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Hi -- thanks. Dduff442 17:24, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
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Hi, I don't really mind if Dingzhin Zhao's views are included, but including a link to his university homepage in the middle of the article text simply looks like linkspam, possibly promoting this individual's work in general. You can add something like "according to University of Chicago sociologist Dingzhin Zhao" if you'd like to emphasize that he is affiliated with the U. of Chicago if this is the point. Alternatively, you might want to create a Wiki article on him (if he meets WP:Notability for academics) and Wikilink to it when including his work in other articles. Anti-Nationalist ( talk) 14:48, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Climatic Research Unit e-mail hacking incident. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24-hour period. Additionally, users who perform several reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. When in dispute with another editor you should first try to discuss controversial changes to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. Should that prove unsuccessful, you are encouraged to seek dispute resolution, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request page protection. Please stop the disruption, otherwise you may be blocked from editing. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 17:12, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
Undoing another person's edit is known as reverting - this is what you need to know. It doesn't have to be a return to the exact previous text. Note also that there is no such defence as "I was correct". That the quote is exact, and from a RS, is totally irrelevant. On whose authority do you issue this 'warning'? - no-one needs any authority to issue these warnings William M. Connolley ( talk) 18:53, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
WMC beat me to it, but:
Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Edit_warring#User:Dduff442_reported_by_User:William M._Connolley_.28Result:_.29 William M. Connolley ( talk) 19:02, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
I do not have time to go through the edit warring case although it looks like you are heading for a block. Maybe by me if I get time to give it proper consideration I don't like shooting from the hip. Anyway I don't think you are going to get much sympathy from the way you are editing. Please read WP:DNTTR ref the COI template. -- BozMo talk 20:53, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
Okay I admit I'm confused. Are you trying to say WMC is trying to 'hide' this information because he doesn't want people to know one of his rivals (WMC may object to the term and say that's giving too much weight to the CEI but let's not quibble over such details) is funded by the energy companies? And this is bad to WMC because? If anything it would seem WMC would want a entire paragraph dedicated to how bad the CEI is so people know to ignore them and other sceptics and instead only get information from Real Climate and other sources written by him and his collegues? It's just that while WMC has been accused of having a COI and wanting to keep details out of the article that reflect badly on the CRU and its researchers and their collegues (including him I guess) you're the first person I've seen complaining about WMC's COI and how he shouldn't be reverting contentious negative information about climate change sceptics because of it. You may argue he's 'overcorrecting' but I think you'll find few people on the talk page who agree with that. Of course having a COI can cloud your judgement and make you make mistakes either way, but I think it's a stretch to say there's any evidence of that happening here. And remember WP:COI makes it clear that while editors with a COI are discouraged from editing articles, they're explicitly not forbidden.
BTW, I'm guessing you're not aware but both User:William M. Connolley [4] and User:Arthur Rubin [5] are administrators. Ultimately this doesn't mean that much, but when you're telling an administrator "Call in the admins if you like -- bring it on. I'm not new, don't need guidance and know who'll win if this goes to the admins" there's a fair chance you will be wrong as you were in this case, particularly when 4 or so users have said you are and no one said you aren't. BTW I'm not saying any of this so try to make fun of you while you're down or something. I did get a bit annoyed earlier on and probably didn't help matters but have since calmed down and agree with WMC that you seem to be a user who is trying to be constructive but unfortunately has wolefully misunderstood or is unaware of policy and accepted practice but reluctant to accept that it is the case. While this block serves as an unfortunate reminder of that, I'm hoping that this more off the cuff remark with little reference to policy but more reference to common sense will help as well.
As it is your talk page, you are entitled as always to remove it if you don't like it and can reply here even while blocked (well unless you're disruptive on your talk page and get blocked from editing that). Nil Einne ( talk) 21:43, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
It is abundantly clear that your first two edits (including the only one I reverted) did not follow the source [6] [7]. The source says nothing about "Exxon Mobil and Ford" as I've pointed out several times and even if our article says that it is irrelevant as I've also said several times. You may be able to infer that "energy companies" includes Exxon Mobil but as I've said and you've acknowledged including Ford is rather a stretch. And in any cases, inferences like that clear modify WP:OR and perhaps the specific WP:Syn part of it if you try to use additional sources to support the Exxon Mobil claim. And none of this changes the fact that those two additions were clearly not a verbatim quote from the source, not even close.
