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Archive of October-December 2008
Hi Gatoclass, I just noticed the tag right now as I was saving my last edit before your note. I'm afraid I was looking at the yellow template above it more than anything else. My apologies, Jamie ☆ S93 02:52, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
That's great, now I can focus on contents development. -- BorgQueen ( talk) 08:39, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
You made a comment the first time someone attempted to delete Donna Eden. Someone is trying again to delete it. If you want to comment again, see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Donna Eden 2. -- Mbilitatu ( talk) 16:46, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
I notice that you're loading the next DYK round scheduled to be flipped in an hour. I could flip it if you weren't planning on being online. I don't think it's bad if we flip it a bit (up to half hour) early because we are getting way behind. Royal broil 03:32, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
Sure, sorry about the confusion; you added the inuse tag almost at the same time, it seems. -- BorgQueen ( talk) 11:15, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
Please don't change dates to those which don't appear in the references. Jaakobou Chalk Talk 09:19, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
You are welcome to finish it. -- BorgQueen ( talk) 13:23, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
Thank you for catching that! Too bad there is not a better way to classify the difference on WP.-- Funandtrvl ( talk) 17:33, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
I stared at it for a while, and yes, I think it does, at least on my LCD screen. The painting by Blake does not have clear edges (sort of blurred), and the border provides a frame for it. -- BorgQueen ( talk) 03:48, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
I have to go out now, so someone else will have to take care of it. -- BorgQueen ( talk) 07:46, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
As the Borg Queen said in the show, "our thoughts are one." You can finish the update, if you want. -- BorgQueen ( talk) 15:53, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
Any chance of using Image:GalacticGhoul.gif instead of Image:DR6nebula.jpg on the Main Page at Template:Did you know/Next update? -- Suntag ☼ 16:52, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for the notice but I had hardly anything to do with the article except as the nominator. I moved your notice to User talk:SatuSuro which I presume is what you intended. Moondyne 09:24, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
Thanks. I'll put in the next few hooks. I see that the 'make hook' template was left out this time. I have added it to the next update page anyway. I don't know if it was left out for a reason, but... I doubt there'll be any probelems ;) Elucidate ( parlez à moi) Ici pour humor 13:55, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
Thank you very much for the DYK :-). I find that you are one of the regular DYK admins. So, I wish to bring a small incident to your notice. I submitted one of my creations T. M. Nair for a DYK. I've created it and expanded it to 10KB within 5 days and submitted it for a DYK. Well, well, the hook I added contained a fact about T. M. Nair's sister, Taravath Ammalu Ammal. I added it because I felt it would indeed come as a surprise to people that she had written a book on Hindu saints as her brother, Dr. Nair was the founder of the Justice Party which later evolved into the Dravidar Kazhagam whose members are staunchly atheist. I agree that the article is not about Taravath Ammalu Ammal. But one particular user has rejected my nomination asking me to create an article on Taravath Ammalu Ammal and nominateit, instead. This is particularly perplexing as the user has not given any specific reason whatsoever or any alternate suggestions about the hook nor has he engaged in any sort of discussion on the issue. I don't have enough material on Taravath Ammalu Ammal to write an article which would measure >5KB. As far as the main criteria are concerned, the article does satisfy the minimum size requirements and is adequately referenced.
I provide the URL of the DYK nom here:- Template talk:Did you know#Articles created#expanded on October_26 fopr your reference. The same user has also stalled another DYK of mine for the same reason. I've replied to him/her and am awaiting his/her's. Thanks- Ravichandar My coffee shop 04:53, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
Dear Gatoclass, can you look at Template_talk:Did_you_know#Articles_created.2Fexpanded_on_October_25. Have a nice day! :-) AdjustShift ( talk) 09:10, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
I just checked again, and the guideline states: "single-digit whole numbers from zero to nine are spelled out in words; numbers greater than nine are commonly rendered in numerals, or may be rendered in words if they are expressed in one or two words (16 or sixteen, 84 or eighty-four, 200 or two hundred, but 3.75, 544, 21 million)." So, in the next update, except "30 million" in the third hook, the numbers greater than nine can be either numerals or words. You are welcome to revert my change except the smokers hook. (Actually as I recall the rule used to be that the numbers greater than nine should be in numerals, but the guideline obviously has been changed since.) -- BorgQueen ( talk) 12:22, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
Because of the presence of the image. Some hooks that occupy only two lines become three-liners when the lead image "pushes" them, so to speak. But some hooks don't get affected by the image presence because they are short enough. -- BorgQueen ( talk) 05:50, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
Are you serious? LOL -- BorgQueen ( talk) 13:16, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
I should have gotten nom credit for 10th Mississippi Infantry.-- Gen. Bedford his Forest 14:52, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
I thought you were not around. It is all yours now. -- BorgQueen ( talk) 09:54, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
I've noticed what seems to be like a minor error in this edit -
[1]. I was in the middle of an edit on the immigration issue, so I'll undo your edit since the Uzbeki link (and possibly my own change) removal seems like an honest error.
