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Yes it really is me. Sorry, nothing is wrong with my login, it's just that this account has a template that's not really intuitive to navigate with and I've been too lazy to figure out how to change it back. I'll make sure to keep logged in in the future. Thanks Windy City Dude 16:42, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
Hi Elonka, thanks for your message. Sadly, Bengal is not a country by itself, rather divided into two parts, the country of Bangladesh, and the Indian state of West Bengal.
Bengali people are an ethnic group who are the majority in the ethno-linguistic region of Bengal ... the common factor is the Bengali language spoken by them.
On the other hand, Bangladeshi is a nationality, used for citizens of Bangladesh. A person can be both Bengali and Bangladeshi, or Bengali or Indian, or a Chakma and Bangladeshi ... and so on.
In case of Fateh's father, he is definitely a Bangladeshi citizen of Bengali ethnicity. So, both the ethnic adjective Bengali and nationality adjective Bangladeshi applies to him. For Eenasul Fateh, the same thing might apply.
The Category:British Bengalis, on the other hand, includes people of Bengali descent, from both Bangladesh and West Bengal, who are British.
Thanks. -- Ragib 19:23, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
Hello! I was wondering, what do you think needs to be cleaned up in the T (disambiguation) article? I'd like to know what you think so that I can clean it up if needed. Thanks! -- ArglebargleIV 03:46, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
Hi Elonka. I'm glad to see that you still are smiling. Matt Casamassina is an article to which you have contributed (the last time was on 11/21/2006). A blast from the past, but the article needs some TLC. Matt appears to have addressed the Matt Casamassina Wikipedia article in his recent blog, here, where he writes
"When my brother called me the other day and told me that I even have a Wikipedia page that calls into question my Halo DS blog, I realized I had to at the very least prove that I hadn't completely hatched the entire thing."
Would you please review the situation and take the appropriate action. Thanks. -- Jreferee t/ c 13:56, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
Yes, it would have been more desirable if we had only linguistic and natural geographic classification of people, instead of nationalistic devisions. May be something along the the line of "Bengali-speaking people of the British Islands". But, that may be a bit far fetched in current social orders around the world. The Bangladeshi-origin population in Britain is not only a really large crowd, it also drws special attention of the home and foreign offices there. Much negotiations between Bangladesh and UK governments revolve around these people. Besides, Bengalis who come from India are already classified as British Indians. There is no reason why the same logic should not be applied to Bangladeshis as well. Not doing so would be as inadvisable as identifying an Urdu-speaking British only as such, blurring the difference between the Indian-born and the Pakistani-born people, or even identifying Mexican Americans as just Spanish-speaking people. Baroness Paula Manzila Uddin, the Brick Lane (both in reality and in the novel), Londonis from Sylhet are all Bangladeshi stuff, not merely Bengali. There is already a budding sub-South Asian genre of British Bangladeshi literature, and most Indians restaurants in the UK are owned and run by Bangladeshis. Bangladesh has been in existence for three hand a half decades, and the language may not be the only way of classification used in recognizing people from Bangladesh. Sorry to butt in uninvited. I hope you don't mind. Aditya( talk • contribs) 06:26, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
May I have your opinion of Sovereign Military Order of the Temple of Jerusalem? I have cleaned it up from what I felt was a long bunch of lists, but I think your knowledge of some of the details and dates might help. Personally I think they are kind of hoaky, and the implications at legit-ness are awfully thin. " Smile and they wont suspect a thing." Exit2DOS2000• T• C• 22:23, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
Hey, long time no chat! I'd love your input on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Soap Operas, Oh Wise One; I fear I'm looking like an a-hole in a new ratings discussion but don't know how else to put it. TAnthony 04:45, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
You see, your last comment at WP:SOAPS is a perfect example of why you ROCK. ;) -- TAnthony 18:46, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
Greetings, I have been keeping an eye on the Stanley Dunin article after its AfD, and from this dif you can see that the infomation about your father's aerospace engineer days has been removed. I noted in this autobiography that you verified these facts, but do you know of any other sources for this info? Fosnez 07:04, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
Ready to swab the deck! | ||
Another motley scallawag has joined the crew. Have a fantastic day. Arrrgh! - - Jehochman Talk 03:06, 12 October 2007 (UTC) |
You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Jacques de Molay. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions in a content dispute within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. PHG 09:35, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
A "revert" from half a month ago has little to nothing to do with a current 3RR accusation. I know this is none of my business, and I don't really care who's right or wrong, but nitpicking at reverts like this is just silly. Instead of doing that, shouldn't you be telling them to talk it out on the talk page, or to just stop it to both of them? -- Ned Scott 10:17, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
Hi Elonka. There's a redlink to Peasant's Revolt in the Knights templar article. Is it refering to English peasants' revolt of 1381? It's the obvious candidate, but I don't want to fix the link wrong.... J.Winklethorpe talk 21:31, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