As long as you continue to claim that your first two edits followed the Washington Post source I see nothing more to discuss and don't see much chance for any constructive editing from you in wikipedia. I have never intentionally claimed that any of your other edits did not reflect what the source said. In fact, I feel I did make it clear that I was not referring to the times your added the 'funded by energy companies' quote. And as I've also said, as you seem to be aware since you've brought it up in other discussions, I'm not going to bother to debate the 'funded by energy companies' bit (although just to be clear, that isn't because I agree with it but because I've decided I don't care enough to debate it).
And yes, to repeat what I've said, if you want to have any credibility on wikipedia, you need to acknowledge that your first two edits did not follow the Washington Post source (and be careful you don't imply they did) and that it was only the later edits that did.
If you are not and were never trying to claim your first edit follow the source, then I apologise for any confusion my mistake may have caused. As I've already said, I felt my message was abundantly clear that I was only referring to the times you added 'Exxon Mobile and Ford'. If you can clarify which part of my message you felt implied that any of your other edits did not follow the source, I'm willing to take another look at it and discuss it with other editors if I don't agree with your characterisation. If you don't understand why I feel you appeared to be claiming your first two edits were following the source I'm willing to further explain why although I feel that way although I do feel I already explained why in my original message.
Incidentally, once people revert your change with an explaination of why, it is automatically contentious, saying it isn't doesn't get you anywhere. If you are the only one pushing a change against multiple other people and keep pushing that change despite multiple people reverting you you will be blocked as happened in this case except in a very, very small number of circumstances (i.e. cases when you are removing BLP violating material). As other people have pointed out, and I hinted at, when you have several people who are usually in strong disagreement on an article against you, it's a very good idea to take a step back and consider what you're pushing carefully. (If you do want to continue to push it, then that entails discussion not continually adding it against reversions.) It doesn't matter how good your addition was or whether it was correct or wise and in many cases even those you may agree with your change are liable to revert it and are not going to feel any sympathy for you when you are blocked because it is a clear cut violation of WP:3RR regardless of whether you want it to be.
Nil Einne ( talk) 06:54, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
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It is only possible by the grossest distortions of natural justice to conclude that one half of a sentence may be reasonably quoted but the other half is somehow tendentious and must be excluded. Neither the source nor the information was disputed. The reverts were pure vandalism in this context and re-inserting the material was a valid response. How could I understand that the last six words of a sentence already quoted in the article would prove contentious? I had reason to believe consensus had been achieved after Nil Einne's objections had been dealt with. I've been accused of dishonesty, called a 'noob' etc. etc., without ever stooping to that level. When the allegation was disproven, the objectors simply shifted their focus on to new quibbles without apology or acknowledgement. Admin Beetstra warned me against further reverts nonetheless, and I adhered to the rules he stated. He went on to claim the quote (below) was not in the source. When this was refuted, he shifted his objections to WP:NPOV (in a verbatim quote from a source already in the article!), saying I wanted to weaken Ebell's statement. **It was an abuse of authority to intervene as an admin if he objected to the content and was therefore interested in the debate**, and this holds true regardless of the validity of any warning I received. Integrity demands openness in debate, not the illegitimate dressing up of objections to **content** as **administrative** matters. It would have been reasonable to present all objections together; it was not to object on admin grounds and then discover objections to the content later. The disputed statement reads [12]:"'It is clear that some of the 'world's leading climate scientists,' as they are always described, are more dedicated to promoting the alarmist political agenda than in scientific research,' said Ebell, whose group is funded in part by energy companies." It is alleged to be reasonable to quote the start of the sentence and to actively exclude the end. I deleted no content and reverted no content. What I did was to reinsert the last 6 words of the Post quote above in the face of blatant vandalism. I always debated directly and honestly. Please note both the technical objections to the ban made after William Connolloy's original request, that I was banned 2 hours *after* ceasing to edit, after leaving Connolloy's revert in place for that period, and after declaring my intention to lodge an RfC on the issue.
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You were clearly acting against policy after clear notification of the issues. This temporary block is rather short in duration, and could have been for longer. I advise you to step away from the keys and cool down before you start editing again, as the next time the block is likely to be for a much longer period. NJA (t/ c) 08:04, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
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The things that matters most in Wikipedia are a thick skin and a sense of humour. The next most important thing is a willingness to be contemplative. When people disagree with you, or revert your edits, it's always useful to ask yourself what it was that prompted them to do so.
People are going to disagree with you on content, even if they agree with you philosophically or politically. My first real conflict on Wikipedia - which got pretty nasty - was with an editor who has gone on to be both a valuable collaborator and a friend. It wasn't that we disagreed on substance - to be honest, I don't even remember what we disagreed about.