Cheers,
Jaakobou
Chalk Talk 10:58, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
Sorry about putting the "right" parameter back in the DYK image after you took it out. We got into an edit conflict and I accidentally pasted my version (which still had "right" in it) over yours. My bad! — Politizer talk/ contribs 03:36, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
Could you fill the next update? I have to go out soon. -- BorgQueen ( talk) 05:38, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
Hey there, nice to see you updating DYK again. Will you be doing the credits, or shall I? – RyanCross ( talk) 07:08, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
Hi, I just wanted to let you know, RyanCross started a thread at WT:DYK#Template:DYKquestions to ask for comments on a template I made, {{ DYKquestions}}, for notifying nominators when their DYK hooks need some issues clarified or anything like that. If you have a moment to check it out and see if there is anything lacking, I would appreciate your comments! Thanks, — Politizer talk/ contribs 18:21, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
Oops, I started doing DYK credits at the same time you did for the users; sorry about that. I went ahead and did all the talk pages, sorry in advance if we got into any edit conflicts. I'll also purge the Next Update page (unless you've done it already by the time I get there). — Politizer talk/ contribs 03:20, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
Sure, be my guest. -- BorgQueen ( talk) 10:45, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
I'll see what I can do, I'm not surprised you are tired. Oh and are you ok with me chopping out the dead and dying orphan hooks in the "expired" list? When I go to look for hooks in the pile I seem to have to search through a lot of "dead and dying" before you find one that is issue free. cheers Victuallers ( talk) 14:20, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
Thanks so much for the DYK ( In Praise of Shadows), cheers Julia Rossi ( talk) 21:29, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
Credit for Albert Boime was given to User:Bruce1ee for a revised hook to the article, which is fine, but I think I may have been missed on credit for this article. Can you double check? Alansohn ( talk) 03:38, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
Ok, I think I can take care of it. Take a good rest. -- BorgQueen ( talk) 07:20, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
Hmm, I suppose you didn't notice the inuse template? -- BorgQueen ( talk) 11:40, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
for the welcome back and for your work in creating and mantaining DYKs! Tiamut talk 11:44, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
We're close to eliminating the DYK suggestion backlog. -- Suntag ☼ 19:34, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
Thank you for your gracious apology. Jayjg (talk) 03:17, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for letting me know about Nausicaa's DYK - I don't try for DYK often, so I'm glad I can see it on the front page. :) -- Malkinann ( talk) 03:36, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
Thank you very much for the sandwich. Cirt ( talk) 07:52, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
Hi Gatoclass, I'm not sure how this has come about, but the hook for Wonderland Greyhound Park you selected for the next update is already in queue 4. -- Bruce1ee talk 15:05, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
Hey, I feel a bit stupid for having been the one to tick this hook, but the 1970 Tonghai earthquake hook (at the top of Queue 3) is a bit inaccurate now that I look at it...it says the earthquake monitoring network was established "following" the 1970 earthquake, although it was actually established 25 years later and the source given in the article doesn't even present any causal relationship between the two (the so source basically says, "A network was installed in Yunnan. BTW Yunnan has some bad earthquakes. There was one in 1970 and one in 1976.") The hook could be changed to "installed 25 years after the 1970 Tonghai earthquake," (although that still seems to imply some causal relationship that isn't supported in the sources given), or kicked back to T:TDYK for discussion.
Sorry about green-lighting that hook erroneously, — Politizer talk/ contribs 15:43, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
DYK Next Update will be using Queue 1. There's nothing over there right now, but there is a batch at Queue 2. Would you mind if I shift it over to Queue 1 while I compile the subsequent ones? - Best regards, Mailer Diablo 04:06, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for the notification, but articles names got a little mixed up, as I've written Udo Schütz, not Tata Corus acquisition. -- Matthead Discuß 11:25, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
Hi - why have you added back the note "NOTE: Since on average about 50% of hooks on the suggestions page are U.S. related, it is usually appropriate to have roughly half the hooks in any given update on U.S. topics. Thanks." with the note "we need this note, please stop removing it"? I have searched for discussion as to why this was added and cannot find any. What purpose does it serve? Yes, we should take the topics roughly in proportion to how often they are suggested, but why highlight this case? Warofdreams talk 12:14, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
Wow, thanks for the info, Gatoclass. DYK is not something I've ever taken any interest in, but I will from now on. Cheers. -- JackofOz ( talk) 12:47, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
Hi - please see my query at User_talk:Cirt#DYK, and the reply at User_talk:Testing_times#DYK where User:Cirt suggested I ask you whether I should give myself a talk page notification for my nomination of User:Giano II's Arabian Hall of the Winter Palace. Or perhaps I was missed off for some reason? -- Testing times ( talk) 12:58, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
You've deleted the image page of Image:VanGogh-starry night ballance1.jpg on November 9. Would you please revert the deletion, because this image is a featured picture? See also Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/The Starry Night. – Ilse @ 13:10, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
Hello Gatoclass. As you may have noticed, I have been a bit inactive with next updates for DYKs, mostly because I'm very confused on the new system now that we have the DYK adminbot to help out. Could you give me an overview on what I'm supposed to do now that our process has changed? I'd really like to get back to setting up DYK updates. Thanks, – RyanCross ( talk) 05:27, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
I am pretty sure it is the queue 4, if you are still wondering. -- BorgQueen ( talk) 13:27, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
Hi - thanks for your response on this. I now understand why the text is there, although I do still feel a little uneasy about it. Would you object to rephrasing it to something along the lines of "The subjects of the hooks in any given update should roughly match the mixture of those on the suggestions page - for example, it is usually appropriate to have roughly half the hooks in any given update on U.S. topics."? Warofdreams talk 14:35, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
I just found this out and added it to Cyril Pullin which I havew spent time today significantly expanding from a stub Thruxton ( talk) 11:55, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
Is the bot not working? I notice that it doesn't appear to have done the credits and cleared the page for the latest update. Is it back to manual editing again? Gatoclass ( talk) 13:58, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
I wanted to point this out. Ottava Rima ( talk) 00:05, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
I thought you might be interested in reading an essay I just wrote on the use of info boxes. I'd appriciate hearing your opinion. The essay is at Wikipedia:Disinfoboxes. Nrswanson ( talk) 19:53, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
Re this edit: it's not every day I get to see someone taking a harder line on plagiarism than I do! It's nice to know there are other plagiarism nazis around, and I agree with and support your decision. Cheers, — Politizer talk/ contribs 03:36, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
Hi, Gatoclass, so nice to see you are back. May I remind you that if the same editor has written/nominated multiple articles you need to add different amounts of spaces after the username for the additional articles, as it is stated in User:Ameliorate!'s instruction? I don't mind fixing the format for every queue but I may overlook sometimes. Thanks for your hard work, again. -- BorgQueen ( talk) 09:13, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
I updated some sections on John Milton's religion. However, I need to know which section specifically that you think needs expanding. I know that this upcoming week, people will be filling in the other details later (especially during the Milton FA push). Right now, I have a time management problem because the individual I was hoping to perform a lot of the clean up and minor expansion work is sick. Bad timing. I have to hold off on the larger set until tomorrow. Rush rush rush. You know how it is. I'll look back here so if you reply I'll catch it. Ottava Rima ( talk) 07:23, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
Simply put, the article is clearly on an independently notable topic, the article is sourced, and the article has more than 1.5k worth of text. If anything, the argument should be to move text over. The information is all new. Thus, it meets every single DYK guideline. Admin not approving such pages is something that admin outside of DYK is highly concerned about. Ottava Rima ( talk) 15:06, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
Gatoclass,
I read your message to me regarding the primal therapy article.