Re: the impersonation account a couple weeks ago, the edits weren't actually oversighted, they were deleted. They are still viewable by administrators. In this case, you may want to pursue true oversight which removes the edits even from administrator view. See WP:OVERSIGHT and WP:RFO. — Wknight94 ( talk) 01:34, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
Hello! We are a group of editors working to improve the quality of Saudi Arabia related articles. You look like someone who might be interested in joining us in the Saudi Arabian WikiProject and so I thought I'd drop you a line and invite you! We'd love to have you in our project :-) And a special thanks for your extreme care about Mecca's articles A M M A R 19:37, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
Sorry it took me so long to reply. I have been absolutely swamped with work. I did figure out the template thing though, and I am still working on getting to JSTOR and trying to find some accurate maps. Thank you for the offer, however. Windy City Dude 02:56, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
Was that Knights Templar I saw on the front yesterday? Congrats. - Jehochman Talk 22:43, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
Please don't archive, and especially don't set up a bot; one reason I am behind is that I do want to keep some of these in active space. But I will get to it. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 05:52, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
Hey there, what's your take on this? — TAnthony Talk 15:08, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
Since you seem to claim something else, for your information, here are the books I personnaly own and have read in relation to the Mongol alliance topic. Regards. PHG 06:44, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
Hey Elonka, can I move your infobox to Template:Infobox EastEnders character 2 ? I was going to just go ahead and move it but I dont know what the procedure is. Is it just the same as moving a normal page? I want to start using it in some of the other character articles :) Gung adin ♦ 20:17, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
Hello Elonka, Did you know that the Larmenius Charter is a fake document? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larmenius_Charter Have you read the books by JM Roberts, Mythology of the Secret Societies and by Peter Partner, The Murdered Magicians: The Templars and their Myth?
Quoting from the Wikipedia article: "(the Larmenius Charter) resurfaced again in the Court of the Emperor Napoleon Bonaparte in 1804 by a Court doctor to Napoleon, Bernard Raymond Fabré-Palaprat." Do you know why the Larmenius Charter "resurfaced" again when it did, and why to of all people to Bernard Raymond Fabré-Palaprat? Wfgh66 19:16, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
1313-1324 John-Marc Larmenius
1324-1340 Thomas Theobald of Alexandria
1340-1349 Arnaud de Braque
1349-1357 Jean de Claremont
1357-1381 Bertrand du Guesclin
1381-1392 Bernard Arminiacus
1419-1451 Jean Arminiacus
1451-1472 Jean de Croy
1472-1478 Bernard Imbault
1478-1497 Robert Leononcourt
1497-1516 Galeatius de Salazar
1516-1544 Phillippe Chabot
1544-1574 Gaspard de Galtiaco Tavanensis
1574-1615 Henri de Montmorency
1615-1651 Charles de Valois
1651-1681 Jacques Ruxellius de Granceio
1681-1705 Jacques Henri Duc de Duras
1705-1724 Phillippe, Duc d'Orleans (time when alleged statutes written)
1724-1737 Louis Augustus Bourbon
1737-1741 Louis Henri Bourbon Conde
1741-1776 Louis-Francois Boubon Conti
1776-1792 Louis-Hercule Timoleon, Duc de Cosse Brissac (executed)
1792-1804 Claude-Mathieu Radix de Chavillon
1804-1838 Bernard Raymond Fabre Palaprat
Wfgh66 21:31, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
Something of interest to you, perhaps: Count Dunin-Wonsowicz. Needs first name, category, etc. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk 21:33, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
The Purple Star
So sorry for all you're getting hit by. -- AnonEMouse (squeak) 13:34, 24 October 2007 (UTC) |
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Hi Elonka. I'm a bit surprised by your stated opinion on Remember the dot's RfA. I don't mind the concerns with the image policy (since I actually share them) but the username concerns seem uncharacteristically shallow. In the past, you supported PulltoOpen and Sir Nicholas de Mimsy-Porpington whose names are certainly just as confusing (if not more). It's one thing to voice concerns about a username or a signature you find confusing but is this really worth withholding support for a potential admin who'd worked in a seriously understaffed area? Cheers, Pascal.Tesson 22:00, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
I was wondering when you were going to find/sink your "claws" into this article. I came across it and cleaned it up/expanded it awhile ago when I was having fun with the Random Article button, and realized later that it was kind of in your area of interest. (I'm particularly proud of the work I did on it because it's one of the few articles that I really built from the ground up based entirely on a foreign language source.) From what little I learned about it while reading the one source I had found, it seems to have an interesting story. I'm glad that you have/found more sources. LaMenta3 22:19, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
Thank you for participating in my RfA. As you may be aware, it was closed as "no consensus". Since your vote was one of the reasons why it did not succeed, I would like to personally address your concerns so that I can reapply successfully. Your primary concern appeared to be "I'm just not comfortable with choice of name", but looking at the discussion above, I see that you also had "other concerns". Could you please elaborate, so that I can work with you to resolve these concerns? — Remember the dot ( talk) 01:14, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
Nice to see that you seem to have snapped out of believing in the Rennes-le-Chateau/Priory of Sion Myths!
