed this after only two days? - Amarkov blah edits 23:04, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
Is there any reason why you disregarded the process concerns, which is the whole point of a DRV? Discussions of content belong at XfD. Thryduulf 23:07, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
An editor has asked for a deletion review of ashika. Since you closed the deletion discussion for (or speedy-deleted) this article, you might want to participate in the deletion review. on their talk page.-->
Could you review the contribution histories of EJBanks, Creepy Crawler, Dr. McGrew and Batman Fan? I think you'll conclude that they are almost certainly the same person. They've been indef-blocked under the last three names for exactly the same kind of category creation vandalism that's happening again. CovenantD 09:54, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
Hey, I saw The Adventures of Tintin is being featured tomorrow. Congrats and good luck with the vandals... Carcharoth 03:45, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
The best existing proposal I can, in my own limited way, think of for the previously discussed "appreciation week" can now be found at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week#Wikipedia Week. Any comments or responses would be more than welcome. And I note your objections. In the first year, the "Person of the Year" award could well be a bad idea. Badbilltucker 15:15, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
In the past you have participated in discussion about this guideline, or voted in it's acceptence. There is currently a discussion about a partial rewrite of this guideline. The discussion could benefit from some more input. Thank you for your contributions. TheDJ ( talk • contribs • WikiProject Television) 16:09, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
There's plenty of bots around at WP:CFD and WP:BOT. If people find them useful in portalspace, moving them there would be a feasible solution. >Radiant< 16:41, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
Per your request at Wikipedia:Newspapers and magazines request service, I've e-mailed you the article. Happy editing! Gzkn 09:15, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
I saw the thread on ANI. I don't know enough about the underlying situation to comment on the merits of the block and the unblock request, but your review rationale seemed thorough and well-reasoned to me.
This falls in the category of "easy for me to say," but please don't allow yourself to be stressed out by this or any other Wikipedia task. We all have to remember that sometimes, including myself. Regards, Newyorkbrad 16:04, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
This kind of stuff dosen't get sent around enough, so the bad seems to build up and overpower the good.
I have always had a great deal of respect for your decision making abilities. The case you tried to solve was a difficult and contentious one, and I fully support you walking away from it without reaching strong conclusion. You are a bigger man for doing so. I tried to figure out who was right, but also got fully frusterated by the intracasies of what must have been going on for years. Please don't think less of yourself or let the slings and arrows of whomever is shooting at you hit. You are a good and valuable contributor and problem solver. Hipocrite - «Talk» 16:05, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
(Incidental note that probably has nothing to do with anything) - I encountered User:David D. during my first RfA attempt. He really impressed me in how he researched my contributions (including the wizard page), when it appeared that few others were. I don't know anything further about him except what checking I did of his contributions. But I thought I'd mention that I was and am rather impressed with him (similar though different of how I respect you and your contributions here). As I said above, it likely doesn't mean anything, but I thought I'd mention it nonetheless. - jc37 22:06, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
[1]. Posted in unlrelated incident. Worth reading. Wikipedia as university adminstration? I think so. Hipocrite - «Talk» 17:54, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
Hiding, I'm unaware of a split in the sense that you indicate, as the articles in question (specifically Robin (Earth-Two)) were created from a silver age perspective based on the long accepted model of Batman (Earth-Two) (which evaded criticism...for reasons that quite frankly escape me...as it also wasn't first proposed to the community input and yet has existed since Nov 7, 2007). As to consensus, I've been keeping track of the survey the Dick Grayson talk page relating to the existence of a Robin (Earth-Two) page...and it is quite evident there is a split as to keep/oppose merging or delete/support merging with five contributors for each side. This does not appear to be "consensus" of any type...and as to the survey in Wikiproject Comics any dispute is over certain pages being created while there is virtually nothing addressed as to the perceived double standard as to tacit permission of Batman (Earth-Two). If you wish to question my not approaching the community first, I would ask that you also approach User:Exvicious as well regarding his creation of Batman (Earth-Two) without the same approval. Thank you for your time. Netkinetic/ T/ C/ @ 19:46, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
I just sent an email to you concerning my accounts. -- Philosophus T 21:27, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
Hi.
Received a request on my talk page from User:Thefro552 (who knows me from List of comic book superpowers) in regards to an IP who is daily vandalising Stone Cold Steve Austin. I think I'm with you in that I probably don't qualify as a Rouge admin, so I guess I'm hesitant to WP:RBI (especially since I didn't do the reverting : )
Also, I seem to recall reading that even if I were to decide to block the IP, there tend to be various complexities in blocking IP addresses, and I'd rather err on the side of caution. Looking for some "expert advice" : ) - jc37 21:58, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
Make sure only the Block anonymous users only box is checked, uncheck the other two. You don't want to Prevent account creation because you want to allow good contributors on a shared account a way in, and there are other benefits as well. You leave that unchecked unless you are positive the account is sock puppeteering and it's a short block. You never do it for lengthy blocks unless you can guarantee it's a static address. Leave Automatically block the last IP address used by this user, and any subsequent addresses they try to edit from unchecked, this is to prevent logged in users logging out and editing anonymously or sock puppeting. It is all complicated, but you do eventually pick it up through experience. Your first couple of blocks you are best served posting for review at WP:AN or WP:ANI, just to get feedback, it's what I did.
In this case I guess the best advice is to have a look at Wikipedia:Vandalism in progress and the pages it advises you to go to. If the history of the article really does merit it, semi protection is probably the first best step, for a couple of days and see if the vandal gets bored. Hope some of that helps. Hiding Talk 22:30, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
Okay, there's obviously a dispute. I'm no mediator but it got brought to the admin's noticeboard so you got me. I've archived the previous stuff at Talk:List of wizards in fantasy, it was getting long and I could not make head nor tail of it. Now sometimes that is seen as a contentious move so let me reassure I'm not trying to close off debate, I'm just trying to wipe the slate clean and start again. Any issue you want to take from the archives and paste back on the talk page, please do so. What I would ask is that you don't right now. If you give me a week to try this attempt to resolve the dispute, then I'll move off if no headway is made. You can of course tell me to butt out now and I won't mind, I have better things to do now. What I would like, is for someone from either side help me out and explain what content has been moved where and where they think it should go. Keep it simple and don't point fingers, let's focus on the content. And pick one section to edit, A or B and don't edit the other. Just your own point of view, nothing responding to the other side at this point. Maybe if we work through this we can work out the best way to solve it. I have the impression it might all get solved by the requested move process, but I want to make sure the page history is all in one place so that the requested move can be set up properly. Then I suggest all sides allow a consensus to be built on the requested move and we work form there. I'm going to be taking the view that we request the move from where the content is now. That's not an endorsement, rather think of it as a wrong version issue. I hope this issue can get sorted out, because continuing disputes do no-one any favours. Thanks for your time. Hiding Talk 14:14, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
Hope the stress wasn't caused by looking at that long talk page! :-) Seriously, thanks for the offer, even if it was retracted quickly (better to retract now than later), and I hope your stress levels go down soon. Carcharoth 15:07, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
I don't think it is necessary, as there are discussion places on Wikipedia talk:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Esperanza and Wikipedia:Deletion review/Wikipedia:Esperanza. Would you mind changing the template on Wikipedia:Esperanza and redirect users to the 2 discussions? We wouldn't want a 3rd discussion area.-- Ed ¿Cómo estás? Reviews? 22:15, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
Hi Hiding. I reported both User:DCincarnate and User:Asgardian for 3RR violations during their edit war over Celestial (comics). Just thought you should know. -- GentlemanGhost
(Asgardian)
Asgardian 09:28, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
Hi Hiding,
I was just wondering about your rating of Frank Miller (comics). Surely an article needs some references before it can be considered A class?
Iron Ghost 18:24, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
Iron Ghost 18:31, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
Hi,
I noticed that Rex is not being polite, and with respect to the template he created, {{Construction}}, he deleted the recent comments - plus mine. I would advise you'll keep an eye on him. Who knows what he might do next shortly?
Thanks for your attention. - Qasamaan 19:30, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
Hiding, I hope there was no violation of GFDL on this edit due to a cut-&-paste from another page. Marijuana and comics don't really mix. ;) (All in good humour nothing more. Peace) Netkinetic | T / C / @ 00:13, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
I'd be happy to look over the list. I'm not really interested in putting a lot of work into restore/redirect/protecting dozens of esp-related pages since frankly I fail to see the point in that. I'm sure you can find some espian admin to fix that? >Radiant< 17:08, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
No apology necessary. I appreciate the time you put into it. I picked ANI because I wanted to have jc37's changes undone (or undeleted) and have him warned that he should follow the dispute resolution process, a process he took an end-run around and just plain old ignored. I wasn't looking for a mediator since it appears jc37 won't follow the process that includes that, but perhaps it is the best course of action and see if he cooperates with the mediator. Thanks Hiding! Dreadlocke ☥ 01:27, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
Sorry I missed your comment on my talk page. Not sure if this even matters to you now: No, you are not worrying over nothing. The way with which the article has been edited has been extremely misguided, and I'm not really sure I understand the "enthusiasm" with which you and I have been opposed on this article. It's a bit feverish. -- Chris Griswold ( ☎ ☓) 05:59, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
Hi Hiding - I was wondering, as you are an administrator who frequents comics-related wiki entries, if you could keep an eye on the Histoire de M. Vieux Bois article. Grenye and I have been working hard to improve the quality of this article, but some of our work has been hampered by an anonymous user. This user seems to be a "collector" taking out a personal conflict with a dealer of Victorian-era comic dealer. Sometimes this is in the form of strange, errant parentheticals opposing calling this publication a comic. At other times it is rambling, personal attacks toward the dealer featuring links to a message board as "citations." Early on, the user engaged in deleting valid citations from the article. The user's edits can be seen in the current article's edit history as well as the history of the now-redirected The_Adventures_of_Obadiah_Oldbuck.
I think that Grenye and I have been careful that this article not proclaim that the book is absolutely the first comic book -- both in the first sentence, which is clear that it is a "publication" only "sometimes said" to be the first comic, and in the article, which is concerned with the history and context by which it is called this. At any rate, I suspect the user's axe to grind has less to do with the publication itself and more to do with the abrasive nature of someone on an Internet message board, which I have a funny feeling does not meet notability standards. ~CS 00:28, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
What was the false assumption why you deleted it? Also, see [2]; this essay is referred to in many places and had substantial discussion on the talk page. Tag it with {{ historical}} if you want, but deletion is not appropriate. The CSD has the "mistake" exception so that pages that have had others involved with them or have been referred to by others are not deleted; the "mistake" there is a prior mistake, such as a typo or a mis-understanding of the GFDL, though it is often related to deleting non-encyclopedic articles that the author realizes aren't appropriate (and that would have been deleted by other CSDs or other deletion processes anyway). Re-evaluating your assumptions six months later does not qualify. — Centrx→ talk • 14:42, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
You're right in both your deletion and restoration. Is something wrong? Hipocrite - «Talk» 15:10, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
Hiding? Are you stressed out about something? Anything we can help with? Carcharoth 16:12, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
Sorry, I haven't really noticed any plans of yours though to tear up the Fictional Biography. I felt that was a good summary. Ripping up the aspects of the character for a large sub-page isn't so good though. I'll check to see if there's been any information recycling on the History and Character pages. I do appreciate your excellent work by the way. Wiki-newbie 20:28, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
Didn't you hive off the majority of the Biography to History of Superman? Wiki-newbie 20:36, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
Sorry for the misunderstanding. But it's the Popular culture stuff that needs sprucing, as well as helping improve that article. Are you fine? Wiki-newbie 20:51, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
That's quite a fundemental difference between you and I then. Superman is a comic book character that has been depicted in various other media. You must agree at least the P.C. section needs a clean-up though. We need more emphasis on the comics then on the movies. Plus, we can we do for alternate versions? Wiki-newbie 21:03, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
At the end of the day, Superman is part of the Comics Project, above Film. We've diverted from the main point now: originally it was lack of cites, now the article is in danger of becoming unbroad in coverage. Wiki-newbie 19:52, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
I really felt your trimmed versions of the Fictional Biography and Powers, which I had some work on, was the best version. History of Superman is a little of both: Comics guidelines say Publication and Fictional compliment one another, like a Production and Plot sections in a film article. Still, I think attention is needed to cutting down Publication and Pop Culture sections. This may mean I'd support Removal of the FA as the article is no longer truly stable. Wiki-newbie 16:24, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
Either way, I want to say that the Fictional Biography should be avaliable to anyone who wants it. As for History of Superman, both really. Look at Storm (comics) or History of the X-Men comics, the only two comparable articles. Wiki-newbie 19:33, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
I simply found the article as it was fine until you ripped out Biography, Powers and Personality. I guess I'm ok really with the Personality and Supporting characters being moved. I'll agree to copyedit and merge elements once you're done. Wiki-newbie 19:39, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
We can remove the biography and powers from Superman character and cast and expand that particular section in the article for more on Kent, because you found some great stuff on Kent's role in the mythology. No point just bandying it as "this is what some scholars think". I think the issue is settled. I say no to Superman in comic books, that's what Superman is: a comic book character. The Middle-earth articles for example don't place extra emphasis on Peter Jackson for one thing. But enough of subpages, let's get the main thing into gear. Wiki-newbie 19:53, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
We'd be far poorer without you, lad. Take care, and if you need anything ask.
brenneman
00:54, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the suggestion but I had a look at the requirements for adminship when someone else was nominated a while back and I don't feel I qualify as I do little on the backend knd of thing and don't really have a pessing desire to get too involved beyond the things that touch on the entries I've been working on. Anyway if there is every any dirty work needed doing then I can always hassle people like you. ;) Nice of you to mention it though. :)
One the British comics taskforce: That is a good idea and well worth pursuing. I can't claim to have a comprehensive knowledge of the whole field but I have been reaidng British comics for a long time (I bought the first issue of 2000 AD when it came out - although largely for the space spinner) and I'd certainly be invovled with that as (as I've said many times before) non-US comics don't get as big a representation as they should just purely from a market penetration front and if we can spot obvious gaps in the coverage and try and get them covered then that is A Good Thing. Keep me updated on progress and sign me up. ( Emperor 17:40, 18 January 2007 (UTC))
Thank you for your support on my RfA, which closed favorably this morning. I appreciate the confidence the community has placed in me and am looking forward to my new responsibilities. Please let me know if ever you have any comments or suggestions, especially as I am learning how to use the tools. Best regards, Newyorkbrad 20:49, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
I need someone to to take a look at a back and forth I'm having with Netkinetic on the Comics Project talk page, at the bottom of the "List of related articles" section. I'm concerned I may have crossed some lines with it and I'm certain that if I respond to the last post I will be.
Thanks for listening... — J Greb 04:39, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
Regarding [3]. Thanks. Hipocrite - «Talk» 18:38, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
Thanks, I'd appreciate if someone kept an eye on the situation. -- Milo H Minderbinder 23:06, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
Sure, I haven't done one before but if you get it started I'd be happy to contribute to it. FYI, I'm about to submit a request for unprotection now. -- Milo H Minderbinder 16:09, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
Hiding, I want you to know that I sometimes read Wikipedia drama to my fiancée (she asks me to), and we cheer you on when we come across your entry into the gladiator arena with your calm words and your righteous glory. If things get to rough here and you ever need to, you can crawl inside my womb and be reborn. Or is that "woumb"? I'm not sure; I'm an ugly American who has only glimpsed the beauty of the Tardis. I am forever indebted to you for your guidance, camaraderie, and contributions to Wikipedia. -- Chris Griswold ( ☎ ☓) 07:26, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
Sorry, Hiding, I'm not sure I understand what should be done. Can we merge back those articles? This is it? — Lesfer (t/ c/ @) 16:27, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
Hate to pester you with something that may be trivial, but what is the Wiki-etiquette re: editing someone else's statement of position in a merge/split survey? Reason I'm asking is that User:Btipling, signing as Bjorn Tipling, went through and "clarified" position statements from 4 other editors, myself included, on the "Batman (Earth-Two) to merge into Batman" survey. Thanks for listening... — J Greb 03:10, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
Hope that helps. Hiding Talk 13:41, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
Hiding,
In what sense have I misinterpeted others comments? I'm basing it off the survey, and have been extremely careful to word both sides equally. Such terms as: those in *support* of the survey and those in *support* of a split, for instance. I'm unsure in what sense the RFC intro is slanted one way or another. As to setting up the page in question...in fact it was already "set up" prior to the RFC, after which it was redirected. I have added a few extra 3rd party verifiable sources, and I shall note this in the RFC accordingly. I am also extremely mystified as to your redirect of Huntress (Helena Wayne) which was created months ago prior to the current controversy. That you would make a judgement call on this particular article, when there was not a survey done for nor against it specifically, mystifies me. Articles started after Robin (Earth-Two)...I will make that consession they are fair game. This one however seems a bit arbitrary and I question the good faith for that redirect. Netkinetic | T / C / @ 19:44, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
What's up Hiding. Why did you redirect the character to Earth-Two instead of Huntress (comics). There's more detail there. -- Exvicious // + @ 05:27, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
User:Netkinetic is posting all sorst of merge tags on only DC characters like Blue Beetle ted kord. Brian Boru is awesome 19:13, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
OK Hiding, thanks for the info, jimfbleak 14:00, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
hey Hiding, i was wondering if you can get warned/banned for bad grammar. User:RonBatfreak is making (in my opinion) horrendous edits, with poor puncuation and bad grammar. [4]
For example: "With Bart Allen has absorbed the entire Speed Force, Deathstroke supplying Inertia with an experimental substance Velocity 9 in order to be able to still retain his superhuman speed." from Titans East
Or: "On Teen Titan vol. 3 #43, she is under the captivity of the villainous Titans East with Robin and Raven after the attack from Inertia and Match." from Wonder Girl (Cassie Sandsmark)
Either he/she is very incompetent at basic english or it must be his second language or something (which is why he seems to ignore complaints in his talk. He also seems to incorrectly site specific issues a lot. Besides that, i guess his additions are accurate, reading them makes my head hurt. I've never heard any policy on getting banned for writing poorly, but someone needs to do something -- EXV // + @ 10:45, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
Who would that be? :). Beware the argument from silence. Marskell 12:03, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
Let's breath for 24 or 48. Robert West, Francis, Slim, and others who've edited, may stop by. The logic of starting with existing wording is totally sound. The debates on actual policy innovation can take place when the page is live; people will be much more restrained in adding radical ideas at that point. Marskell 17:38, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
Will reply on the page. SlimVirgin (talk) 23:48, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for your advice on improving the Democracy (Judge Dredd storyline) article. I'll look up some sources when I get time. Richard75 22:09, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
I'll take a look... — J Greb 00:46, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
Hiding,
Is there anything that can be done with the above use? He seems hell bent on circumventing this CfD by just changing the other 2 cats. He also isn't responding to comments either on his user talk or in the edit summaries.
(I've cross posted this with ChrisGriswold)
— J Greb 17:32, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
I have a very bad temper, and usually I do try to control it (considering this incivility warning is the first one I've received in three years). ;) At first I did wonder how you came across my edits, but I see you have taken a look at Ksofen's, so I guess that would make sense. You do have good points, and almost 100% of the time I practice them. Thanks for dropping the note by. :) Mike H. I did "That's hot" first! 20:34, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
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For your patient but firm hand in dealing with the seemingly never-ending disputes at Wikipedia:Esperanza, I award you this barnstar! Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 09:45, 10 February 2007 (UTC) |
I'm sure it was not your intention, but your recent comments at deletion review hurt my feelings a little bit. I'm used to suggestions from noobz (and Snowspinner) that I've got some sort of blood-lust when it comes to webcomics, but having you lump me in with "editors who do not like them" was a bit of a shock.
I won't re-run my thinking here, the DRV is the venue for that. But I'm dissapointed by the suggestion that I did anything here other than I do with any deletion close: Evaluated the arguments, looked over policy and guidelines, and tried to balance "consensus" as it is right at that second versus what's been demonstrated on the more geological time scale.
brenneman 23:16, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
I've restored the tag -- the article is full of unsourced claims and original research. -- Dragonfiend 00:52, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
Doctor Fate was recently tagged for "tense in fiction" problems. I've run through the article and revamped it and could use a second set of eyes going over it. Would you mind...?
Thanks... — J Greb 07:23, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
Hi Hiding, I want to take care of some Marvel comics articles which need wikifying and clean-up, but I want to check out three questions before I do my first major edits (in order to prevent causing any trouble or annoying the admins ;)). Question No.1: I need a clarification about copyright. If I scan an image myself (for example a character or a comic book cover) and upload it, which copyright tag do I use and how do I state the source formally? Question No.2: Is it allowed to use images from the official Marvel.com website (especially comic book covers for adding them to incomplete lists) and how do I source these images? Question No. 3: Is there an infobox available for comic books? Thank you very much! Incredible Nightcrawler 09:24, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
I've been reading a lot of your comments in several subjects now, and I just have to say that regardless of whether I agree with you or not, you seem to be a phenomenally reasonable and level-tempered guy. Since it looks like you're also likely stressed out, I think you deserve to know that. Good show. Erk| Talk -- I like traffic lights -- 12:27, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the heads up, though if I understand the 3RR right I'm only sitting on 1 reversion in the past 24 hours. I'd be more worried about if he were swinging through more than once or twice a night though. — J Greb 15:50, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
So, in effect:
Thanks for the clarification. Refsworldlee (chew-fat) (eds) 18:33, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
We've got an annom vandalizing the page. It isn't the first time the annom account has done similar. Could you take a look and see if either the IP needs a temp blaock or the article needs semi-protection?
Thanks — J Greb 20:08, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
Addendum: The annoms involved are 204.69.40.13 and 69.92.184.84. I'm reverting it one last time (3rd, so I won't touch it again, sadly). — J Greb 20:44, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
Hi Mr.Block, wondering if this is something you'd look into or advise as I have neither the experience nor gravitas. It seems Single Purpose Account Vdeporter ( talk · contribs) has made an autobio, and inserted self into a few lists. I'm not sure, but as far as I can tell, he is sufficiently notable [5] so a new COI situation for me. I've put up 2 tags, so is there more I ought to do, or step back and let the system deal? MURGH disc. 23:37, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
You have expressed an interest in the practice of putting up for deletion articles that needed to be tagged instead. You are therefore cordially invited to contribute to, review, clarify, and/or discuss a working draft on my userspace of a point that needs to be widely clarified on Wikipedia, User:Balancer/Wikpedia:Deletion_is_not_a_substitute_for_tagging. Balancer 18:30, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
I have initiated a Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration#Nearly Headless Nick disregarding consensus and consensus-related policies, a matter in which I believe you to have been involved in the case history of. Your commentary may be appreciated. Balancer 13:47, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
About your "I mean, okay everyone says this, but which newspaper was it that had the journalist making things up?" on WT:WEB: There are quite a few, but it may very well have been Jack Kelley in the USA Today. At least that's the one I think I remember hearing of myself. Just posting it here since this trivia comment would look TOTALLY out of place in the current discussion :P -- Sid 3050
Hey Hiding, we're having a bit of a revert debate going on at Template:Punkbox. The edit comments should be able to fill you in on what the hassle is, and there's discussion going on here. WesleyDodds 00:47, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
Template:WikiProjectBanners has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. -- Ned Scott 08:08, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
Hi. I'm disappointed to see that you've deleted PlayRadioPlay! before the AfD was up. I agree that it wasn't likely to make it, but the article author did indeed assert notability in the AfD discussion, and promised to find newspaper articles demonstrating notability. Was there something that made deleting this early necessary? Thanks, William Pietri 08:04, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
Just a quick move need over a naming glitch. Details here. Cheers. ( Emperor 14:39, 21 February 2007 (UTC))
I've heard you're a little bit bonked,
And not in the fun porn-star way.
When even your wiki-friends are irking you,
It can really ruin your day.
So consider your your joy-horn honked.
(Err, but not in the porn-star way.)
Think of the good work you've done,
There's reason a-plenty to stay.
brenneman
02:15, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
Thanks! Yes, I did missed the Three Kings out because I'm not sure if thats parts of the common or not. I think it comes under the Fair Green part of Mitcham. Anyway I can add it as a boundary marker. To be honest I rushed the map a bit (and I drew it in MS paint!) so its bound to be off a little. Also missed out bidders pond, and the bit by the Cannons to Willow Lane. I'll make amendments to it when I can, or if you like you can have a go. Think outside the box 11:26, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
It's now in your archives, but you gave me some concrete advice about how to block, and I wanted to thank you for it. See WP:AN#Hesitation for more information, if curious. - jc37 11:30, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
Hi Hiding. I've been attempting to overview and tidy up the geography cats which involve the places where people live. There appear to be two useful ways of doing it - by region, and by size. Organising by region isn't a problem. But organising by size has become difficult because User:Hmains uses the term settlements to cover all sizes of communities, and has altered dictionary definitions [6] to fit his own understanding of the term - [7]. However, community appears to be the term used most often to describe the places where people live, regardless of size. This is the definition of community - [8]. Hmains has reverted much of my work, and insists on settlements being the term we should use - basing it on this decision, which was a declined proposal to rename Settlements by region to Populated places by region. What do you think? Is settlement the appropriate term for covering human communities ranging from well established cities down to refuge camps? Is Human community a viable alternative? Are there other choices? I have started a discussion here and here, with the above wording, but no response as yet. I have left this message on the talk pages of active Geography Project members. And then on this page. I am a bit lost as the best place to discuss this issue. I don't want to delete or rename any category. And I don't want to get into a revert war. I'd like an open debate to reach sensible consensus. I'm now leaving this message on the pages of WikiProject Category members. Can you advise? SilkTork 19:54, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
Discussion taking place at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (settlements)#Settlements SilkTork 11:23, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
In the spirit of reducing the amount of Wikipolicies and obviating confusion (see WP:LAP), drafts are in progress for a unified deletion policy here, and a unified protection policy here. These should really be team efforts, so since you commented on the matter earlier I would like to ask your help. The intent is not to change policy, merely to clarify and remove reduncancy; thus, anything that inadvertently changes the meaning should be fixed. We should be ready to move the drafts over the existing policies soon, but this needs more feedback and consensus, otherwise it'll just get reverted by people who "like the old thing better". Thank you for your time. >Radiant< 13:24, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
I don't see anything in the article that mentions the Earth-Two superhero Superman (Kal-L), nor do I see anything regarding a disambiguation of the other uses of "Kal-El". If you may, can you show me where it is listed in the article? Power level (Dragon Ball) 21:38, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
I am sorry if you found that unconstructive, I'm unsure as to how? I really do think the best thing to do would be to show that Comixpedia is reliable. If you can show that, then any criticism brought up is really beside the point-every publication gets criticism, but if we can show it's reliable and fact-checked, it's a valid source period. I certainly did not intend that to be an unconstructive or inflammatory suggestion, I'm sorry it came across that way. I was hoping that there could be a quick and definitive solution to that particular issue, I was trying to suggest how it could be done. Seraphimblade Talk to me Please review me! 08:34, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
Good idea, thanks. It is, at present, way too long; I'll see if I can snip something. >Radiant< 12:53, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
I have left a message on my talkpage. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 18:55, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
If you could, I've got a back and forth with another editor that I'd like an admin to look at.