I'm glad to hear you're working on a rewrite for that article. I think it could use it. But there's no great rush about it. Take your time. Twerges ( talk) 10:22, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
No problem, Gatoclass. I will be in class for a couple hours but other than that I'm keeping my eyes open. I have been following you guys' conversation (my apologies for turning your talk page into a battleground) to try to make sure i don't miss it when an AN gets opened—I admit I've been stalking your and Ottava's contribs on and off. Anyway, have a good evening, and hopefully this will be over soon. — Politizer talk/ contribs 17:02, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
I'd like to again thank you for taking the time to check and review the hook. It's understandable that you don't have much time to take a good look at it since there's just so many hooks and perhaps not enough people to help reviewing them, so I don't blame you ;). Maybe I should find some time to help reviewing hooks too, just so to relief you guys. Again, thank you. -- クラ ウド 668 17:10, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
We go back quite a bit so I think I owe you an apology for being short with you. Although I can justify my actions in many ways, there is no excuse for me to put you through any strain. I'm sorry. Ottava Rima ( talk) 23:12, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
Yes, I did set it to 8 hours. I wonder what made you feel confused, because it has been only about 7 hours since the last update. Isn't it a bit too early to worry..? -- BorgQueen ( talk) 14:08, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
No, that's totally fine, I just noticed your edit and I don't mind. I actually realized after posting it that I probably shouldn't have. In any case, the rest of the DYK reviewers are all smart people and will be able to see what's going on without my needing to remind them. Thanks for keeping me honest, and my apologies again for repeatedly dragging you into all this; I'll try to keep myself under control from now on. — Politizer talk/ contribs 03:56, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
Did you add Kathryn Stott for more variety? -- BorgQueen ( talk) 05:23, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
Thanks, again, Gatoclass. If I understand the new system aright, it should be live at least some of the time during the UK day, which is perfect. And by the way, extremely belated congratulations on your well-deserved promotion! Espresso Addict ( talk) 06:35, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
It doesn't say that and I am not absolutely certain, but as I recall the bot behaved sort of erratically when it was not lined up like that. Sigh.. -- BorgQueen ( talk) 15:52, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
Hi Gatoclass. I posted a reply to your request at Granada Bridge (Ormond Beach). -- Suntag ☼ 19:08, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
I stand by this comment 100%. I and others voted you as an administrator to stand by DYK rules. You have adopted practices that are NOT accepted by the community, and your comment to Rlevse, saying that you will vote against him for saying that the community must approve of things first is 100% against the whole reason why you were made an admin. Put yourself up for recall if you think you honestly deserve to be an admin. That is completely inappropriate. The community does not agree with you nor with Art's interpretations. Its time for you to realize that. You cannot threaten your way into getting people to change their minds. Ottava Rima ( talk) 05:31, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
Hi Gatoclass. I've been looking at the comments left by those who have opposed my ArbCom candidacy, and I couldn't help noticing that you said you were opposing "regretfully". I've since prepared a statement that I hope will allay people's concerns. That statement can be seen here. The "Decisiveness and block actions" and "Leniency and hardline stances" sections may addresses your concerns about whether I would be capable of applying the harshest sanctions. I hope you will be able to have a look. Thanks. Carcharoth ( talk) 05:48, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
Gatoclass, I just wanted to let you know, someone (not Ottava Rima) started a thread at ANI about your vote against Rlevse; the thread is here. There's probably not even a need for you to respond, as the thread seems pretty frivolous...but I just figured I should give you the link in case you want to respond anyway. Best, — Politizer talk/ contribs 06:46, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
You claimed that I was wasting everyone's time. Applying the standards that blockquotes, quotes, and duplicated information should not count, your numbers are way off. This means that your claims that I am doing something improper are based on extremely bad evidence. This is also self serving bad evidence. I suggest you apologize and strike immediately. Ottava Rima ( talk) 17:24, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
I'm dying here trying to keep quiet. Must... get it... off my chest... Mustn't... nominate... for 5x-expansion in last 5 days... the page... Wikipedia talk:Did you know. Haus Talk 17:44, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
Thank you for your help with the references, I'm glad to see it's verified! How do I see when it'll be on the front page?-- DarkAvenger ( talk) 14:34, 18 December 2008 (UTC) Awesome, thanks! -- DarkAvenger ( talk) 14:58, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
Hi, I'd just like to let you know what the template {{
DYKsug}}
was just updated with a new feature: now, for all DYK nominations that include only one article, it auto-generates the credit templates ({{
DYKmake}}
and {{
DYKnom}}
), which the person moving the hook to Next may simply cut and past from T:TDYK directly into next. This only happens with single-article nominations; if the nomination has more than one article, there will be a message in the template saying "Credits must be done manually by the person moving this nomination to Next" or something like that. It will probably be a few days before you start seeing the auto-generated credit templates, since the template was only just updated and only the new nominations will reflect it; the first several times you see auto-generated credit templates, you may want to double-check the nom as you are promoting it, just to make sure the credits are correct.