wfgh66 —Preceding unsigned comment added by wfgh66 ( talk • contribs) 23 October 2007
As a courtesy, I am notifying you that:
An article that you have been involved in editing, Rodryg Dunin, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rodryg Dunin (3rd Nomination). Thank you.
The admins informed me I needed jump through hoops to get the information from the PBD; now the article is either almost entirely from the offline PBD or isn't there at all. Mindraker 11:45, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
Taken care of.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk 19:29, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
Note the palace, according to pl wiki it is being renovated by the owner. Which would be...? -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk 19:29, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
You have correctly tagged the article for cleanup and placed a prominent reminder on the talk page as talk page discipline has been poor there. There has been no improvement in 2 weeks, so I added a reminder to the talk page, particularly to the main contributor Paul McGowan some of whose comments are a little inappropriate e.g. "...debasing the cr*p" and and who I think caused by User:Jehochman to tag the article for WP:COI? There has been no response. What would you suggest now? -- Sannhet 16:48, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
Hi, Elonka. I just wanted to drop you a note to clarify that, although I'm against the idea of having an issue running simultaneously on two different fora and concerned about failings in the dispute resolution process on Wiki (among other things), I recognize that your actions have been a sincere, good faith effort to address issues. My concern is not with your action, but reform of the overall process. [2] Best regards, SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 15:08, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
The date of Kaykhusraw’s accession provided in the Cambridge Illustrated History of the Middle Ages is incorrect. The coins of Kayqubad end and those of Kaykhusraw begin in AH 634 (AD 1236-1237). See Mehmet Eti’s fine site on Anatolian Coins. cf. Claude Cahen, Pre-Ottoman Turkey: A general survey of the material and spiritual culture and history c. 1071-1330 (Taplinger, New York), 133; H. Crane, "Notes on Saldjuq Architectural Patronage in Thirteenth Century Anatolia," Journal of the Economic and Social History of the Orient (v. 36, no. 1, 1993), 38; Répertoire chronologique d'épigraphie arabe 4148. There is ample numismatic and epigraphical evidence to support AH 634-AD 1237. There is no controversy about Kaykhusraw's accession date.
Perhaps you as the more experienced editor can comment on sources. For many of the articles on the Sultans of Rum, I have used Cahen almost exclusively to start the article. I figured it was better to have information from one source than no information at all. I have not put a reference for every statement but cited Cahen as the source at the bottom of the article in the style of most print-media encyclopedias. Which particular statements require specific citation in the article Kaykhusraw II? Aramgar 18:46, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
Tariqabjotu, hi, I don't mean to be a pest, and I do understand that off-wiki activities can take priority. But I did want to point out that you haven't been in the mediation at Wikipedia talk:Requests for mediation/Franco-Mongol alliance since October 25. PHG and I are no closer to finding common ground than we were before mediation started, a month ago. We really need a mediator who's going to be in there at least a few times a week, otherwise I'm afraid that this is just going to be a fruitless endeavor. Do you think that you'll be able to mediate on a more frequent basis? Or if not, could you please suggest another mediator who might have more time? I'd really rather find a way through this dispute via mediation, rather than having to escalate through some other part of the DR process, but without a mediator to do the mediation, it is really limiting my options. :/ -- El on ka 16:59, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
Just seen your message. I'm probably going to be low on time this week but I might pop by. I'm no expert on the Crusades, although I know a little about Armenia. Cheers. -- Folantin 17:00, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
I hope you understand my reasoning on the censorship accusation. I've been a radical anti-censorship campaigner all my life, so such an accusation strikes me very viscerally, more so even than accusations of racism, sexism or homophobia. Thus, I felt that the bogus claim that anybody who calls for keeping to Wikipedia's standards is really a hypocritical censor of The Truth™, hiding their real agenda behind technicalities, was highly incivil. -- Orange Mike 14:47, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
Asides from copyediting issues (like hyphens where en dashes should be and a link to Hugues III), I don't see any major drawback to your revision of the Franco-Mongol alliance article. I should point out that I don't like "See also" sections because they are arbitrary and devoid of context. There were a few claims (such as that about Mongols having enemies and subjects but no allies, which I know to be true) which could use preemptive citations.