It's here Talk:Spectre (comics)#Article Title and I think it may be on the verge of getting out of hand.
Thanks...— J Greb 22:05, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
I fail to understand why deletion is a swift and decisive process, yet merging must be a slow and painful one. The article has one or two defenders who are anti-merge. If I merge, they'll just unmerge. I want to use AFD as a vehicle to make it decisive instead of dilatory, drawn-out, stressful, and discouraging, and to bring in a broader consensus than just me vs. one or two defenders who refuse to see the redundancy. - Keith D. Tyler ¶ ( AMA) 00:33, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
That's impressive work there. Just a few more points. The images need fair use rationales, and they also need shrinking. Copyrighted images shouldn't be any bigger than they would appear in the article. Also, the trivia section needs to be worked into the article somewhere, trivia sections are frowned upon. I think if those happen, a peer review would be a bloody good idea, and then maybe if that goes well take it to featured articles. Hiding Talk 21:57, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
I thank you for your appreciation of my efforts, and for presenting me with my first wiki-award. I've made all of the corrections you noted. All images now have fair use rationals, and have been reduced in size. However, there were panels which held text I felt a reader could benefit from reading, so as to understand the context of the panel. These panels were not fully shrunk. I have also deleted the trivia section (I never knew how to integrate that last note, and to be honest, I never felt it should have been added. I just kept hoping I'd eventually get some citation to validate its inclusion.) Your suggestion that it might be FA worthy seems optimistic, but I only hope that now that these adjustments have been made, nothing stands in the way of the article at least receiving GA status.-- Cast 00:56, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
Hiding,
Thank you for restoring the integrity of my talk page. Regards. Netkinetic (t/ c/ @) 01:03, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
Hey,
Hate to pester you, but is there anyway to get this semi-protected?
We've got what looks like an annom editor with a roaming IP and WP:OWN issues.
The preface to the IP is 75.176. It looks like he's "camping" Hyperion (Marvel Comics), Darkseid, Odin (comics), Wonder Man, and Thing (comics).
At the moment I'm about to hit the 3rd revert of his unexplained reversion of Hyperion. I've got a feeling I'm going to have to leave it in a bad state after this until Friday...
— J Greb 23:30, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
[9] I don't see what was wrong with the suggested compromise. Could you please explain to me why that edit was reverted?-- Ed ¿Cómo estás? 01:58, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
I noticed we tend to agree on some of the issues of Notability. I created a userbox for it to help group like minded wikipedians. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:User_AntiNotable DanielZimmerman 14:57, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
Hiding, thanks for your (late :-) ) support on my RfA. It passed with 55/0/0. I'll try my best to be worthy of the trust the community has put in me. If there are any of my actions you have a problem with or a question about, please feel free to discuss this with me and if needed to revert me. If there is anything else I can help you with (backlogs, comments, ...), you can always contact me on my talk page. Fram 15:24, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
You may have noticed some recent changes in the trivia/toomuchtrivia template. As a result of discussion at Template_talk:Toomuchtrivia, we're trying to bring the name of the tag, the wording, and the category into agreement with the current guidelines. Would you assist by moving <toomuchtrivia> to <trivia> and making <toomuchtrivia> the redirect? I would have taken it to Requested Page Moves for more discussion, but that seems to be for articles only. As you can see on the talk page, there is consensus already. Thanks! CovenantD 07:08, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
Dude, if anybody knows how you feel abou hitting the wall, it's me. Only in my case the wall keeps hitting back...
Only if you happen to be up and around on Wiki anyway, you might want to look at semi-protecting Captain America. Several times already today, despite what it says on the talk page, anon IPs and others keep inserting as fact, "Captain America's dead!" This is, course, at least twice for Cap (remember Steranko's run?), and there's been Superman, and Green Lantern, and Reed Richards, and Nick Fury.... Since at least the Daily News is running with Marvel's press release on this publicity stunt, this might go on for days.
Don't know if you're around, so I'll slip this note over to Chris Griswald as well. Hope you're OK -- Tenebrae 17:17, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
I did a lot of editing for the article about the webcomic El Goonish Shive. Now I'd like to request a peer review, but there are no specific procedures for webcomics, but there are some for comics. Do I need to enter El Goonish Shive into the comics project, and does it qualify for it because there are printed editions? Ambi Valent 15:20, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
Ran across something today that I'd like an admin's opinion on.
It's in two parts:
First is the edits by STEALTH RANGER to Captain. He's added a large section on "Captain" as used in fiction and prose, effectively doubling the article's size. It reads as OR to me but I would like a second opinion before either tagging it or out right removing it. I think he created it in order to support the second part.
This is List of Superhero Captains. The majority of it is by the same editor's hand. It smells of OR and blatant fan cruft. I'm not sure if tagging it will do any good or if it should go to AfD.
Thanks, — J Greb 19:08, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
Hi Hiding, ive looked through your contribs and i would like to award you some barnstars because i think you have earned them, Regards Anon
I saw your post about leaving or taking a break. I hope you won't stay away for long. I know exactly how you feel, believe me, but these things have happened before and people have moved forward, and they'll doubtless happen again. Nature of the beast, innit. SlimVirgin (talk) 03:17, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
I would like to move ahead with replacing the older version of the policy with the draft, and have posted notices to reflect that. Since you participated in writing it, please take a look at whether you think the current wording is acceptable. >Radiant< 13:00, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
there is currently a proposed amendment to include fair use images in the portal space at Wikipedia:Fair use/Amendment/Fair use images in portals2. I have decided to contact you because you expressed interest in this topic in the past. Please know that I am contacting all editors who partipated in discussions regarding this at WT:FUC. - ΖαππερΝαππερ Babel Alexandria 22:48, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
See Wikipedia:Templates for deletion/Template:pnc for the discussion, which will certainly spill over into larger issues. Your thoughts would be appreciated. -- Kevin Murray 23:21, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the heads up. I mean T-man no ill will, and hope he becomes a valued contributor to wikipedia. I am well, and hope you are too. Dyslexic agnostic 04:29, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
Firstly I wan't to claryfy that know that I need to both lay off permanently this issue and move on. Well, no, actually that's seconly, firstly I want to say hi and admit that I'm ashamed to bother you so soon, hahah. The thing is that after pointing out the redundant non-account-clearly-and-openly-linked IPs listed in my sockpuppet category page, I realised that User:200.112.96.113 is no less than an account that has nothing to do with me and that the checkUser result was "No proof available with CheckUser. —Matthew Brown (T:C) 12:42, 12 February 2006 (UTC)". So, although I won't insist, but in contrast with the other IPs I'm only reasonably asking to consider taking off because of their silly redundancy, I demand User:200.112.96.113 to be taken of the list and to report the person who put it there to the Administrators Notice Board or a permanent record, there is no way he didn't know that IP didn't match me in the Checkuser and if so it's a evidence of negligence on his part. All just in order to fill the Category page with a lot of crap in order to make it seem like I have an army of socks (which might make raise more than one eyebrowns suspecting bad faith on the responsible of the exesive listing). Again, as I said, I'm plenty aware that minding such issues was a mistake and that I need to lay them off and move on (although with the placement of the sockpupped tag in both my pages how could I have avoided noticing and eventually minding the negligence and redundancies), so I'm trusting the issues to you. I won't insist and I'll trust that whatever you do is in my best interest. Thanks for your time. -- T-man, the wise 08:04, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
I've requested mediation at the Mediation Cabal on the Foreword issue on behalf of 0-0-0-Destruct-0. The idea of an informal mediation is to try to get consensus with the help of a volunteer. Hopefully, we get the controversy solved without having. Of course, all of us are expected to have the the will of actually solve the problem. -- Neigel von Teighen 11:27, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
A request for informal mediation has been made regaring a dispute over
Taylor Allderdice High School that you have been listed as an involved party in. You can find this request at
Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2007-04-23 Taylor Allderdice High School. Please be aware that informal mediation is just that, informal, and it is an attempt to help all parties involved in a dispute reach consensus on an issue prior to escalating to more formal mediation or arbitration measures. Please indicate on either the case page or the disputed article's talk page if you are willing to accept this offer and attempt to work toward a solution. Thanks!
Arkyan •
(talk)
21:52, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
A while back we both were involved in an AFD on PlayRadioPlay! (I believe you were the admin who closed the discussion). Anyways, I was recently contacted by one of the band's supporters, and appearantly the band in question recently released an EP which has made it to the sixth spot on billboard.com's Top Electronic Albums [10], and according to the label's website, the band is starting a national tour soon [11]. It still might be a little premature to recreate the page, but I think its something we should keep our eye on. Any thoughts on the matter?-- Mbc 362 00:16, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
--~*LiSaSuArEz*~ 05:57, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
Hello Hiding, thank you for your proposed text for the Esperanza essay. In a certain way, I envy you for not having participated over the past several weeks of sometimes heated dispute over the issue. Let's see if the other people who have shown interest in the mediation will agree with your proposal. Thanks again. -- Kyok o 13:42, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
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Thank you. Wal ton Need some help? 15:33, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
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Well I did as there were some that were stumping me and anyway "many hands make light work" ;) There are also some cats that look like they need merging (already listed) but it was much needed all worked out fine. Obvious there will need to be blitzes on comic book companies and then titles but it now makes a lot more sense and people should be able to find the right place to put things instead of just dumping them which is the important thing after all. ( Emperor 13:28, 15 May 2007 (UTC))
Glad to know you're still with us, and not just in spirit! We miss having you around. Hope your break from this addictive thing is doing you good. All the best to you! -- Tenebrae 01:52, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
Certainly! There aren't any "rules" per se, since it's an informal sort of mediation, so you are always free to do what you feel is best. I would prefer that questions relevant to the discussion be made on the discussion page, although if you have a question you'd prefer to be "on the side" you may ask on my talk page as well. Arkyan • (talk) 14:44, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
Hi, I'm not sure if "See also" is deprecated. If so, this page needs updating: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:GTL#See_also A different section of the same page has info on a deprecated use of see also.
The reason the categories were put in "See also" is because they were illuminating to the topic and a reader seeking basic info would be unlikely to check the categories. Perhaps the links can be worked into the text of the article. -- Kenmayer 21:16, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
Hiding, Thanks for your comments. Your edit of List of comic strips looks like an excellent way to present relevant categories. Thanks! I may use it for the [Comic strip] article.-- Kenmayer 20:01, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
Hi Hiding, even though you may not have written the words of the essay, thanks for showing that in this case, less truly is more. Take care, -- Kyok o 23:03, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
I see you've moved Alternate versions of Lex Luthor to List of alternate versions of Lex Luthor. I don't really dispute your reasoning, but I just want to point out that there is a precedent in the original article name:
There's a lot more. I didn't even know they made a category. I remember their being an edit war over starting the articles with "list of" with the apparent consensus being "Alternate versions of..." Personally, I don't care either way, but I just wanted to point out those other articles. -- EXV // + @ 00:02, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
I'd appreciate your imput on this [16]. That and related categories are a bit of a mess and my thinking on it is:
It should all work out fine but I wanted to get more input so it can be done right and any flaws in the above can get pointed out now not later ;) ( Emperor 13:20, 25 May 2007 (UTC))
And while I'm hassling you I might as well flag the two merges I proposed the other day [17] - the List of graphic novels adapted into television or film has come up before but List of films based on English-language comics has been reworked since and it is a much more solid case and a better fit (and I was in favour of it last time ;) ). ( Emperor 13:28, 25 May 2007 (UTC))
Hey, Hiding. There are a couple of vandals making specious edits to the Sandman article, User:69.120.172.36 and User:216.54.173.2, the former of which seems to be getting into an edit war with me, in which I've been reverting his edits. At first glance, it's possible he thought his edits valid, since it involves Sandman's real name and alias, but I tried to explain to him on his Talk Page that the information I added was due to Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man Annual #1, which firmly clarified the issue. I even cited it as a Reference, but he has not responded to me, and just reverts the section. As for User:216.54.173.2, this person has already been rebuked on his Talk Page by someone else for blanking out material in another article. So these two may require that you or someone keep an eye on them. Thanks. Nightscream 22:45, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
Hi, a somewhat important clarification I think I should make. You did not offer to nominate Gracenotes for adminship. You offered to nominate Grace Note for adminship. They are completely different people â indeed, very much so, as evidenced by the fact that Grace Note opposed this RfA. Your comment is very worrying as it suggests to me that you, too, would have supported Gracenotes thinking they were someone else â as at least one oppose voter and possibly some support voters have already done. That a user would ever be judged based on the history of a completely unrelated user is unacceptable to me. I suggest in future you actually take the time to look at the candidate's contributions and history before making any sort of comment at all on their suitability for adminship, voting or otherwise â Gurch 16:09, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
Well, I know how you feel (or at least felt) about dealing with dispute resolution, but since you were the one who proposed User:Asgardian be on probation, I'd like your input at least on his current actions. See User talk:J Greb#Moving forward on Whizzer and Absorbing Man and its subsections for at least an introduction. If you're not interested, or would rather not be, I fully understand. - jc37 11:37, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
I've created Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Comics/Request for comment/Asgardian. Please add your comments there. References/diffs with explanations of why they are notable are most welcome. (I also cross-posted this to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Comics#Comics content related RfC for User:Asgardian, et al.)
After doing a bit of reading, and the numerous talk page threads scattered throughout talk-verse, I thought a single page to discuss concerns might be a good idea. - jc37 14:00, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
Just a quick note that there seems to be a consensus for my proposed solution Talk:Wildstorm#Merges but I thought I'd drop you a note as your input is appreciated (it is quite a big topic so needs to be done right) and I'll probably end up hassling you for the move. I have started preparing a quick wrapper for the WorldStorm entry to get it refocused. If you move it do you want to add it or leave it for me to do? ( Emperor 15:41, 11 June 2007 (UTC))
It is so good to see your name around the project again. I had to take about 2 1/2 weeks off myself. Welcome back!-- Tenebrae 19:22, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
If you wouldn't mind, I'd like your thoughts on:
- jc37 23:35, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
Just notify me when you feel like getting more input on the article. I'll make a thorough read-through and maybe do a little odd copyediting here and there.
Peter Isotalo 16:50, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
Hi, Hiding. I was just wondering if you'd care to look in at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Comics/Request for comment/Asgardian, and perhaps let the participants know what our options are. No one seems able to work with Asgardian, who is creating extreme frustration among a number of WPC editors. I know banning is a last resort, but after more than a year of his disrupting the WPC to make what other editors consider a habit of pointless points, many of us are at wits' end. Mayhap we need the calm hand or an insightful suggestion by the elder statesman of WPC? I mean this is all and complete sincerity. -- Tenebrae 19:18, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
I saw the thread at the community noticeboard, figured I'd chuck a suggestion in. See what you think, and comment at Wikipedia:Community sanction noticeboard#User:Asgardian. Cheers. Hiding Talk 18:31, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
I just had to revert a bunch of Ultimate X-Men characters that were recreated by User:Miharakamikazi. A list could be found on their contribution page. Can you edit protect those pages to prevent this nonsense from coming back? -- 69.177.242.99 22:48, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
It was mostly just typos, additions, and wording fixes — nothing that can really be struck out. I have a rather bad habit of trying to add comments or fix issues after posting for some reason. Originally, I wanted to add something about "fictional databases" of characters, terms etc. that don't provide any real-world context to WP:NOT. Users felt that such a treatment belongs at WP:FICT, not WP:NOT, so here I am. My goal is for all these endless lists of in-universe information to be merged and/or shipped to other Wikis, but not deleted (I don't like deletion of this sort of material), or for them to be turned into actual encyclopedia articles (like how List of Final Fantasy VIII characters was turned into Characters of Final Fantasy VIII). If you agree, what would you consider to be a good solution? — Deckill er 18:33, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
In the rewrite, though, I tried to establish that articles that don't meet such standards should be given time to develop and should only be deleted as a last resort (if a merge, transwiki, or other option is unavailable). The goal was to make the standard clear but also make deletionist look like the simple/easy way out. — Deckill er 19:53, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
Got any examples? I've kept an eye on them as they've been created and think most are fine - I've checked through and there are quite a few I'd like to see expanded (and some that need heavy reformatting) but few where few support a merge (a bit like merging a handful of relevant entries to "DC comics mini-series" - you could do it but it'd be messy). Also, as you know, I object to the term "strips" ;) ( Emperor 20:52, 29 June 2007 (UTC))
Hi, I'd like to hear you opinion on the following debate. ( Merging Alternate Versions of Characters) -- 69.182.78.104 05:37, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
Am I right in thinking I may have just taken Troll bait? - J Greb 05:03, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
It's always good to hear from you, even when I make a mistake. (How else does one learn?) Let me ask, since I guess I misread or misremembered, and I couldn't find it just now, but wasn't there a guideline at some point saying official go under References (as opposed to External links)?
The wiki thing at WP:EL seems vague now that I re-read it: Disallowed are "links to open wikis, except those with a substantial history of stability and a substantial number of editors." I'm pretty sure the policy is that, for instance, IMDb always goes under Ext links and not Refs. Does that ring a bell, or am I already in early stages of senility? :- ) Thanks for any help! And again, it's great to have you back. -- Tenebrae 22:53, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
I just wanted to ask why you deleted the wikipedia page for N Visible Records. This is a real record label, and it is my business. We have several releases, and you can also find our music on itunes. We have sold over 20,000 CDs, and done concerts with our artists all over the country in New York, LA, Chicago, Georgia, Toronto, Montreal, and Manchester TN to name a few. If you do a google search you will find several links to N Visible Records related sites. Please consider reinstating this piece of information on Wikipedia. If it doesn't happen as a wikipedia entry now, it will happen when we sell more records. Thank you for your consideration.
Ben Garvey President N Visible Records nvisiblerecords@gmail.com www.nvisiblerecords.com 161.150.2.58 00:04, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
Blatant advertising. Pages which exclusively promote a company, product, group, service, or person and which would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become encyclopedic. Note that simply having a company, product, group, service, or person as its subject does not qualify an article for this criterion; an article that is blatant advertising should have inappropriate content as well.
On Wikipedia, we have a few guidelines to guide us in writing articles, and I think two that probably serve here are Conflict of interestwhich discusses editing involves contributing to Wikipedia in order to promote yourself or the interests of other individuals, companies, or groups; and notability guidance for organizations and companies which helps determine whether an organization (commercial or otherwise) is a valid subject for a Wikipedia article.
Now if you want the article restored at this point, then let me know and I'll happily list it at deletion review, and it can be discussed, and if the community agrees, it can be restored. However, I think it might be more prudent to wait until you do sell more records, and thus gain more coverage in the media. Wikipedia has grown so large now, and being an encyclopedia rather than a general internet resource, that we've had to implement such guidances as I have explained, and mainly what we are trying to implement are our five core content policies, namely that information be verifiable, that information not be made up or form a novel presentation, that information be presented in a balanced manner, along with the policies that determine what we are not and what we do not want. I hope that helps. Good luck with the business. Hiding Talk 12:41, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
Pretty sure you're still watching the RfC for Asgardian, but just in case...
User:Lots42 posted to the RfC with a concern about Asgardian's conduct on Wonder Man. I've posted a reply to the RfC, but it looks like the exact same conduct that others have been complaining about.
- J Greb 07:08, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
I've kept thinking things over and come up with a more elegant solution (although I bear in mind this might have been what you were aiming at in the first place ;) ) which could be used for other publishers (and would technically probably be more in line with general guidelines than some current lists). It came up on a discussion on how to deal with some of the DC comics series [18] and the solution works for the 2000 AD titles. Rather than just a collection of merged entries that might not be enough to support their own entry (at the moment) have something like 2000 AD titles with sections for each title. Where the entry is solid you can use Template:Main to link to it and when it currently isn't they can be merged into the entry. It might be that this needs to be broken down into say ""2000 AD titles A-M" as there are a lot (see e.g. this [19]). It would a fix for those DC Thomson comics (although for a lot the titles sections can be kept in the main entry) and the same approach would help fix up entries that seem "messy" for example List of Wildstorm titles which could be broken down with a "Wildstorm Universe titles" entry, one on the signature series and expand the Homage Comics entry. It'd move to a more prose approach and avoid excessive listiness. Over listiness is a bit of a concern about some other publishers entries (like Dark Horse Comics and IDW Publishing which are nearly all list) and expanding the titles sections (and/or splitting them off) with a paragraph on each (and Main linking to the main entries where they exist) would make the entries much more solid. It'd also mean people can expand the section on a title, add sources and then see if it is worth splitting off which would be a much better approach than just throwing out the entry and seeing if it flies (which would then tend to lead to entries on comic titles/mini-series getting a good solid start and not falling afoul of the future WP:FICT guidelines and if it did there would be a quick and simple solution - expand it or merge it back into the list). So that'd be a solution I could get behind. It is straightforward and fairly neat and would address a series of concerns about a variety of comic entries as well as potentially leading to comic series/mini-series entries getting the best possible start. Thoughts? ( Emperor 13:48, 9 July 2007 (UTC))
Saw that you were interested in this topic. Was wondering about the Awards given out. Wanted to add them for each year but am becoming confused by different things said in different articles. Care to help? BiAndBi 23:09, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
Just a point of interest... Net's change here did cite cultural impact, not time from first publishing. - J Greb 05:54, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
Re: Blood Brothers...I understand you are trying to keep the peace, but above and beyond the article doesn't such a move have to be formally ratified? By this logic, all the comic articles should have one generic entry that combines PH and FCB. Big call...
Asgardian 09:28, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
Hi, Hiding. We can make it "working on" -- no biggie. It's just that since many graphic novels are the work of a separate writer and artist, and since I, just for one example, didn't know if Talbot was a writer or a writer-artist, I honestly didn't know what "working on" meant. "Working on" also suggested to me that it wasn't finished, whereas "wrote and drew" was clearer to me both in that sense and in what he actually did. As you said, though, it's not a factual or a WPC-style point, but a semantic one. You're the more experienced Wikipedian between the two of us, so I'll go with whichever you choose. Cheers! -- Tenebrae 20:02, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
I have enormous respect for everything you've brought and continue to bring to WikiProject Comics — you know that. That's why it was only with equally enormous trepidation I changed your Blood Brothers edit. I know I take a great risk in doing so, in terms of good will and credibility. I'm just concerned, and I believe it's a very legitimate concern, that if we unilaterally merge the PH anad FCB sections here, in contradiction to Wikipedia:WikiProject Comics/exemplars#Comic book characters, that this will throw WPC into disarray. There will no longer be a bright-line guideline, and every comic-book character article will be an arguable judgment call as to whether it "deserves" separate sections or a merged section.
Perhaps this ought to be discussed on the Exemplars talk page before such a sea change takes place. What do you think? Your friend, -- Tenebrae 15:26, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
I've replied on my talk page, just a heads up in case you're not watching it. SamBC 15:44, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
Do you think it is good judgment to threaten blocks with identical messages to five people? I find it highly offensive that you would accuse five people of "edit warring" for good-faith edits using form letters. I don't know about the other edits to the page, but mine were minor, and if you think they qualify as "edit warring" per WP:EW, then you consider "repeatedly" to mean "once." I think you owe all of us an apology. BenB4 15:46, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
Threatening an established editor with with a block for implementing a consensus edit is deeply disturbing. Are you saying you get to decide what is consensus over respected established editors of a page? Please refrain from setting yourself up as judge jury and jail-keeper. WAS 4.250 16:46, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
I replied on my talk page. If you check the edit history carefully, I was following the instructions of the unprotecting admin to the letter. - Crockspot 16:53, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
Form-letter advisory: Apparently, you've placed a "form-letter" type advisory on my discussion page advising against "edit warring". Although I appreciate your efforts to inform contributors of reasonable expectations regarding WP policy and modifications thereto, I can assure you I have taken quite consistent steps in both incrementally discussing, obtaining assent for, and carefully substantiating my (relatively minimal) direct actions regarding WP policy.
Moreover, the apparent action that triggered your form-letter advisory was this edit ( [21]), which did not constitute a substantive change, but rather was a good-faith restoration of the prior terms of the policy (pending discussion), and was immediately substantiated with a specific and simple explanation on the relevant talk page.
I am well aware that there has been some recent contention around the page in question. A close examination will reveal that, quite opposite from "warring", my single edit was simply a narrowly-tailored and specific request for contributors to protect the internal consistency of the language in WP policy; regardless of however that language happens to evolve through the proper application of discussion, review and consensus.
Given that I have not even taken a "side" (other than the side of logical consistency) in any recent or pending dispute, your advisory seems non-relevant (even though well-intentioned). Consequently, unless you have any clarification you would like to present, I intend to remove your message from my discussion page entirely. Thank you, best regards to you, and best wishes in you ongoing participation with Wikipedia. dr.ef.tymac 17:54, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
I just wanted to say that I'm sorry if I reacted harshly to your form letter. I think it wasn't the best way to deal with the situation, but I believe it was well-intentioned, and I want to thank you for trying to sort the situation out. SamBC 21:43, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
Thank you Hiding...I mean that...thank you. I will keep [22] link wherein you state: "We have a policy which states we can ignore rules to the betterment of the encyclopedia, and in my opinion my version better suits the official guidelines and policies". I'll remember it well the next time an overzealous editor attempts to steer a discussion towards his selective application of guidelines and policies without "discussing bright clear lines and what this or that article merits". It is interesting that a more established editor such as Tenebrae has entered your crosshairs, and even more interesting at the reaction from several above on something I noticed several months ago. Regards and take care. Netkinetic (t/ c/ @) 04:01, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
Hi. I tried copyediting a section in The Devil's Rejects article, and every time I do so, it blanks everything below it, even though there was not size notice in the Edit page. Can you assist?