Some hints for doing well here:
Always look for the best source you can find. If people challenge your source, look for other sources. Not to beat them over the head (although that's necessary once in a while), but rather, to see what other sources say. We want the best represenation of what authoritative sources say. Reality is always a better friend than ideology anyway.
Sure, it seems like a good idea to point out that the CEI is an evil tool of the energy lobby. True as that might be, it isn't the sort of thing that we can say in an enecylopaedia article. So it might seem like the next best thing to make it clear who funds them. But think about how that looks to a reader. If you're a liberal, you can probably figure out who's who just from what they say. You don't need the extra hint. And if you aren't sure, you can click through and read the article for yourself. If you're a conservative, on the other hand, it just reinforces your preconception that Wikipedia is run by liberals. Makes you more likely to trust the source that's been "tarred" and less likely to acutally weigh the facts. For the vast middle, the people who are truly uninformed, the cue doesn't tell them anything. But it does tell (some of) them "someone it trying to manipulate my opinion".
Also bear in mind that Wikipedia is hypertext. People do click links.
Yes, there are lots of people who will jump to the defence of their friends. But for the most part, if several people tell you the same thing, you should strongly consider the possibility that they are right. If you run afoul of the rules, ask people to explain what you did wrong. And listen to their explanations. If you don't find that meshes with the way the policies and guidelines are written, then ask someone about it. Find a venue and ask the crowd at large.
Sorry if this sounds preachy. And no, I often don't get it right. But it's much more fun if you avoid unnecessary conflict. Guettarda ( talk) 18:06, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
You have been making a number of demands and accusations on User talk:William M. Connolley, none of which have any noticeable bearing on any of his activities or actions here. You violated 3RR, he reported you, and you were blocked. If you do not wish to receive another block for harassment, I suggest you cease pestering him about your ill-founded view that you have been mistreated. KillerChihuahua ?!? Advice 18:29, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
Be done. KillerChihuahua ?!? Advice 19:57, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
Generally, you may want to read some of my work before you make further edits.
My objections to the Copenhagen Consensus 2009 are laid at in the introduction to my report for them. Richard Tol ( talk) 22:00, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
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Hi -- thanks. Dduff442 17:24, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
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Skier Dude ( talk) 17:44, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
Hi, I don't really mind if Dingzhin Zhao's views are included, but including a link to his university homepage in the middle of the article text simply looks like linkspam, possibly promoting this individual's work in general. You can add something like "according to University of Chicago sociologist Dingzhin Zhao" if you'd like to emphasize that he is affiliated with the U. of Chicago if this is the point. Alternatively, you might want to create a Wiki article on him (if he meets WP:Notability for academics) and Wikilink to it when including his work in other articles. Anti-Nationalist ( talk) 14:48, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Climatic Research Unit e-mail hacking incident. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24-hour period. Additionally, users who perform several reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. When in dispute with another editor you should first try to discuss controversial changes to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. Should that prove unsuccessful, you are encouraged to seek dispute resolution, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request page protection. Please stop the disruption, otherwise you may be blocked from editing. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 17:12, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
Undoing another person's edit is known as reverting - this is what you need to know. It doesn't have to be a return to the exact previous text. Note also that there is no such defence as "I was correct". That the quote is exact, and from a RS, is totally irrelevant. On whose authority do you issue this 'warning'? - no-one needs any authority to issue these warnings William M. Connolley ( talk) 18:53, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
WMC beat me to it, but:
Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Edit_warring#User:Dduff442_reported_by_User:William M._Connolley_.28Result:_.29 William M. Connolley ( talk) 19:02, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
I do not have time to go through the edit warring case although it looks like you are heading for a block. Maybe by me if I get time to give it proper consideration I don't like shooting from the hip. Anyway I don't think you are going to get much sympathy from the way you are editing. Please read WP:DNTTR ref the COI template. -- BozMo talk 20:53, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
Okay I admit I'm confused. Are you trying to say WMC is trying to 'hide' this information because he doesn't want people to know one of his rivals (WMC may object to the term and say that's giving too much weight to the CEI but let's not quibble over such details) is funded by the energy companies? And this is bad to WMC because? If anything it would seem WMC would want a entire paragraph dedicated to how bad the CEI is so people know to ignore them and other sceptics and instead only get information from Real Climate and other sources written by him and his collegues? It's just that while WMC has been accused of having a COI and wanting to keep details out of the article that reflect badly on the CRU and its researchers and their collegues (including him I guess) you're the first person I've seen complaining about WMC's COI and how he shouldn't be reverting contentious negative information about climate change sceptics because of it. You may argue he's 'overcorrecting' but I think you'll find few people on the talk page who agree with that. Of course having a COI can cloud your judgement and make you make mistakes either way, but I think it's a stretch to say there's any evidence of that happening here. And remember WP:COI makes it clear that while editors with a COI are discouraged from editing articles, they're explicitly not forbidden.
