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Hi Frank, thanks for deleting that, there is also another copy, here please have a look at the note I left at AN here . Off2riorob ( talk) 14:52, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
Can you tell me why it was removed to my user page, and then someone still delete it before I can do anything ? I haven't even got a chance to say hold it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ronald2010 ( talk • contribs) 14:35, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
I understand your reason for deleting Silviu Ionescu was because of BLP. Can you explain to me how is the BLP poicy apply on this [ [1]] ? 121.7.53.23 ( talk) 09:01, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
Michael Fay is a living person. He was sentenced to caning for the crime he committed in Singapore. Is he notable ? Well, he is definitely not a hero, nor a millionaire. He is just a foreigner committed a crime in Singapore and was punished. The news then had created a big wave in Singapore and in USA. He is therefore notable in that sense. From this point of view, Silviu Ionescu is similar. He is a foreigner, a Romanian, committed (more) crime (than Michael Fay) in Singapore. It is found in an open Coroner's Inquiry that he is responsible for the accidents. Lots of news report and online discussion about him in Singapore and Romania.
Mind you, this is not DEFRAME nor ATTACK (which I really disagree with yours and the others' earlier comments that my deleted write up on Silviu Ionescu was to deframe him). I am deframing him if the Court has not ruled. That means, I do not solid evidence to say he committed the crimes, and he can sue me. But, this case, the Court has ruled. It is a PROVEN CASE now. Not an opinion, not a speculation. If you noted, I wrote the article for Wikipedia AFTER the Court has given the verdict (although I started developing the draft copy in my user space nearing the date of Court's verdict). This is the care that I taken to ensure that the facts are written, (and to reply to the other person who said my article was a copy of the news, yes it is because it is based on the same facts as reported, so that is why, and I quoted the sources too) some kind of fair treatment for him. I'll let you know that there are many members of the Facebook group will support me is saying this and I am inviting them to watch this discussion now.
Did the current Wikipedia write up on Michael Fay show his other good ? or just mainly talk about what he did in Singapore ? Nope. Michael Fay maybe a celebrity by now, and maybe a founder of a very successful IT company now, or a CEO or a Fortune 500 company now. But the Wikipedia article currently shows his crime committed in Singapore. That is going to be the same for Silviu Ionescu. He maybe a member of the secret police in his country, killing more people than we can ever imagine. But his two reckless accident in Singapore kill one, injured two. That is enough to make him 'infamous'.
I hope I have elaborated enough to justify the article, by citing a current article of Micheal Fay, which is also one single incident. So my question to you is, how is the BLP policy applied here ? Thank you.
121.7.53.23 ( talk) 02:35, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
Hi Frank, please do reply on the above mentioned with full answer. Thanks & best regards, from Daniel on 08-April-2010 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.14.58.58 ( talk) 03:52, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
I support you Jackie !! You are doing the right thing. It's the truth and you have all the facts all correct. You are not doing it to spread bad news or give somebody a bad name. It's to create awareness to all people in the world about the stupidity and the ignorance of people who are honored with diplomatic immunity and abused it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 218.186.12.238 ( talk) 14:44, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
(PS: I am copying this from another talk page as its a similar arguement I am making)
Hi Frank,
Just to question the level of notability of the case: How exactly would you quantify notability?
I.e. I look at another article I used to touch on [Meredith Kercher]. Both are notable for only one single specific incident (A hit-and-run vs a murder), and both involved a few countries (The hit and run involved a Romanian who hit a Malaysian working in Singapore, the murder case similarly crossed international boundaries due to the nationalities of the victim and prosecuted).
Do a search on "Silviu Ionescu" compared to "Meredith Kercher" on Google (web) and Google (news), a comparison of both searches show more results and entries for "Silviu Ionescu" than "Meredith Kercher". It might not have triggeredas much eyeball in the States, but the European and Asian news agencies are covering this quite aggressively.
The fact that in the case of Ionescu, it actually triggered diplomatic responses and action from the countries involved is possibly a contributing factor., but that should not take anything away from it.
So back to the test for Notability:
It is inevitable that the article will veer close to BLP issues, considering that the article is after all about a person who rose to notoriety because of the hit-and-run. The best we can do is craft an article that as reliable and well documented as possible, creating an article based on info as is, without biased writing. I do hope the article goes up soon (Or at least a skeleton of it so that other editors can help tidy it up. The case could have indirect repercussions that would eventually tie in with other articles, and not just from the Diplomatic Immunity angle (I.e. there is talk that during the coming General Elections in Singapore, this issue could be used as a weapon by the opposition parties to question the effectiveness of the existing government who allegedly over-protect Ionescu and let him leave the country before the investigation was over, on top of other foreign affairs issues); so it is inevitable that the incident is definitely going to resurface in one form/article or another. Zhanzhao ( talk) 23:31, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
Zhanzhao ( talk) 23:31, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
FRANK, I AM SUPPORTING THIS ISSUE, AN INTERNATIONAL WARRANT OF ARREST HAS ALREADY OUT, AND ALL ARE TURE FACTS .. SO ALL THESE RELATED MATTERS SHOULD BE AVALIABLE HERE .. CORRECT ??? WRITTEN BY DANIEL —Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.14.58.58 ( talk) 09:34, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
Frank,
Today, Singapore MFA met with the Romanian Ambassador. Singapore authorities issued a Warrant of Arrest for Silviu Ionescu. At the same time interpol issued a [[ http://www.interpol.int/Public/Wanted/Default.asp%7C Red ]] [ | Notice ] for him as well.