Also, the post above this one caught my attention, and I ended up doing some reading, and I have to say that I'm perplexed" Ignore all rules???? It's one thing to say that rules have to be applied with logic, common sense and situational individuality, but ignoring them? Isn't that a bit extreme, at least in the wording? I read the pages on that policy, and I just don't get it. How can common sense, improvement to an article, etc., trump any sort of application of the rules? Can you give an example of a legitimate edit that constituted an ignoring of all the rules??? Thanks. Nightscream 02:02, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
Hiding, could I ask you please not to unprotect V again (or any other protected policy)? It's the second time you've done it without discussion, and on both occasions the result was that it needed to be protected again. Please allow the protecting admins to decide. A week isn't a long time to keep a core policy protected, because they need to be stable and shouldn't be edited much anyway. Many thanks, SlimVirgin (talk) (contribs) 19:44, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
Hi,
At some point you expressed an interest in supporting meta:Wikimedia UK. We're now ready to begin receiving applications from prospective members. If you would like to join, application forms and further information can be found at: http://www.wikimedia.org.uk/join. Feel free to ask me if you have any questions, either via my user page at the English Wikipedia or by email (andrew.walker@wikimedia.org.uk).
Thanks, Andreww 14:49, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
(Membership officer, Wikimedia UK)
Hello! I hope you are feeling great! Anyway, I would like to have your expert help with regards to a template. For further information, please view this page. I hope that you will be able to fix this minor problem, so as to achieve greater consistency in this project. -- S iva1979 Talk to me 15:26, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
Someone removed your PROD from Dustland with a note that they'd expand the entry but the PROD has expired. Not sure what you want to do about that but I thought I'd give you a heads up ;) ( Emperor 20:57, 25 July 2007 (UTC))
1) Where can I read up on doing references better? You know, the little HTML you click on and it takes you to the bottom of the article and it says 'Spiderman #442 July 9 Whatever'
2) What is the right amount of references in a comic book article?
3) Is it frowned upon to delete disruptive comments off your own topic page?
4) I did get all verklempt and I did do a full revert on Asgardian's changes on the Wrecking Crew article. Was the reverting in and of itself a bad thing? I know, I should have stepped away from the whole mess for a while. Acting while ticked off is never a good thing, even if the results are nuetral.
5) When I make a comment on a discussion page, do I need to make a little summary in the box that usually appears down below?
Anywho, thanks in advance, the Wiki explanation articles are quite overwhelming. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lots42 ( talk • contribs) 19:03, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
I have been placing comments for all edits in the Summary. They are all valid and correct. I think that this supposed indiscretion is in fact simply a difference of opinion as to what is major and minor. I regard image play and rearranging large tracts of text to be major, not the removal of incorrect information in a conversational and unsourced POV tone. If you consider "minor" to be simply grammar, numbers etc. then so be it. That's minor. However, this is hardly "earth shaking". A simple note on the Talk Page would have sufficed.
Further to this, it would appear that once again all the "good editing" that I have been doing has been conveniently ignored, which even extends to rewriting substandard articles lacking information or reeking of fan-fuelled POV (eg. Blacklash and Infinity Gauntlet).
Also, the claim that I am practicing WP:OWN and WP:DISRUPT is untrue.
As to WP:OWN, see Hyperion and Black Bolt, where I not only accepted (as we all should) new information on articles I have written but also did a slight tidy up to improve it. But, there it stays. It is only when incorrect/POV/unsourced/ information appears that I will pull it, and as promised leave a note in the Summary. As for WP:DISRUPT, it would be a disruption if I left no comments...which I did. They are all accurate.
I also draw your attention to the comments which I took the time to post on user Lots42 page, as he asked me a direct question. I also addressed the rather immature comment made by user 204.153.84.10. User Lots42 then chose to delete my comment, claming it was the beginning of a flame war, which for my part was not. You can still see my response on the page, and an additional comment by user 204.153.84.10, who is clearly not objective and is hiding behind a number (who is this person?).
I was happy to discuss the matter with Lots42 further, but he has had a "knee-jerk" reaction as opposed to asking for more detail, which I would have given. On an aside, the comments stand - the edits were subjective POV, too conversational and lacked sources. This is not Wikipedia practice.
I also find J. Greb's comment to be in bad faith. The very title "Yup...again" says as much. I would like to kindly suggest that my fellow posters show both civility and good faith, which has not always been evident. This type of behaviour has been adminished by some of my peers, but unfortunately, seems to go unnoticed by moderators.
To conclude, I believe objectivity seems to have "left the building." There now appears to a small "lynch mob" that in Doczilla's own words is acting like a " probation officer waiting to bust him". I will make the odd mistake from time to time - as will everyone else - but this should not an opportunity for someone to instantly pounce. Look at the last dozen Edits I have made - have they improved Wikipedia or not?
I still like the idea of a "monitor" who can watch for any possible breaches. Both Doczilla and Netkinetic have shown objectivity and made valid comments in this capacity.
Asgardian —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.134.161.236 ( talk • contribs) 02:59, 7 July 2007 (UTC).
You wanted clarification if receipt of tax credits, a state benefit, confers eligibility for concessionary membership. As I've answered on my talk page (for now, I'll build that list of FAQ's soon), it does make the recipient eligible for the reduced rate. Andreww 08:17, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
Hi, Hiding. Listen, I tried adding a source to the Midnighter article, one that I used twice in the article, and I tried to use the "ref name" tag in order to make it show up just once in the References section with the a-b-c thingee, but I must've done something wrong, because it shows up instead as the first and third source, and the third one is blank. I tried checking the notes that I keep on how to format these things, and I can't see where I went wrong. Can you tell me where I screwed up? Thanks. Nightscream 03:10, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for uploading or contributing to Image:2000AD_First_Edition.png. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in Wikipedia articles constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use. Suggestions on how to do so can be found here.
Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. Using one of the templates at Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to ensure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.
If you have uploaded other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on those pages too. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on the " my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that any non-free media lacking such an explanation will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. Videmus Omnia Talk 03:38, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
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Thanks for all you do, particularly Wikipedia:Fun ~ Infrangible 01:47, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
Howdy! It's been a while since I ran in to you, I hope things are going well for you Wiki-wise as well as otherwise. Anyway, after my unsuccessful nomination for adminship several weeks ago you had mentioned you might want to help with a nomination should I decide to try again. I've been considering the idea again recently and may throw my hat into the ring once more, and since you'd mentioned it I thought I ought to run the idea by you. Hopefully I haven't made any major mistakes since then and have improved as an editor.
Either way, I do hope all is well with you. Happy editing! ɑʀк ʏɑɴ 22:39, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
Hi there. I was just curious as to if anything ever happened with the dispute with User:Dsmith1usa in Politico-media complex? I had referred the WP:WQA on that dispute to another forum, since it didn't appear I could help any further. Never heard anything more about it, so I just wanted to find out how things went. — KieferSkunk ( talk) — 19:13, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
Is the Truth 'wikibonk'ty you again yet?
Dsmith1usa 11:16, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
I suggest to all of us, "It is in our best interests to move along ...,"
... before you get yourself in further trouble.
[Statutes to be appended. But funny enough, can't get 'threatening' laws on-line. N'mind, I've got the law books anyway. You will have (criminal) statute.]
Yes welle, the soone doo'n dette...
Dsmith1usa 11:21, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
Dsmith1usa 14:23, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
Hi, Hiding. Listen, for some reason, everything past the Cast table in The Real World: Hawaii article does not show up in the article, including the Ref section. I figured it might be a reference source tag accidentally left unbracketed, but I can't find one. Can you help? Thanks. Nightscream 05:43, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
Hiding could we get your input here? Cheers. ( Emperor 14:56, 22 August 2007 (UTC))
My final, final (!) response to KeiferSkunk et. al.:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dsmith1usa#Public_Order_Act_.281986.29
Dsmith1usa 10:47, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
Please, please, ... start the machine. We all need, all of us, more 'spectacles.'
Do exhibit yourselves ...
Dsmith1usa 14:48, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
So you are in the loop since I directed User:Neil to you. Please see the block logs here and here, the history here, and the comparison here.
Now pardon me while I duck the expected flaming for bringing this to the attention of the Admins that have been involved in this debacle. - J Greb 00:51, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
Hi, I was told to perhaps give the idea a second chance.
What do you think? -- Cat chi? 17:26, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
User:Freak104 keeps merging Hulk 2099 into Alternate versions of Hulk without any type of discussion. Can you please revert and lock the pages? -- 69.183.15.244 19:44, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
User:Freak104 may also be using a wp:sockpuppet with User:66.189.137.113 based on boths obsession with my talk page and when User:66.189.137.113 blanked nearly the entire talk page here [24] so that it only supported Freak104's stance on the discussion. -- 69.183.15.244 23:53, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
User:Freak104 keeps merging Doom 2099 with discussion to Alternate versions of Doctor Doom without any protection. In the case of Doom and Hulk, the editor in question is approaching the 3 revert rule. 66.109.248.114 22:46, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
I don't know if you've been following the ups and downs with Asgardian, but he's at it again over at Whizzer. I've popped a note on the talks of Neil, last admin to deal with Asgardian, and Jc73, who handled the Whizzer RfC, and a synopsis of what just happened is here: Talk:Whizzer#Today's edit.
I'm looking for suggestions as to who/where to take this now.
Thanks - J Greb 19:18, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the reminder. I usually prod articles while working in the Wikipedia:Dead-end pages project and I' m checking many pages very fast. I added a reason after your comment. Friendly, Magioladitis 23:19, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
Twice now you've accused my nominations for deletion in bad faith, stating that they're simply due to WP:IDONTLIKEIT. Please assume good faith and comment on content instead of editors' motives. Thanks. / Blaxthos 15:36, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
Hi, I forgot if it was you I already informed by e-mail or someone else, but I've found the article you requested at the Newspaper and magazine request service (now Resource Exchange). If you could send me your e-mail address, then I'll mail you a scan of the article. I now this is a late reaction, but I'm trying to revive the project. Hope the article is still of use to you. Key to the city 16:46, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
Just wondering if you had any input on this (discussion continues on the Notice Board talk page) - it could prove interesting and even out the quality of some of the important articles as well as bumping some others up a bit too. Obviously your input is always appreciated ;) ( Emperor 19:52, 10 October 2007 (UTC))
Did you mean Wikipedia in general or the Comics WikiProject? If the latter, where have we gone wrong in your eyes? - jc37 20:03, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
I'm in a better place than I could be, so I'm guessing I'm in a fairly good mood. I tend to keep my comments tight and not drift so much, it's the article space which is important. Also, if you don't say so much, people can't use it against you. And I got fed up being a referee, and all that goes with it. I haven't had it as bad as some admins, but I have reached my limit with the trolling. I'm also noticing that my peer group, or what I consider to be my peer group, is slowly drifting away. So maybe it just happens. But most of all, like I say, I think my view of what Wikipedia is no longer fits with where the project actually is. Hiding Talk 13:05, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
I thought that you might like to know that here the proposer of a new project which has the stated objective of actively restoring trivia sections to articles stated your closing of the poll was done, and I quote, by the ""closing" editor, who was not working on behalf of any known Wikipedia process, noted a 62% majority as reason to make the guideline." If you feel that you would have any reason to comment on this matter, I don't imagine anyone would have any objections to your clarifying your own actions or making any other statements you might deem reasonable. John Carter 20:37, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
You previously mentioned you had done some work on creating taskforces/workgroups and it has come up in relation to the comic strip project (which has gone inactive and is up for a merge - if merged it'd be a good idea to make it a workgroup) [25]. I know you are currently working elsewhere and if you point me in the right direction I'll see what I can do about getting such things up and running. Thanks again for all your efforts. ( Emperor 14:06, 17 October 2007 (UTC))
I think your warning is misplaced. Here you can see that even Asgardian was accepting of the image I was restoring, one which earlier in that same section, had found consensus to be used. The other image lacked certain criteria for comic infobox images, per the Comics Wikiproject. My explanations continued throughout, I used the talk to explain, and again find consensus with one ofthe editors, and so on. This was not a case of edit warring, which usually is little more than shouting "I'm right" in summaries while ignoring the talk page. Instead, I used talk to work with others, and gave clear reasons why. Asgardian and I used the talk, and he agreed with me that the older image had consensus and would be acceptable to him, thus enlarging the consensus. Although Asgardian's hit multiple articles with this, I think you jumped the gun on accusing any of the three of us on that article. I think that had DCIncarnate returned to the page, he would've seen the talk page discussions as well, and likely been fine with it, or responded with reasons; I've seen his edits around before, he's not the sort to thoroughly blow off talk pages to get 'his version'. Further, adding such a warning a full 18 hours after the last relevant edit was made seems a rather long delay. ThuranX 11:40, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
You deleted this article on 10th October on the grounds that Ashley Miller is no a renowned photographer. I don't recall putting this in the article. I certainly agree with you that she is not a renowned photographer. However as a renowned artist, the page i wrote should not have been deleted. Please restore and I shall ammend the entry. From user Nickamery 12:29, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
Not a problem. You are one of the most knowledgeable, fair-minded and responsible editors and admins I've encountered in my two-plus years on Wikipedia. I know you were only doing your job without favoritism, and that it was boilerplate warning text. Your follow-up only reinforces my high opinion of you. And too little of you we've seen lately, BTW! With warm wishes as always, -- Tenebrae 16:10, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
I moved the merger discussion section to the page I made the link to, so, in fact, the link on the Superman project talk page was accurate. Just letting you know. John Carter 16:26, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
I'm sorry to bother you with this. It's the same thing once more here at Speed Demon (Marvel Comics), where no matter how many other editors disagree with him, he just keeps coming back and reverting in order to, I believe, just wear us out.
He has promised in the past not to edit war, and he never lives up to his promise. I don't know what to do anymore. -- Tenebrae 18:37, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
- If he reverts any article more than once per 24 hour period or more than 2 times in any 7 day period or more than 3 times in any 30 day period then brief blocks could follow, up to a week in the event of repeat offenses. After 5 blocks the maximum block shall increase to one month, and after 10 blocks increase to six months.
Hiding, feel free to forward this to DRV. If you can find sufficient non-trivial references (I mention that because many of the articles found by Google Archive seem to be passing mentions), then I'll !vote overturn as well. Cheers, Caknuck 17:16, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
Its what all the ladies say ;)
I just say it and thought it worth dropping a few into the main articles and let them trickle down. It might be worth tasking a bot to remove the Webcomics header and drop in the workgroup link if that is possible (ditto the Batman one I suppose). It'd be the most efficient way of doing it.
Anyway great work. The only thing I noticed was all entries were getting the information about B-class rating which might be a bit confusing. I'm sure you have it in hand and it was the only thing I spotted - everything else seems to be working smoothly. Well done. ( Emperor 15:14, 26 October 2007 (UTC))
The comic was recently moved when the name, Warrior (comics), was fine while the new name (comic book) is less so but I can't seem to undo the move which is odd - any idea what I'm doing wrong? ( Emperor 21:34, 27 October 2007 (UTC))
Thank you for supporting my recent RfA. It was successful, and I was promoted to Administrator today. I appreciate the support! — KieferSkunk ( talk) — 23:10, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
Hello Hiding. I've unprotected this article. It was protected for quite some time so it's okay to unprotected and see if the war is over (or, if at least the warrying parties will commit to keep discussing rather than start making unilateral changes right away). Best regards, Hús ö nd 18:57, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
Not a biggie but unassessed articles are going into a redlinked cat - seems the categories that were sketched out are named "article" and the redlinks are to "articles". I've made the Marvel one workable and you can see the issue here: Category:Unassessed-Class comics articles by work group. Easily fixed - if you pick one I'll sort them out. I'm just not sure which is the preferred naming. ( Emperor 01:42, 1 November 2007 (UTC))
Re: If such things were allowed, I'd transfer my admin powers to you -- for some reason, that gave me a chuckle when I read it. And regardless of how serious that was or wasn't, thanks for saying so. As for the frustration thing, I don't actually get frustrated very easily. There are times when I have to decide to get frustrated and to express it because it seems useful for the situation -- maybe not for the short run but for longer-term considerations. Sometimes it's better to look unreasonable than to look like a pushover. Knowing when frustration needs to be expressed in a virtual environment like this is trickier than real life because of the lack of body language, so you have to use trial and error to see when it works. Sometimes it turns out to have been the wrong way to go. You can't know until you try. Among the many reasons I'm not sure if I want to be an administrator is because right now, I can pick and choose how reasonable I need to be. Although I've never vented to the point of asking someone anything remotely like "Are you totally deranged?", I can still test out some "emotive language" (as Asgardian put it 13 months ago) that I don't think I ought to use as an admin.
There's no rush. Right now, I want to spend some time working on what I consider to be some of my weak points, which is a good exercise regardless of any RfA. For example, I've seen people vote against admin nominees because of a lack of experience with images, and I do very little with images, mainly because I like working with words. As I recall, the only picture I've ever added is of George Romero from last summer's Comic-Con. And I really need to use more of the tools already available to us like VP before anyone makes the case that I need admin tools.
Again, thanks, Hiding.
Take care,
"Doc" Doczilla 20:18, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
After discovering the edit history at Awesome Android, I've initiated a request for arbitration myself at Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration#Comic book characters. I'm letting you know because I mention the rfc you created as one of the dispute resolution methods tried. Hiding Talk 16:30, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
So... just so I'm straight on what happens next... it's up to Asgardian and Tenebrae to comment then for other involved, but not named editors, such as myself, BOZ, Doczilla, Net, etc, to chime in? - J Greb 22:10, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
Both parties have made statements at Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration#Comic book characters. Hiding Talk 21:50, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
Oh, I wasn't saying there's no point to the case. I'm just saying that, after all this time, I'm skeptical (probably more pessimistic actually) as to what it will actually accomplish. I do realize that there have been times when outsiders have asked why there haven't been more blocks, more reports, etc., to establish the need for intervention. Given the history, I doubt this arbitration case will fix everything, so I'm asking both Tenebrae and Asgardian what they each really think will have to happen. Aside from pointing out what anyone has done wrong in the past, where do they each think this needs to go in the future? Doczilla 18:36, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
I've been looking over Category:Lists of superheroes and can't figure out why List of Jewish superheroes appears in italics. I can't find anything on either page or the redirect page that would make that happen. Doczilla 22:23, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
Hi Hiding, I'm replying per your comments on the Batman talk page. I have been doing a long-term revamp of the page in the past year (sometimes working it out on a user page, sometimes not) in order to spruce up what I felt was at the time a lackluster article that did not adhere to current FA standards. I've done a lot since then. The reworking of the "Skills, resources, and abilities" page was one of the last things to go, and I am about halfway done with that on my user page. However, as I have related to Doczilla on his talk page, with the recent talk page debates about section headings and listing every Batman writer and all that (which I feel miss the point of what I was trying to do for months and instead focused on irrelevant minute) I've decided to step back from working on the article for the time being due to frustration. I do plan to continue fixing up the article in the future, but I don't know when. WesleyDodds 01:13, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
Not sure I'm with you on the move of the clean-up to be a sub-page of the noticeboard, for me it would be a top level page. Also, on the {{ WPCMC}}, you've hidden the workgroups in the resources section, I'd rather have it shown. It looks like we're starting to tread on each others toes a bit, I was planning on running through that to add templates, so I guess this is the part where we start talking. :) I had been planning to archive the notice board, but I saw you split it off into sub-pages, which is another way to go. Hiding Talk 18:42, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
Hello,
An Arbitration case involving you has been opened: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Asgardian-Tenebrae. Please add any evidence you may wish the Arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Asgardian-Tenebrae/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Asgardian-Tenebrae/Workshop.
On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, Newyorkbrad 15:38, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
I really hate picking on anyone by "name" but Bluecatcinema won't respond to the notices I put on his/her page, but is stubbornly continuing to insert unsourced Amalgam character information into articles. Maybe it would help if someone else would offer a comment asking if the person would please stop adding such information while we're discussing this at WikiProject Comics and to contribute to that discussion. Doczilla 17:55, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
We're pretty much discussed out regarding the move of the above page. The general consensus is that Vertigo (imprint) is more future proof but Vertigo (comics) is perhaps in line with guidance. You're the only one who strongly argued against imprint, so if you could pop back in and maybe we can get the whole thing squared away? Hiding Talk 10:36, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
There seems to be some miscommunication at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Comixtalk. I think I answered your question by saying "We can't write a neutral article based on press releases." Maybe you have a good idea for merging this that I don't see yet, but I don't see how, without better sources, we can merge this into any other article without giving this undue weight compared to every other blog that has written about itself an/ore recieved minimal press mentions. And I don't think we ought to have an article that is the equivalent of List of web sites that have issued press releases or anything. Does that make sense? Again, maybe you have a great idea for a way of merging this in a neutral manner, but I don't see it yet, so maybe you could articulate your merger vision more clearly. Until then, I probably won't see a way to cover this topic in a neutral manner without better sources. I'd hate to see all the non-neutral/incorrect information about "webcomics community" "screaming for a centralized hub" and "the first online publication primarily focused on webcomics" jammed into some other article. Does that make sense? Or do you still need to keep asking the same question without answering mine? -- Dragonfiend 13:59, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
I noted your reverts of my cn tag placement in the article, and it appears you were correct in removing some of them. However, while WP:LEAD says to try and avoid citations in the Lead, it doesn't banish them altogether; I should know, I fought long and hard to have them removed completely, and was unsuccessful. Therefore, I know that avoiding citations in the Lead requires one of two things - either stating things in a general enough manner that the statemetns aren't likely to be be questioned/contested, or to break the rules and ignore the rules altogether. I cited what needed citing. This edit removed citation tags asking for verification of information that either did not appear in the article or wasn't cited within the article. Your next two reverts I am willing to concede might provide satisfactory information about the book (though not enough for the listed artists). Your last revert draws attention to the idea that all of the events descrbed in the ensuing passage all occured within the same issue - and they did not. This is why it seems fairly important that, when plot points develop, to cite a reference point inthe comic. You are free to discuss the matter in the article discussion page, but I have reverted the two instances I have drawn attention to here. - Arcayne (cast a spell) 17:59, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
Do you fancy pointing over at Category talk:Lists of superheroes. I asked Doc his thoughts on all the lists and he's posted there, and I think there's some substance in what he says. Hiding Talk 21:30, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
I just want to say that this ( Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Wikipedia:Requests for adminship#View by Hiding) was well said. Very well said. I'm not going to get involved, because I haven't read, nor do I have time to read, many of the other arguments, but you've already convinced me. FerralMoonrender ( MyTalk • MyContribs • EmailMe) 01:37, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
Hindsight is a very useful thing. Granted the information you had at the time, your decision was perfectly reasonable - trust me, no hard feelings from me. Thanks for the note - it was totally unexpected. -- Tawker 06:15, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
Now you know how I felt about RFA/Carcaroth (grin) - jc37 20:28, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
Hi. On Nov 8 you merged the Ballistic (DC comics) article into the Bloodlines article. I was wondering why it was merged and what I needed to do to get it back as an individual article. I'm new and inexperienced at this so your help with this would be appreciated. My user name is kyletheobald. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kyletheobald ( talk • contribs) 05:02, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
Hi Hiding,
Thanks for taking the time to stop by my talk page and comment about my speedy closure of the Rincewind AfD yesterday. I don't think you're out of date or missing anything--the section on non-admin closings states very clearly that non-admin closes are welcomed during backlogs. My choice to close it early citing WP:SNOW was primarily motivated by the fact that the discussion had started taking a bit of a nasty turn, with new commenters adding disparaging comments about the nominator and the sole dissenting voice being effectively shouted down. Although I'm sure an administrator would have come along sooner or later, I decided to be bold and put things to a stop before any real accusations started flying.
But your point is well-taken, and I won't be doing any more early non-admin closures.
As for your other question, I have considered running for admin, and I've decided it's something I'd like to do. However, I've also read enough RfA backlogs to know that I probably wouldn't have a shot if I ran now, and since I don't want to get ahead of myself, I've put myself on editor review to get some feedback on how I'm doing overall instead. So hopefully after some reviews and admin coaching I'll be a bit more certain of where I am in terms of knowledge about how this place works; when that happens, then hopefully you'll drop by my RfA to put in your two cents :)
Thanks again for the helpful advice! -- jonny-mt( t)( c) Tell me what you think! 09:37, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
Hey, were you doing anything interesting with them? Not that I mind of course, I'm just curious :) It was a skin that I was trying to create (and it needs the corresponding .js file) but I've abandoned it for the moment because I couldn't get the layout right. -- DatRoot 15:29, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
Regarding this, [30], see this, [31]. That's why it is a good idea to keep localised copies of your talk page messages. :) Hiding Talk 15:04, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
...but what doe we do with shite like this - User talk:J Greb#Phil Sandifer heads up - ?
Thanks - J Greb 03:33, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
Per User_talk:Hiding/Archive 2007#Oh, also - I responded there : ) - jc37 07:47, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
Template:Agf1 has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. Qst 15:57, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
Hi Hiding, I was back on wikipedia for a stroll, and saw that my translation of fr:Naissance d'un album de Tintin has disappeared. Do you know why ? Lvr ( talk) 23:16, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
Since you asked . . .
I had to use Google to find the answer to your question. I wasn't sure which discussion that came up in, but I distinctly remembered using the phrase "Wait a minute" when it occurred to me what he'd said, so that made it easy to find. In Rogue reverter, won't listen or respond, he made this comment:
I responded to something else entirely before those words struck me. My reply:
That was eleven months ago, and it was about one specific disruptive action. He never directly said that any of the rest of it was or was not an experiment. Doczilla ( talk) 23:29, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
Sorry to pass in here out of the blue, but I saw the topic at the pump. I looked at the afd debate, and, having read the comments at the afd, I have to say I can see no discussion, no-one is engaging and looking to build consensus, and the one objection has not been addressed. I'm also disturbed that you state at the pump you gave the opinions expressed by the admins in the debate greater weight. Admins are simply editors who become admins when using admin tools. If they aren't using the tools or discussing actions resulting from using the tools, they are just editors and their opinions are worth the same as every other editor. I'd take more care when closing afds, it's hard working out the contentious ones but that's what admins are trusted by the community to do. Hiding Talk 21:58, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the note. I'll check through the category this evening and see how the land lies. It may be the redirects are fine but personally I'd rather deal with things on a case-by-case basis (or relevant block of pages if they exist like the Planetary characters) but again I don't think there is a right or wrong answer to all this, just different ways of getting the "best" result for everyone. after all there are many paths to enlightenment. ;) ( Emperor 16:47, 12 November 2007 (UTC))
Is there canvassing in operation here too?