There have been some other minor changes—mainly, now if a DYK nominator lists himself as both "creator/expander" and "nominator," the "nominator" field ends up blank (so that what gets displayed is "Created by
User, self nom" rather than "Created by
User, nominated by
User." Also, the fields, |collaborator=
, |collaborator2=
, and |collaborator3=
have been replaced with the more intuitive |creator2=
, |creator3=
, and |creator4=
.
Please let me know if you experience any problems with the new template. — Politizer talk/ contribs 15:31, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
|comment=
, but there's no guarantee that comments entered there are actually complicated details about who edited the articles, so that's not a good idea).... which means that for multi-article noms, the DYK reviewers will just have to take the auto-generated credits with a grain of salt, and double-check to make sure they're right. 90% of the time it should be fine, if most multi-noms have the same people working on each article.Do you think the following points could be a DYK proposal ?
I think nobody knows that :-) Ceedjee ( talk) 14:35, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
Hey Ceedjee, I noticed your comment at Gatoclass's talk page, and I just wanted to say, it looks like a good fact for DYK (although it's a little long; you could trim it down to be a bit punchier), but as far as I can tell the article attached to it isn't new or expanded (DYK articles have to have either been created in the past several days, or expanded fivefold in the past several days). Were you planning on starting a new article on a related topic? — Politizer talk/ contribs 14:43, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
Apparently you were the one that had a series of articles on Egyptian temples for an 8-article hook. My previous DYK hook was 5-articles:
And the one previous was a 4-article hook:
Apparently Ottava Rima has given it an approval, so probably in the next few days it should go up if all goes well. Someday I am sure this record will be broken also - we will see how long it lasts. How long was your record of an 8-article hook?-- Doug Coldwell talk 21:48, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
BorgQueen ( talk) 00:55, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
BorgQueen ( talk) 00:55, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
BorgQueen ( talk) 00:55, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
BorgQueen ( talk) 00:56, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
BorgQueen ( talk) 00:56, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
BorgQueen ( talk) 00:56, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
Per User:YellowMonkey's concern that we have a backlog, I've shortened the cycle to 5 hours. Please let me know if you have objections. -- BorgQueen ( talk) 04:10, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
I meant to do that but got busy. :) I think maybe you should post a summary of the results, instead of just closing it. Just a thought. Best. ++ Lar: t/ c 05:28, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
Some people seem to resent this linking. What do you think? -- BorgQueen ( talk) 09:09, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
Well, that's fine with me, although it will inevitably generate some backlog we'll have to deal with later. -- BorgQueen ( talk) 13:03, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
See? Worked like magic. :-D -- BorgQueen ( talk) 13:43, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for making 2008 an interesting and enlightening year for me; at some point, our paths have crossed and I've found your comments amusing, helpful or thought-provoking—I'll let you guess which!
Do you think German Socialist Labour Party in Poland – Left is ok to be promoted? (after Xmas) It has been approved and moved by someone and currently in the queue 5, but I am being cautious since it relies on a single source. -- BorgQueen ( talk) 09:41, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
I have replied at my talk page. CIreland ( talk) 06:28, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
Hi Politizer, just wondering about the output of your DYKsuggestion template.
I notice for example that for the Zhao Zongru hook, the template is outputting the following:
| creator = Nlu | creator2 = | creator3 = | creator4 = | expander = | expander2 = | expander3 = | nominator = | comment = | image = | credits = *{{DYKmake|Zhao Zongru|Nlu}}
I can't really see the point in all this. Once DYKsuggestion has outputted the credit string, ie *{{DYKmake|Zhao Zongru|Nlu}}, why do we need all the rest? It seems redundant and it takes up a lot of space. Also, we are experiencing increasing problems with loading times for the page, so the less text the better.
One other thing, I've noticed your code outputs this whole DYKsuggestion thing in brackets {{}}. Is there a reason for that? I can't see why they are needed. Gatoclass ( talk) 11:42, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
| creator = Nlu | credits = *{{DYKmake|Zhao Zongru|Nlu}}
#if:
expressions, but I haven't had any luck yet; I asked Ameliorate! to look into it a while back but I think he was away at the time, so I might try nudging him/her again or getting in touch with Lifebaka, who has also helped out with the template.|creator=
and |expander=
(when the second should have been |creator2=
...another argument in favor of your idea of scrapping the "expander" field altogether) and didn't make credit for the expander...and another with two creators and a nominator (where the nominator was one of the creators) and it made nom credit, instead of creator credit, for the second guy. I'll have to fiddle around with those at some point.I am sorry, but I can only run the bot; I do not have the expertise to repair it. — harej // be happy 17:22, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
I thought a bot did that? Cirt ( talk) 15:25, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
I've commented here. And I am not comfortable that the credits section has hidden section headings like <!--Creators/Expanders -->. It might be worth a try to get rid of these notices to see if the bot behaves better. -- BorgQueen ( talk) 05:44, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
Happy New Year Gatoclass/Archive 6!!!! I wish for you and your family to have a wonderful 2009!!! Have fun partying and may you make many edits!!!