I believe I have presented my case to you that this is not an attack, and there is sufficient international interest in this matter, and therefore notability. If you are satisfied with all these explanation, please restore the page.
Before listing a review request, please attempt to discuss the matter with the admin who deleted the page (or otherwise made the decision) as this could resolve the matter faster. There could have been a mistake, miscommunication, or misunderstanding, and a full review may not be needed. Such discussion also gives the admin the opportunity to clarify the reasoning behind a decision. If things don't work out, please note in the DRV listing that you first tried discussing the matter with the admin who deleted the page.
Otherwise, I would appreciate that you let me know that things still don't work out with you, so that I can proceed with DRV.
Ronald2010 ( talk) 10:26, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
Some valid points; I still say that WP:FIRST, WP:AFC, and WP:INCUBATE are key. Frank | talk 00:46, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
Just to be absolutely clear, whether or not he is guilty is immaterial. The problem is that no substantial reliable independent biographical sources have been presented, all you've done is present an unfolding news story. Wikipedia is not a tabloid. That's the issue here. You want to insert a biography into an encyclopaedia based on news stories about an event. Wikinews does news stories, we do biographies of people whose overall life has been covered in sufficient depth that we can discuss it without giving undue weight to a single event. I'm sorry you are having such difficulty understanding this. Guy ( Help!) 18:49, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
Yesterday evening, I went to AFC chatroom and chat with two very helpful Wikipedians, in total for more than an hour. One of them told me that, if I add | current article sufficient background of Silviu Ionescu, the article is definitely publishible. Since yesterday, I have got the help of a Romanian and found | a brief CV of Silviu Ionescu; and I am about to add it in.
And yet, Guy, you just closed it. Your action led me to think that you will everything to kill this article. Please explain your action. If you carry on like this, I will lodge a very strong complaint against you. Ronald2010 ( talk) 01:20, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
thanks for the message but it looks like someone else decided not to wait. NtheP ( talk) 17:01, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
I am trying to put the character bio in my own words. You just deleted a half-hours' work. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hotspur23 ( talk • contribs)
This is an example of what is WRONG with Wikipedia. You deleted this material by claiming "this stuff is not encyclopedic at all":
It should be noted that some cases come from nations (such as the United Kingdom) with compulsory birth registration and a central government register of documents; these cases are more than 90% likely to be eventually verified. citation needed original research? Others come from nations that, historically, have had few or no verified cases, and thus one can infer that their likelihood of verification will be small (less than 10%). citation needed original research? Since cases of persons just turning 110 are often less likely to be processed, the reader can infer that cases nearer the top of the list are less likely to be verified. original research? For example, if someone is now listed as age 112, the case had more than two years to produce sufficient evidence of age. In addition, studies have shown that the validation rate for cases decreases, the higher the age claimed (in part because the true cases, if younger than the false/exaggerated claims, will be more likely to die first). citation needed Thus, this list can be viewed, inferentially, as a sliding scale of believability. original research?
Yet I am offering my expertise in this area. In fact, I have material soon to be published that will show this to be true. I suppose the world can wait until it reaches journal publication. That does NOT mean, however, that this is not encyclopedic. It should be obvious, really, that the higher the age claimed, the less likely it is to be true. Why? Let's consider a hypothetical situation.
We have 30 people claiming to be 110. Of these, 20 are 110; 7 are 109; 2 are 100 and one is 90 years old. Who is most-likely to die first? If the death rate at 110 is 50% and at 90 or 100 it is closer to 25-30%, and we go one year later, it statistically more likely that some of the real 110-year-olds died first.
Suppose, one year later, of the 30 people, we now have 20. Of these, one is 91, 2 are 101, and four are 110. 13 are 111. The number of "real" people aged 111 is now 65%, down from 67% a year earlier.
Eventually, the number of real people drop rapidly. Let's say five year later, we now have three people left: all the 111-year-olds have died; the three remaining are 115 (but claiming 116); 106 (but claiming 116); and 96 (but claiming 116). By this point, none of the claims are true (validation rate 0%), although one is close to being true.
Even in the USA, more than 99% of claims to age 116+ are false...imagine how bad the records from places like India are, where "136" year-olds turn out to be 100 years old (as actually happened).