If you mean as far as the DRV goes?
I think so.
Whispe
ring
14:57, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
Thank you very much for that very nice reply! I wish there more people like you on Wikipedia! -- 69.22.254.111 ( talk) 23:54, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
I think you might want to rephrase the section Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Asgardian-Tenebrae/Workshop#User Tenebrae on civility parole for one year one way or another, as the title refers to Tenebrae but the statement itself only mentions Asgardian. John Carter ( talk) 16:46, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for your concern. Didn't actually notice I was starting to tread in talkspace pages, so I will stay to mainspace as my AWB is programmed. — E talk BAG 10:52, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
I'm here to apologise for my unnecessary questioning on your rename request at WP:CHU. I was out of order, so I ask for your forgiveness on this matter. I completely understand if you wish to revert this. Best wishes, — Qst 15:41, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
Your real name still appears in a couple of spots on this page and your user page. -- GentlemanGhost ( talk) 19:04, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
Given that your suggested title for the result of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Derrial Book is Characters of Firefly, shouldn't the recommend list include List of minor characters in the Firefly universe? In fact, it seems that it would make sense to move that article to provide a starting point, then merge the others. Just my 2 cents. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 16:26, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
You're not very good at playing hide 'n' seek, are you? Doczilla ( talk) 11:05, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
He he -- re the continuing argument on what Wikipedia's priorities should be and are --
- Time for someone to address a problem with
Rio Rita/
Femforce mentioned on
Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Comics: 25 minutes.
- Time for someone to address other problems in subjects of literature, history, and science that I've previously posted: Days, weeks, or (most often) never.
-- Have a good one! --
201.37.229.117 (
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11:29, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
Very kind. I don't think we've met before? Durova Charge! 14:52, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
Hey, I was looking at policy pages, essays and the like while constructing an argument and happened across a message of yours that I think you'll find bitterly humorous:
Thanks for pointing me to the manual of style, I hadn't read it before. Sorry for my changes to the Comics article I did without first reading it. RedZionX ( talk) 02:15, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
Hi. I like what you did with the article, but I just wanted to let you know that 3 of teh external links do not resolve properly, and one of these, to tcj.com, appears three times in the article. If you want any more information, just let me know. Danny ( talk) 12:09, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
Also look at this and this . Danny ( talk) 12:46, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
I'm looking for a bit of help "arm-twisting" someone. (though with a smile : )
I think you're looking for a different shortcut here. Forgive me if I'm wrong, and forgive me for intruding either way. Dekimasu よ! 14:47, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
That's red? Wow. I'm pretty sure a colleague of mine has a chapter on the history of comic book letter columns in a book he was writing. It's been a while since I proofread that for him, so my recollection may have magnified how much information he had on them. I'll check, though. Doczilla ( talk) 10:10, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
Despite my personal dislike of userboxes, election banners, and other such decoration, I am flattered. :) Phil Sandifer 14:12, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
I just noticed your "vote". You may want to revert yourself. it doesn't start until the 3rd.) - jc37 15:40, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
Considering some discussions we had recently, I think you may find the recent changes to WP:PLOT interesting : ) - jc37 15:16, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
Hey. You need to file a new request at the request page you mentioned and this will override your old cloak. I don't take into account existing cloaks when processing requests. Thanks. — Sean Whitton / 09:02, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
Sorry, I've been watching that article due to the COI issues, and the constant addition of non-reliable sources (like geocities, etc.,) by the subject, and I did not realize the refs were the cite comic ref, I should have taken more time to look at the history to see that it was not her editing it, but looking at it, it appeared she simply was using the Wikipedia page as a reference. My sincere apologies, I was about to revert myself when you caught it. Thanks. Ariel ♥ Gold 20:33, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
This arbitration case has closed and the final decision is available at the link above. User:Asgardian is subject to an editing restriction for one year. He is limited to one revert per page per week (excepting obvious vandalism), and is required to discuss any content reversions on the page's talk page. This notice is given by a Clerk on behalf of the Arbitration Committee. Newyorkbrad 01:55, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
The name change caught me off guard. While I've enjoyed working with you and respect your opinion highly, you seem a bit aggressive on the Loveless talk page, in particular your reply to my statement about Shields denying the cost. I don't take it personally myself, but others might, so just try to keep a cool head. WesleyDodds ( talk) 12:49, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
I don't mean to have you wrack your head too much on this subject. Quite the contrary; I'm basically saying "Be cool like Fonzie", 'cause really, we can work it out. Sit back, relax, and wait for polite discussion from others besides myself. WesleyDodds ( talk) 12:58, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
A comment by Bilinda about Googe's lack of work on the album is already present and sourced. The basslines bit would be worthwhile if you can source it and find a tidy place for it in the "Recording" section. I forgot about the tinnitus; worth mentioning if it can be directly tied to the album. WesleyDodds ( talk) 10:57, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
Who, in his guise as mild-mannered reporter persona unknown, fights a never-ending battle for truth, justice, and the Wikipedia way! -- Tenebrae ( talk) 06:02, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
Please stop changing archived pages all over, such excessive use of AWB to make all these changes claiming RTV is becoming disruptive to recent changes. You are not vanishing, just making a lot of noise. — xaosflux Talk 01:27, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
Here's a
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Vatomanocu (
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14:04, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
You closed the debate here: Talk:Firefly_(TV_series) as no consensus, but I remind you that consensus is defined globally not locally per WP:CONSENSUS. It is therefore incumbent upon editors to find ways to remedy articles that currently do not conform to our consensus-driven policies and guidelines, which many of those under discussion clearly do not. Closing the debate as "no consensus" is improper, therefore, since there is clear consensus about articles on fictional subjects, which the Firefly series fail. I would ask that you undo your close, therefore. Eusebeus 11:05, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
Please read the debut post by Eusebeus in the debate's reopening. Unless I am grossly misunderstanding, he did indeed intend to reopen to discuss a merge. Maratanos ( talk) 00:08, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
Sorry for inadvertently spoiling it for you., - Arcayne (cast a spell) 00:46, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
It's to my regret that I'm far too much in #¤@$ pieces to participate in any intense online debate, but I thank you for doing so. Please persevere; it's the best chance there is right now of bringing about some kind of satisfactory, sustainable situation. As things are, co-operation on fiction coverage stands largely abandoned and WP:N is used as a sledgehammer in its stead. -- Kizor ( talk) 00:41, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
Is there some reason why you are retargeting every link to your old userpage? A redirect is created automatically when you are renamed. Sean William @ 11:57, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
After reading over Category:Eguor admins (re-reading, due to a WP:UCFD discussion), I noticed a link to User talk:Cwiki. Thought it might interest you. - jc37 12:18, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
The cwiki thing I don't think I ever understood either. Someone did an investigation and linked a load of accounts as being socks. Someone else blocked them all. One of them asked for an unblock, saying that they weren't one at all. There was a less than clear thread at WP:AN at a time when I thought it was helpful to read the page and try and solve issues. I looked at the unblock and really I should have walked away, but I thought, when you balance it all, it doesn't matter. Blocked user is using a pseudonym, doesn't want to edit but doesn't want name besmirched. Pseudonym means name not besmirched, blocked means can't edit, people indicate good reason for editor being a sock exists, really no-one has lost. Still, I got it wrong and removed my review and let someone else have a go. They also got it wrong. Then someone who had done the investigation held their hands up and sorted it all out as the hero rushing in where fools had previously trod. Although I'm biased & bitter at being put in a tight spot and that last bit is personal liberty with the truth. Yes, more recent events have shone a torch backwards. Hiding T 12:53, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
At some point I do mean to update the comics collaboration, but yeah, I don't think it needs to be done on a subpage hived off of where-ever. We should probably just queue a list of articles, tame a bot creator and then have a bot update from the top of the list every week. Anyone can add a comics related article to the list. Then just get the bot to add the old one to a list of former collaborations. That's about all the archiving needed. Something and nothing. I mean at some point to fold the peer review back to the comics project, probably through adding requests to the to do template thing task whatever it is big yellow looking thing that could be beige or orange at the top of WT:COMIC. Waffled long enough. Have discovered AWB and am building pages that need cleanup at User:Hiding/Cleanup, thought of using that for something. Do mean to work up what is it we're supposed to work up, EPISODE or CHARACTER or something of the like. Am also trying to retarget WP:FICT, I think they moved my rewrite to a sub-page though. Hiding T 12:04, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
This is clearly a poor use of the tool – [36]. Your previous identity is clearly available to any user who wishes to check your contributions and to administrators who view the deleted edits on your last user page. It clearly defeats the purpose of m:Vanishing and is a waste of Wikimedia's resources. If, upon your return, you wish to continue making such changes, it is recommended that you seek wider input (consensus etc.) on WP:AN / WP:ANI before continuing. Best wishes, — Nearly Headless Nick {C} 14:52, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
Note the use of the word 'disruption' there. EdJohnston ( talk) 17:17, 10 December 2007 (UTC)Work on the project - Your work, including 'signatures' (text indicating your authorship of comments) on all but your own user and talk pages, will usually not be changed or removed. To change these would be a major source of disruption.
But this will make all those contextual jokes (the no relation bit) look really stupid! Regardless, I fully support your endeavor. Although my sig is my actual name, my legal name is somewhat obscured (if we ever connect for a beer on that godforsaken island you call home I'll let you know how - but then I'll have to kill block you). --
Rick Block (
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05:09, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
Remove it if you feel you must, but it's your fault if the storm returns. Duggy 1138 ( talk) 11:59, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
If you wish to actually build a guideline based on consensus, then stop forcing your version without significant input from other editors. It's painfully hypocritical. -- Ned Scott 23:03, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
I just want to emphasize that I don't disagree with most of what you're saying and proposing. I was very rude to you in my comments, and I'm sorry about that. I just have this thing about changing guidelines and policy pages dramatically. I'll try harder to be.. more open. -- Ned Scott 00:15, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
I replied to the debate about Batman comics sales around 1985 because I saw it in your contribution history. But as I'm still trying to not be too involved with the article right now, if there are further questions about sources, please contact me directly and I'll try to address the concerns that exist. I spent months adding the vast majority of sources to the article, and I have easy access to all of them. WesleyDodds ( talk) 00:35, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
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I wish all Wikipedians would use “please” and “thank you” like you do. Taric25 ( talk) 19:20, December 16, 2007 (UTC) |
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Hi, Actually that Sexual Interpretations section had been in Robin before, but when I saw that it had been removed I thought that someone who disagreed (or disapproved) had taken it out. I didn't suspect that it was also part of the Batman article since I believed that this kind of analysis was more appropriate to Robin's relationship with Batman rather than just Batman himself. Sorry that I did not include it in the edit summary — I'll try to use it more often in future. Cheers,-- Marktreut ( talk) 23:04, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
I just wish to ask if you read the closure. If so, then there's nothing further to discuss. - jc37 23:10, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
Of course I read the close. I just couldn't see it sticking, on two grounds that don't really matter now. You've got to carry your audience with you. Strike out too far in front and people get lost or start discussing amongst themselves and go in a different direction. Worst case scenario, they turn ugly and start chasing. You didn't seem to have an exit strategy planned. The drv close was a bit off, though, I agree there. ;| Still, don't give up the fight. Hiding T 23:43, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
Incidentally, I'm currently working on setting up the notice board for 2008. So as I just asked Xoloz, please give me a bit to finish with it, then I suppose I'd be happy to discuss or whatever. - jc37 23:47, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
I've got some images and articles that I've tagged for IFD (Amalgams from trading cards) and clean-up (no PRODs this time but, yes Amalgam articles) which User:Doctor Doomsday is removing without addressing the problems.
Is there a notice for this or do we jut let the tag removal go?
- J Greb ( talk) 00:09, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
I just read Category:Janitorial admins and wanted to mention how much I like that. Doczilla ( talk) 08:59, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
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Hello St Hiding, I see that you're on a Wikibreak, but this isn't an urgent question, so I'll ask it anyway. How do you deal with editors who edit the English-language Wikipedia but apparently do not speak English natively? Obviously, I would abide by
WP:BITE, but I'm wondering how I would even bring it up without potentially being insulting. Certainly, it is possible to make valuable additions to the English Wikipedia even if you don't speak the language particularly well. But, I'm wondering if it might be more profitable for
68.151.70.78 (
talk ·
contribs) to edit Wikipedia in his or her native language. I know I'm making an assumption, but to my mind, the edit summaries seem to indicate someone who speaks a fundamentally different idiom as opposed to a native speaker who merely has poor grammar. Although on the one hand, it would probably be a great way to further one's understanding of English to have one's contributions finessed by other editors, on the other, it would probably be less frustrating to edit articles in one's native tongue. And, given the paucity of articles in some languages, it could also fill a need. But, I am at a loss as to how to suggest this without being offensive. For the time being, I have started
a dialog with the editor regarding one edit that I find particularly confusing. Thanks,
GentlemanGhost (
talk)
00:20, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
Note: it might be good to respond here instead of on my talk page as that is where I am currently corresponding with this editor. :) -- GentlemanGhost ( talk) 00:44, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
You made a comment about "setting up" UCFD that made me go back and do some research. This is a list of your first edits to that page. (Every edit in the first 500 to that page, technically.) I made some "quick notes" after each for my own reference. Feel free to ask for explanations/clarifications. - jc37 16:59, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
[37] user page vs. cats
[38] and [39] and [40] noting dg and you commenting. (I wonder if that was the last time all three of us directly agreed on something? : )
[41] edu
[42] valid venue
[43] directly related
[44] WikiProject
[45] social : )
[46] directly related
[47] clarify
[48] fascist
[49] cat structure comments
[50] about nominations and UCFD location
[51] "causes"
[52] structure again
[53] broken record
[54] germane
[55] divisive
[56] refute "by interest" argument
[57] cocaine
I'm not sure what the point of all those diffs is. Hiding T 21:08, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
(dedent) First, those three edits were an "oops" by me. I ran the edit counter, and saw that (according to it) "Hiding" had made no edits to the UCFD page. (And since there were 999 users who had, if you edited even once, that should make you Mr. 1000 : ) - But then when I looked closer, it showed that someone with the initials S b had made some edits, so I struck my comment. And then I noticed that Hiding "did" have edits to that page, when I looked at Wikipedia. So that counter must be working from some copy. And then, since my talk page had become, well, well-travelled, I decided that it would be better if I removed the comment out of courtesy. Sorry that it was confusing.
As for the links above, "some" of them seemed relevant to me based on our discussions of late, but I decided to list them all, for completeness;
I found several of them interesting based on some of your more recent comments. Now, of course, we all can change opinions, but I thought that this would be a great way to "bridge the gap" as it were, to kind of see what we each thought. I'm sorry that it came across as "cryptic" to you.
Anyway, I'd still like to talk if you're interested. In any case, I do hope you have a great day, Merry Christmas, and so on : ) - jc37 09:21, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
You mentioned that you posted those diffs to bridge a gap. The trouble is we're comparing apples and oranges. Those diffs are comments in deletion debates from a year ago. The situation or situations we've been discussing lately are deletion closes. I didn't comment in the deletion debates because frankly, I could care less. But I do care if you're getting stick, and want to try, in my own flawed way, to point out why you might be getting stick. But the more I think about it, the more I think you know why you're getting stick. I'll just shuffle off. I've made whatever points it is I wanted to make and the whole thing is getting silly now. That's my ultimate point. Is any of this really helping? If others are that impassioned about something, let it be. That's the way consensus moves. If over a hundred admins list themselves in a category, let it be, that's the way consensus moves. Consensus is demonstrated in more ways than one. There are many ways to see which way the wind is blowing, and depending upon the activity, you may want to use more than one. I can tell you this much; this isn't the Wikipedia I started contributing to or that I believe in. We were supposed to be building an encyclopedia. Hiding T 16:22, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
Jc, I understand why you closed that close, I understand that you have that point of view, and looking at my contribs you highlighted I can understand that a year ago I would probably have agreed with you. Now, I honestly don't care. Is this user category a problem? I don't care. Was the close correct, well, I've outlined my thoughts at the DRV. I know where you are trying to push this, but I have a fair idea of what will happen if we go down that route. The key for me is that impartially there wasn't much to choose between the two sides in that cfd. Above all else I will respect the right of people to argue their case and for consensus to form or not form. I just don't see any consensus in that debate. Any other discussion is secondary for me. There's a few cases at arbitration now where people don't seem to be respecting other people's opinions. I'm something of an eventualist, I take the view that we'll get their eventually. If we're talking about how the category was being used, it was nominated the same day it was deleted. No-one ever got a chance to see where it was going, if there was something worth saying in here. Blimey, even the Jimbo's beard categories lasted longer than this and they were trivial. As to categoriesd being for navigation, yes. In the article space. I'm not sure what they're for in the user space. I know I don't want to see a million categories on a user page, but I also know I don't want to see their complete absence. So I allow leeway. To be honest I stopped being vocal at CFD and UCFD when it started to standardise and the flexibility went out of the system. I believe in flexibility. Like our guidance says, we have to turn the other cheek, we have to keep our own biases in check and we allow established users more leeway. I hope that explains where I'm coming from. I understand what you did, I just don't think it's a fight worth fighting. Also, I think a couple of times you've said I've accused you of closing from a POV. Yes, I am. I don't think you should take offence at that though. All I am trying to say is that in my opinion, those were no-consensus closes. That's my opinion, my POV. You disagree. That's your opinion, or POV. I do not intend to mean anything other than that, and I don't wish you to believe I am besmirching your reputation. We are allowed to close at our discretion. We just have to do a lot of talking sometimes to get it to stick. Good luck in making it stick. I know why you want ti to stick. I'm just not so sure I agree it should have to be stuck. Hiding T 15:03, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
As per the afd the article has been userfied to User:Hiding/Sean Simmans, I also removed the afd tag and all catagories. Gnan garra 07:32, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
Hello Hiding. A quick question: Why is it that some members of Category:Top-importance Comics articles are sorted by {{PAGENAME}} and some aren't? I can't figure it out. -- GentlemanGhost ( talk) 21:04, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
Please see this, where I've asked AM for more information. I'm growing increasingly concerned about a pattern I am seeing here, as I alluded to in my comment on UCFD:Wikipedians_against_notability ... I'd welcome your input as well in the appropriate place (if AM doesn't substantially improve the close rationale, to the point that I change my mind about whether it was a good close or not, I'll no doubt be taking UCFD:Wikipedians_against_censorship to DRV). I think, as a note, that you might want to get involved in some of these closes yourself... ++ Lar: t/ c 04:40, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
The drv is shut, so I'll pick this up here. If you read WP:NOT, you'll note that it divides itself into two. Content and community. There are two different sections, always have been always will. You also mentioned something about double standards which I don't understand, since WP:CONSENSUS indicates double standards are allowed to exist. I'm distressed you talk about a pet category, because its almost like you're trying to apply pet standards. I'm not sure there is a communication issue here more than you're simply ignoring what doesn't fit into your framework, position or whatever it is you think you're building. Personally, if enough people mention that something might not be a good idea I tend to try and listen. Looks like there's quite a cabal growing at UCFD though. All the best, Hiding T 11:26, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
Where do you keep your archives of this page? I just want to look for some previous discussion. Hiding T 13:30, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
I'm sorry if I appear jaded to you. From my perspective it appears to be experience, but I'm willing to concede that I could be wrong. Hiding T 13:46, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
In reading the above, it seems to me that somewhere along the way your feelings were hurt in all of this. If so, I sincerely apologise.
I know that I was surprised (I think I previously used the word "speechless") at first by your comments, but we've since spoken about them, and I had thought we had resolved them? (For the most part, it's just a difference of opinion, I think - and last I checked, nothing wrong with that?)
So now I'm wondering what's going on now? - jc37 14:09, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
Well, wow. I guess that's the comment that ends the discussion. You are, of course, entitled to your opinion. Shrugs. Hope you have a better day. - jc37 01:30, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
I figure I at least have the right to defend myself, and I hope I've earnt enough that you'll listen as well.
My comments at Lar's talk page. I figure it's the word cabal that is annoying you, since I've made the same complaint a couple of times the last week without chucking that word in. Cabals operate everywhere, every little page has a little cabal. That's why we have no cabals as a policy on Wikipedia, it's so that decisions are always open to re-evaluation. It's not because we don't have cabals. It's because we don't let it bother us, we let the system handle it eventually. I don't have the time to keep people at UCFD honest, and you can see Black Falcon's talk page and After Midnight's comments to me at the DRV for how I arrive at that conclusion, but I have trust that the wiki process will eventually solve the problem. Either your ends will justify your means, or they won't. But like you say, I'm entitled to my opinion. I got the impression a lot earlier that you weren't really listening to it, but that's not really that important and I just toss it out there. On some level we're talking past each other. I don't have the luck of having this discussion in a pub where the nuances are easier to make understood. What else. Use of the word hypocrite. You didn't use it, no, but I thought that's what you meant when you were referring to double standards. What I meant, and what I hoped to show through quoting all that policy at you, was that sometimes Wikipedia makes decision a on x, and yet conflicting decision b on y. Therefore double standards exist, are part of the process and are, well not encouraged but recognised and considered just one of those things. I thought the word hypocritical was more appropriate, but I guess the way I've been brought up to use it isn't perhaps the way it's defined, or perhaps that I recognise it in myself and so I'm not afraid of it. Being a hypocrite certainly doesn't preclude being open to change, at least not as far as I can see. I have no idea what you were pointing me to Fred's wiki-info for, perhaps you could care to clarify. As far as I know, the wiki-info sympathetic POV is again an article space construct, contrasting to the NPOV of Wikipedia's article space, so I'm at odds over how it applies to our discussion of user categories, which by definition exist in user space. Unless part of the whole communication breakdown is that you think NPOV applies everywhere, even in discussions. If you're pointing me to AGF because I said I wouldn't expect a creator to be anything other than biased, thanks, but I'll pass. I guess I have a very different understanding of that policy as well. My interpretation is that we always assume that whatever people do, they do because they want to make Wikipedia better. We don't always assume that people perform every single action with the purest of motives, but that their motives are guiding them to make Wikipedia better. It doesn't matter to me that a creator of a category or whatever has a bias, and I don't violate WP:AGF by saying, oh, you created this, so you'll have that opinion. I violate AGF when I say, oh you did that just to wind people up or ... Anyway, all the best. I've really pissed you off here at some point, and it wasn't really my intent. I think Iron Gargoyle made a lot of the points I was attempting a lot better than I could. Maybe I'm fucking it all up because I actually respect your opinion. Who can say. Hiding T 10:00, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
Yes, I'm still talking to you. I just felt in seeing your comments that I had run against a brick wall of misconception. There is more than a bit in your comments above that I disagree with, including how you felt I intended some of the links, but I think I'll chalk that up to emotions running a bit high.
For example, TINC has always been something I thought you and I agreed on. (Though I am dismayed at it's merger from its own page, I may be BOLD and undo that in the near future.)
And, I'd like to think that I'm not stupid or blind. But I still prefer to WP:AGF, and give someone the benefit of the doubt, until evidence is shown otherwise. That last clause is a key part for me.
But anyway, it seems to me from the above, the best way to answer would be to let you know what my opinions of UCFD are (something which, for the most part, I typically don't do). It will take some typing, and I need to go shortly, so I'm going to postpone for later, but it'll be forthcoming. -
jc37
21:50, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
While it's not unprecedented, I just wanted to let you know that you closed a relisted debate 2 days after its relisting (rather than the typical 5). - jc37 14:31, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
Forgot about the whole close of the relisted debate. For future reference, we are still allowed to close debates early, aren't we? Hiding T 10:08, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
I find myself wanting to open some DRVs but {{ newdelrev}} does not seem to be the right template since it points to AfD. Do you know the template to use? That template is not in the usual template nav categories, so I cannot figure out what other ones might apply. Thanks! You can reply here, I'll watch. ++ Lar: t/ c 23:12, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
I believe that is your usual edit summary in these cases. : )
To whit: [61]
-- GentlemanGhost ( talk) 09:17, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
Hey, could you move a page for me? I'd do it myself, but I created a redirect page where the article ought to go before it occurred to me they should be the other way around. I created on article about the story The Reign of the Superman and did a lot of work on it before I came across a source that called it The Reign of the Super-Man. Although those spelling it Superman outnumber those that spell it Super-Man, I came to realize that Super-Man was actually how Siegel spelled it, so I need to move the article at The Reign of the Superman to The Reign of the Super-Man, and turn the former into the redirect page. (Yeah, yeah, I wouldn't have to ask anybody to do this if I'd just accepted an admin nomination back in October.) I believe this can be taken care of without having to go through AfR at this point in the article's history, can't it? Thanks. Doczilla ( talk) 09:48, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
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How do we recall you, Hiding? Not that I think you're in need of it but there's no way to do it. I think there should be. I think categories of editors are by and large unhelpful, and probably a deadmin thing that allowed nominations and stuff would also be a bad idea, but I can think of quite a few admins who could do with being recalled because they tend to be a menace. Grace Note 04:52, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
Oh and if you reply, please not here. I don't have a long watchlist and I don't add others' talkpages to it. Grace Note 04:52, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
You're welcome to the compliment, although of course I don't agree with much of what you said. While it's true that it only takes two people to start an RfC on you, there have been RfCs on admins that have shown a great deal of hostility towards the admin but they have kept their badge. I'm not a big fan of RfCs in any case. They're very rarely productive. Bad admins don't read them and think "oh, I ought to change". They read them and think "that person is just an idiot and doesn't understand me". If they were capable of doing the right thing, they probably wouldn't be facing the RfC in the first place. Neither do I think you should be analogous to a Lord, although the analogy is pretty good. You should be more like, say, a DA, who faces election every now and then. In any case, I like the idea of randomly chosen rotating admins, to prevent the entrenchment of privilege, which has been on the whole detrimental. While it's a good thing that people who can be trusted retain the abilities that an admin has, it's not so good that those who use them unwisely, and some do, cannot be unseated. I like your idea of the embodiment of ideals but it's not tenable now, particularly with the vigorous testing that a candidate must undergo! Most older admins wouldn't even get the bit now. Can you correctly apply the speedy deletion criteria? I don't even know what they all are and I've been here for two or three years now. Still, I know an article that's garbage when I see it.