12:33, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
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Archive of October-December 2008
Hi Gatoclass, I just noticed the tag right now as I was saving my last edit before your note. I'm afraid I was looking at the yellow template above it more than anything else. My apologies, Jamie ☆ S93 02:52, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
That's great, now I can focus on contents development. -- BorgQueen ( talk) 08:39, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
You made a comment the first time someone attempted to delete Donna Eden. Someone is trying again to delete it. If you want to comment again, see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Donna Eden 2. -- Mbilitatu ( talk) 16:46, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
I notice that you're loading the next DYK round scheduled to be flipped in an hour. I could flip it if you weren't planning on being online. I don't think it's bad if we flip it a bit (up to half hour) early because we are getting way behind. Royal broil 03:32, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
Sure, sorry about the confusion; you added the inuse tag almost at the same time, it seems. -- BorgQueen ( talk) 11:15, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
Please don't change dates to those which don't appear in the references. Jaakobou Chalk Talk 09:19, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
You are welcome to finish it. -- BorgQueen ( talk) 13:23, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
Thank you for catching that! Too bad there is not a better way to classify the difference on WP.-- Funandtrvl ( talk) 17:33, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
I stared at it for a while, and yes, I think it does, at least on my LCD screen. The painting by Blake does not have clear edges (sort of blurred), and the border provides a frame for it. -- BorgQueen ( talk) 03:48, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
I have to go out now, so someone else will have to take care of it. -- BorgQueen ( talk) 07:46, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
As the Borg Queen said in the show, "our thoughts are one." You can finish the update, if you want. -- BorgQueen ( talk) 15:53, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
Any chance of using Image:GalacticGhoul.gif instead of Image:DR6nebula.jpg on the Main Page at Template:Did you know/Next update? -- Suntag ☼ 16:52, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for the notice but I had hardly anything to do with the article except as the nominator. I moved your notice to User talk:SatuSuro which I presume is what you intended. Moondyne 09:24, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
Thanks. I'll put in the next few hooks. I see that the 'make hook' template was left out this time. I have added it to the next update page anyway. I don't know if it was left out for a reason, but... I doubt there'll be any probelems ;) Elucidate ( parlez à moi) Ici pour humor 13:55, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
Thank you very much for the DYK :-). I find that you are one of the regular DYK admins. So, I wish to bring a small incident to your notice. I submitted one of my creations T. M. Nair for a DYK. I've created it and expanded it to 10KB within 5 days and submitted it for a DYK. Well, well, the hook I added contained a fact about T. M. Nair's sister, Taravath Ammalu Ammal. I added it because I felt it would indeed come as a surprise to people that she had written a book on Hindu saints as her brother, Dr. Nair was the founder of the Justice Party which later evolved into the Dravidar Kazhagam whose members are staunchly atheist. I agree that the article is not about Taravath Ammalu Ammal. But one particular user has rejected my nomination asking me to create an article on Taravath Ammalu Ammal and nominateit, instead. This is particularly perplexing as the user has not given any specific reason whatsoever or any alternate suggestions about the hook nor has he engaged in any sort of discussion on the issue. I don't have enough material on Taravath Ammalu Ammal to write an article which would measure >5KB. As far as the main criteria are concerned, the article does satisfy the minimum size requirements and is adequately referenced.
I provide the URL of the DYK nom here:- Template talk:Did you know#Articles created#expanded on October_26 fopr your reference. The same user has also stalled another DYK of mine for the same reason. I've replied to him/her and am awaiting his/her's. Thanks- Ravichandar My coffee shop 04:53, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
Dear Gatoclass, can you look at Template_talk:Did_you_know#Articles_created.2Fexpanded_on_October_25. Have a nice day! :-) AdjustShift ( talk) 09:10, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
I just checked again, and the guideline states: "single-digit whole numbers from zero to nine are spelled out in words; numbers greater than nine are commonly rendered in numerals, or may be rendered in words if they are expressed in one or two words (16 or sixteen, 84 or eighty-four, 200 or two hundred, but 3.75, 544, 21 million)." So, in the next update, except "30 million" in the third hook, the numbers greater than nine can be either numerals or words. You are welcome to revert my change except the smokers hook. (Actually as I recall the rule used to be that the numbers greater than nine should be in numerals, but the guideline obviously has been changed since.) -- BorgQueen ( talk) 12:22, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
Because of the presence of the image. Some hooks that occupy only two lines become three-liners when the lead image "pushes" them, so to speak. But some hooks don't get affected by the image presence because they are short enough. -- BorgQueen ( talk) 05:50, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
Are you serious? LOL -- BorgQueen ( talk) 13:16, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
I should have gotten nom credit for 10th Mississippi Infantry.-- Gen. Bedford his Forest 14:52, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
I thought you were not around. It is all yours now. -- BorgQueen ( talk) 09:54, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
I've noticed what seems to be like a minor error in this edit -
[1]. I was in the middle of an edit on the immigration issue, so I'll undo your edit since the Uzbeki link (and possibly my own change) removal seems like an honest error.