Ryoung122 18:02, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
Looking much better :) avs5221 ( talk) 14:51, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
I notice that you did a good faith redirect for Mount Morris (community), Wisconsin to the town with the same name. You have fallen for the common misperception. In Wisconsin, a town is a different government unit that is not a community. Please review Political_subdivisions_of_Wisconsin#Town for background. Towns frequently were named after an unincorporated community (or municipality) in the town. This misperception "problem" has been explained and discussed many times at the WikiProject, 2 examples: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Wisconsin/Archive_4#Proposed_merger_of_articles:Town.26City_of_Madison.26Janesville., Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Wisconsin/Archive_4#Sun_Prairie_city_and_town_articles. I have undone the redirect. This article is about the community within the town. Royal broil 03:17, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
If you had read the original article completely, you might have noticed that it was really nothing more than a wedding announcement. WikiDan61 ChatMe! ReadMe!! 17:20, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
Hi Frank! Thanks for your note regarding the vandalism of Dorothy Height's page; it was sickening to find it on the day of her funeral, an event so moving that when I saw it on C-Span video, I was enthusiastic about learning more of the life of this amazing woman. It angered me to see such juvenile and destructive behavior here.
I especially appreciate that you pointed out when the vandalism occurred, because as a newbie here, I find it extremely confusing to read the edit history pages. I had poked around there for a while, and couldn't figure it out.
The person responsible for the vandalism, as you know, was only identified by IP address (as I am, too -- reading about setting up an account has me bogged down in regard to understanding security measures here, how to verify identity, etc. -- but I plan to get a "real" account asap). When I clicked on that person's IP address link, I discovered that in March of this year, that IP address was warned that ONE more instance of vandalism (for which the Dorothy Height hijinks counts, yes?) would result in that person's IP being banned.
Would I need to do something to report elsewhere, so that vandal will be banned, or is that something you can do? If it can be explained to me, I'd be happy to do it -- as one small way to show gratitude for the life of Dr. Height and all she has done for civil rights.
Thanks again for your note, and thanks in advance for any further response from you! It's nice to know there are "white hats" here helping to educate newbies like me about the vandals.
I understand your concern but rest assured that I and hopefully others would ensure that only notable people were included on the list, so I would ask you to reconsider your choice to nominate the page for deletion. Have a good day. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mwhite148 ( talk • contribs) 11:30, 30 April 2010
Thanks! I was a little puzzled when I saw the tag read in relation to a living person when Crimble died 137 years ago! AssociateAffiliate ( talk) 16:50, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
Please see my comments on my talk page about the item you undid. I think that before removing easily verifiable information for lack of citation, it would be better to look it up and enter the citation. I also don't think that erroneous information should be inserted into the article. It's really easy for people to make technical changes; considerably more difficult to actually improve the article. I could go through it and enter citations for every point where required, as well as correct the errors that have crept into it. I gave up editing this article quite a while ago because I really don't like wasting my time defending it from what I very frankly consider a form of vandalism -- technically correct in terms of Wikipedia policy, perhaps, but detrimental to overall quality. I hope that you will take these remarks in the spirit of helpfulness with which they are offered. Jules Siegel ( talk) 03:58, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
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Thank you - for saving someone drowning. With my coding skills I should never leave the sandbox. Eudemis ( talk) 22:43, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
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Connormah ( talk | contribs) 15:54, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
Hi there Frank, check out the talk page on amyotrophic lateral sclerosis; unfortunately whenever there is a section for "notable cases" it quickly fills up with a lot of folks. Rather than try and establish thresholds for notability for having a disease we've been discussing other ways such as creating a new category for people affected by this disease. My original argument was that by far the two most notable cases, Stephen Hawking and Lou Gehrig, are well described and referenced in the intro. I don't think additional cases really add a lot to the disease story itself; there are other systems like that e.g. PatientsLikeMe.com or patients' own blogs / sites. Happy to discuss further, perhaps weigh in on the ALS talk page? Cheers, -- PaulWicks ( talk) 23:47, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
Hi Frank - I noticed that you recently undid the edit of an anonymous user on the article Robert Byrd in this edit. As far as I know, the edit was good to go - the editor fixed capitalization errors and corrected grammar to the American style. Because of this, I undid your edit (apologies for that; I know that it is often frowned upon to undo the edit of an administrator without confronting them first, but when I took a glance on your userpage prior to undoing the edit, I didn't realize that you were an administrator until now, since the only indication was a category). Thanks, ~ Super Hamster Talk Contribs 02:47, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
Is there a minimum age and maximum age to be an editor on wikipedia?, Gobbleswoggler ( talk) 15:50, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
I rollbacked the edit.Just out of interest,do you think i am doing well for a 12 year old?, Gobbleswoggler ( talk) 19:25, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for taking care of that. I was replying to an email when Pathare messaged on my talk, so I didn't see it until after you had already moved it. Much appreciated. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 07:45, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
Regarding your recent message where you showed me the links for my requests for adminship,it has number 4 but not number 3.Did i put a wrong number for one of them and if so,can you fix them?, Gobbleswoggler ( talk) 14:30, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
This IP blocked yesterday: [6]
Im pretty sure this is him: [7]
Both IPs have edited the same article and both are removing Palestine. -- Supreme Deliciousness ( talk) 23:01, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
I've had a look at those Gobbleswoggler RfAs now - thoughts at User talk:Boing! said Zebedee#Idea. -- Boing! said Zebedee ( talk) 14:38, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
Hi Frank - apologies if I was not making myself understood properly on that point about LZ and British Isles - I was actually trying to be funny, but I know my Brit humor doesn't always come transmit. :-) Jamesinderbyshire ( talk) 08:27, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
Hi Frank, I appreciate your comments to my light hearted message to Gobbleswoggler. Nobody has done more to help this kid out of his misery than I have, It wasn't my intention to make a mockery out of the excellent work that some admins do. However, just for the record, there are some admins who regularly abuse their privileges - I have been the victim of such direct abuse, but of course there was nothing I could do about it.-- Kudpung ( talk) 15:31, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
Please don't remove any templates without first discussing why it should be removed.