As for the system, I think it's broken in a multitude of ways, some important, some not so. Most of the not so important ways seem vital to some participants but aren't, and some important seem unimportant to some but are. Probably that would be the case with any large enterprise. Thanks for sharing your thoughts. Grace Note 00:50, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
"Being an admin means getting into disputes and annoying people." Very true and I think sometimes "critics" forget that. It's also true for anyone who has just been around for a while, admin or no, so I'm going to have to decline your offer for now, although I appreciate your making it. 99% of the time I've been constructive here, but the 1% will ensure I don't get approved, and I think out of respect for you I should not let you be associated with that. Perhaps you'd be willing to nominate me in a couple of months and I'll spend that time letting any heat that my name generates cool off and perhaps that will be better. Grace Note 05:09, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
We seem to be having a minor problem with the image for this. As a result of the last minor edit was over this, a note was added next to the image link to see the talk page. Right now we've got an annom (204.116.172.243) who has flipped it 5 times in 30 minutes and has stated bluntly he isn't interested in working with others. In addition, as part of his 3rd flip, he added an empty protection tag.
Is there anything we can do about this? — J Greb 04:51, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
Is there any particular reason you closed this after only two days? - Amarkov blah edits 23:04, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
Is there any reason why you disregarded the process concerns, which is the whole point of a DRV? Discussions of content belong at XfD. Thryduulf 23:07, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
An editor has asked for a deletion review of ashika. Since you closed the deletion discussion for (or speedy-deleted) this article, you might want to participate in the deletion review. on their talk page.-->
Could you review the contribution histories of EJBanks, Creepy Crawler, Dr. McGrew and Batman Fan? I think you'll conclude that they are almost certainly the same person. They've been indef-blocked under the last three names for exactly the same kind of category creation vandalism that's happening again. CovenantD 09:54, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
Hey, I saw The Adventures of Tintin is being featured tomorrow. Congrats and good luck with the vandals... Carcharoth 03:45, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
The best existing proposal I can, in my own limited way, think of for the previously discussed "appreciation week" can now be found at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week#Wikipedia Week. Any comments or responses would be more than welcome. And I note your objections. In the first year, the "Person of the Year" award could well be a bad idea. Badbilltucker 15:15, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
In the past you have participated in discussion about this guideline, or voted in it's acceptence. There is currently a discussion about a partial rewrite of this guideline. The discussion could benefit from some more input. Thank you for your contributions. TheDJ ( talk • contribs • WikiProject Television) 16:09, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
There's plenty of bots around at WP:CFD and WP:BOT. If people find them useful in portalspace, moving them there would be a feasible solution. >Radiant< 16:41, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
Per your request at Wikipedia:Newspapers and magazines request service, I've e-mailed you the article. Happy editing! Gzkn 09:15, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
I saw the thread on ANI. I don't know enough about the underlying situation to comment on the merits of the block and the unblock request, but your review rationale seemed thorough and well-reasoned to me.
This falls in the category of "easy for me to say," but please don't allow yourself to be stressed out by this or any other Wikipedia task. We all have to remember that sometimes, including myself. Regards, Newyorkbrad 16:04, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
This kind of stuff dosen't get sent around enough, so the bad seems to build up and overpower the good.
I have always had a great deal of respect for your decision making abilities. The case you tried to solve was a difficult and contentious one, and I fully support you walking away from it without reaching strong conclusion. You are a bigger man for doing so. I tried to figure out who was right, but also got fully frusterated by the intracasies of what must have been going on for years. Please don't think less of yourself or let the slings and arrows of whomever is shooting at you hit. You are a good and valuable contributor and problem solver. Hipocrite - «Talk» 16:05, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
(Incidental note that probably has nothing to do with anything) - I encountered User:David D. during my first RfA attempt. He really impressed me in how he researched my contributions (including the wizard page), when it appeared that few others were. I don't know anything further about him except what checking I did of his contributions. But I thought I'd mention that I was and am rather impressed with him (similar though different of how I respect you and your contributions here). As I said above, it likely doesn't mean anything, but I thought I'd mention it nonetheless. - jc37 22:06, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
[1]. Posted in unlrelated incident. Worth reading. Wikipedia as university adminstration? I think so. Hipocrite - «Talk» 17:54, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
Hiding, I'm unaware of a split in the sense that you indicate, as the articles in question (specifically Robin (Earth-Two)) were created from a silver age perspective based on the long accepted model of Batman (Earth-Two) (which evaded criticism...for reasons that quite frankly escape me...as it also wasn't first proposed to the community input and yet has existed since Nov 7, 2007). As to consensus, I've been keeping track of the survey the Dick Grayson talk page relating to the existence of a Robin (Earth-Two) page...and it is quite evident there is a split as to keep/oppose merging or delete/support merging with five contributors for each side. This does not appear to be "consensus" of any type...and as to the survey in Wikiproject Comics any dispute is over certain pages being created while there is virtually nothing addressed as to the perceived double standard as to tacit permission of Batman (Earth-Two). If you wish to question my not approaching the community first, I would ask that you also approach User:Exvicious as well regarding his creation of Batman (Earth-Two) without the same approval. Thank you for your time. Netkinetic/ T/ C/ @ 19:46, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
I just sent an email to you concerning my accounts. -- Philosophus T 21:27, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
Hi.
Received a request on my talk page from User:Thefro552 (who knows me from List of comic book superpowers) in regards to an IP who is daily vandalising Stone Cold Steve Austin. I think I'm with you in that I probably don't qualify as a Rouge admin, so I guess I'm hesitant to WP:RBI (especially since I didn't do the reverting : )
Also, I seem to recall reading that even if I were to decide to block the IP, there tend to be various complexities in blocking IP addresses, and I'd rather err on the side of caution. Looking for some "expert advice" : ) - jc37 21:58, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
Make sure only the Block anonymous users only box is checked, uncheck the other two. You don't want to Prevent account creation because you want to allow good contributors on a shared account a way in, and there are other benefits as well. You leave that unchecked unless you are positive the account is sock puppeteering and it's a short block. You never do it for lengthy blocks unless you can guarantee it's a static address. Leave Automatically block the last IP address used by this user, and any subsequent addresses they try to edit from unchecked, this is to prevent logged in users logging out and editing anonymously or sock puppeting. It is all complicated, but you do eventually pick it up through experience. Your first couple of blocks you are best served posting for review at WP:AN or WP:ANI, just to get feedback, it's what I did.
In this case I guess the best advice is to have a look at Wikipedia:Vandalism in progress and the pages it advises you to go to. If the history of the article really does merit it, semi protection is probably the first best step, for a couple of days and see if the vandal gets bored. Hope some of that helps. Hiding Talk 22:30, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
Okay, there's obviously a dispute. I'm no mediator but it got brought to the admin's noticeboard so you got me. I've archived the previous stuff at Talk:List of wizards in fantasy, it was getting long and I could not make head nor tail of it. Now sometimes that is seen as a contentious move so let me reassure I'm not trying to close off debate, I'm just trying to wipe the slate clean and start again. Any issue you want to take from the archives and paste back on the talk page, please do so. What I would ask is that you don't right now. If you give me a week to try this attempt to resolve the dispute, then I'll move off if no headway is made. You can of course tell me to butt out now and I won't mind, I have better things to do now. What I would like, is for someone from either side help me out and explain what content has been moved where and where they think it should go. Keep it simple and don't point fingers, let's focus on the content. And pick one section to edit, A or B and don't edit the other. Just your own point of view, nothing responding to the other side at this point. Maybe if we work through this we can work out the best way to solve it. I have the impression it might all get solved by the requested move process, but I want to make sure the page history is all in one place so that the requested move can be set up properly. Then I suggest all sides allow a consensus to be built on the requested move and we work form there. I'm going to be taking the view that we request the move from where the content is now. That's not an endorsement, rather think of it as a wrong version issue. I hope this issue can get sorted out, because continuing disputes do no-one any favours. Thanks for your time. Hiding Talk 14:14, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
Hope the stress wasn't caused by looking at that long talk page! :-) Seriously, thanks for the offer, even if it was retracted quickly (better to retract now than later), and I hope your stress levels go down soon. Carcharoth 15:07, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
I don't think it is necessary, as there are discussion places on Wikipedia talk:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Esperanza and Wikipedia:Deletion review/Wikipedia:Esperanza. Would you mind changing the template on Wikipedia:Esperanza and redirect users to the 2 discussions? We wouldn't want a 3rd discussion area.-- Ed ¿Cómo estás? Reviews? 22:15, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
Hi Hiding. I reported both User:DCincarnate and User:Asgardian for 3RR violations during their edit war over Celestial (comics). Just thought you should know. -- GentlemanGhost
(Asgardian)
Asgardian 09:28, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
Hi Hiding,
I was just wondering about your rating of Frank Miller (comics). Surely an article needs some references before it can be considered A class?
Iron Ghost 18:24, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
Iron Ghost 18:31, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
Hi,
I noticed that Rex is not being polite, and with respect to the template he created, {{Construction}}, he deleted the recent comments - plus mine. I would advise you'll keep an eye on him. Who knows what he might do next shortly?
Thanks for your attention. - Qasamaan 19:30, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
Hiding, I hope there was no violation of GFDL on this edit due to a cut-&-paste from another page. Marijuana and comics don't really mix. ;) (All in good humour nothing more. Peace) Netkinetic | T / C / @ 00:13, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
I'd be happy to look over the list. I'm not really interested in putting a lot of work into restore/redirect/protecting dozens of esp-related pages since frankly I fail to see the point in that. I'm sure you can find some espian admin to fix that? >Radiant< 17:08, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
No apology necessary. I appreciate the time you put into it. I picked ANI because I wanted to have jc37's changes undone (or undeleted) and have him warned that he should follow the dispute resolution process, a process he took an end-run around and just plain old ignored. I wasn't looking for a mediator since it appears jc37 won't follow the process that includes that, but perhaps it is the best course of action and see if he cooperates with the mediator. Thanks Hiding! Dreadlocke ☥ 01:27, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
Sorry I missed your comment on my talk page. Not sure if this even matters to you now: No, you are not worrying over nothing. The way with which the article has been edited has been extremely misguided, and I'm not really sure I understand the "enthusiasm" with which you and I have been opposed on this article. It's a bit feverish. -- Chris Griswold ( ☎ ☓) 05:59, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
Hi Hiding - I was wondering, as you are an administrator who frequents comics-related wiki entries, if you could keep an eye on the Histoire de M. Vieux Bois article. Grenye and I have been working hard to improve the quality of this article, but some of our work has been hampered by an anonymous user. This user seems to be a "collector" taking out a personal conflict with a dealer of Victorian-era comic dealer. Sometimes this is in the form of strange, errant parentheticals opposing calling this publication a comic. At other times it is rambling, personal attacks toward the dealer featuring links to a message board as "citations." Early on, the user engaged in deleting valid citations from the article. The user's edits can be seen in the current article's edit history as well as the history of the now-redirected The_Adventures_of_Obadiah_Oldbuck.
I think that Grenye and I have been careful that this article not proclaim that the book is absolutely the first comic book -- both in the first sentence, which is clear that it is a "publication" only "sometimes said" to be the first comic, and in the article, which is concerned with the history and context by which it is called this. At any rate, I suspect the user's axe to grind has less to do with the publication itself and more to do with the abrasive nature of someone on an Internet message board, which I have a funny feeling does not meet notability standards. ~CS 00:28, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
What was the false assumption why you deleted it? Also, see [2]; this essay is referred to in many places and had substantial discussion on the talk page. Tag it with {{ historical}} if you want, but deletion is not appropriate. The CSD has the "mistake" exception so that pages that have had others involved with them or have been referred to by others are not deleted; the "mistake" there is a prior mistake, such as a typo or a mis-understanding of the GFDL, though it is often related to deleting non-encyclopedic articles that the author realizes aren't appropriate (and that would have been deleted by other CSDs or other deletion processes anyway). Re-evaluating your assumptions six months later does not qualify. — Centrx→ talk • 14:42, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
You're right in both your deletion and restoration. Is something wrong? Hipocrite - «Talk» 15:10, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
Hiding? Are you stressed out about something? Anything we can help with? Carcharoth 16:12, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
Sorry, I haven't really noticed any plans of yours though to tear up the Fictional Biography. I felt that was a good summary. Ripping up the aspects of the character for a large sub-page isn't so good though. I'll check to see if there's been any information recycling on the History and Character pages. I do appreciate your excellent work by the way. Wiki-newbie 20:28, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
Didn't you hive off the majority of the Biography to History of Superman? Wiki-newbie 20:36, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
Sorry for the misunderstanding. But it's the Popular culture stuff that needs sprucing, as well as helping improve that article. Are you fine? Wiki-newbie 20:51, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
That's quite a fundemental difference between you and I then. Superman is a comic book character that has been depicted in various other media. You must agree at least the P.C. section needs a clean-up though. We need more emphasis on the comics then on the movies. Plus, we can we do for alternate versions? Wiki-newbie 21:03, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
At the end of the day, Superman is part of the Comics Project, above Film. We've diverted from the main point now: originally it was lack of cites, now the article is in danger of becoming unbroad in coverage. Wiki-newbie 19:52, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
I really felt your trimmed versions of the Fictional Biography and Powers, which I had some work on, was the best version. History of Superman is a little of both: Comics guidelines say Publication and Fictional compliment one another, like a Production and Plot sections in a film article. Still, I think attention is needed to cutting down Publication and Pop Culture sections. This may mean I'd support Removal of the FA as the article is no longer truly stable. Wiki-newbie 16:24, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
Either way, I want to say that the Fictional Biography should be avaliable to anyone who wants it. As for History of Superman, both really. Look at Storm (comics) or History of the X-Men comics, the only two comparable articles. Wiki-newbie 19:33, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
I simply found the article as it was fine until you ripped out Biography, Powers and Personality. I guess I'm ok really with the Personality and Supporting characters being moved. I'll agree to copyedit and merge elements once you're done. Wiki-newbie 19:39, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
We can remove the biography and powers from Superman character and cast and expand that particular section in the article for more on Kent, because you found some great stuff on Kent's role in the mythology. No point just bandying it as "this is what some scholars think". I think the issue is settled. I say no to Superman in comic books, that's what Superman is: a comic book character. The Middle-earth articles for example don't place extra emphasis on Peter Jackson for one thing. But enough of subpages, let's get the main thing into gear. Wiki-newbie 19:53, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
We'd be far poorer without you, lad. Take care, and if you need anything ask.
brenneman
00:54, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the suggestion but I had a look at the requirements for adminship when someone else was nominated a while back and I don't feel I qualify as I do little on the backend knd of thing and don't really have a pessing desire to get too involved beyond the things that touch on the entries I've been working on. Anyway if there is every any dirty work needed doing then I can always hassle people like you. ;) Nice of you to mention it though. :)
One the British comics taskforce: That is a good idea and well worth pursuing. I can't claim to have a comprehensive knowledge of the whole field but I have been reaidng British comics for a long time (I bought the first issue of 2000 AD when it came out - although largely for the space spinner) and I'd certainly be invovled with that as (as I've said many times before) non-US comics don't get as big a representation as they should just purely from a market penetration front and if we can spot obvious gaps in the coverage and try and get them covered then that is A Good Thing. Keep me updated on progress and sign me up. ( Emperor 17:40, 18 January 2007 (UTC))
Thank you for your support on my RfA, which closed favorably this morning. I appreciate the confidence the community has placed in me and am looking forward to my new responsibilities. Please let me know if ever you have any comments or suggestions, especially as I am learning how to use the tools. Best regards, Newyorkbrad 20:49, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
I need someone to to take a look at a back and forth I'm having with Netkinetic on the Comics Project talk page, at the bottom of the "List of related articles" section. I'm concerned I may have crossed some lines with it and I'm certain that if I respond to the last post I will be.
Thanks for listening... — J Greb 04:39, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
Regarding [3]. Thanks. Hipocrite - «Talk» 18:38, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
Thanks, I'd appreciate if someone kept an eye on the situation. -- Milo H Minderbinder 23:06, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
Sure, I haven't done one before but if you get it started I'd be happy to contribute to it. FYI, I'm about to submit a request for unprotection now. -- Milo H Minderbinder 16:09, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
Hiding, I want you to know that I sometimes read Wikipedia drama to my fiancée (she asks me to), and we cheer you on when we come across your entry into the gladiator arena with your calm words and your righteous glory. If things get to rough here and you ever need to, you can crawl inside my womb and be reborn. Or is that "woumb"? I'm not sure; I'm an ugly American who has only glimpsed the beauty of the Tardis. I am forever indebted to you for your guidance, camaraderie, and contributions to Wikipedia. -- Chris Griswold ( ☎ ☓) 07:26, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
Sorry, Hiding, I'm not sure I understand what should be done. Can we merge back those articles? This is it? — Lesfer (t/ c/ @) 16:27, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
Hate to pester you with something that may be trivial, but what is the Wiki-etiquette re: editing someone else's statement of position in a merge/split survey? Reason I'm asking is that User:Btipling, signing as Bjorn Tipling, went through and "clarified" position statements from 4 other editors, myself included, on the "Batman (Earth-Two) to merge into Batman" survey. Thanks for listening... — J Greb 03:10, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
Hope that helps. Hiding Talk 13:41, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
Hiding,
In what sense have I misinterpeted others comments? I'm basing it off the survey, and have been extremely careful to word both sides equally. Such terms as: those in *support* of the survey and those in *support* of a split, for instance. I'm unsure in what sense the RFC intro is slanted one way or another. As to setting up the page in question...in fact it was already "set up" prior to the RFC, after which it was redirected. I have added a few extra 3rd party verifiable sources, and I shall note this in the RFC accordingly. I am also extremely mystified as to your redirect of Huntress (Helena Wayne) which was created months ago prior to the current controversy. That you would make a judgement call on this particular article, when there was not a survey done for nor against it specifically, mystifies me. Articles started after Robin (Earth-Two)...I will make that consession they are fair game. This one however seems a bit arbitrary and I question the good faith for that redirect. Netkinetic | T / C / @ 19:44, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
What's up Hiding. Why did you redirect the character to Earth-Two instead of Huntress (comics). There's more detail there. -- Exvicious // + @ 05:27, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
User:Netkinetic is posting all sorst of merge tags on only DC characters like Blue Beetle ted kord. Brian Boru is awesome 19:13, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
OK Hiding, thanks for the info, jimfbleak 14:00, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
hey Hiding, i was wondering if you can get warned/banned for bad grammar. User:RonBatfreak is making (in my opinion) horrendous edits, with poor puncuation and bad grammar. [4]
For example: "With Bart Allen has absorbed the entire Speed Force, Deathstroke supplying Inertia with an experimental substance Velocity 9 in order to be able to still retain his superhuman speed." from Titans East
Or: "On Teen Titan vol. 3 #43, she is under the captivity of the villainous Titans East with Robin and Raven after the attack from Inertia and Match." from Wonder Girl (Cassie Sandsmark)
Either he/she is very incompetent at basic english or it must be his second language or something (which is why he seems to ignore complaints in his talk. He also seems to incorrectly site specific issues a lot. Besides that, i guess his additions are accurate, reading them makes my head hurt. I've never heard any policy on getting banned for writing poorly, but someone needs to do something -- EXV // + @ 10:45, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
Who would that be? :). Beware the argument from silence. Marskell 12:03, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
Let's breath for 24 or 48. Robert West, Francis, Slim, and others who've edited, may stop by. The logic of starting with existing wording is totally sound. The debates on actual policy innovation can take place when the page is live; people will be much more restrained in adding radical ideas at that point. Marskell 17:38, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
Will reply on the page. SlimVirgin (talk) 23:48, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for your advice on improving the Democracy (Judge Dredd storyline) article. I'll look up some sources when I get time. Richard75 22:09, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
I'll take a look... — J Greb 00:46, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
Hiding,
Is there anything that can be done with the above use? He seems hell bent on circumventing this CfD by just changing the other 2 cats. He also isn't responding to comments either on his user talk or in the edit summaries.
(I've cross posted this with ChrisGriswold)
— J Greb 17:32, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
I have a very bad temper, and usually I do try to control it (considering this incivility warning is the first one I've received in three years). ;) At first I did wonder how you came across my edits, but I see you have taken a look at Ksofen's, so I guess that would make sense. You do have good points, and almost 100% of the time I practice them. Thanks for dropping the note by. :) Mike H. I did "That's hot" first! 20:34, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
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For your patient but firm hand in dealing with the seemingly never-ending disputes at Wikipedia:Esperanza, I award you this barnstar! Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 09:45, 10 February 2007 (UTC) |
I'm sure it was not your intention, but your recent comments at deletion review hurt my feelings a little bit. I'm used to suggestions from noobz (and Snowspinner) that I've got some sort of blood-lust when it comes to webcomics, but having you lump me in with "editors who do not like them" was a bit of a shock.
I won't re-run my thinking here, the DRV is the venue for that. But I'm dissapointed by the suggestion that I did anything here other than I do with any deletion close: Evaluated the arguments, looked over policy and guidelines, and tried to balance "consensus" as it is right at that second versus what's been demonstrated on the more geological time scale.
brenneman 23:16, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
I've restored the tag -- the article is full of unsourced claims and original research. -- Dragonfiend 00:52, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
Doctor Fate was recently tagged for "tense in fiction" problems. I've run through the article and revamped it and could use a second set of eyes going over it. Would you mind...?
Thanks... — J Greb 07:23, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
Hi Hiding, I want to take care of some Marvel comics articles which need wikifying and clean-up, but I want to check out three questions before I do my first major edits (in order to prevent causing any trouble or annoying the admins ;)). Question No.1: I need a clarification about copyright. If I scan an image myself (for example a character or a comic book cover) and upload it, which copyright tag do I use and how do I state the source formally? Question No.2: Is it allowed to use images from the official Marvel.com website (especially comic book covers for adding them to incomplete lists) and how do I source these images? Question No. 3: Is there an infobox available for comic books? Thank you very much! Incredible Nightcrawler 09:24, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
I've been reading a lot of your comments in several subjects now, and I just have to say that regardless of whether I agree with you or not, you seem to be a phenomenally reasonable and level-tempered guy. Since it looks like you're also likely stressed out, I think you deserve to know that. Good show. Erk| Talk -- I like traffic lights -- 12:27, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the heads up, though if I understand the 3RR right I'm only sitting on 1 reversion in the past 24 hours. I'd be more worried about if he were swinging through more than once or twice a night though. — J Greb 15:50, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
So, in effect:
Thanks for the clarification. Refsworldlee (chew-fat) (eds) 18:33, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
We've got an annom vandalizing the page. It isn't the first time the annom account has done similar. Could you take a look and see if either the IP needs a temp blaock or the article needs semi-protection?
Thanks — J Greb 20:08, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
Addendum: The annoms involved are 204.69.40.13 and 69.92.184.84. I'm reverting it one last time (3rd, so I won't touch it again, sadly). — J Greb 20:44, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
Hi Mr.Block, wondering if this is something you'd look into or advise as I have neither the experience nor gravitas. It seems Single Purpose Account Vdeporter ( talk · contribs) has made an autobio, and inserted self into a few lists. I'm not sure, but as far as I can tell, he is sufficiently notable [5] so a new COI situation for me. I've put up 2 tags, so is there more I ought to do, or step back and let the system deal? MURGH disc. 23:37, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
You have expressed an interest in the practice of putting up for deletion articles that needed to be tagged instead. You are therefore cordially invited to contribute to, review, clarify, and/or discuss a working draft on my userspace of a point that needs to be widely clarified on Wikipedia, User:Balancer/Wikpedia:Deletion_is_not_a_substitute_for_tagging. Balancer 18:30, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
I have initiated a Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration#Nearly Headless Nick disregarding consensus and consensus-related policies, a matter in which I believe you to have been involved in the case history of. Your commentary may be appreciated. Balancer 13:47, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
About your "I mean, okay everyone says this, but which newspaper was it that had the journalist making things up?" on WT:WEB: There are quite a few, but it may very well have been Jack Kelley in the USA Today. At least that's the one I think I remember hearing of myself. Just posting it here since this trivia comment would look TOTALLY out of place in the current discussion :P -- Sid 3050
Hey Hiding, we're having a bit of a revert debate going on at Template:Punkbox. The edit comments should be able to fill you in on what the hassle is, and there's discussion going on here. WesleyDodds 00:47, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
Template:WikiProjectBanners has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. -- Ned Scott 08:08, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
Hi. I'm disappointed to see that you've deleted PlayRadioPlay! before the AfD was up. I agree that it wasn't likely to make it, but the article author did indeed assert notability in the AfD discussion, and promised to find newspaper articles demonstrating notability. Was there something that made deleting this early necessary? Thanks, William Pietri 08:04, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
Just a quick move need over a naming glitch. Details here. Cheers. ( Emperor 14:39, 21 February 2007 (UTC))
I've heard you're a little bit bonked,
And not in the fun porn-star way.
When even your wiki-friends are irking you,
It can really ruin your day.
So consider your your joy-horn honked.
(Err, but not in the porn-star way.)