Cheers,
Jaakobou
Chalk Talk 10:58, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
Sorry about putting the "right" parameter back in the DYK image after you took it out. We got into an edit conflict and I accidentally pasted my version (which still had "right" in it) over yours. My bad! — Politizer talk/ contribs 03:36, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
Could you fill the next update? I have to go out soon. -- BorgQueen ( talk) 05:38, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
Hey there, nice to see you updating DYK again. Will you be doing the credits, or shall I? – RyanCross ( talk) 07:08, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
Hi, I just wanted to let you know, RyanCross started a thread at WT:DYK#Template:DYKquestions to ask for comments on a template I made, {{ DYKquestions}}, for notifying nominators when their DYK hooks need some issues clarified or anything like that. If you have a moment to check it out and see if there is anything lacking, I would appreciate your comments! Thanks, — Politizer talk/ contribs 18:21, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
Oops, I started doing DYK credits at the same time you did for the users; sorry about that. I went ahead and did all the talk pages, sorry in advance if we got into any edit conflicts. I'll also purge the Next Update page (unless you've done it already by the time I get there). — Politizer talk/ contribs 03:20, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
Sure, be my guest. -- BorgQueen ( talk) 10:45, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
I'll see what I can do, I'm not surprised you are tired. Oh and are you ok with me chopping out the dead and dying orphan hooks in the "expired" list? When I go to look for hooks in the pile I seem to have to search through a lot of "dead and dying" before you find one that is issue free. cheers Victuallers ( talk) 14:20, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
Thanks so much for the DYK ( In Praise of Shadows), cheers Julia Rossi ( talk) 21:29, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
Credit for Albert Boime was given to User:Bruce1ee for a revised hook to the article, which is fine, but I think I may have been missed on credit for this article. Can you double check? Alansohn ( talk) 03:38, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
Ok, I think I can take care of it. Take a good rest. -- BorgQueen ( talk) 07:20, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
Hmm, I suppose you didn't notice the inuse template? -- BorgQueen ( talk) 11:40, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
for the welcome back and for your work in creating and mantaining DYKs! Tiamut talk 11:44, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
We're close to eliminating the DYK suggestion backlog. -- Suntag ☼ 19:34, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
Thank you for your gracious apology. Jayjg (talk) 03:17, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for letting me know about Nausicaa's DYK - I don't try for DYK often, so I'm glad I can see it on the front page. :) -- Malkinann ( talk) 03:36, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
Thank you very much for the sandwich. Cirt ( talk) 07:52, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
Hi Gatoclass, I'm not sure how this has come about, but the hook for Wonderland Greyhound Park you selected for the next update is already in queue 4. -- Bruce1ee talk 15:05, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
Hey, I feel a bit stupid for having been the one to tick this hook, but the 1970 Tonghai earthquake hook (at the top of Queue 3) is a bit inaccurate now that I look at it...it says the earthquake monitoring network was established "following" the 1970 earthquake, although it was actually established 25 years later and the source given in the article doesn't even present any causal relationship between the two (the so source basically says, "A network was installed in Yunnan. BTW Yunnan has some bad earthquakes. There was one in 1970 and one in 1976.") The hook could be changed to "installed 25 years after the 1970 Tonghai earthquake," (although that still seems to imply some causal relationship that isn't supported in the sources given), or kicked back to T:TDYK for discussion.
Sorry about green-lighting that hook erroneously, — Politizer talk/ contribs 15:43, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
DYK Next Update will be using Queue 1. There's nothing over there right now, but there is a batch at Queue 2. Would you mind if I shift it over to Queue 1 while I compile the subsequent ones? - Best regards, Mailer Diablo 04:06, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for the notification, but articles names got a little mixed up, as I've written Udo Schütz, not Tata Corus acquisition. -- Matthead Discuß 11:25, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
Hi - why have you added back the note "NOTE: Since on average about 50% of hooks on the suggestions page are U.S. related, it is usually appropriate to have roughly half the hooks in any given update on U.S. topics. Thanks." with the note "we need this note, please stop removing it"? I have searched for discussion as to why this was added and cannot find any. What purpose does it serve? Yes, we should take the topics roughly in proportion to how often they are suggested, but why highlight this case? Warofdreams talk 12:14, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
Wow, thanks for the info, Gatoclass. DYK is not something I've ever taken any interest in, but I will from now on. Cheers. -- JackofOz ( talk) 12:47, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
Hi - please see my query at User_talk:Cirt#DYK, and the reply at User_talk:Testing_times#DYK where User:Cirt suggested I ask you whether I should give myself a talk page notification for my nomination of User:Giano II's Arabian Hall of the Winter Palace. Or perhaps I was missed off for some reason? -- Testing times ( talk) 12:58, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
You've deleted the image page of Image:VanGogh-starry night ballance1.jpg on November 9. Would you please revert the deletion, because this image is a featured picture? See also Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/The Starry Night. – Ilse @ 13:10, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
Hello Gatoclass. As you may have noticed, I have been a bit inactive with next updates for DYKs, mostly because I'm very confused on the new system now that we have the DYK adminbot to help out. Could you give me an overview on what I'm supposed to do now that our process has changed? I'd really like to get back to setting up DYK updates. Thanks, – RyanCross ( talk) 05:27, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
I am pretty sure it is the queue 4, if you are still wondering. -- BorgQueen ( talk) 13:27, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
Hi - thanks for your response on this. I now understand why the text is there, although I do still feel a little uneasy about it. Would you object to rephrasing it to something along the lines of "The subjects of the hooks in any given update should roughly match the mixture of those on the suggestions page - for example, it is usually appropriate to have roughly half the hooks in any given update on U.S. topics."? Warofdreams talk 14:35, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
I just found this out and added it to Cyril Pullin which I havew spent time today significantly expanding from a stub Thruxton ( talk) 11:55, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
Is the bot not working? I notice that it doesn't appear to have done the credits and cleared the page for the latest update. Is it back to manual editing again? Gatoclass ( talk) 13:58, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
I wanted to point this out. Ottava Rima ( talk) 00:05, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
I thought you might be interested in reading an essay I just wrote on the use of info boxes. I'd appriciate hearing your opinion. The essay is at Wikipedia:Disinfoboxes. Nrswanson ( talk) 19:53, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
Re this edit: it's not every day I get to see someone taking a harder line on plagiarism than I do! It's nice to know there are other plagiarism nazis around, and I agree with and support your decision. Cheers, — Politizer talk/ contribs 03:36, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
Hi, Gatoclass, so nice to see you are back. May I remind you that if the same editor has written/nominated multiple articles you need to add different amounts of spaces after the username for the additional articles, as it is stated in User:Ameliorate!'s instruction? I don't mind fixing the format for every queue but I may overlook sometimes. Thanks for your hard work, again. -- BorgQueen ( talk) 09:13, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
I updated some sections on John Milton's religion. However, I need to know which section specifically that you think needs expanding. I know that this upcoming week, people will be filling in the other details later (especially during the Milton FA push). Right now, I have a time management problem because the individual I was hoping to perform a lot of the clean up and minor expansion work is sick. Bad timing. I have to hold off on the larger set until tomorrow. Rush rush rush. You know how it is. I'll look back here so if you reply I'll catch it. Ottava Rima ( talk) 07:23, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
Simply put, the article is clearly on an independently notable topic, the article is sourced, and the article has more than 1.5k worth of text. If anything, the argument should be to move text over. The information is all new. Thus, it meets every single DYK guideline. Admin not approving such pages is something that admin outside of DYK is highly concerned about. Ottava Rima ( talk) 15:06, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
Gatoclass,
I read your message to me regarding the primal therapy article.