The last thing we all want is to remove an article that merits to be on Wikipedia. That said, please come to Fight The Fade's talk page and tell us why Fight The Fade should stay in Wikipedia.
Remember that the argument needs to address the points in WP:MUSIC#Criteria for musicians and ensembles.
Thanks, and I look forward to seeing your points for why Fight The Fade should be kept! :)
-- ℐℴℯℓ ℳ. ℂℌAT ✐ 15:55, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
Hi, I was referring to the oppose and misplaced it. Esteffect ( talk) 02:23, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
On a recent RfA, you said you did a "Wikistalk check" to check interaction between the candidate and your own account. Can you tell me how exactly you did that? Is there a toolserver program or a script available? Thanks. SnottyWong chatter 18:42, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
Your other work here is impeccable. I am not a teacher's creep and I have no intention of embarrasing you by engaging valuable admin time at WP:ANI, WP:DR, or WP:RFC or ARBCOM. I simply hope that this episode will encourage you to reflect upon your own sincerity as a sysop. I will not be watching this page for a reply.-- Kudpung ( talk) 21:09, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
Hello from Spain, could you write the article Au Pair (film) in spanish wikipedia, thanks. 18:43 16 ago 2010 (Spain). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.125.198.106 ( talk) 16:43, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
The page WiFi Positioning System ( http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Wi-Fi_Positioning_System&redirect=no) redirects to here ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skyhook_Wireless, a commercial company). WPS is a technology proposed some years ago, and being used by SkyHook Wireless. I would suggest to use the page of WPS for the WPS technology itself, and not as a redirector to Skyhook
PS: I'm still a newbie, so sorry if my message shouldn't be posted here (and I would be very pleasant if you can tell me the right place:) Kikoso ( talk) 18:55, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
I am an agent of the copy right holder for all things related to the Sorensen Institute for Political Leadership. Please let me know what I can do to restore our article. Bmh8n ( talk) 19:04, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
I am creating page for the mind mapping software DropMind. The previous contributor did know how to create Wikipedia page to be verifiable and autenthic. I am reffering this pages to the reliable sources, as well as to put it in the appropriate category. I hope that this work will be accepted not as a spam, because it is not. Dragan Varagic ( talk) 10:39, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
Hello Frank, how are you doing? What happened is that since I gained some undeserved (I really mean this) fame as a Puerto Rican military historian, I often receive phone calls from some of the people that I write about to thank me. In the case of Castro, we once spoke and I asked him on what date was he was born because I would like to post it. I did so in good faith. Take care my friend Tony the Marine ( talk) 17:01, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
A discussion has begun about whether the article SMARTHINKING, which you created or to which you contributed, should be deleted. While contributions are welcome, an article may be deleted if it is inconsistent with Wikipedia policies and guidelines for inclusion, explained in the deletion policy.
The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/SMARTHINKING until a consensus is reached, and you are welcome to contribute to the discussion.
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I've posed some inquiries at User_talk:SoWhy#Query that I'd like your insight on as well, if you have a moment. Best regards, TRANSPORTERMAN ( TALK) 14:19, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
Hi Frank, Saw the revert. That's fine. I added the mention of Tony's passing because I've seen updates like that added to personal life sections. Have a nice day, Malke 2010 ( talk) 14:32, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
I'm curious what notability does it assert. It won a league or two in a non notable league?? Mo ainm ~Talk 17:10, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
Hi Frank, Can you shed light on the deleting of the 3D Mini Me page. I'm a bit new at Wikipedia, and was creating a reference equivalent to Funko on the subject of bubbleheads. It meets the criteria of Funko. Rgds —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pablobran ( talk • contribs) 17:35, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
JJBulten has a problem with all articles on longevity and supercentenarians, because the scientific consensus is that the maximum human life span is 122, and that contradicts his religious fundamentalist belief that Noah really did live to 950, because the Bible says so.