As to the larger issue of the article as it stands, I don't see a way to move forward at so long as the issue of whether there was an alliance remains foremost. First, let me tell you where I stand in a few brief and definitive statements:
In short, I think we can speak of the alliance as if it existed, always being clear to stress those times when negotiations failed to lead to its actualisation and those when, miraculously, they breifly did. I would, therefore, rewrite your lead. On the whole, however, your shorter article seems to be an improvement on the current one. I will probably do some work at thinning out some of the more needless content at the current article in the coming weeks in an attempt to make its progressive improvement and streamlinging more realisable, since the likelihood of your version being implemented in article space any time soon is nil.
Sorry if this message is rather long, but this whole "discussion" is over two months long. Now a question: given my examples above (all of which I could cite in a moment) in the context of near-annual negotiation and friendly diplomatic activity, do you not think that there was a Franco-Mongol alliance which was realised on at least four (albeit brief) occasions? That effective cooperation and actual concrete agreement being achieved through the ceaseless endeavours at least four times, the whole thing can be called the "Franco-Mongol alliance"? Flimsy perhaps, but I think it certainly easire to discuss the "Franco-Mongol alliance" than "the series of unsuccessfull attempts to establish a Franco-Mongol alliance"? Srnec 03:07, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
Bonjour Elonka, et merci pour ton gentil message. Je ne suis pas du tout "en colère" concernant l'article sur l'Alliance Franco-Mongole. Toutes les opinions sont bienvenues, mais je croie profondément aux principes "d'équilibre" et de NPOV défendus par Wikipedia. J'insiste non pas pour qu'un point de vue particulier soit représenté, mais au contraire pour qu'une position de compromis soit représentée ("An alliance, or attempts towards an alliance..."), ce qui est très différent et très Wikipédien. Ma proposition intègre déjà la tienne, alors que ta position est exclusive et unique ("Only attempts at an alliance"). Ce n'est vraiment pas très difficile, et je sais que "la loi Wikipédienne" est de mon coté sur ce point ("According to Jimmy Wales, NPOV is absolute and non-negotiable" [3]). Je respecte tes contributions si elles sont correctement citées et sourcées... and I expect you to to do the same with mine. Ce n'est pas un combat d'un POV contre un autre, mais juste une question d'intégrer différents POVs académiques autour d'un sujet donné. Meilleures salutations. PHG 12:20, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
Reaching out to WKnight94 was very smart Elonka. He is a very respected editor with gravitas and he has taken you to the mat in the past. If PHG resists his suggestions, PHG will need to stand down on this issue. 72.110.123.177 01:46, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
Calling someone out for being in an edit war is a fairly silly endeavor. Seems like that kind of activity would require more than one actor... —Preceding unsigned comment added by IntelligentVoter ( talk • contribs) 19:39, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
Dear Elonka: Neither of you are budging on the Mongol-alliance issue. Even if you concede that you "may" have gotten a little carried away, it will make this issue go a lot more easily. Mindraker 13:46, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
I'm afraid that I simply am not qualified enough on this subject. I know absolutely diddle squat about Mongolian history. I will agree, however, that the web has rather slim pickings on the Franco-Mongol alliance subject. It does seem like an "alliance" of sorts existed, although I can't vouch for the nature of the alliance -- whether the two entities would fight to the death for each other, or merely shaking hands as a formality, or a trade alliance, etc. Mindraker 21:20, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
Hello! I would really appreciate your opinion here. Could you please check the site indicated in this link and give your opinion about its reliability. It's very important to me. Best regards, Shahid • Talk2me 00:19, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
The Tireless Contributor Barnstar | ||
It is my pleasure to award Elonka, this Barnstar of Diligence in recognition of all her hard work in raising Franco-Mongol alliance(hope it will soon overcome the dispute) Avinesh Jose 05:22, 14 November 2007 (UTC) |
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Yes it really is me. Sorry, nothing is wrong with my login, it's just that this account has a template that's not really intuitive to navigate with and I've been too lazy to figure out how to change it back. I'll make sure to keep logged in in the future. Thanks Windy City Dude 16:42, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
Hi Elonka, thanks for your message. Sadly, Bengal is not a country by itself, rather divided into two parts, the country of Bangladesh, and the Indian state of West Bengal.