I'm glad to hear you're working on a rewrite for that article. I think it could use it. But there's no great rush about it. Take your time. Twerges ( talk) 10:22, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
No problem, Gatoclass. I will be in class for a couple hours but other than that I'm keeping my eyes open. I have been following you guys' conversation (my apologies for turning your talk page into a battleground) to try to make sure i don't miss it when an AN gets opened—I admit I've been stalking your and Ottava's contribs on and off. Anyway, have a good evening, and hopefully this will be over soon. — Politizer talk/ contribs 17:02, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
I'd like to again thank you for taking the time to check and review the hook. It's understandable that you don't have much time to take a good look at it since there's just so many hooks and perhaps not enough people to help reviewing them, so I don't blame you ;). Maybe I should find some time to help reviewing hooks too, just so to relief you guys. Again, thank you. -- クラ ウド 668 17:10, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
We go back quite a bit so I think I owe you an apology for being short with you. Although I can justify my actions in many ways, there is no excuse for me to put you through any strain. I'm sorry. Ottava Rima ( talk) 23:12, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
Yes, I did set it to 8 hours. I wonder what made you feel confused, because it has been only about 7 hours since the last update. Isn't it a bit too early to worry..? -- BorgQueen ( talk) 14:08, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
No, that's totally fine, I just noticed your edit and I don't mind. I actually realized after posting it that I probably shouldn't have. In any case, the rest of the DYK reviewers are all smart people and will be able to see what's going on without my needing to remind them. Thanks for keeping me honest, and my apologies again for repeatedly dragging you into all this; I'll try to keep myself under control from now on. — Politizer talk/ contribs 03:56, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
Did you add Kathryn Stott for more variety? -- BorgQueen ( talk) 05:23, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
Thanks, again, Gatoclass. If I understand the new system aright, it should be live at least some of the time during the UK day, which is perfect. And by the way, extremely belated congratulations on your well-deserved promotion! Espresso Addict ( talk) 06:35, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
It doesn't say that and I am not absolutely certain, but as I recall the bot behaved sort of erratically when it was not lined up like that. Sigh.. -- BorgQueen ( talk) 15:52, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
Hi Gatoclass. I posted a reply to your request at Granada Bridge (Ormond Beach). -- Suntag ☼ 19:08, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
I stand by this comment 100%. I and others voted you as an administrator to stand by DYK rules. You have adopted practices that are NOT accepted by the community, and your comment to Rlevse, saying that you will vote against him for saying that the community must approve of things first is 100% against the whole reason why you were made an admin. Put yourself up for recall if you think you honestly deserve to be an admin. That is completely inappropriate. The community does not agree with you nor with Art's interpretations. Its time for you to realize that. You cannot threaten your way into getting people to change their minds. Ottava Rima ( talk) 05:31, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
Hi Gatoclass. I've been looking at the comments left by those who have opposed my ArbCom candidacy, and I couldn't help noticing that you said you were opposing "regretfully". I've since prepared a statement that I hope will allay people's concerns. That statement can be seen here. The "Decisiveness and block actions" and "Leniency and hardline stances" sections may addresses your concerns about whether I would be capable of applying the harshest sanctions. I hope you will be able to have a look. Thanks. Carcharoth ( talk) 05:48, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
Gatoclass, I just wanted to let you know, someone (not Ottava Rima) started a thread at ANI about your vote against Rlevse; the thread is here. There's probably not even a need for you to respond, as the thread seems pretty frivolous...but I just figured I should give you the link in case you want to respond anyway. Best, — Politizer talk/ contribs 06:46, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
You claimed that I was wasting everyone's time. Applying the standards that blockquotes, quotes, and duplicated information should not count, your numbers are way off. This means that your claims that I am doing something improper are based on extremely bad evidence. This is also self serving bad evidence. I suggest you apologize and strike immediately. Ottava Rima ( talk) 17:24, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
I'm dying here trying to keep quiet. Must... get it... off my chest... Mustn't... nominate... for 5x-expansion in last 5 days... the page... Wikipedia talk:Did you know. Haus Talk 17:44, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
Thank you for your help with the references, I'm glad to see it's verified! How do I see when it'll be on the front page?-- DarkAvenger ( talk) 14:34, 18 December 2008 (UTC) Awesome, thanks! -- DarkAvenger ( talk) 14:58, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
Hi, I'd just like to let you know what the template {{
DYKsug}}
was just updated with a new feature: now, for all DYK nominations that include only one article, it auto-generates the credit templates ({{
DYKmake}}
and {{
DYKnom}}
), which the person moving the hook to Next may simply cut and past from T:TDYK directly into next. This only happens with single-article nominations; if the nomination has more than one article, there will be a message in the template saying "Credits must be done manually by the person moving this nomination to Next" or something like that. It will probably be a few days before you start seeing the auto-generated credit templates, since the template was only just updated and only the new nominations will reflect it; the first several times you see auto-generated credit templates, you may want to double-check the nom as you are promoting it, just to make sure the credits are correct.