His self-described "bolding war" is merely an attempt to cause trouble. The bolded text was NOT in article text, but used for individual names in a list. There is no real issue here. Bolding was used as a visual aid to distinguish between the living and the deceased. While green background is also used, the bolding makes it easier to read through the green background. Ryoung122 20:37, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
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Hi Frank, thanks for deleting that, there is also another copy, here please have a look at the note I left at AN here . Off2riorob ( talk) 14:52, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
Can you tell me why it was removed to my user page, and then someone still delete it before I can do anything ? I haven't even got a chance to say hold it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ronald2010 ( talk • contribs) 14:35, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
I understand your reason for deleting Silviu Ionescu was because of BLP. Can you explain to me how is the BLP poicy apply on this [ [1]] ? 121.7.53.23 ( talk) 09:01, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
Michael Fay is a living person. He was sentenced to caning for the crime he committed in Singapore. Is he notable ? Well, he is definitely not a hero, nor a millionaire. He is just a foreigner committed a crime in Singapore and was punished. The news then had created a big wave in Singapore and in USA. He is therefore notable in that sense. From this point of view, Silviu Ionescu is similar. He is a foreigner, a Romanian, committed (more) crime (than Michael Fay) in Singapore. It is found in an open Coroner's Inquiry that he is responsible for the accidents. Lots of news report and online discussion about him in Singapore and Romania.
Mind you, this is not DEFRAME nor ATTACK (which I really disagree with yours and the others' earlier comments that my deleted write up on Silviu Ionescu was to deframe him). I am deframing him if the Court has not ruled. That means, I do not solid evidence to say he committed the crimes, and he can sue me. But, this case, the Court has ruled. It is a PROVEN CASE now. Not an opinion, not a speculation. If you noted, I wrote the article for Wikipedia AFTER the Court has given the verdict (although I started developing the draft copy in my user space nearing the date of Court's verdict). This is the care that I taken to ensure that the facts are written, (and to reply to the other person who said my article was a copy of the news, yes it is because it is based on the same facts as reported, so that is why, and I quoted the sources too) some kind of fair treatment for him. I'll let you know that there are many members of the Facebook group will support me is saying this and I am inviting them to watch this discussion now.
Did the current Wikipedia write up on Michael Fay show his other good ? or just mainly talk about what he did in Singapore ? Nope. Michael Fay maybe a celebrity by now, and maybe a founder of a very successful IT company now, or a CEO or a Fortune 500 company now. But the Wikipedia article currently shows his crime committed in Singapore. That is going to be the same for Silviu Ionescu. He maybe a member of the secret police in his country, killing more people than we can ever imagine. But his two reckless accident in Singapore kill one, injured two. That is enough to make him 'infamous'.
I hope I have elaborated enough to justify the article, by citing a current article of Micheal Fay, which is also one single incident. So my question to you is, how is the BLP policy applied here ? Thank you.
121.7.53.23 ( talk) 02:35, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
Hi Frank, please do reply on the above mentioned with full answer. Thanks & best regards, from Daniel on 08-April-2010 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.14.58.58 ( talk) 03:52, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
I support you Jackie !! You are doing the right thing. It's the truth and you have all the facts all correct. You are not doing it to spread bad news or give somebody a bad name. It's to create awareness to all people in the world about the stupidity and the ignorance of people who are honored with diplomatic immunity and abused it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 218.186.12.238 ( talk) 14:44, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
(PS: I am copying this from another talk page as its a similar arguement I am making)
Hi Frank,
Just to question the level of notability of the case: How exactly would you quantify notability?
I.e. I look at another article I used to touch on [Meredith Kercher]. Both are notable for only one single specific incident (A hit-and-run vs a murder), and both involved a few countries (The hit and run involved a Romanian who hit a Malaysian working in Singapore, the murder case similarly crossed international boundaries due to the nationalities of the victim and prosecuted).
Do a search on "Silviu Ionescu" compared to "Meredith Kercher" on Google (web) and Google (news), a comparison of both searches show more results and entries for "Silviu Ionescu" than "Meredith Kercher". It might not have triggeredas much eyeball in the States, but the European and Asian news agencies are covering this quite aggressively.
The fact that in the case of Ionescu, it actually triggered diplomatic responses and action from the countries involved is possibly a contributing factor., but that should not take anything away from it.
So back to the test for Notability:
It is inevitable that the article will veer close to BLP issues, considering that the article is after all about a person who rose to notoriety because of the hit-and-run. The best we can do is craft an article that as reliable and well documented as possible, creating an article based on info as is, without biased writing. I do hope the article goes up soon (Or at least a skeleton of it so that other editors can help tidy it up. The case could have indirect repercussions that would eventually tie in with other articles, and not just from the Diplomatic Immunity angle (I.e. there is talk that during the coming General Elections in Singapore, this issue could be used as a weapon by the opposition parties to question the effectiveness of the existing government who allegedly over-protect Ionescu and let him leave the country before the investigation was over, on top of other foreign affairs issues); so it is inevitable that the incident is definitely going to resurface in one form/article or another. Zhanzhao ( talk) 23:31, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
Zhanzhao ( talk) 23:31, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
FRANK, I AM SUPPORTING THIS ISSUE, AN INTERNATIONAL WARRANT OF ARREST HAS ALREADY OUT, AND ALL ARE TURE FACTS .. SO ALL THESE RELATED MATTERS SHOULD BE AVALIABLE HERE .. CORRECT ??? WRITTEN BY DANIEL —Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.14.58.58 ( talk) 09:34, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
Frank,
Today, Singapore MFA met with the Romanian Ambassador. Singapore authorities issued a Warrant of Arrest for Silviu Ionescu. At the same time interpol issued a [[ http://www.interpol.int/Public/Wanted/Default.asp%7C Red ]] [ | Notice ] for him as well.