Think of the good work you've done,
There's reason a-plenty to stay.
brenneman
02:15, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
Thanks! Yes, I did missed the Three Kings out because I'm not sure if thats parts of the common or not. I think it comes under the Fair Green part of Mitcham. Anyway I can add it as a boundary marker. To be honest I rushed the map a bit (and I drew it in MS paint!) so its bound to be off a little. Also missed out bidders pond, and the bit by the Cannons to Willow Lane. I'll make amendments to it when I can, or if you like you can have a go. Think outside the box 11:26, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
It's now in your archives, but you gave me some concrete advice about how to block, and I wanted to thank you for it. See WP:AN#Hesitation for more information, if curious. - jc37 11:30, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
Hi Hiding. I've been attempting to overview and tidy up the geography cats which involve the places where people live. There appear to be two useful ways of doing it - by region, and by size. Organising by region isn't a problem. But organising by size has become difficult because User:Hmains uses the term settlements to cover all sizes of communities, and has altered dictionary definitions [6] to fit his own understanding of the term - [7]. However, community appears to be the term used most often to describe the places where people live, regardless of size. This is the definition of community - [8]. Hmains has reverted much of my work, and insists on settlements being the term we should use - basing it on this decision, which was a declined proposal to rename Settlements by region to Populated places by region. What do you think? Is settlement the appropriate term for covering human communities ranging from well established cities down to refuge camps? Is Human community a viable alternative? Are there other choices? I have started a discussion here and here, with the above wording, but no response as yet. I have left this message on the talk pages of active Geography Project members. And then on this page. I am a bit lost as the best place to discuss this issue. I don't want to delete or rename any category. And I don't want to get into a revert war. I'd like an open debate to reach sensible consensus. I'm now leaving this message on the pages of WikiProject Category members. Can you advise? SilkTork 19:54, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
Discussion taking place at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (settlements)#Settlements SilkTork 11:23, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
In the spirit of reducing the amount of Wikipolicies and obviating confusion (see WP:LAP), drafts are in progress for a unified deletion policy here, and a unified protection policy here. These should really be team efforts, so since you commented on the matter earlier I would like to ask your help. The intent is not to change policy, merely to clarify and remove reduncancy; thus, anything that inadvertently changes the meaning should be fixed. We should be ready to move the drafts over the existing policies soon, but this needs more feedback and consensus, otherwise it'll just get reverted by people who "like the old thing better". Thank you for your time. >Radiant< 13:24, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
I don't see anything in the article that mentions the Earth-Two superhero Superman (Kal-L), nor do I see anything regarding a disambiguation of the other uses of "Kal-El". If you may, can you show me where it is listed in the article? Power level (Dragon Ball) 21:38, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
I am sorry if you found that unconstructive, I'm unsure as to how? I really do think the best thing to do would be to show that Comixpedia is reliable. If you can show that, then any criticism brought up is really beside the point-every publication gets criticism, but if we can show it's reliable and fact-checked, it's a valid source period. I certainly did not intend that to be an unconstructive or inflammatory suggestion, I'm sorry it came across that way. I was hoping that there could be a quick and definitive solution to that particular issue, I was trying to suggest how it could be done. Seraphimblade Talk to me Please review me! 08:34, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
Good idea, thanks. It is, at present, way too long; I'll see if I can snip something. >Radiant< 12:53, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
I have left a message on my talkpage. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 18:55, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
If you could, I've got a back and forth with another editor that I'd like an admin to look at.
It's here Talk:Spectre (comics)#Article Title and I think it may be on the verge of getting out of hand.
Thanks...— J Greb 22:05, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
I fail to understand why deletion is a swift and decisive process, yet merging must be a slow and painful one. The article has one or two defenders who are anti-merge. If I merge, they'll just unmerge. I want to use AFD as a vehicle to make it decisive instead of dilatory, drawn-out, stressful, and discouraging, and to bring in a broader consensus than just me vs. one or two defenders who refuse to see the redundancy. - Keith D. Tyler ¶ ( AMA) 00:33, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
That's impressive work there. Just a few more points. The images need fair use rationales, and they also need shrinking. Copyrighted images shouldn't be any bigger than they would appear in the article. Also, the trivia section needs to be worked into the article somewhere, trivia sections are frowned upon. I think if those happen, a peer review would be a bloody good idea, and then maybe if that goes well take it to featured articles. Hiding Talk 21:57, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
I thank you for your appreciation of my efforts, and for presenting me with my first wiki-award. I've made all of the corrections you noted. All images now have fair use rationals, and have been reduced in size. However, there were panels which held text I felt a reader could benefit from reading, so as to understand the context of the panel. These panels were not fully shrunk. I have also deleted the trivia section (I never knew how to integrate that last note, and to be honest, I never felt it should have been added. I just kept hoping I'd eventually get some citation to validate its inclusion.) Your suggestion that it might be FA worthy seems optimistic, but I only hope that now that these adjustments have been made, nothing stands in the way of the article at least receiving GA status.-- Cast 00:56, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
Hiding,
Thank you for restoring the integrity of my talk page. Regards. Netkinetic (t/ c/ @) 01:03, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
Hey,
Hate to pester you, but is there anyway to get this semi-protected?
We've got what looks like an annom editor with a roaming IP and WP:OWN issues.
The preface to the IP is 75.176. It looks like he's "camping" Hyperion (Marvel Comics), Darkseid, Odin (comics), Wonder Man, and Thing (comics).
At the moment I'm about to hit the 3rd revert of his unexplained reversion of Hyperion. I've got a feeling I'm going to have to leave it in a bad state after this until Friday...
— J Greb 23:30, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
[9] I don't see what was wrong with the suggested compromise. Could you please explain to me why that edit was reverted?-- Ed ¿Cómo estás? 01:58, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
I noticed we tend to agree on some of the issues of Notability. I created a userbox for it to help group like minded wikipedians. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:User_AntiNotable DanielZimmerman 14:57, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
Hiding, thanks for your (late :-) ) support on my RfA. It passed with 55/0/0. I'll try my best to be worthy of the trust the community has put in me. If there are any of my actions you have a problem with or a question about, please feel free to discuss this with me and if needed to revert me. If there is anything else I can help you with (backlogs, comments, ...), you can always contact me on my talk page. Fram 15:24, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
You may have noticed some recent changes in the trivia/toomuchtrivia template. As a result of discussion at Template_talk:Toomuchtrivia, we're trying to bring the name of the tag, the wording, and the category into agreement with the current guidelines. Would you assist by moving <toomuchtrivia> to <trivia> and making <toomuchtrivia> the redirect? I would have taken it to Requested Page Moves for more discussion, but that seems to be for articles only. As you can see on the talk page, there is consensus already. Thanks! CovenantD 07:08, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
Dude, if anybody knows how you feel abou hitting the wall, it's me. Only in my case the wall keeps hitting back...
Only if you happen to be up and around on Wiki anyway, you might want to look at semi-protecting Captain America. Several times already today, despite what it says on the talk page, anon IPs and others keep inserting as fact, "Captain America's dead!" This is, course, at least twice for Cap (remember Steranko's run?), and there's been Superman, and Green Lantern, and Reed Richards, and Nick Fury.... Since at least the Daily News is running with Marvel's press release on this publicity stunt, this might go on for days.
Don't know if you're around, so I'll slip this note over to Chris Griswald as well. Hope you're OK -- Tenebrae 17:17, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
I did a lot of editing for the article about the webcomic El Goonish Shive. Now I'd like to request a peer review, but there are no specific procedures for webcomics, but there are some for comics. Do I need to enter El Goonish Shive into the comics project, and does it qualify for it because there are printed editions? Ambi Valent 15:20, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
Ran across something today that I'd like an admin's opinion on.
It's in two parts:
First is the edits by STEALTH RANGER to Captain. He's added a large section on "Captain" as used in fiction and prose, effectively doubling the article's size. It reads as OR to me but I would like a second opinion before either tagging it or out right removing it. I think he created it in order to support the second part.
This is List of Superhero Captains. The majority of it is by the same editor's hand. It smells of OR and blatant fan cruft. I'm not sure if tagging it will do any good or if it should go to AfD.
Thanks, — J Greb 19:08, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
Hi Hiding, ive looked through your contribs and i would like to award you some barnstars because i think you have earned them, Regards Anon
I saw your post about leaving or taking a break. I hope you won't stay away for long. I know exactly how you feel, believe me, but these things have happened before and people have moved forward, and they'll doubtless happen again. Nature of the beast, innit. SlimVirgin (talk) 03:17, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
I would like to move ahead with replacing the older version of the policy with the draft, and have posted notices to reflect that. Since you participated in writing it, please take a look at whether you think the current wording is acceptable. >Radiant< 13:00, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
there is currently a proposed amendment to include fair use images in the portal space at Wikipedia:Fair use/Amendment/Fair use images in portals2. I have decided to contact you because you expressed interest in this topic in the past. Please know that I am contacting all editors who partipated in discussions regarding this at WT:FUC. - ΖαππερΝαππερ Babel Alexandria 22:48, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
See Wikipedia:Templates for deletion/Template:pnc for the discussion, which will certainly spill over into larger issues. Your thoughts would be appreciated. -- Kevin Murray 23:21, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the heads up. I mean T-man no ill will, and hope he becomes a valued contributor to wikipedia. I am well, and hope you are too. Dyslexic agnostic 04:29, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
Firstly I wan't to claryfy that know that I need to both lay off permanently this issue and move on. Well, no, actually that's seconly, firstly I want to say hi and admit that I'm ashamed to bother you so soon, hahah. The thing is that after pointing out the redundant non-account-clearly-and-openly-linked IPs listed in my sockpuppet category page, I realised that User:200.112.96.113 is no less than an account that has nothing to do with me and that the checkUser result was "No proof available with CheckUser. —Matthew Brown (T:C) 12:42, 12 February 2006 (UTC)". So, although I won't insist, but in contrast with the other IPs I'm only reasonably asking to consider taking off because of their silly redundancy, I demand User:200.112.96.113 to be taken of the list and to report the person who put it there to the Administrators Notice Board or a permanent record, there is no way he didn't know that IP didn't match me in the Checkuser and if so it's a evidence of negligence on his part. All just in order to fill the Category page with a lot of crap in order to make it seem like I have an army of socks (which might make raise more than one eyebrowns suspecting bad faith on the responsible of the exesive listing). Again, as I said, I'm plenty aware that minding such issues was a mistake and that I need to lay them off and move on (although with the placement of the sockpupped tag in both my pages how could I have avoided noticing and eventually minding the negligence and redundancies), so I'm trusting the issues to you. I won't insist and I'll trust that whatever you do is in my best interest. Thanks for your time. -- T-man, the wise 08:04, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
I've requested mediation at the Mediation Cabal on the Foreword issue on behalf of 0-0-0-Destruct-0. The idea of an informal mediation is to try to get consensus with the help of a volunteer. Hopefully, we get the controversy solved without having. Of course, all of us are expected to have the the will of actually solve the problem. -- Neigel von Teighen 11:27, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
A request for informal mediation has been made regaring a dispute over
Taylor Allderdice High School that you have been listed as an involved party in. You can find this request at
Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2007-04-23 Taylor Allderdice High School. Please be aware that informal mediation is just that, informal, and it is an attempt to help all parties involved in a dispute reach consensus on an issue prior to escalating to more formal mediation or arbitration measures. Please indicate on either the case page or the disputed article's talk page if you are willing to accept this offer and attempt to work toward a solution. Thanks!
Arkyan •
(talk)
21:52, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
A while back we both were involved in an AFD on PlayRadioPlay! (I believe you were the admin who closed the discussion). Anyways, I was recently contacted by one of the band's supporters, and appearantly the band in question recently released an EP which has made it to the sixth spot on billboard.com's Top Electronic Albums [10], and according to the label's website, the band is starting a national tour soon [11]. It still might be a little premature to recreate the page, but I think its something we should keep our eye on. Any thoughts on the matter?-- Mbc 362 00:16, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
--~*LiSaSuArEz*~ 05:57, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
Hello Hiding, thank you for your proposed text for the Esperanza essay. In a certain way, I envy you for not having participated over the past several weeks of sometimes heated dispute over the issue. Let's see if the other people who have shown interest in the mediation will agree with your proposal. Thanks again. -- Kyok o 13:42, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
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Thank you. Wal ton Need some help? 15:33, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
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Well I did as there were some that were stumping me and anyway "many hands make light work" ;) There are also some cats that look like they need merging (already listed) but it was much needed all worked out fine. Obvious there will need to be blitzes on comic book companies and then titles but it now makes a lot more sense and people should be able to find the right place to put things instead of just dumping them which is the important thing after all. ( Emperor 13:28, 15 May 2007 (UTC))
Glad to know you're still with us, and not just in spirit! We miss having you around. Hope your break from this addictive thing is doing you good. All the best to you! -- Tenebrae 01:52, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
Certainly! There aren't any "rules" per se, since it's an informal sort of mediation, so you are always free to do what you feel is best. I would prefer that questions relevant to the discussion be made on the discussion page, although if you have a question you'd prefer to be "on the side" you may ask on my talk page as well. Arkyan • (talk) 14:44, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
Hi, I'm not sure if "See also" is deprecated. If so, this page needs updating: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:GTL#See_also A different section of the same page has info on a deprecated use of see also.
The reason the categories were put in "See also" is because they were illuminating to the topic and a reader seeking basic info would be unlikely to check the categories. Perhaps the links can be worked into the text of the article. -- Kenmayer 21:16, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
Hiding, Thanks for your comments. Your edit of List of comic strips looks like an excellent way to present relevant categories. Thanks! I may use it for the [Comic strip] article.-- Kenmayer 20:01, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
Hi Hiding, even though you may not have written the words of the essay, thanks for showing that in this case, less truly is more. Take care, -- Kyok o 23:03, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
I see you've moved Alternate versions of Lex Luthor to List of alternate versions of Lex Luthor. I don't really dispute your reasoning, but I just want to point out that there is a precedent in the original article name:
There's a lot more. I didn't even know they made a category. I remember their being an edit war over starting the articles with "list of" with the apparent consensus being "Alternate versions of..." Personally, I don't care either way, but I just wanted to point out those other articles. -- EXV // + @ 00:02, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
I'd appreciate your imput on this [16]. That and related categories are a bit of a mess and my thinking on it is:
It should all work out fine but I wanted to get more input so it can be done right and any flaws in the above can get pointed out now not later ;) ( Emperor 13:20, 25 May 2007 (UTC))
And while I'm hassling you I might as well flag the two merges I proposed the other day [17] - the List of graphic novels adapted into television or film has come up before but List of films based on English-language comics has been reworked since and it is a much more solid case and a better fit (and I was in favour of it last time ;) ). ( Emperor 13:28, 25 May 2007 (UTC))
Hey, Hiding. There are a couple of vandals making specious edits to the Sandman article, User:69.120.172.36 and User:216.54.173.2, the former of which seems to be getting into an edit war with me, in which I've been reverting his edits. At first glance, it's possible he thought his edits valid, since it involves Sandman's real name and alias, but I tried to explain to him on his Talk Page that the information I added was due to Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man Annual #1, which firmly clarified the issue. I even cited it as a Reference, but he has not responded to me, and just reverts the section. As for User:216.54.173.2, this person has already been rebuked on his Talk Page by someone else for blanking out material in another article. So these two may require that you or someone keep an eye on them. Thanks. Nightscream 22:45, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
Hi, a somewhat important clarification I think I should make. You did not offer to nominate Gracenotes for adminship. You offered to nominate Grace Note for adminship. They are completely different people â indeed, very much so, as evidenced by the fact that Grace Note opposed this RfA. Your comment is very worrying as it suggests to me that you, too, would have supported Gracenotes thinking they were someone else â as at least one oppose voter and possibly some support voters have already done. That a user would ever be judged based on the history of a completely unrelated user is unacceptable to me. I suggest in future you actually take the time to look at the candidate's contributions and history before making any sort of comment at all on their suitability for adminship, voting or otherwise â Gurch 16:09, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
Well, I know how you feel (or at least felt) about dealing with dispute resolution, but since you were the one who proposed User:Asgardian be on probation, I'd like your input at least on his current actions. See User talk:J Greb#Moving forward on Whizzer and Absorbing Man and its subsections for at least an introduction. If you're not interested, or would rather not be, I fully understand. - jc37 11:37, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
I've created Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Comics/Request for comment/Asgardian. Please add your comments there. References/diffs with explanations of why they are notable are most welcome. (I also cross-posted this to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Comics#Comics content related RfC for User:Asgardian, et al.)
After doing a bit of reading, and the numerous talk page threads scattered throughout talk-verse, I thought a single page to discuss concerns might be a good idea. - jc37 14:00, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
Just a quick note that there seems to be a consensus for my proposed solution Talk:Wildstorm#Merges but I thought I'd drop you a note as your input is appreciated (it is quite a big topic so needs to be done right) and I'll probably end up hassling you for the move. I have started preparing a quick wrapper for the WorldStorm entry to get it refocused. If you move it do you want to add it or leave it for me to do? ( Emperor 15:41, 11 June 2007 (UTC))
It is so good to see your name around the project again. I had to take about 2 1/2 weeks off myself. Welcome back!-- Tenebrae 19:22, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
If you wouldn't mind, I'd like your thoughts on:
- jc37 23:35, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
Just notify me when you feel like getting more input on the article. I'll make a thorough read-through and maybe do a little odd copyediting here and there.
Peter Isotalo 16:50, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
Hi, Hiding. I was just wondering if you'd care to look in at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Comics/Request for comment/Asgardian, and perhaps let the participants know what our options are. No one seems able to work with Asgardian, who is creating extreme frustration among a number of WPC editors. I know banning is a last resort, but after more than a year of his disrupting the WPC to make what other editors consider a habit of pointless points, many of us are at wits' end. Mayhap we need the calm hand or an insightful suggestion by the elder statesman of WPC? I mean this is all and complete sincerity. -- Tenebrae 19:18, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
I saw the thread at the community noticeboard, figured I'd chuck a suggestion in. See what you think, and comment at Wikipedia:Community sanction noticeboard#User:Asgardian. Cheers. Hiding Talk 18:31, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
I just had to revert a bunch of Ultimate X-Men characters that were recreated by User:Miharakamikazi. A list could be found on their contribution page. Can you edit protect those pages to prevent this nonsense from coming back? -- 69.177.242.99 22:48, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
It was mostly just typos, additions, and wording fixes — nothing that can really be struck out. I have a rather bad habit of trying to add comments or fix issues after posting for some reason. Originally, I wanted to add something about "fictional databases" of characters, terms etc. that don't provide any real-world context to WP:NOT. Users felt that such a treatment belongs at WP:FICT, not WP:NOT, so here I am. My goal is for all these endless lists of in-universe information to be merged and/or shipped to other Wikis, but not deleted (I don't like deletion of this sort of material), or for them to be turned into actual encyclopedia articles (like how List of Final Fantasy VIII characters was turned into Characters of Final Fantasy VIII). If you agree, what would you consider to be a good solution? — Deckill er 18:33, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
In the rewrite, though, I tried to establish that articles that don't meet such standards should be given time to develop and should only be deleted as a last resort (if a merge, transwiki, or other option is unavailable). The goal was to make the standard clear but also make deletionist look like the simple/easy way out. — Deckill er 19:53, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
Got any examples? I've kept an eye on them as they've been created and think most are fine - I've checked through and there are quite a few I'd like to see expanded (and some that need heavy reformatting) but few where few support a merge (a bit like merging a handful of relevant entries to "DC comics mini-series" - you could do it but it'd be messy). Also, as you know, I object to the term "strips" ;) ( Emperor 20:52, 29 June 2007 (UTC))
Hi, I'd like to hear you opinion on the following debate. ( Merging Alternate Versions of Characters) -- 69.182.78.104 05:37, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
Am I right in thinking I may have just taken Troll bait? - J Greb 05:03, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
It's always good to hear from you, even when I make a mistake. (How else does one learn?) Let me ask, since I guess I misread or misremembered, and I couldn't find it just now, but wasn't there a guideline at some point saying official go under References (as opposed to External links)?
The wiki thing at WP:EL seems vague now that I re-read it: Disallowed are "links to open wikis, except those with a substantial history of stability and a substantial number of editors." I'm pretty sure the policy is that, for instance, IMDb always goes under Ext links and not Refs. Does that ring a bell, or am I already in early stages of senility? :- ) Thanks for any help! And again, it's great to have you back. -- Tenebrae 22:53, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
I just wanted to ask why you deleted the wikipedia page for N Visible Records. This is a real record label, and it is my business. We have several releases, and you can also find our music on itunes. We have sold over 20,000 CDs, and done concerts with our artists all over the country in New York, LA, Chicago, Georgia, Toronto, Montreal, and Manchester TN to name a few. If you do a google search you will find several links to N Visible Records related sites. Please consider reinstating this piece of information on Wikipedia. If it doesn't happen as a wikipedia entry now, it will happen when we sell more records. Thank you for your consideration.
Ben Garvey President N Visible Records nvisiblerecords@gmail.com www.nvisiblerecords.com 161.150.2.58 00:04, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
Blatant advertising. Pages which exclusively promote a company, product, group, service, or person and which would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become encyclopedic. Note that simply having a company, product, group, service, or person as its subject does not qualify an article for this criterion; an article that is blatant advertising should have inappropriate content as well.
On Wikipedia, we have a few guidelines to guide us in writing articles, and I think two that probably serve here are Conflict of interestwhich discusses editing involves contributing to Wikipedia in order to promote yourself or the interests of other individuals, companies, or groups; and notability guidance for organizations and companies which helps determine whether an organization (commercial or otherwise) is a valid subject for a Wikipedia article.
Now if you want the article restored at this point, then let me know and I'll happily list it at deletion review, and it can be discussed, and if the community agrees, it can be restored. However, I think it might be more prudent to wait until you do sell more records, and thus gain more coverage in the media. Wikipedia has grown so large now, and being an encyclopedia rather than a general internet resource, that we've had to implement such guidances as I have explained, and mainly what we are trying to implement are our five core content policies, namely that information be verifiable, that information not be made up or form a novel presentation, that information be presented in a balanced manner, along with the policies that determine what we are not and what we do not want. I hope that helps. Good luck with the business. Hiding Talk 12:41, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
Pretty sure you're still watching the RfC for Asgardian, but just in case...
User:Lots42 posted to the RfC with a concern about Asgardian's conduct on Wonder Man. I've posted a reply to the RfC, but it looks like the exact same conduct that others have been complaining about.
- J Greb 07:08, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
I've kept thinking things over and come up with a more elegant solution (although I bear in mind this might have been what you were aiming at in the first place ;) ) which could be used for other publishers (and would technically probably be more in line with general guidelines than some current lists). It came up on a discussion on how to deal with some of the DC comics series [18] and the solution works for the 2000 AD titles. Rather than just a collection of merged entries that might not be enough to support their own entry (at the moment) have something like 2000 AD titles with sections for each title. Where the entry is solid you can use Template:Main to link to it and when it currently isn't they can be merged into the entry. It might be that this needs to be broken down into say ""2000 AD titles A-M" as there are a lot (see e.g. this [19]). It would a fix for those DC Thomson comics (although for a lot the titles sections can be kept in the main entry) and the same approach would help fix up entries that seem "messy" for example List of Wildstorm titles which could be broken down with a "Wildstorm Universe titles" entry, one on the signature series and expand the Homage Comics entry. It'd move to a more prose approach and avoid excessive listiness. Over listiness is a bit of a concern about some other publishers entries (like Dark Horse Comics and IDW Publishing which are nearly all list) and expanding the titles sections (and/or splitting them off) with a paragraph on each (and Main linking to the main entries where they exist) would make the entries much more solid. It'd also mean people can expand the section on a title, add sources and then see if it is worth splitting off which would be a much better approach than just throwing out the entry and seeing if it flies (which would then tend to lead to entries on comic titles/mini-series getting a good solid start and not falling afoul of the future WP:FICT guidelines and if it did there would be a quick and simple solution - expand it or merge it back into the list). So that'd be a solution I could get behind. It is straightforward and fairly neat and would address a series of concerns about a variety of comic entries as well as potentially leading to comic series/mini-series entries getting the best possible start. Thoughts? ( Emperor 13:48, 9 July 2007 (UTC))
Saw that you were interested in this topic. Was wondering about the Awards given out. Wanted to add them for each year but am becoming confused by different things said in different articles. Care to help? BiAndBi 23:09, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
Just a point of interest... Net's change here did cite cultural impact, not time from first publishing. - J Greb 05:54, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
Re: Blood Brothers...I understand you are trying to keep the peace, but above and beyond the article doesn't such a move have to be formally ratified? By this logic, all the comic articles should have one generic entry that combines PH and FCB. Big call...
Asgardian 09:28, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
Hi, Hiding. We can make it "working on" -- no biggie. It's just that since many graphic novels are the work of a separate writer and artist, and since I, just for one example, didn't know if Talbot was a writer or a writer-artist, I honestly didn't know what "working on" meant. "Working on" also suggested to me that it wasn't finished, whereas "wrote and drew" was clearer to me both in that sense and in what he actually did. As you said, though, it's not a factual or a WPC-style point, but a semantic one. You're the more experienced Wikipedian between the two of us, so I'll go with whichever you choose. Cheers! -- Tenebrae 20:02, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
I have enormous respect for everything you've brought and continue to bring to WikiProject Comics — you know that. That's why it was only with equally enormous trepidation I changed your Blood Brothers edit. I know I take a great risk in doing so, in terms of good will and credibility. I'm just concerned, and I believe it's a very legitimate concern, that if we unilaterally merge the PH anad FCB sections here, in contradiction to Wikipedia:WikiProject Comics/exemplars#Comic book characters, that this will throw WPC into disarray. There will no longer be a bright-line guideline, and every comic-book character article will be an arguable judgment call as to whether it "deserves" separate sections or a merged section.
Perhaps this ought to be discussed on the Exemplars talk page before such a sea change takes place. What do you think? Your friend, -- Tenebrae 15:26, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
I've replied on my talk page, just a heads up in case you're not watching it. SamBC 15:44, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
Do you think it is good judgment to threaten blocks with identical messages to five people? I find it highly offensive that you would accuse five people of "edit warring" for good-faith edits using form letters. I don't know about the other edits to the page, but mine were minor, and if you think they qualify as "edit warring" per WP:EW, then you consider "repeatedly" to mean "once." I think you owe all of us an apology. BenB4 15:46, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
Threatening an established editor with with a block for implementing a consensus edit is deeply disturbing. Are you saying you get to decide what is consensus over respected established editors of a page? Please refrain from setting yourself up as judge jury and jail-keeper. WAS 4.250 16:46, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
I replied on my talk page. If you check the edit history carefully, I was following the instructions of the unprotecting admin to the letter. - Crockspot 16:53, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
Form-letter advisory: Apparently, you've placed a "form-letter" type advisory on my discussion page advising against "edit warring". Although I appreciate your efforts to inform contributors of reasonable expectations regarding WP policy and modifications thereto, I can assure you I have taken quite consistent steps in both incrementally discussing, obtaining assent for, and carefully substantiating my (relatively minimal) direct actions regarding WP policy.
Moreover, the apparent action that triggered your form-letter advisory was this edit ( [21]), which did not constitute a substantive change, but rather was a good-faith restoration of the prior terms of the policy (pending discussion), and was immediately substantiated with a specific and simple explanation on the relevant talk page.