BTW, I'm guessing you're not aware but both User:William M. Connolley [4] and User:Arthur Rubin [5] are administrators. Ultimately this doesn't mean that much, but when you're telling an administrator "Call in the admins if you like -- bring it on. I'm not new, don't need guidance and know who'll win if this goes to the admins" there's a fair chance you will be wrong as you were in this case, particularly when 4 or so users have said you are and no one said you aren't. BTW I'm not saying any of this so try to make fun of you while you're down or something. I did get a bit annoyed earlier on and probably didn't help matters but have since calmed down and agree with WMC that you seem to be a user who is trying to be constructive but unfortunately has wolefully misunderstood or is unaware of policy and accepted practice but reluctant to accept that it is the case. While this block serves as an unfortunate reminder of that, I'm hoping that this more off the cuff remark with little reference to policy but more reference to common sense will help as well.
As it is your talk page, you are entitled as always to remove it if you don't like it and can reply here even while blocked (well unless you're disruptive on your talk page and get blocked from editing that). Nil Einne ( talk) 21:43, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
It is abundantly clear that your first two edits (including the only one I reverted) did not follow the source [6] [7]. The source says nothing about "Exxon Mobil and Ford" as I've pointed out several times and even if our article says that it is irrelevant as I've also said several times. You may be able to infer that "energy companies" includes Exxon Mobil but as I've said and you've acknowledged including Ford is rather a stretch. And in any cases, inferences like that clear modify WP:OR and perhaps the specific WP:Syn part of it if you try to use additional sources to support the Exxon Mobil claim. And none of this changes the fact that those two additions were clearly not a verbatim quote from the source, not even close.
As long as you continue to claim that your first two edits followed the Washington Post source I see nothing more to discuss and don't see much chance for any constructive editing from you in wikipedia. I have never intentionally claimed that any of your other edits did not reflect what the source said. In fact, I feel I did make it clear that I was not referring to the times your added the 'funded by energy companies' quote. And as I've also said, as you seem to be aware since you've brought it up in other discussions, I'm not going to bother to debate the 'funded by energy companies' bit (although just to be clear, that isn't because I agree with it but because I've decided I don't care enough to debate it).
And yes, to repeat what I've said, if you want to have any credibility on wikipedia, you need to acknowledge that your first two edits did not follow the Washington Post source (and be careful you don't imply they did) and that it was only the later edits that did.
If you are not and were never trying to claim your first edit follow the source, then I apologise for any confusion my mistake may have caused. As I've already said, I felt my message was abundantly clear that I was only referring to the times you added 'Exxon Mobile and Ford'. If you can clarify which part of my message you felt implied that any of your other edits did not follow the source, I'm willing to take another look at it and discuss it with other editors if I don't agree with your characterisation. If you don't understand why I feel you appeared to be claiming your first two edits were following the source I'm willing to further explain why although I feel that way although I do feel I already explained why in my original message.
Incidentally, once people revert your change with an explaination of why, it is automatically contentious, saying it isn't doesn't get you anywhere. If you are the only one pushing a change against multiple other people and keep pushing that change despite multiple people reverting you you will be blocked as happened in this case except in a very, very small number of circumstances (i.e. cases when you are removing BLP violating material). As other people have pointed out, and I hinted at, when you have several people who are usually in strong disagreement on an article against you, it's a very good idea to take a step back and consider what you're pushing carefully. (If you do want to continue to push it, then that entails discussion not continually adding it against reversions.) It doesn't matter how good your addition was or whether it was correct or wise and in many cases even those you may agree with your change are liable to revert it and are not going to feel any sympathy for you when you are blocked because it is a clear cut violation of WP:3RR regardless of whether you want it to be.