I believe I have presented my case to you that this is not an attack, and there is sufficient international interest in this matter, and therefore notability. If you are satisfied with all these explanation, please restore the page.
Before listing a review request, please attempt to discuss the matter with the admin who deleted the page (or otherwise made the decision) as this could resolve the matter faster. There could have been a mistake, miscommunication, or misunderstanding, and a full review may not be needed. Such discussion also gives the admin the opportunity to clarify the reasoning behind a decision. If things don't work out, please note in the DRV listing that you first tried discussing the matter with the admin who deleted the page.
Otherwise, I would appreciate that you let me know that things still don't work out with you, so that I can proceed with DRV.
Ronald2010 ( talk) 10:26, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
Some valid points; I still say that WP:FIRST, WP:AFC, and WP:INCUBATE are key. Frank | talk 00:46, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
Just to be absolutely clear, whether or not he is guilty is immaterial. The problem is that no substantial reliable independent biographical sources have been presented, all you've done is present an unfolding news story. Wikipedia is not a tabloid. That's the issue here. You want to insert a biography into an encyclopaedia based on news stories about an event. Wikinews does news stories, we do biographies of people whose overall life has been covered in sufficient depth that we can discuss it without giving undue weight to a single event. I'm sorry you are having such difficulty understanding this. Guy ( Help!) 18:49, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
Yesterday evening, I went to AFC chatroom and chat with two very helpful Wikipedians, in total for more than an hour. One of them told me that, if I add | current article sufficient background of Silviu Ionescu, the article is definitely publishible. Since yesterday, I have got the help of a Romanian and found | a brief CV of Silviu Ionescu; and I am about to add it in.
And yet, Guy, you just closed it. Your action led me to think that you will everything to kill this article. Please explain your action. If you carry on like this, I will lodge a very strong complaint against you. Ronald2010 ( talk) 01:20, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
thanks for the message but it looks like someone else decided not to wait. NtheP ( talk) 17:01, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
I am trying to put the character bio in my own words. You just deleted a half-hours' work. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hotspur23 ( talk • contribs)
This is an example of what is WRONG with Wikipedia. You deleted this material by claiming "this stuff is not encyclopedic at all":
It should be noted that some cases come from nations (such as the United Kingdom) with compulsory birth registration and a central government register of documents; these cases are more than 90% likely to be eventually verified. citation needed original research? Others come from nations that, historically, have had few or no verified cases, and thus one can infer that their likelihood of verification will be small (less than 10%). citation needed original research? Since cases of persons just turning 110 are often less likely to be processed, the reader can infer that cases nearer the top of the list are less likely to be verified. original research? For example, if someone is now listed as age 112, the case had more than two years to produce sufficient evidence of age. In addition, studies have shown that the validation rate for cases decreases, the higher the age claimed (in part because the true cases, if younger than the false/exaggerated claims, will be more likely to die first). citation needed Thus, this list can be viewed, inferentially, as a sliding scale of believability. original research?
Yet I am offering my expertise in this area. In fact, I have material soon to be published that will show this to be true. I suppose the world can wait until it reaches journal publication. That does NOT mean, however, that this is not encyclopedic. It should be obvious, really, that the higher the age claimed, the less likely it is to be true. Why? Let's consider a hypothetical situation.
We have 30 people claiming to be 110. Of these, 20 are 110; 7 are 109; 2 are 100 and one is 90 years old. Who is most-likely to die first? If the death rate at 110 is 50% and at 90 or 100 it is closer to 25-30%, and we go one year later, it statistically more likely that some of the real 110-year-olds died first.
Suppose, one year later, of the 30 people, we now have 20. Of these, one is 91, 2 are 101, and four are 110. 13 are 111. The number of "real" people aged 111 is now 65%, down from 67% a year earlier.
Eventually, the number of real people drop rapidly. Let's say five year later, we now have three people left: all the 111-year-olds have died; the three remaining are 115 (but claiming 116); 106 (but claiming 116); and 96 (but claiming 116). By this point, none of the claims are true (validation rate 0%), although one is close to being true.
Even in the USA, more than 99% of claims to age 116+ are false...imagine how bad the records from places like India are, where "136" year-olds turn out to be 100 years old (as actually happened).
Ryoung122 18:02, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
Looking much better :) avs5221 ( talk) 14:51, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
I notice that you did a good faith redirect for Mount Morris (community), Wisconsin to the town with the same name. You have fallen for the common misperception. In Wisconsin, a town is a different government unit that is not a community. Please review Political_subdivisions_of_Wisconsin#Town for background. Towns frequently were named after an unincorporated community (or municipality) in the town. This misperception "problem" has been explained and discussed many times at the WikiProject, 2 examples: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Wisconsin/Archive_4#Proposed_merger_of_articles:Town.26City_of_Madison.26Janesville., Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Wisconsin/Archive_4#Sun_Prairie_city_and_town_articles. I have undone the redirect. This article is about the community within the town. Royal broil 03:17, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
If you had read the original article completely, you might have noticed that it was really nothing more than a wedding announcement. WikiDan61 ChatMe! ReadMe!! 17:20, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
Hi Frank! Thanks for your note regarding the vandalism of Dorothy Height's page; it was sickening to find it on the day of her funeral, an event so moving that when I saw it on C-Span video, I was enthusiastic about learning more of the life of this amazing woman. It angered me to see such juvenile and destructive behavior here.