I am well aware that there has been some recent contention around the page in question. A close examination will reveal that, quite opposite from "warring", my single edit was simply a narrowly-tailored and specific request for contributors to protect the internal consistency of the language in WP policy; regardless of however that language happens to evolve through the proper application of discussion, review and consensus.
Given that I have not even taken a "side" (other than the side of logical consistency) in any recent or pending dispute, your advisory seems non-relevant (even though well-intentioned). Consequently, unless you have any clarification you would like to present, I intend to remove your message from my discussion page entirely. Thank you, best regards to you, and best wishes in you ongoing participation with Wikipedia. dr.ef.tymac 17:54, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
I just wanted to say that I'm sorry if I reacted harshly to your form letter. I think it wasn't the best way to deal with the situation, but I believe it was well-intentioned, and I want to thank you for trying to sort the situation out. SamBC 21:43, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
Thank you Hiding...I mean that...thank you. I will keep [22] link wherein you state: "We have a policy which states we can ignore rules to the betterment of the encyclopedia, and in my opinion my version better suits the official guidelines and policies". I'll remember it well the next time an overzealous editor attempts to steer a discussion towards his selective application of guidelines and policies without "discussing bright clear lines and what this or that article merits". It is interesting that a more established editor such as Tenebrae has entered your crosshairs, and even more interesting at the reaction from several above on something I noticed several months ago. Regards and take care. Netkinetic (t/ c/ @) 04:01, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
Hi. I tried copyediting a section in The Devil's Rejects article, and every time I do so, it blanks everything below it, even though there was not size notice in the Edit page. Can you assist?
Also, the post above this one caught my attention, and I ended up doing some reading, and I have to say that I'm perplexed" Ignore all rules???? It's one thing to say that rules have to be applied with logic, common sense and situational individuality, but ignoring them? Isn't that a bit extreme, at least in the wording? I read the pages on that policy, and I just don't get it. How can common sense, improvement to an article, etc., trump any sort of application of the rules? Can you give an example of a legitimate edit that constituted an ignoring of all the rules??? Thanks. Nightscream 02:02, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
Hiding, could I ask you please not to unprotect V again (or any other protected policy)? It's the second time you've done it without discussion, and on both occasions the result was that it needed to be protected again. Please allow the protecting admins to decide. A week isn't a long time to keep a core policy protected, because they need to be stable and shouldn't be edited much anyway. Many thanks, SlimVirgin (talk) (contribs) 19:44, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
Hi,
At some point you expressed an interest in supporting meta:Wikimedia UK. We're now ready to begin receiving applications from prospective members. If you would like to join, application forms and further information can be found at: http://www.wikimedia.org.uk/join. Feel free to ask me if you have any questions, either via my user page at the English Wikipedia or by email (andrew.walker@wikimedia.org.uk).
Thanks, Andreww 14:49, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
(Membership officer, Wikimedia UK)
Hello! I hope you are feeling great! Anyway, I would like to have your expert help with regards to a template. For further information, please view this page. I hope that you will be able to fix this minor problem, so as to achieve greater consistency in this project. -- S iva1979 Talk to me 15:26, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
Someone removed your PROD from Dustland with a note that they'd expand the entry but the PROD has expired. Not sure what you want to do about that but I thought I'd give you a heads up ;) ( Emperor 20:57, 25 July 2007 (UTC))
1) Where can I read up on doing references better? You know, the little HTML you click on and it takes you to the bottom of the article and it says 'Spiderman #442 July 9 Whatever'
2) What is the right amount of references in a comic book article?
3) Is it frowned upon to delete disruptive comments off your own topic page?
4) I did get all verklempt and I did do a full revert on Asgardian's changes on the Wrecking Crew article. Was the reverting in and of itself a bad thing? I know, I should have stepped away from the whole mess for a while. Acting while ticked off is never a good thing, even if the results are nuetral.
5) When I make a comment on a discussion page, do I need to make a little summary in the box that usually appears down below?
Anywho, thanks in advance, the Wiki explanation articles are quite overwhelming. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lots42 ( talk • contribs) 19:03, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
I have been placing comments for all edits in the Summary. They are all valid and correct. I think that this supposed indiscretion is in fact simply a difference of opinion as to what is major and minor. I regard image play and rearranging large tracts of text to be major, not the removal of incorrect information in a conversational and unsourced POV tone. If you consider "minor" to be simply grammar, numbers etc. then so be it. That's minor. However, this is hardly "earth shaking". A simple note on the Talk Page would have sufficed.
Further to this, it would appear that once again all the "good editing" that I have been doing has been conveniently ignored, which even extends to rewriting substandard articles lacking information or reeking of fan-fuelled POV (eg. Blacklash and Infinity Gauntlet).
Also, the claim that I am practicing WP:OWN and WP:DISRUPT is untrue.
As to WP:OWN, see Hyperion and Black Bolt, where I not only accepted (as we all should) new information on articles I have written but also did a slight tidy up to improve it. But, there it stays. It is only when incorrect/POV/unsourced/ information appears that I will pull it, and as promised leave a note in the Summary. As for WP:DISRUPT, it would be a disruption if I left no comments...which I did. They are all accurate.
I also draw your attention to the comments which I took the time to post on user Lots42 page, as he asked me a direct question. I also addressed the rather immature comment made by user 204.153.84.10. User Lots42 then chose to delete my comment, claming it was the beginning of a flame war, which for my part was not. You can still see my response on the page, and an additional comment by user 204.153.84.10, who is clearly not objective and is hiding behind a number (who is this person?).
I was happy to discuss the matter with Lots42 further, but he has had a "knee-jerk" reaction as opposed to asking for more detail, which I would have given. On an aside, the comments stand - the edits were subjective POV, too conversational and lacked sources. This is not Wikipedia practice.
I also find J. Greb's comment to be in bad faith. The very title "Yup...again" says as much. I would like to kindly suggest that my fellow posters show both civility and good faith, which has not always been evident. This type of behaviour has been adminished by some of my peers, but unfortunately, seems to go unnoticed by moderators.
To conclude, I believe objectivity seems to have "left the building." There now appears to a small "lynch mob" that in Doczilla's own words is acting like a " probation officer waiting to bust him". I will make the odd mistake from time to time - as will everyone else - but this should not an opportunity for someone to instantly pounce. Look at the last dozen Edits I have made - have they improved Wikipedia or not?
I still like the idea of a "monitor" who can watch for any possible breaches. Both Doczilla and Netkinetic have shown objectivity and made valid comments in this capacity.
Asgardian —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.134.161.236 ( talk • contribs) 02:59, 7 July 2007 (UTC).
You wanted clarification if receipt of tax credits, a state benefit, confers eligibility for concessionary membership. As I've answered on my talk page (for now, I'll build that list of FAQ's soon), it does make the recipient eligible for the reduced rate. Andreww 08:17, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
Hi, Hiding. Listen, I tried adding a source to the Midnighter article, one that I used twice in the article, and I tried to use the "ref name" tag in order to make it show up just once in the References section with the a-b-c thingee, but I must've done something wrong, because it shows up instead as the first and third source, and the third one is blank. I tried checking the notes that I keep on how to format these things, and I can't see where I went wrong. Can you tell me where I screwed up? Thanks. Nightscream 03:10, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
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Thanks for all you do, particularly Wikipedia:Fun ~ Infrangible 01:47, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
Howdy! It's been a while since I ran in to you, I hope things are going well for you Wiki-wise as well as otherwise. Anyway, after my unsuccessful nomination for adminship several weeks ago you had mentioned you might want to help with a nomination should I decide to try again. I've been considering the idea again recently and may throw my hat into the ring once more, and since you'd mentioned it I thought I ought to run the idea by you. Hopefully I haven't made any major mistakes since then and have improved as an editor.
Either way, I do hope all is well with you. Happy editing! ɑʀк ʏɑɴ 22:39, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
Hi there. I was just curious as to if anything ever happened with the dispute with User:Dsmith1usa in Politico-media complex? I had referred the WP:WQA on that dispute to another forum, since it didn't appear I could help any further. Never heard anything more about it, so I just wanted to find out how things went. — KieferSkunk ( talk) — 19:13, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
Is the Truth 'wikibonk'ty you again yet?
Dsmith1usa 11:16, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
I suggest to all of us, "It is in our best interests to move along ...,"
... before you get yourself in further trouble.
[Statutes to be appended. But funny enough, can't get 'threatening' laws on-line. N'mind, I've got the law books anyway. You will have (criminal) statute.]
Yes welle, the soone doo'n dette...
Dsmith1usa 11:21, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
Dsmith1usa 14:23, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
Hi, Hiding. Listen, for some reason, everything past the Cast table in The Real World: Hawaii article does not show up in the article, including the Ref section. I figured it might be a reference source tag accidentally left unbracketed, but I can't find one. Can you help? Thanks. Nightscream 05:43, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
Hiding could we get your input here? Cheers. ( Emperor 14:56, 22 August 2007 (UTC))
My final, final (!) response to KeiferSkunk et. al.:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dsmith1usa#Public_Order_Act_.281986.29
Dsmith1usa 10:47, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
Please, please, ... start the machine. We all need, all of us, more 'spectacles.'
Do exhibit yourselves ...
Dsmith1usa 14:48, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
So you are in the loop since I directed User:Neil to you. Please see the block logs here and here, the history here, and the comparison here.
Now pardon me while I duck the expected flaming for bringing this to the attention of the Admins that have been involved in this debacle. - J Greb 00:51, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
Hi, I was told to perhaps give the idea a second chance.
What do you think? -- Cat chi? 17:26, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
User:Freak104 keeps merging Hulk 2099 into Alternate versions of Hulk without any type of discussion. Can you please revert and lock the pages? -- 69.183.15.244 19:44, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
User:Freak104 may also be using a wp:sockpuppet with User:66.189.137.113 based on boths obsession with my talk page and when User:66.189.137.113 blanked nearly the entire talk page here [24] so that it only supported Freak104's stance on the discussion. -- 69.183.15.244 23:53, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
User:Freak104 keeps merging Doom 2099 with discussion to Alternate versions of Doctor Doom without any protection. In the case of Doom and Hulk, the editor in question is approaching the 3 revert rule. 66.109.248.114 22:46, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
I don't know if you've been following the ups and downs with Asgardian, but he's at it again over at Whizzer. I've popped a note on the talks of Neil, last admin to deal with Asgardian, and Jc73, who handled the Whizzer RfC, and a synopsis of what just happened is here: Talk:Whizzer#Today's edit.
I'm looking for suggestions as to who/where to take this now.
Thanks - J Greb 19:18, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the reminder. I usually prod articles while working in the Wikipedia:Dead-end pages project and I' m checking many pages very fast. I added a reason after your comment. Friendly, Magioladitis 23:19, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
Twice now you've accused my nominations for deletion in bad faith, stating that they're simply due to WP:IDONTLIKEIT. Please assume good faith and comment on content instead of editors' motives. Thanks. / Blaxthos 15:36, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
Hi, I forgot if it was you I already informed by e-mail or someone else, but I've found the article you requested at the Newspaper and magazine request service (now Resource Exchange). If you could send me your e-mail address, then I'll mail you a scan of the article. I now this is a late reaction, but I'm trying to revive the project. Hope the article is still of use to you. Key to the city 16:46, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
Just wondering if you had any input on this (discussion continues on the Notice Board talk page) - it could prove interesting and even out the quality of some of the important articles as well as bumping some others up a bit too. Obviously your input is always appreciated ;) ( Emperor 19:52, 10 October 2007 (UTC))
Did you mean Wikipedia in general or the Comics WikiProject? If the latter, where have we gone wrong in your eyes? - jc37 20:03, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
I'm in a better place than I could be, so I'm guessing I'm in a fairly good mood. I tend to keep my comments tight and not drift so much, it's the article space which is important. Also, if you don't say so much, people can't use it against you. And I got fed up being a referee, and all that goes with it. I haven't had it as bad as some admins, but I have reached my limit with the trolling. I'm also noticing that my peer group, or what I consider to be my peer group, is slowly drifting away. So maybe it just happens. But most of all, like I say, I think my view of what Wikipedia is no longer fits with where the project actually is. Hiding Talk 13:05, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
I thought that you might like to know that here the proposer of a new project which has the stated objective of actively restoring trivia sections to articles stated your closing of the poll was done, and I quote, by the ""closing" editor, who was not working on behalf of any known Wikipedia process, noted a 62% majority as reason to make the guideline." If you feel that you would have any reason to comment on this matter, I don't imagine anyone would have any objections to your clarifying your own actions or making any other statements you might deem reasonable. John Carter 20:37, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
You previously mentioned you had done some work on creating taskforces/workgroups and it has come up in relation to the comic strip project (which has gone inactive and is up for a merge - if merged it'd be a good idea to make it a workgroup) [25]. I know you are currently working elsewhere and if you point me in the right direction I'll see what I can do about getting such things up and running. Thanks again for all your efforts. ( Emperor 14:06, 17 October 2007 (UTC))
I think your warning is misplaced. Here you can see that even Asgardian was accepting of the image I was restoring, one which earlier in that same section, had found consensus to be used. The other image lacked certain criteria for comic infobox images, per the Comics Wikiproject. My explanations continued throughout, I used the talk to explain, and again find consensus with one ofthe editors, and so on. This was not a case of edit warring, which usually is little more than shouting "I'm right" in summaries while ignoring the talk page. Instead, I used talk to work with others, and gave clear reasons why. Asgardian and I used the talk, and he agreed with me that the older image had consensus and would be acceptable to him, thus enlarging the consensus. Although Asgardian's hit multiple articles with this, I think you jumped the gun on accusing any of the three of us on that article. I think that had DCIncarnate returned to the page, he would've seen the talk page discussions as well, and likely been fine with it, or responded with reasons; I've seen his edits around before, he's not the sort to thoroughly blow off talk pages to get 'his version'. Further, adding such a warning a full 18 hours after the last relevant edit was made seems a rather long delay. ThuranX 11:40, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
You deleted this article on 10th October on the grounds that Ashley Miller is no a renowned photographer. I don't recall putting this in the article. I certainly agree with you that she is not a renowned photographer. However as a renowned artist, the page i wrote should not have been deleted. Please restore and I shall ammend the entry. From user Nickamery 12:29, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
Not a problem. You are one of the most knowledgeable, fair-minded and responsible editors and admins I've encountered in my two-plus years on Wikipedia. I know you were only doing your job without favoritism, and that it was boilerplate warning text. Your follow-up only reinforces my high opinion of you. And too little of you we've seen lately, BTW! With warm wishes as always, -- Tenebrae 16:10, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
I moved the merger discussion section to the page I made the link to, so, in fact, the link on the Superman project talk page was accurate. Just letting you know. John Carter 16:26, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
I'm sorry to bother you with this. It's the same thing once more here at Speed Demon (Marvel Comics), where no matter how many other editors disagree with him, he just keeps coming back and reverting in order to, I believe, just wear us out.
He has promised in the past not to edit war, and he never lives up to his promise. I don't know what to do anymore. -- Tenebrae 18:37, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
- If he reverts any article more than once per 24 hour period or more than 2 times in any 7 day period or more than 3 times in any 30 day period then brief blocks could follow, up to a week in the event of repeat offenses. After 5 blocks the maximum block shall increase to one month, and after 10 blocks increase to six months.
Hiding, feel free to forward this to DRV. If you can find sufficient non-trivial references (I mention that because many of the articles found by Google Archive seem to be passing mentions), then I'll !vote overturn as well. Cheers, Caknuck 17:16, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
Its what all the ladies say ;)
I just say it and thought it worth dropping a few into the main articles and let them trickle down. It might be worth tasking a bot to remove the Webcomics header and drop in the workgroup link if that is possible (ditto the Batman one I suppose). It'd be the most efficient way of doing it.
Anyway great work. The only thing I noticed was all entries were getting the information about B-class rating which might be a bit confusing. I'm sure you have it in hand and it was the only thing I spotted - everything else seems to be working smoothly. Well done. ( Emperor 15:14, 26 October 2007 (UTC))
The comic was recently moved when the name, Warrior (comics), was fine while the new name (comic book) is less so but I can't seem to undo the move which is odd - any idea what I'm doing wrong? ( Emperor 21:34, 27 October 2007 (UTC))
Thank you for supporting my recent RfA. It was successful, and I was promoted to Administrator today. I appreciate the support! — KieferSkunk ( talk) — 23:10, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
Hello Hiding. I've unprotected this article. It was protected for quite some time so it's okay to unprotected and see if the war is over (or, if at least the warrying parties will commit to keep discussing rather than start making unilateral changes right away). Best regards, Hús ö nd 18:57, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
Not a biggie but unassessed articles are going into a redlinked cat - seems the categories that were sketched out are named "article" and the redlinks are to "articles". I've made the Marvel one workable and you can see the issue here: Category:Unassessed-Class comics articles by work group. Easily fixed - if you pick one I'll sort them out. I'm just not sure which is the preferred naming. ( Emperor 01:42, 1 November 2007 (UTC))
Re: If such things were allowed, I'd transfer my admin powers to you -- for some reason, that gave me a chuckle when I read it. And regardless of how serious that was or wasn't, thanks for saying so. As for the frustration thing, I don't actually get frustrated very easily. There are times when I have to decide to get frustrated and to express it because it seems useful for the situation -- maybe not for the short run but for longer-term considerations. Sometimes it's better to look unreasonable than to look like a pushover. Knowing when frustration needs to be expressed in a virtual environment like this is trickier than real life because of the lack of body language, so you have to use trial and error to see when it works. Sometimes it turns out to have been the wrong way to go. You can't know until you try. Among the many reasons I'm not sure if I want to be an administrator is because right now, I can pick and choose how reasonable I need to be. Although I've never vented to the point of asking someone anything remotely like "Are you totally deranged?", I can still test out some "emotive language" (as Asgardian put it 13 months ago) that I don't think I ought to use as an admin.
There's no rush. Right now, I want to spend some time working on what I consider to be some of my weak points, which is a good exercise regardless of any RfA. For example, I've seen people vote against admin nominees because of a lack of experience with images, and I do very little with images, mainly because I like working with words. As I recall, the only picture I've ever added is of George Romero from last summer's Comic-Con. And I really need to use more of the tools already available to us like VP before anyone makes the case that I need admin tools.
Again, thanks, Hiding.
Take care,
"Doc" Doczilla 20:18, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
After discovering the edit history at Awesome Android, I've initiated a request for arbitration myself at Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration#Comic book characters. I'm letting you know because I mention the rfc you created as one of the dispute resolution methods tried. Hiding Talk 16:30, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
So... just so I'm straight on what happens next... it's up to Asgardian and Tenebrae to comment then for other involved, but not named editors, such as myself, BOZ, Doczilla, Net, etc, to chime in? - J Greb 22:10, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
Both parties have made statements at Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration#Comic book characters. Hiding Talk 21:50, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
Oh, I wasn't saying there's no point to the case. I'm just saying that, after all this time, I'm skeptical (probably more pessimistic actually) as to what it will actually accomplish. I do realize that there have been times when outsiders have asked why there haven't been more blocks, more reports, etc., to establish the need for intervention. Given the history, I doubt this arbitration case will fix everything, so I'm asking both Tenebrae and Asgardian what they each really think will have to happen. Aside from pointing out what anyone has done wrong in the past, where do they each think this needs to go in the future? Doczilla 18:36, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
I've been looking over Category:Lists of superheroes and can't figure out why List of Jewish superheroes appears in italics. I can't find anything on either page or the redirect page that would make that happen. Doczilla 22:23, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
Hi Hiding, I'm replying per your comments on the Batman talk page. I have been doing a long-term revamp of the page in the past year (sometimes working it out on a user page, sometimes not) in order to spruce up what I felt was at the time a lackluster article that did not adhere to current FA standards. I've done a lot since then. The reworking of the "Skills, resources, and abilities" page was one of the last things to go, and I am about halfway done with that on my user page. However, as I have related to Doczilla on his talk page, with the recent talk page debates about section headings and listing every Batman writer and all that (which I feel miss the point of what I was trying to do for months and instead focused on irrelevant minute) I've decided to step back from working on the article for the time being due to frustration. I do plan to continue fixing up the article in the future, but I don't know when. WesleyDodds 01:13, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
Not sure I'm with you on the move of the clean-up to be a sub-page of the noticeboard, for me it would be a top level page. Also, on the {{ WPCMC}}, you've hidden the workgroups in the resources section, I'd rather have it shown. It looks like we're starting to tread on each others toes a bit, I was planning on running through that to add templates, so I guess this is the part where we start talking. :) I had been planning to archive the notice board, but I saw you split it off into sub-pages, which is another way to go. Hiding Talk 18:42, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
Hello,
An Arbitration case involving you has been opened: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Asgardian-Tenebrae. Please add any evidence you may wish the Arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Asgardian-Tenebrae/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Asgardian-Tenebrae/Workshop.
On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, Newyorkbrad 15:38, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
I really hate picking on anyone by "name" but Bluecatcinema won't respond to the notices I put on his/her page, but is stubbornly continuing to insert unsourced Amalgam character information into articles. Maybe it would help if someone else would offer a comment asking if the person would please stop adding such information while we're discussing this at WikiProject Comics and to contribute to that discussion. Doczilla 17:55, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
We're pretty much discussed out regarding the move of the above page. The general consensus is that Vertigo (imprint) is more future proof but Vertigo (comics) is perhaps in line with guidance. You're the only one who strongly argued against imprint, so if you could pop back in and maybe we can get the whole thing squared away? Hiding Talk 10:36, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
There seems to be some miscommunication at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Comixtalk. I think I answered your question by saying "We can't write a neutral article based on press releases." Maybe you have a good idea for merging this that I don't see yet, but I don't see how, without better sources, we can merge this into any other article without giving this undue weight compared to every other blog that has written about itself an/ore recieved minimal press mentions. And I don't think we ought to have an article that is the equivalent of List of web sites that have issued press releases or anything. Does that make sense? Again, maybe you have a great idea for a way of merging this in a neutral manner, but I don't see it yet, so maybe you could articulate your merger vision more clearly. Until then, I probably won't see a way to cover this topic in a neutral manner without better sources. I'd hate to see all the non-neutral/incorrect information about "webcomics community" "screaming for a centralized hub" and "the first online publication primarily focused on webcomics" jammed into some other article. Does that make sense? Or do you still need to keep asking the same question without answering mine? -- Dragonfiend 13:59, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
I noted your reverts of my cn tag placement in the article, and it appears you were correct in removing some of them. However, while WP:LEAD says to try and avoid citations in the Lead, it doesn't banish them altogether; I should know, I fought long and hard to have them removed completely, and was unsuccessful. Therefore, I know that avoiding citations in the Lead requires one of two things - either stating things in a general enough manner that the statemetns aren't likely to be be questioned/contested, or to break the rules and ignore the rules altogether. I cited what needed citing. This edit removed citation tags asking for verification of information that either did not appear in the article or wasn't cited within the article. Your next two reverts I am willing to concede might provide satisfactory information about the book (though not enough for the listed artists). Your last revert draws attention to the idea that all of the events descrbed in the ensuing passage all occured within the same issue - and they did not. This is why it seems fairly important that, when plot points develop, to cite a reference point inthe comic. You are free to discuss the matter in the article discussion page, but I have reverted the two instances I have drawn attention to here. - Arcayne (cast a spell) 17:59, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
Do you fancy pointing over at Category talk:Lists of superheroes. I asked Doc his thoughts on all the lists and he's posted there, and I think there's some substance in what he says. Hiding Talk 21:30, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
I just want to say that this ( Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Wikipedia:Requests for adminship#View by Hiding) was well said. Very well said. I'm not going to get involved, because I haven't read, nor do I have time to read, many of the other arguments, but you've already convinced me. FerralMoonrender ( MyTalk • MyContribs • EmailMe) 01:37, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
Hindsight is a very useful thing. Granted the information you had at the time, your decision was perfectly reasonable - trust me, no hard feelings from me. Thanks for the note - it was totally unexpected. -- Tawker 06:15, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
Now you know how I felt about RFA/Carcaroth (grin) - jc37 20:28, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
Hi. On Nov 8 you merged the Ballistic (DC comics) article into the Bloodlines article. I was wondering why it was merged and what I needed to do to get it back as an individual article. I'm new and inexperienced at this so your help with this would be appreciated. My user name is kyletheobald. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kyletheobald ( talk • contribs) 05:02, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
Hi Hiding,
Thanks for taking the time to stop by my talk page and comment about my speedy closure of the Rincewind AfD yesterday. I don't think you're out of date or missing anything--the section on non-admin closings states very clearly that non-admin closes are welcomed during backlogs. My choice to close it early citing WP:SNOW was primarily motivated by the fact that the discussion had started taking a bit of a nasty turn, with new commenters adding disparaging comments about the nominator and the sole dissenting voice being effectively shouted down. Although I'm sure an administrator would have come along sooner or later, I decided to be bold and put things to a stop before any real accusations started flying.
But your point is well-taken, and I won't be doing any more early non-admin closures.
As for your other question, I have considered running for admin, and I've decided it's something I'd like to do. However, I've also read enough RfA backlogs to know that I probably wouldn't have a shot if I ran now, and since I don't want to get ahead of myself, I've put myself on editor review to get some feedback on how I'm doing overall instead. So hopefully after some reviews and admin coaching I'll be a bit more certain of where I am in terms of knowledge about how this place works; when that happens, then hopefully you'll drop by my RfA to put in your two cents :)
Thanks again for the helpful advice! -- jonny-mt( t)( c) Tell me what you think! 09:37, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
Hey, were you doing anything interesting with them? Not that I mind of course, I'm just curious :) It was a skin that I was trying to create (and it needs the corresponding .js file) but I've abandoned it for the moment because I couldn't get the layout right. -- DatRoot 15:29, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
Regarding this, [30], see this, [31]. That's why it is a good idea to keep localised copies of your talk page messages. :) Hiding Talk 15:04, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
...but what doe we do with shite like this - User talk:J Greb#Phil Sandifer heads up - ?
Thanks - J Greb 03:33, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
Per User_talk:Hiding/Archive 2007#Oh, also - I responded there : ) - jc37 07:47, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
Template:Agf1 has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. Qst 15:57, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
Hi Hiding, I was back on wikipedia for a stroll, and saw that my translation of fr:Naissance d'un album de Tintin has disappeared. Do you know why ? Lvr ( talk) 23:16, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
Since you asked . . .