Bengali people are an ethnic group who are the majority in the ethno-linguistic region of Bengal ... the common factor is the Bengali language spoken by them.
On the other hand, Bangladeshi is a nationality, used for citizens of Bangladesh. A person can be both Bengali and Bangladeshi, or Bengali or Indian, or a Chakma and Bangladeshi ... and so on.
In case of Fateh's father, he is definitely a Bangladeshi citizen of Bengali ethnicity. So, both the ethnic adjective Bengali and nationality adjective Bangladeshi applies to him. For Eenasul Fateh, the same thing might apply.
The Category:British Bengalis, on the other hand, includes people of Bengali descent, from both Bangladesh and West Bengal, who are British.
Thanks. -- Ragib 19:23, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
Hello! I was wondering, what do you think needs to be cleaned up in the T (disambiguation) article? I'd like to know what you think so that I can clean it up if needed. Thanks! -- ArglebargleIV 03:46, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
Hi Elonka. I'm glad to see that you still are smiling. Matt Casamassina is an article to which you have contributed (the last time was on 11/21/2006). A blast from the past, but the article needs some TLC. Matt appears to have addressed the Matt Casamassina Wikipedia article in his recent blog, here, where he writes
"When my brother called me the other day and told me that I even have a Wikipedia page that calls into question my Halo DS blog, I realized I had to at the very least prove that I hadn't completely hatched the entire thing."
Would you please review the situation and take the appropriate action. Thanks. -- Jreferee t/ c 13:56, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
Yes, it would have been more desirable if we had only linguistic and natural geographic classification of people, instead of nationalistic devisions. May be something along the the line of "Bengali-speaking people of the British Islands". But, that may be a bit far fetched in current social orders around the world. The Bangladeshi-origin population in Britain is not only a really large crowd, it also drws special attention of the home and foreign offices there. Much negotiations between Bangladesh and UK governments revolve around these people. Besides, Bengalis who come from India are already classified as British Indians. There is no reason why the same logic should not be applied to Bangladeshis as well. Not doing so would be as inadvisable as identifying an Urdu-speaking British only as such, blurring the difference between the Indian-born and the Pakistani-born people, or even identifying Mexican Americans as just Spanish-speaking people. Baroness Paula Manzila Uddin, the Brick Lane (both in reality and in the novel), Londonis from Sylhet are all Bangladeshi stuff, not merely Bengali. There is already a budding sub-South Asian genre of British Bangladeshi literature, and most Indians restaurants in the UK are owned and run by Bangladeshis. Bangladesh has been in existence for three hand a half decades, and the language may not be the only way of classification used in recognizing people from Bangladesh. Sorry to butt in uninvited. I hope you don't mind. Aditya( talk • contribs) 06:26, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
May I have your opinion of Sovereign Military Order of the Temple of Jerusalem? I have cleaned it up from what I felt was a long bunch of lists, but I think your knowledge of some of the details and dates might help. Personally I think they are kind of hoaky, and the implications at legit-ness are awfully thin. " Smile and they wont suspect a thing." Exit2DOS2000• T• C• 22:23, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
Hey, long time no chat! I'd love your input on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Soap Operas, Oh Wise One; I fear I'm looking like an a-hole in a new ratings discussion but don't know how else to put it. TAnthony 04:45, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
You see, your last comment at WP:SOAPS is a perfect example of why you ROCK. ;) -- TAnthony 18:46, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
Greetings, I have been keeping an eye on the Stanley Dunin article after its AfD, and from this dif you can see that the infomation about your father's aerospace engineer days has been removed. I noted in this autobiography that you verified these facts, but do you know of any other sources for this info? Fosnez 07:04, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
Ready to swab the deck! | ||
Another motley scallawag has joined the crew. Have a fantastic day. Arrrgh! - - Jehochman Talk 03:06, 12 October 2007 (UTC) |
You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Jacques de Molay. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions in a content dispute within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. PHG 09:35, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
A "revert" from half a month ago has little to nothing to do with a current 3RR accusation. I know this is none of my business, and I don't really care who's right or wrong, but nitpicking at reverts like this is just silly. Instead of doing that, shouldn't you be telling them to talk it out on the talk page, or to just stop it to both of them? -- Ned Scott 10:17, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
Hi Elonka. There's a redlink to Peasant's Revolt in the Knights templar article. Is it refering to English peasants' revolt of 1381? It's the obvious candidate, but I don't want to fix the link wrong.... J.Winklethorpe talk 21:31, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
Re: the impersonation account a couple weeks ago, the edits weren't actually oversighted, they were deleted. They are still viewable by administrators. In this case, you may want to pursue true oversight which removes the edits even from administrator view. See WP:OVERSIGHT and WP:RFO. — Wknight94 ( talk) 01:34, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