I especially appreciate that you pointed out when the vandalism occurred, because as a newbie here, I find it extremely confusing to read the edit history pages. I had poked around there for a while, and couldn't figure it out.
The person responsible for the vandalism, as you know, was only identified by IP address (as I am, too -- reading about setting up an account has me bogged down in regard to understanding security measures here, how to verify identity, etc. -- but I plan to get a "real" account asap). When I clicked on that person's IP address link, I discovered that in March of this year, that IP address was warned that ONE more instance of vandalism (for which the Dorothy Height hijinks counts, yes?) would result in that person's IP being banned.
Would I need to do something to report elsewhere, so that vandal will be banned, or is that something you can do? If it can be explained to me, I'd be happy to do it -- as one small way to show gratitude for the life of Dr. Height and all she has done for civil rights.
Thanks again for your note, and thanks in advance for any further response from you! It's nice to know there are "white hats" here helping to educate newbies like me about the vandals.
I understand your concern but rest assured that I and hopefully others would ensure that only notable people were included on the list, so I would ask you to reconsider your choice to nominate the page for deletion. Have a good day. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mwhite148 ( talk • contribs) 11:30, 30 April 2010
Thanks! I was a little puzzled when I saw the tag read in relation to a living person when Crimble died 137 years ago! AssociateAffiliate ( talk) 16:50, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
Please see my comments on my talk page about the item you undid. I think that before removing easily verifiable information for lack of citation, it would be better to look it up and enter the citation. I also don't think that erroneous information should be inserted into the article. It's really easy for people to make technical changes; considerably more difficult to actually improve the article. I could go through it and enter citations for every point where required, as well as correct the errors that have crept into it. I gave up editing this article quite a while ago because I really don't like wasting my time defending it from what I very frankly consider a form of vandalism -- technically correct in terms of Wikipedia policy, perhaps, but detrimental to overall quality. I hope that you will take these remarks in the spirit of helpfulness with which they are offered. Jules Siegel ( talk) 03:58, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
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For your recent assistance responding to a query on my talk page (answering it far better than I probably would have), I award you the WikiJaguar Award for Excellence in talk page stalking efforts. – xeno talk 12:55, 20 May 2010 (UTC) |
Thank you - for saving someone drowning. With my coding skills I should never leave the sandbox. Eudemis ( talk) 22:43, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
I removed the recent death template in compliance with guidelines. If you plan on adding it again, please explain your rationale. Thank you. Mk5384 ( talk) 02:06, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
Connormah ( talk | contribs) 15:54, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
Hi there Frank, check out the talk page on amyotrophic lateral sclerosis; unfortunately whenever there is a section for "notable cases" it quickly fills up with a lot of folks. Rather than try and establish thresholds for notability for having a disease we've been discussing other ways such as creating a new category for people affected by this disease. My original argument was that by far the two most notable cases, Stephen Hawking and Lou Gehrig, are well described and referenced in the intro. I don't think additional cases really add a lot to the disease story itself; there are other systems like that e.g. PatientsLikeMe.com or patients' own blogs / sites. Happy to discuss further, perhaps weigh in on the ALS talk page? Cheers, -- PaulWicks ( talk) 23:47, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
Hi Frank - I noticed that you recently undid the edit of an anonymous user on the article Robert Byrd in this edit. As far as I know, the edit was good to go - the editor fixed capitalization errors and corrected grammar to the American style. Because of this, I undid your edit (apologies for that; I know that it is often frowned upon to undo the edit of an administrator without confronting them first, but when I took a glance on your userpage prior to undoing the edit, I didn't realize that you were an administrator until now, since the only indication was a category). Thanks, ~ Super Hamster Talk Contribs 02:47, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
Is there a minimum age and maximum age to be an editor on wikipedia?, Gobbleswoggler ( talk) 15:50, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
I rollbacked the edit.Just out of interest,do you think i am doing well for a 12 year old?, Gobbleswoggler ( talk) 19:25, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for taking care of that. I was replying to an email when Pathare messaged on my talk, so I didn't see it until after you had already moved it. Much appreciated. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 07:45, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
Regarding your recent message where you showed me the links for my requests for adminship,it has number 4 but not number 3.Did i put a wrong number for one of them and if so,can you fix them?, Gobbleswoggler ( talk) 14:30, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
This IP blocked yesterday: [6]
Im pretty sure this is him: [7]
Both IPs have edited the same article and both are removing Palestine. -- Supreme Deliciousness ( talk) 23:01, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
I've had a look at those Gobbleswoggler RfAs now - thoughts at User talk:Boing! said Zebedee#Idea. -- Boing! said Zebedee ( talk) 14:38, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
Hi Frank - apologies if I was not making myself understood properly on that point about LZ and British Isles - I was actually trying to be funny, but I know my Brit humor doesn't always come transmit. :-) Jamesinderbyshire ( talk) 08:27, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
Hi Frank, I appreciate your comments to my light hearted message to Gobbleswoggler. Nobody has done more to help this kid out of his misery than I have, It wasn't my intention to make a mockery out of the excellent work that some admins do. However, just for the record, there are some admins who regularly abuse their privileges - I have been the victim of such direct abuse, but of course there was nothing I could do about it.-- Kudpung ( talk) 15:31, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
Please don't remove any templates without first discussing why it should be removed.