I had to use Google to find the answer to your question. I wasn't sure which discussion that came up in, but I distinctly remembered using the phrase "Wait a minute" when it occurred to me what he'd said, so that made it easy to find. In Rogue reverter, won't listen or respond, he made this comment:
I responded to something else entirely before those words struck me. My reply:
That was eleven months ago, and it was about one specific disruptive action. He never directly said that any of the rest of it was or was not an experiment. Doczilla ( talk) 23:29, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
Sorry to pass in here out of the blue, but I saw the topic at the pump. I looked at the afd debate, and, having read the comments at the afd, I have to say I can see no discussion, no-one is engaging and looking to build consensus, and the one objection has not been addressed. I'm also disturbed that you state at the pump you gave the opinions expressed by the admins in the debate greater weight. Admins are simply editors who become admins when using admin tools. If they aren't using the tools or discussing actions resulting from using the tools, they are just editors and their opinions are worth the same as every other editor. I'd take more care when closing afds, it's hard working out the contentious ones but that's what admins are trusted by the community to do. Hiding Talk 21:58, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the note. I'll check through the category this evening and see how the land lies. It may be the redirects are fine but personally I'd rather deal with things on a case-by-case basis (or relevant block of pages if they exist like the Planetary characters) but again I don't think there is a right or wrong answer to all this, just different ways of getting the "best" result for everyone. after all there are many paths to enlightenment. ;) ( Emperor 16:47, 12 November 2007 (UTC))
Is there canvassing in operation here too?
If you mean as far as the DRV goes?
I think so.
Whispe
ring
14:57, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
Thank you very much for that very nice reply! I wish there more people like you on Wikipedia! -- 69.22.254.111 ( talk) 23:54, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
I think you might want to rephrase the section Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Asgardian-Tenebrae/Workshop#User Tenebrae on civility parole for one year one way or another, as the title refers to Tenebrae but the statement itself only mentions Asgardian. John Carter ( talk) 16:46, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for your concern. Didn't actually notice I was starting to tread in talkspace pages, so I will stay to mainspace as my AWB is programmed. — E talk BAG 10:52, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
I'm here to apologise for my unnecessary questioning on your rename request at WP:CHU. I was out of order, so I ask for your forgiveness on this matter. I completely understand if you wish to revert this. Best wishes, — Qst 15:41, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
Your real name still appears in a couple of spots on this page and your user page. -- GentlemanGhost ( talk) 19:04, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
Given that your suggested title for the result of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Derrial Book is Characters of Firefly, shouldn't the recommend list include List of minor characters in the Firefly universe? In fact, it seems that it would make sense to move that article to provide a starting point, then merge the others. Just my 2 cents. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 16:26, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
You're not very good at playing hide 'n' seek, are you? Doczilla ( talk) 11:05, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
He he -- re the continuing argument on what Wikipedia's priorities should be and are --
- Time for someone to address a problem with
Rio Rita/
Femforce mentioned on
Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Comics: 25 minutes.
- Time for someone to address other problems in subjects of literature, history, and science that I've previously posted: Days, weeks, or (most often) never.
-- Have a good one! --
201.37.229.117 (
talk)
11:29, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
Very kind. I don't think we've met before? Durova Charge! 14:52, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
Hey, I was looking at policy pages, essays and the like while constructing an argument and happened across a message of yours that I think you'll find bitterly humorous:
Thanks for pointing me to the manual of style, I hadn't read it before. Sorry for my changes to the Comics article I did without first reading it. RedZionX ( talk) 02:15, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
Hi. I like what you did with the article, but I just wanted to let you know that 3 of teh external links do not resolve properly, and one of these, to tcj.com, appears three times in the article. If you want any more information, just let me know. Danny ( talk) 12:09, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
Also look at this and this . Danny ( talk) 12:46, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
I'm looking for a bit of help "arm-twisting" someone. (though with a smile : )
I think you're looking for a different shortcut here. Forgive me if I'm wrong, and forgive me for intruding either way. Dekimasu よ! 14:47, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
That's red? Wow. I'm pretty sure a colleague of mine has a chapter on the history of comic book letter columns in a book he was writing. It's been a while since I proofread that for him, so my recollection may have magnified how much information he had on them. I'll check, though. Doczilla ( talk) 10:10, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
Despite my personal dislike of userboxes, election banners, and other such decoration, I am flattered. :) Phil Sandifer 14:12, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
I just noticed your "vote". You may want to revert yourself. it doesn't start until the 3rd.) - jc37 15:40, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
Considering some discussions we had recently, I think you may find the recent changes to WP:PLOT interesting : ) - jc37 15:16, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
Hey. You need to file a new request at the request page you mentioned and this will override your old cloak. I don't take into account existing cloaks when processing requests. Thanks. — Sean Whitton / 09:02, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
Sorry, I've been watching that article due to the COI issues, and the constant addition of non-reliable sources (like geocities, etc.,) by the subject, and I did not realize the refs were the cite comic ref, I should have taken more time to look at the history to see that it was not her editing it, but looking at it, it appeared she simply was using the Wikipedia page as a reference. My sincere apologies, I was about to revert myself when you caught it. Thanks. Ariel ♥ Gold 20:33, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
This arbitration case has closed and the final decision is available at the link above. User:Asgardian is subject to an editing restriction for one year. He is limited to one revert per page per week (excepting obvious vandalism), and is required to discuss any content reversions on the page's talk page. This notice is given by a Clerk on behalf of the Arbitration Committee. Newyorkbrad 01:55, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
The name change caught me off guard. While I've enjoyed working with you and respect your opinion highly, you seem a bit aggressive on the Loveless talk page, in particular your reply to my statement about Shields denying the cost. I don't take it personally myself, but others might, so just try to keep a cool head. WesleyDodds ( talk) 12:49, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
I don't mean to have you wrack your head too much on this subject. Quite the contrary; I'm basically saying "Be cool like Fonzie", 'cause really, we can work it out. Sit back, relax, and wait for polite discussion from others besides myself. WesleyDodds ( talk) 12:58, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
A comment by Bilinda about Googe's lack of work on the album is already present and sourced. The basslines bit would be worthwhile if you can source it and find a tidy place for it in the "Recording" section. I forgot about the tinnitus; worth mentioning if it can be directly tied to the album. WesleyDodds ( talk) 10:57, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
Who, in his guise as mild-mannered reporter persona unknown, fights a never-ending battle for truth, justice, and the Wikipedia way! -- Tenebrae ( talk) 06:02, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
Please stop changing archived pages all over, such excessive use of AWB to make all these changes claiming RTV is becoming disruptive to recent changes. You are not vanishing, just making a lot of noise. — xaosflux Talk 01:27, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
Here's a
stamp from the Faroe Islands for you! Stamps from the Faroe Islands somehow promote
WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by giving something friendly to someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Make your own message to spread WikiLove to others! Happy editing!
Vatomanocu (
talk)
14:04, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
You closed the debate here: Talk:Firefly_(TV_series) as no consensus, but I remind you that consensus is defined globally not locally per WP:CONSENSUS. It is therefore incumbent upon editors to find ways to remedy articles that currently do not conform to our consensus-driven policies and guidelines, which many of those under discussion clearly do not. Closing the debate as "no consensus" is improper, therefore, since there is clear consensus about articles on fictional subjects, which the Firefly series fail. I would ask that you undo your close, therefore. Eusebeus 11:05, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
Please read the debut post by Eusebeus in the debate's reopening. Unless I am grossly misunderstanding, he did indeed intend to reopen to discuss a merge. Maratanos ( talk) 00:08, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
Sorry for inadvertently spoiling it for you., - Arcayne (cast a spell) 00:46, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
It's to my regret that I'm far too much in #¤@$ pieces to participate in any intense online debate, but I thank you for doing so. Please persevere; it's the best chance there is right now of bringing about some kind of satisfactory, sustainable situation. As things are, co-operation on fiction coverage stands largely abandoned and WP:N is used as a sledgehammer in its stead. -- Kizor ( talk) 00:41, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
Is there some reason why you are retargeting every link to your old userpage? A redirect is created automatically when you are renamed. Sean William @ 11:57, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
After reading over Category:Eguor admins (re-reading, due to a WP:UCFD discussion), I noticed a link to User talk:Cwiki. Thought it might interest you. - jc37 12:18, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
The cwiki thing I don't think I ever understood either. Someone did an investigation and linked a load of accounts as being socks. Someone else blocked them all. One of them asked for an unblock, saying that they weren't one at all. There was a less than clear thread at WP:AN at a time when I thought it was helpful to read the page and try and solve issues. I looked at the unblock and really I should have walked away, but I thought, when you balance it all, it doesn't matter. Blocked user is using a pseudonym, doesn't want to edit but doesn't want name besmirched. Pseudonym means name not besmirched, blocked means can't edit, people indicate good reason for editor being a sock exists, really no-one has lost. Still, I got it wrong and removed my review and let someone else have a go. They also got it wrong. Then someone who had done the investigation held their hands up and sorted it all out as the hero rushing in where fools had previously trod. Although I'm biased & bitter at being put in a tight spot and that last bit is personal liberty with the truth. Yes, more recent events have shone a torch backwards. Hiding T 12:53, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
At some point I do mean to update the comics collaboration, but yeah, I don't think it needs to be done on a subpage hived off of where-ever. We should probably just queue a list of articles, tame a bot creator and then have a bot update from the top of the list every week. Anyone can add a comics related article to the list. Then just get the bot to add the old one to a list of former collaborations. That's about all the archiving needed. Something and nothing. I mean at some point to fold the peer review back to the comics project, probably through adding requests to the to do template thing task whatever it is big yellow looking thing that could be beige or orange at the top of WT:COMIC. Waffled long enough. Have discovered AWB and am building pages that need cleanup at User:Hiding/Cleanup, thought of using that for something. Do mean to work up what is it we're supposed to work up, EPISODE or CHARACTER or something of the like. Am also trying to retarget WP:FICT, I think they moved my rewrite to a sub-page though. Hiding T 12:04, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
This is clearly a poor use of the tool – [36]. Your previous identity is clearly available to any user who wishes to check your contributions and to administrators who view the deleted edits on your last user page. It clearly defeats the purpose of m:Vanishing and is a waste of Wikimedia's resources. If, upon your return, you wish to continue making such changes, it is recommended that you seek wider input (consensus etc.) on WP:AN / WP:ANI before continuing. Best wishes, — Nearly Headless Nick {C} 14:52, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
Note the use of the word 'disruption' there. EdJohnston ( talk) 17:17, 10 December 2007 (UTC)Work on the project - Your work, including 'signatures' (text indicating your authorship of comments) on all but your own user and talk pages, will usually not be changed or removed. To change these would be a major source of disruption.
But this will make all those contextual jokes (the no relation bit) look really stupid! Regardless, I fully support your endeavor. Although my sig is my actual name, my legal name is somewhat obscured (if we ever connect for a beer on that godforsaken island you call home I'll let you know how - but then I'll have to kill block you). --
Rick Block (
talk)
05:09, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
Remove it if you feel you must, but it's your fault if the storm returns. Duggy 1138 ( talk) 11:59, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
If you wish to actually build a guideline based on consensus, then stop forcing your version without significant input from other editors. It's painfully hypocritical. -- Ned Scott 23:03, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
I just want to emphasize that I don't disagree with most of what you're saying and proposing. I was very rude to you in my comments, and I'm sorry about that. I just have this thing about changing guidelines and policy pages dramatically. I'll try harder to be.. more open. -- Ned Scott 00:15, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
I replied to the debate about Batman comics sales around 1985 because I saw it in your contribution history. But as I'm still trying to not be too involved with the article right now, if there are further questions about sources, please contact me directly and I'll try to address the concerns that exist. I spent months adding the vast majority of sources to the article, and I have easy access to all of them. WesleyDodds ( talk) 00:35, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
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I wish all Wikipedians would use “please” and “thank you” like you do. Taric25 ( talk) 19:20, December 16, 2007 (UTC) |
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Hi, Actually that Sexual Interpretations section had been in Robin before, but when I saw that it had been removed I thought that someone who disagreed (or disapproved) had taken it out. I didn't suspect that it was also part of the Batman article since I believed that this kind of analysis was more appropriate to Robin's relationship with Batman rather than just Batman himself. Sorry that I did not include it in the edit summary — I'll try to use it more often in future. Cheers,-- Marktreut ( talk) 23:04, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
I just wish to ask if you read the closure. If so, then there's nothing further to discuss. - jc37 23:10, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
Of course I read the close. I just couldn't see it sticking, on two grounds that don't really matter now. You've got to carry your audience with you. Strike out too far in front and people get lost or start discussing amongst themselves and go in a different direction. Worst case scenario, they turn ugly and start chasing. You didn't seem to have an exit strategy planned. The drv close was a bit off, though, I agree there. ;| Still, don't give up the fight. Hiding T 23:43, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
Incidentally, I'm currently working on setting up the notice board for 2008. So as I just asked Xoloz, please give me a bit to finish with it, then I suppose I'd be happy to discuss or whatever. - jc37 23:47, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
I've got some images and articles that I've tagged for IFD (Amalgams from trading cards) and clean-up (no PRODs this time but, yes Amalgam articles) which User:Doctor Doomsday is removing without addressing the problems.
Is there a notice for this or do we jut let the tag removal go?
- J Greb ( talk) 00:09, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
I just read Category:Janitorial admins and wanted to mention how much I like that. Doczilla ( talk) 08:59, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
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Hello St Hiding, I see that you're on a Wikibreak, but this isn't an urgent question, so I'll ask it anyway. How do you deal with editors who edit the English-language Wikipedia but apparently do not speak English natively? Obviously, I would abide by
WP:BITE, but I'm wondering how I would even bring it up without potentially being insulting. Certainly, it is possible to make valuable additions to the English Wikipedia even if you don't speak the language particularly well. But, I'm wondering if it might be more profitable for
68.151.70.78 (
talk ·
contribs) to edit Wikipedia in his or her native language. I know I'm making an assumption, but to my mind, the edit summaries seem to indicate someone who speaks a fundamentally different idiom as opposed to a native speaker who merely has poor grammar. Although on the one hand, it would probably be a great way to further one's understanding of English to have one's contributions finessed by other editors, on the other, it would probably be less frustrating to edit articles in one's native tongue. And, given the paucity of articles in some languages, it could also fill a need. But, I am at a loss as to how to suggest this without being offensive. For the time being, I have started
a dialog with the editor regarding one edit that I find particularly confusing. Thanks,
GentlemanGhost (
talk)
00:20, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
Note: it might be good to respond here instead of on my talk page as that is where I am currently corresponding with this editor. :) -- GentlemanGhost ( talk) 00:44, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
You made a comment about "setting up" UCFD that made me go back and do some research. This is a list of your first edits to that page. (Every edit in the first 500 to that page, technically.) I made some "quick notes" after each for my own reference. Feel free to ask for explanations/clarifications. - jc37 16:59, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
[37] user page vs. cats
[38] and [39] and [40] noting dg and you commenting. (I wonder if that was the last time all three of us directly agreed on something? : )
[41] edu
[42] valid venue
[43] directly related
[44] WikiProject
[45] social : )
[46] directly related
[47] clarify
[48] fascist
[49] cat structure comments
[50] about nominations and UCFD location
[51] "causes"
[52] structure again
[53] broken record
[54] germane
[55] divisive
[56] refute "by interest" argument
[57] cocaine
I'm not sure what the point of all those diffs is. Hiding T 21:08, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
(dedent) First, those three edits were an "oops" by me. I ran the edit counter, and saw that (according to it) "Hiding" had made no edits to the UCFD page. (And since there were 999 users who had, if you edited even once, that should make you Mr. 1000 : ) - But then when I looked closer, it showed that someone with the initials S b had made some edits, so I struck my comment. And then I noticed that Hiding "did" have edits to that page, when I looked at Wikipedia. So that counter must be working from some copy. And then, since my talk page had become, well, well-travelled, I decided that it would be better if I removed the comment out of courtesy. Sorry that it was confusing.
As for the links above, "some" of them seemed relevant to me based on our discussions of late, but I decided to list them all, for completeness;
I found several of them interesting based on some of your more recent comments. Now, of course, we all can change opinions, but I thought that this would be a great way to "bridge the gap" as it were, to kind of see what we each thought. I'm sorry that it came across as "cryptic" to you.
Anyway, I'd still like to talk if you're interested. In any case, I do hope you have a great day, Merry Christmas, and so on : ) - jc37 09:21, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
You mentioned that you posted those diffs to bridge a gap. The trouble is we're comparing apples and oranges. Those diffs are comments in deletion debates from a year ago. The situation or situations we've been discussing lately are deletion closes. I didn't comment in the deletion debates because frankly, I could care less. But I do care if you're getting stick, and want to try, in my own flawed way, to point out why you might be getting stick. But the more I think about it, the more I think you know why you're getting stick. I'll just shuffle off. I've made whatever points it is I wanted to make and the whole thing is getting silly now. That's my ultimate point. Is any of this really helping? If others are that impassioned about something, let it be. That's the way consensus moves. If over a hundred admins list themselves in a category, let it be, that's the way consensus moves. Consensus is demonstrated in more ways than one. There are many ways to see which way the wind is blowing, and depending upon the activity, you may want to use more than one. I can tell you this much; this isn't the Wikipedia I started contributing to or that I believe in. We were supposed to be building an encyclopedia. Hiding T 16:22, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
Jc, I understand why you closed that close, I understand that you have that point of view, and looking at my contribs you highlighted I can understand that a year ago I would probably have agreed with you. Now, I honestly don't care. Is this user category a problem? I don't care. Was the close correct, well, I've outlined my thoughts at the DRV. I know where you are trying to push this, but I have a fair idea of what will happen if we go down that route. The key for me is that impartially there wasn't much to choose between the two sides in that cfd. Above all else I will respect the right of people to argue their case and for consensus to form or not form. I just don't see any consensus in that debate. Any other discussion is secondary for me. There's a few cases at arbitration now where people don't seem to be respecting other people's opinions. I'm something of an eventualist, I take the view that we'll get their eventually. If we're talking about how the category was being used, it was nominated the same day it was deleted. No-one ever got a chance to see where it was going, if there was something worth saying in here. Blimey, even the Jimbo's beard categories lasted longer than this and they were trivial. As to categoriesd being for navigation, yes. In the article space. I'm not sure what they're for in the user space. I know I don't want to see a million categories on a user page, but I also know I don't want to see their complete absence. So I allow leeway. To be honest I stopped being vocal at CFD and UCFD when it started to standardise and the flexibility went out of the system. I believe in flexibility. Like our guidance says, we have to turn the other cheek, we have to keep our own biases in check and we allow established users more leeway. I hope that explains where I'm coming from. I understand what you did, I just don't think it's a fight worth fighting. Also, I think a couple of times you've said I've accused you of closing from a POV. Yes, I am. I don't think you should take offence at that though. All I am trying to say is that in my opinion, those were no-consensus closes. That's my opinion, my POV. You disagree. That's your opinion, or POV. I do not intend to mean anything other than that, and I don't wish you to believe I am besmirching your reputation. We are allowed to close at our discretion. We just have to do a lot of talking sometimes to get it to stick. Good luck in making it stick. I know why you want ti to stick. I'm just not so sure I agree it should have to be stuck. Hiding T 15:03, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
As per the afd the article has been userfied to User:Hiding/Sean Simmans, I also removed the afd tag and all catagories. Gnan garra 07:32, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
Hello Hiding. A quick question: Why is it that some members of Category:Top-importance Comics articles are sorted by {{PAGENAME}} and some aren't? I can't figure it out. -- GentlemanGhost ( talk) 21:04, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
Please see this, where I've asked AM for more information. I'm growing increasingly concerned about a pattern I am seeing here, as I alluded to in my comment on UCFD:Wikipedians_against_notability ... I'd welcome your input as well in the appropriate place (if AM doesn't substantially improve the close rationale, to the point that I change my mind about whether it was a good close or not, I'll no doubt be taking UCFD:Wikipedians_against_censorship to DRV). I think, as a note, that you might want to get involved in some of these closes yourself... ++ Lar: t/ c 04:40, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
The drv is shut, so I'll pick this up here. If you read WP:NOT, you'll note that it divides itself into two. Content and community. There are two different sections, always have been always will. You also mentioned something about double standards which I don't understand, since WP:CONSENSUS indicates double standards are allowed to exist. I'm distressed you talk about a pet category, because its almost like you're trying to apply pet standards. I'm not sure there is a communication issue here more than you're simply ignoring what doesn't fit into your framework, position or whatever it is you think you're building. Personally, if enough people mention that something might not be a good idea I tend to try and listen. Looks like there's quite a cabal growing at UCFD though. All the best, Hiding T 11:26, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
Where do you keep your archives of this page? I just want to look for some previous discussion. Hiding T 13:30, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
I'm sorry if I appear jaded to you. From my perspective it appears to be experience, but I'm willing to concede that I could be wrong. Hiding T 13:46, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
In reading the above, it seems to me that somewhere along the way your feelings were hurt in all of this. If so, I sincerely apologise.
I know that I was surprised (I think I previously used the word "speechless") at first by your comments, but we've since spoken about them, and I had thought we had resolved them? (For the most part, it's just a difference of opinion, I think - and last I checked, nothing wrong with that?)
So now I'm wondering what's going on now? - jc37 14:09, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
Well, wow. I guess that's the comment that ends the discussion. You are, of course, entitled to your opinion. Shrugs. Hope you have a better day. - jc37 01:30, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
I figure I at least have the right to defend myself, and I hope I've earnt enough that you'll listen as well.
My comments at Lar's talk page. I figure it's the word cabal that is annoying you, since I've made the same complaint a couple of times the last week without chucking that word in. Cabals operate everywhere, every little page has a little cabal. That's why we have no cabals as a policy on Wikipedia, it's so that decisions are always open to re-evaluation. It's not because we don't have cabals. It's because we don't let it bother us, we let the system handle it eventually. I don't have the time to keep people at UCFD honest, and you can see Black Falcon's talk page and After Midnight's comments to me at the DRV for how I arrive at that conclusion, but I have trust that the wiki process will eventually solve the problem. Either your ends will justify your means, or they won't. But like you say, I'm entitled to my opinion. I got the impression a lot earlier that you weren't really listening to it, but that's not really that important and I just toss it out there. On some level we're talking past each other. I don't have the luck of having this discussion in a pub where the nuances are easier to make understood. What else. Use of the word hypocrite. You didn't use it, no, but I thought that's what you meant when you were referring to double standards. What I meant, and what I hoped to show through quoting all that policy at you, was that sometimes Wikipedia makes decision a on x, and yet conflicting decision b on y. Therefore double standards exist, are part of the process and are, well not encouraged but recognised and considered just one of those things. I thought the word hypocritical was more appropriate, but I guess the way I've been brought up to use it isn't perhaps the way it's defined, or perhaps that I recognise it in myself and so I'm not afraid of it. Being a hypocrite certainly doesn't preclude being open to change, at least not as far as I can see. I have no idea what you were pointing me to Fred's wiki-info for, perhaps you could care to clarify. As far as I know, the wiki-info sympathetic POV is again an article space construct, contrasting to the NPOV of Wikipedia's article space, so I'm at odds over how it applies to our discussion of user categories, which by definition exist in user space. Unless part of the whole communication breakdown is that you think NPOV applies everywhere, even in discussions. If you're pointing me to AGF because I said I wouldn't expect a creator to be anything other than biased, thanks, but I'll pass. I guess I have a very different understanding of that policy as well. My interpretation is that we always assume that whatever people do, they do because they want to make Wikipedia better. We don't always assume that people perform every single action with the purest of motives, but that their motives are guiding them to make Wikipedia better. It doesn't matter to me that a creator of a category or whatever has a bias, and I don't violate WP:AGF by saying, oh, you created this, so you'll have that opinion. I violate AGF when I say, oh you did that just to wind people up or ... Anyway, all the best. I've really pissed you off here at some point, and it wasn't really my intent. I think Iron Gargoyle made a lot of the points I was attempting a lot better than I could. Maybe I'm fucking it all up because I actually respect your opinion. Who can say. Hiding T 10:00, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
Yes, I'm still talking to you. I just felt in seeing your comments that I had run against a brick wall of misconception. There is more than a bit in your comments above that I disagree with, including how you felt I intended some of the links, but I think I'll chalk that up to emotions running a bit high.
For example, TINC has always been something I thought you and I agreed on. (Though I am dismayed at it's merger from its own page, I may be BOLD and undo that in the near future.)
And, I'd like to think that I'm not stupid or blind. But I still prefer to WP:AGF, and give someone the benefit of the doubt, until evidence is shown otherwise. That last clause is a key part for me.
But anyway, it seems to me from the above, the best way to answer would be to let you know what my opinions of UCFD are (something which, for the most part, I typically don't do). It will take some typing, and I need to go shortly, so I'm going to postpone for later, but it'll be forthcoming. -
jc37
21:50, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
While it's not unprecedented, I just wanted to let you know that you closed a relisted debate 2 days after its relisting (rather than the typical 5). - jc37 14:31, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
Forgot about the whole close of the relisted debate. For future reference, we are still allowed to close debates early, aren't we? Hiding T 10:08, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
I find myself wanting to open some DRVs but {{ newdelrev}} does not seem to be the right template since it points to AfD. Do you know the template to use? That template is not in the usual template nav categories, so I cannot figure out what other ones might apply. Thanks! You can reply here, I'll watch. ++ Lar: t/ c 23:12, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
I believe that is your usual edit summary in these cases. : )
To whit: [61]
-- GentlemanGhost ( talk) 09:17, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
Hey, could you move a page for me? I'd do it myself, but I created a redirect page where the article ought to go before it occurred to me they should be the other way around. I created on article about the story The Reign of the Superman and did a lot of work on it before I came across a source that called it The Reign of the Super-Man. Although those spelling it Superman outnumber those that spell it Super-Man, I came to realize that Super-Man was actually how Siegel spelled it, so I need to move the article at The Reign of the Superman to The Reign of the Super-Man, and turn the former into the redirect page. (Yeah, yeah, I wouldn't have to ask anybody to do this if I'd just accepted an admin nomination back in October.) I believe this can be taken care of without having to go through AfR at this point in the article's history, can't it? Thanks. Doczilla ( talk) 09:48, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
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