There have been some other minor changes—mainly, now if a DYK nominator lists himself as both "creator/expander" and "nominator," the "nominator" field ends up blank (so that what gets displayed is "Created by
User, self nom" rather than "Created by
User, nominated by
User." Also, the fields, |collaborator=
, |collaborator2=
, and |collaborator3=
have been replaced with the more intuitive |creator2=
, |creator3=
, and |creator4=
.
Please let me know if you experience any problems with the new template. — Politizer talk/ contribs 15:31, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
|comment=
, but there's no guarantee that comments entered there are actually complicated details about who edited the articles, so that's not a good idea).... which means that for multi-article noms, the DYK reviewers will just have to take the auto-generated credits with a grain of salt, and double-check to make sure they're right. 90% of the time it should be fine, if most multi-noms have the same people working on each article.Do you think the following points could be a DYK proposal ?
I think nobody knows that :-) Ceedjee ( talk) 14:35, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
Hey Ceedjee, I noticed your comment at Gatoclass's talk page, and I just wanted to say, it looks like a good fact for DYK (although it's a little long; you could trim it down to be a bit punchier), but as far as I can tell the article attached to it isn't new or expanded (DYK articles have to have either been created in the past several days, or expanded fivefold in the past several days). Were you planning on starting a new article on a related topic? — Politizer talk/ contribs 14:43, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
Apparently you were the one that had a series of articles on Egyptian temples for an 8-article hook. My previous DYK hook was 5-articles:
And the one previous was a 4-article hook:
Apparently Ottava Rima has given it an approval, so probably in the next few days it should go up if all goes well. Someday I am sure this record will be broken also - we will see how long it lasts. How long was your record of an 8-article hook?-- Doug Coldwell talk 21:48, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
BorgQueen ( talk) 00:55, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
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Per User:YellowMonkey's concern that we have a backlog, I've shortened the cycle to 5 hours. Please let me know if you have objections. -- BorgQueen ( talk) 04:10, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
I meant to do that but got busy. :) I think maybe you should post a summary of the results, instead of just closing it. Just a thought. Best. ++ Lar: t/ c 05:28, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
Some people seem to resent this linking. What do you think? -- BorgQueen ( talk) 09:09, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
Well, that's fine with me, although it will inevitably generate some backlog we'll have to deal with later. -- BorgQueen ( talk) 13:03, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
See? Worked like magic. :-D -- BorgQueen ( talk) 13:43, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for making 2008 an interesting and enlightening year for me; at some point, our paths have crossed and I've found your comments amusing, helpful or thought-provoking—I'll let you guess which!
Do you think German Socialist Labour Party in Poland – Left is ok to be promoted? (after Xmas) It has been approved and moved by someone and currently in the queue 5, but I am being cautious since it relies on a single source. -- BorgQueen ( talk) 09:41, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
I have replied at my talk page. CIreland ( talk) 06:28, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
Hi Politizer, just wondering about the output of your DYKsuggestion template.
I notice for example that for the Zhao Zongru hook, the template is outputting the following:
| creator = Nlu | creator2 = | creator3 = | creator4 = | expander = | expander2 = | expander3 = | nominator = | comment = | image = | credits = *{{DYKmake|Zhao Zongru|Nlu}}
I can't really see the point in all this. Once DYKsuggestion has outputted the credit string, ie *{{DYKmake|Zhao Zongru|Nlu}}, why do we need all the rest? It seems redundant and it takes up a lot of space. Also, we are experiencing increasing problems with loading times for the page, so the less text the better.
One other thing, I've noticed your code outputs this whole DYKsuggestion thing in brackets {{}}. Is there a reason for that? I can't see why they are needed. Gatoclass ( talk) 11:42, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
| creator = Nlu | credits = *{{DYKmake|Zhao Zongru|Nlu}}
#if:
expressions, but I haven't had any luck yet; I asked Ameliorate! to look into it a while back but I think he was away at the time, so I might try nudging him/her again or getting in touch with Lifebaka, who has also helped out with the template.|creator=
and |expander=
(when the second should have been |creator2=
...another argument in favor of your idea of scrapping the "expander" field altogether) and didn't make credit for the expander...and another with two creators and a nominator (where the nominator was one of the creators) and it made nom credit, instead of creator credit, for the second guy. I'll have to fiddle around with those at some point.I am sorry, but I can only run the bot; I do not have the expertise to repair it. — harej // be happy 17:22, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
I thought a bot did that? Cirt ( talk) 15:25, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
I've commented here. And I am not comfortable that the credits section has hidden section headings like <!--Creators/Expanders -->. It might be worth a try to get rid of these notices to see if the bot behaves better. -- BorgQueen ( talk) 05:44, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
Happy New Year Gatoclass/Archive 6!!!! I wish for you and your family to have a wonderful 2009!!! Have fun partying and may you make many edits!!!
12:33, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
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