The last thing we all want is to remove an article that merits to be on Wikipedia. That said, please come to Fight The Fade's talk page and tell us why Fight The Fade should stay in Wikipedia.
Remember that the argument needs to address the points in WP:MUSIC#Criteria for musicians and ensembles.
Thanks, and I look forward to seeing your points for why Fight The Fade should be kept! :)
-- ℐℴℯℓ ℳ. ℂℌAT ✐ 15:55, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
Hi, I was referring to the oppose and misplaced it. Esteffect ( talk) 02:23, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
On a recent RfA, you said you did a "Wikistalk check" to check interaction between the candidate and your own account. Can you tell me how exactly you did that? Is there a toolserver program or a script available? Thanks. SnottyWong chatter 18:42, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
Your other work here is impeccable. I am not a teacher's creep and I have no intention of embarrasing you by engaging valuable admin time at WP:ANI, WP:DR, or WP:RFC or ARBCOM. I simply hope that this episode will encourage you to reflect upon your own sincerity as a sysop. I will not be watching this page for a reply.-- Kudpung ( talk) 21:09, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
Hello from Spain, could you write the article Au Pair (film) in spanish wikipedia, thanks. 18:43 16 ago 2010 (Spain). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.125.198.106 ( talk) 16:43, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
The page WiFi Positioning System ( http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Wi-Fi_Positioning_System&redirect=no) redirects to here ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skyhook_Wireless, a commercial company). WPS is a technology proposed some years ago, and being used by SkyHook Wireless. I would suggest to use the page of WPS for the WPS technology itself, and not as a redirector to Skyhook
PS: I'm still a newbie, so sorry if my message shouldn't be posted here (and I would be very pleasant if you can tell me the right place:) Kikoso ( talk) 18:55, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
I am an agent of the copy right holder for all things related to the Sorensen Institute for Political Leadership. Please let me know what I can do to restore our article. Bmh8n ( talk) 19:04, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
I am creating page for the mind mapping software DropMind. The previous contributor did know how to create Wikipedia page to be verifiable and autenthic. I am reffering this pages to the reliable sources, as well as to put it in the appropriate category. I hope that this work will be accepted not as a spam, because it is not. Dragan Varagic ( talk) 10:39, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
Hello Frank, how are you doing? What happened is that since I gained some undeserved (I really mean this) fame as a Puerto Rican military historian, I often receive phone calls from some of the people that I write about to thank me. In the case of Castro, we once spoke and I asked him on what date was he was born because I would like to post it. I did so in good faith. Take care my friend Tony the Marine ( talk) 17:01, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
A discussion has begun about whether the article SMARTHINKING, which you created or to which you contributed, should be deleted. While contributions are welcome, an article may be deleted if it is inconsistent with Wikipedia policies and guidelines for inclusion, explained in the deletion policy.
The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/SMARTHINKING until a consensus is reached, and you are welcome to contribute to the discussion.
You may edit the article during the discussion, including to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article. Velella Velella Talk 10:52, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
I've posed some inquiries at User_talk:SoWhy#Query that I'd like your insight on as well, if you have a moment. Best regards, TRANSPORTERMAN ( TALK) 14:19, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
Hi Frank, Saw the revert. That's fine. I added the mention of Tony's passing because I've seen updates like that added to personal life sections. Have a nice day, Malke 2010 ( talk) 14:32, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
I'm curious what notability does it assert. It won a league or two in a non notable league?? Mo ainm ~Talk 17:10, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
Hi Frank, Can you shed light on the deleting of the 3D Mini Me page. I'm a bit new at Wikipedia, and was creating a reference equivalent to Funko on the subject of bubbleheads. It meets the criteria of Funko. Rgds —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pablobran ( talk • contribs) 17:35, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
JJBulten has a problem with all articles on longevity and supercentenarians, because the scientific consensus is that the maximum human life span is 122, and that contradicts his religious fundamentalist belief that Noah really did live to 950, because the Bible says so.
His self-described "bolding war" is merely an attempt to cause trouble. The bolded text was NOT in article text, but used for individual names in a list. There is no real issue here. Bolding was used as a visual aid to distinguish between the living and the deceased. While green background is also used, the bolding makes it easier to read through the green background. Ryoung122 20:37, 15 October 2010 (UTC)