Hello! We are a group of editors working to improve the quality of Saudi Arabia related articles. You look like someone who might be interested in joining us in the Saudi Arabian WikiProject and so I thought I'd drop you a line and invite you! We'd love to have you in our project :-) And a special thanks for your extreme care about Mecca's articles A M M A R 19:37, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
Sorry it took me so long to reply. I have been absolutely swamped with work. I did figure out the template thing though, and I am still working on getting to JSTOR and trying to find some accurate maps. Thank you for the offer, however. Windy City Dude 02:56, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
Was that Knights Templar I saw on the front yesterday? Congrats. - Jehochman Talk 22:43, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
Please don't archive, and especially don't set up a bot; one reason I am behind is that I do want to keep some of these in active space. But I will get to it. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 05:52, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
Hey there, what's your take on this? — TAnthony Talk 15:08, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
Since you seem to claim something else, for your information, here are the books I personnaly own and have read in relation to the Mongol alliance topic. Regards. PHG 06:44, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
Hey Elonka, can I move your infobox to Template:Infobox EastEnders character 2 ? I was going to just go ahead and move it but I dont know what the procedure is. Is it just the same as moving a normal page? I want to start using it in some of the other character articles :) Gung adin ♦ 20:17, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
Hello Elonka, Did you know that the Larmenius Charter is a fake document? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larmenius_Charter Have you read the books by JM Roberts, Mythology of the Secret Societies and by Peter Partner, The Murdered Magicians: The Templars and their Myth?
Quoting from the Wikipedia article: "(the Larmenius Charter) resurfaced again in the Court of the Emperor Napoleon Bonaparte in 1804 by a Court doctor to Napoleon, Bernard Raymond Fabré-Palaprat." Do you know why the Larmenius Charter "resurfaced" again when it did, and why to of all people to Bernard Raymond Fabré-Palaprat? Wfgh66 19:16, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
1313-1324 John-Marc Larmenius
1324-1340 Thomas Theobald of Alexandria
1340-1349 Arnaud de Braque
1349-1357 Jean de Claremont
1357-1381 Bertrand du Guesclin
1381-1392 Bernard Arminiacus
1419-1451 Jean Arminiacus
1451-1472 Jean de Croy
1472-1478 Bernard Imbault
1478-1497 Robert Leononcourt
1497-1516 Galeatius de Salazar
1516-1544 Phillippe Chabot
1544-1574 Gaspard de Galtiaco Tavanensis
1574-1615 Henri de Montmorency
1615-1651 Charles de Valois
1651-1681 Jacques Ruxellius de Granceio
1681-1705 Jacques Henri Duc de Duras
1705-1724 Phillippe, Duc d'Orleans (time when alleged statutes written)
1724-1737 Louis Augustus Bourbon
1737-1741 Louis Henri Bourbon Conde
1741-1776 Louis-Francois Boubon Conti
1776-1792 Louis-Hercule Timoleon, Duc de Cosse Brissac (executed)
1792-1804 Claude-Mathieu Radix de Chavillon
1804-1838 Bernard Raymond Fabre Palaprat
Wfgh66 21:31, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
Something of interest to you, perhaps: Count Dunin-Wonsowicz. Needs first name, category, etc. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk 21:33, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
The Purple Star
So sorry for all you're getting hit by. -- AnonEMouse (squeak) 13:34, 24 October 2007 (UTC) |
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Hi Elonka. I'm a bit surprised by your stated opinion on Remember the dot's RfA. I don't mind the concerns with the image policy (since I actually share them) but the username concerns seem uncharacteristically shallow. In the past, you supported PulltoOpen and Sir Nicholas de Mimsy-Porpington whose names are certainly just as confusing (if not more). It's one thing to voice concerns about a username or a signature you find confusing but is this really worth withholding support for a potential admin who'd worked in a seriously understaffed area? Cheers, Pascal.Tesson 22:00, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
I was wondering when you were going to find/sink your "claws" into this article. I came across it and cleaned it up/expanded it awhile ago when I was having fun with the Random Article button, and realized later that it was kind of in your area of interest. (I'm particularly proud of the work I did on it because it's one of the few articles that I really built from the ground up based entirely on a foreign language source.) From what little I learned about it while reading the one source I had found, it seems to have an interesting story. I'm glad that you have/found more sources. LaMenta3 22:19, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
Thank you for participating in my RfA. As you may be aware, it was closed as "no consensus". Since your vote was one of the reasons why it did not succeed, I would like to personally address your concerns so that I can reapply successfully. Your primary concern appeared to be "I'm just not comfortable with choice of name", but looking at the discussion above, I see that you also had "other concerns". Could you please elaborate, so that I can work with you to resolve these concerns? — Remember the dot ( talk) 01:14, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
Nice to see that you seem to have snapped out of believing in the Rennes-le-Chateau/Priory of Sion Myths!