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Request reason:
It is only possible by the grossest distortions of natural justice to conclude that one half of a sentence may be reasonably quoted but the other half is somehow tendentious and must be excluded. Neither the source nor the information was disputed. The reverts were pure vandalism in this context and re-inserting the material was a valid response. How could I understand that the last six words of a sentence already quoted in the article would prove contentious? I had reason to believe consensus had been achieved after Nil Einne's objections had been dealt with. I've been accused of dishonesty, called a 'noob' etc. etc., without ever stooping to that level. When the allegation was disproven, the objectors simply shifted their focus on to new quibbles without apology or acknowledgement. Admin Beetstra warned me against further reverts nonetheless, and I adhered to the rules he stated. He went on to claim the quote (below) was not in the source. When this was refuted, he shifted his objections to WP:NPOV (in a verbatim quote from a source already in the article!), saying I wanted to weaken Ebell's statement. **It was an abuse of authority to intervene as an admin if he objected to the content and was therefore interested in the debate**, and this holds true regardless of the validity of any warning I received. Integrity demands openness in debate, not the illegitimate dressing up of objections to **content** as **administrative** matters. It would have been reasonable to present all objections together; it was not to object on admin grounds and then discover objections to the content later. The disputed statement reads [12]:"'It is clear that some of the 'world's leading climate scientists,' as they are always described, are more dedicated to promoting the alarmist political agenda than in scientific research,' said Ebell, whose group is funded in part by energy companies." It is alleged to be reasonable to quote the start of the sentence and to actively exclude the end. I deleted no content and reverted no content. What I did was to reinsert the last 6 words of the Post quote above in the face of blatant vandalism. I always debated directly and honestly. Please note both the technical objections to the ban made after William Connolloy's original request, that I was banned 2 hours *after* ceasing to edit, after leaving Connolloy's revert in place for that period, and after declaring my intention to lodge an RfC on the issue.
Decline reason:
You were clearly acting against policy after clear notification of the issues. This temporary block is rather short in duration, and could have been for longer. I advise you to step away from the keys and cool down before you start editing again, as the next time the block is likely to be for a much longer period. NJA (t/ c) 08:04, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
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The things that matters most in Wikipedia are a thick skin and a sense of humour. The next most important thing is a willingness to be contemplative. When people disagree with you, or revert your edits, it's always useful to ask yourself what it was that prompted them to do so.
People are going to disagree with you on content, even if they agree with you philosophically or politically. My first real conflict on Wikipedia - which got pretty nasty - was with an editor who has gone on to be both a valuable collaborator and a friend. It wasn't that we disagreed on substance - to be honest, I don't even remember what we disagreed about.
Some hints for doing well here:
Always look for the best source you can find. If people challenge your source, look for other sources. Not to beat them over the head (although that's necessary once in a while), but rather, to see what other sources say. We want the best represenation of what authoritative sources say. Reality is always a better friend than ideology anyway.
Sure, it seems like a good idea to point out that the CEI is an evil tool of the energy lobby. True as that might be, it isn't the sort of thing that we can say in an enecylopaedia article. So it might seem like the next best thing to make it clear who funds them. But think about how that looks to a reader. If you're a liberal, you can probably figure out who's who just from what they say. You don't need the extra hint. And if you aren't sure, you can click through and read the article for yourself. If you're a conservative, on the other hand, it just reinforces your preconception that Wikipedia is run by liberals. Makes you more likely to trust the source that's been "tarred" and less likely to acutally weigh the facts. For the vast middle, the people who are truly uninformed, the cue doesn't tell them anything. But it does tell (some of) them "someone it trying to manipulate my opinion".
Also bear in mind that Wikipedia is hypertext. People do click links.
Yes, there are lots of people who will jump to the defence of their friends. But for the most part, if several people tell you the same thing, you should strongly consider the possibility that they are right. If you run afoul of the rules, ask people to explain what you did wrong. And listen to their explanations. If you don't find that meshes with the way the policies and guidelines are written, then ask someone about it. Find a venue and ask the crowd at large.
Sorry if this sounds preachy. And no, I often don't get it right. But it's much more fun if you avoid unnecessary conflict. Guettarda ( talk) 18:06, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
You have been making a number of demands and accusations on User talk:William M. Connolley, none of which have any noticeable bearing on any of his activities or actions here. You violated 3RR, he reported you, and you were blocked. If you do not wish to receive another block for harassment, I suggest you cease pestering him about your ill-founded view that you have been mistreated. KillerChihuahua ?!? Advice 18:29, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
Be done. KillerChihuahua ?!? Advice 19:57, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
Generally, you may want to read some of my work before you make further edits.
My objections to the Copenhagen Consensus 2009 are laid at in the introduction to my report for them. Richard Tol ( talk) 22:00, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
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