wfgh66 —Preceding unsigned comment added by wfgh66 ( talk • contribs) 23 October 2007
As a courtesy, I am notifying you that:
An article that you have been involved in editing, Rodryg Dunin, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rodryg Dunin (3rd Nomination). Thank you.
The admins informed me I needed jump through hoops to get the information from the PBD; now the article is either almost entirely from the offline PBD or isn't there at all. Mindraker 11:45, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
Taken care of.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk 19:29, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
Note the palace, according to pl wiki it is being renovated by the owner. Which would be...? -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk 19:29, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
You have correctly tagged the article for cleanup and placed a prominent reminder on the talk page as talk page discipline has been poor there. There has been no improvement in 2 weeks, so I added a reminder to the talk page, particularly to the main contributor Paul McGowan some of whose comments are a little inappropriate e.g. "...debasing the cr*p" and and who I think caused by User:Jehochman to tag the article for WP:COI? There has been no response. What would you suggest now? -- Sannhet 16:48, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
Hi, Elonka. I just wanted to drop you a note to clarify that, although I'm against the idea of having an issue running simultaneously on two different fora and concerned about failings in the dispute resolution process on Wiki (among other things), I recognize that your actions have been a sincere, good faith effort to address issues. My concern is not with your action, but reform of the overall process. [2] Best regards, SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 15:08, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
The date of Kaykhusraw’s accession provided in the Cambridge Illustrated History of the Middle Ages is incorrect. The coins of Kayqubad end and those of Kaykhusraw begin in AH 634 (AD 1236-1237). See Mehmet Eti’s fine site on Anatolian Coins. cf. Claude Cahen, Pre-Ottoman Turkey: A general survey of the material and spiritual culture and history c. 1071-1330 (Taplinger, New York), 133; H. Crane, "Notes on Saldjuq Architectural Patronage in Thirteenth Century Anatolia," Journal of the Economic and Social History of the Orient (v. 36, no. 1, 1993), 38; Répertoire chronologique d'épigraphie arabe 4148. There is ample numismatic and epigraphical evidence to support AH 634-AD 1237. There is no controversy about Kaykhusraw's accession date.
Perhaps you as the more experienced editor can comment on sources. For many of the articles on the Sultans of Rum, I have used Cahen almost exclusively to start the article. I figured it was better to have information from one source than no information at all. I have not put a reference for every statement but cited Cahen as the source at the bottom of the article in the style of most print-media encyclopedias. Which particular statements require specific citation in the article Kaykhusraw II? Aramgar 18:46, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
Tariqabjotu, hi, I don't mean to be a pest, and I do understand that off-wiki activities can take priority. But I did want to point out that you haven't been in the mediation at Wikipedia talk:Requests for mediation/Franco-Mongol alliance since October 25. PHG and I are no closer to finding common ground than we were before mediation started, a month ago. We really need a mediator who's going to be in there at least a few times a week, otherwise I'm afraid that this is just going to be a fruitless endeavor. Do you think that you'll be able to mediate on a more frequent basis? Or if not, could you please suggest another mediator who might have more time? I'd really rather find a way through this dispute via mediation, rather than having to escalate through some other part of the DR process, but without a mediator to do the mediation, it is really limiting my options. :/ -- El on ka 16:59, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
Just seen your message. I'm probably going to be low on time this week but I might pop by. I'm no expert on the Crusades, although I know a little about Armenia. Cheers. -- Folantin 17:00, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
I hope you understand my reasoning on the censorship accusation. I've been a radical anti-censorship campaigner all my life, so such an accusation strikes me very viscerally, more so even than accusations of racism, sexism or homophobia. Thus, I felt that the bogus claim that anybody who calls for keeping to Wikipedia's standards is really a hypocritical censor of The Truth™, hiding their real agenda behind technicalities, was highly incivil. -- Orange Mike 14:47, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
Asides from copyediting issues (like hyphens where en dashes should be and a link to Hugues III), I don't see any major drawback to your revision of the Franco-Mongol alliance article. I should point out that I don't like "See also" sections because they are arbitrary and devoid of context. There were a few claims (such as that about Mongols having enemies and subjects but no allies, which I know to be true) which could use preemptive citations.
As to the larger issue of the article as it stands, I don't see a way to move forward at so long as the issue of whether there was an alliance remains foremost. First, let me tell you where I stand in a few brief and definitive statements:
In short, I think we can speak of the alliance as if it existed, always being clear to stress those times when negotiations failed to lead to its actualisation and those when, miraculously, they breifly did. I would, therefore, rewrite your lead. On the whole, however, your shorter article seems to be an improvement on the current one. I will probably do some work at thinning out some of the more needless content at the current article in the coming weeks in an attempt to make its progressive improvement and streamlinging more realisable, since the likelihood of your version being implemented in article space any time soon is nil.
Sorry if this message is rather long, but this whole "discussion" is over two months long. Now a question: given my examples above (all of which I could cite in a moment) in the context of near-annual negotiation and friendly diplomatic activity, do you not think that there was a Franco-Mongol alliance which was realised on at least four (albeit brief) occasions? That effective cooperation and actual concrete agreement being achieved through the ceaseless endeavours at least four times, the whole thing can be called the "Franco-Mongol alliance"? Flimsy perhaps, but I think it certainly easire to discuss the "Franco-Mongol alliance" than "the series of unsuccessfull attempts to establish a Franco-Mongol alliance"? Srnec 03:07, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
Bonjour Elonka, et merci pour ton gentil message. Je ne suis pas du tout "en colère" concernant l'article sur l'Alliance Franco-Mongole. Toutes les opinions sont bienvenues, mais je croie profondément aux principes "d'équilibre" et de NPOV défendus par Wikipedia. J'insiste non pas pour qu'un point de vue particulier soit représenté, mais au contraire pour qu'une position de compromis soit représentée ("An alliance, or attempts towards an alliance..."), ce qui est très différent et très Wikipédien. Ma proposition intègre déjà la tienne, alors que ta position est exclusive et unique ("Only attempts at an alliance"). Ce n'est vraiment pas très difficile, et je sais que "la loi Wikipédienne" est de mon coté sur ce point ("According to Jimmy Wales, NPOV is absolute and non-negotiable" [3]). Je respecte tes contributions si elles sont correctement citées et sourcées... and I expect you to to do the same with mine. Ce n'est pas un combat d'un POV contre un autre, mais juste une question d'intégrer différents POVs académiques autour d'un sujet donné. Meilleures salutations. PHG 12:20, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
Reaching out to WKnight94 was very smart Elonka. He is a very respected editor with gravitas and he has taken you to the mat in the past. If PHG resists his suggestions, PHG will need to stand down on this issue. 72.110.123.177 01:46, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
Calling someone out for being in an edit war is a fairly silly endeavor. Seems like that kind of activity would require more than one actor... —Preceding unsigned comment added by IntelligentVoter ( talk • contribs) 19:39, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
Dear Elonka: Neither of you are budging on the Mongol-alliance issue. Even if you concede that you "may" have gotten a little carried away, it will make this issue go a lot more easily. Mindraker 13:46, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
I'm afraid that I simply am not qualified enough on this subject. I know absolutely diddle squat about Mongolian history. I will agree, however, that the web has rather slim pickings on the Franco-Mongol alliance subject. It does seem like an "alliance" of sorts existed, although I can't vouch for the nature of the alliance -- whether the two entities would fight to the death for each other, or merely shaking hands as a formality, or a trade alliance, etc. Mindraker 21:20, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
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The Tireless Contributor Barnstar | ||
It is my pleasure to award Elonka, this Barnstar of Diligence in recognition of all her hard work in raising Franco-Mongol alliance(hope it will soon overcome the dispute) Avinesh Jose 05:22, 14 November 2007 (UTC) |