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Thanks very much. I haven't worked at Wikiquote for a few years now, but I imagine some of the pages I made there must be obscure enough to have remained untouched. It's easy to imagine they're unread as well, so your words are very reassuring. -- Antiquary ( talk) 11:44, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
Hi, I just wanted to acknowledge a comment that you made yesterday on a talk page, which I don't think I can respond to in situ because of the risk of inflaming matters. I agree with you that apologizing to bullies seems quite wrong, but in this strange world where we know so little about what possibly horrible things may be happening in an editor's real world, it seems necessary to shrug off a lot more bad behaviour. Perhaps that will in this case even lead to an apology to the perpetrator (I'm glad I'm not directly in the line of fire and having to decide whether to do that!). Anyway, best wishes to you. I'm taking a longish break from editing to recover from witnessing that distressing business, but didn't want to leave you with no response from anyone. Sminthopsis84 ( talk) 20:28, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
I apologize to you, per your at least three separate requests. :)
Admittedly I was clued in to this discrepancy by a comment from Beyond My Ken ( talk · contribs), and upon further investigation found similarities in behavioral patterns between Kalki ( talk · contribs) and DanielTom ( talk · contribs), including:
The Checkusers have since looked into this and they have said this appears to be an unfounded concern. I am sorry you were bothered by this. Cheers, — Cirt ( talk) 02:21, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
Now that you have chosen to further WP:DISRUPT the AN discussion by including inappropriate hidden text that serves only to denigrate the previous poster's position, I provide this: please do not post any further in any threads related User:TheShadowCrow. Such posts may lead to a block for disruption ( ✉→ BWilkins ←✎) 12:22, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
Here's a great Malleus quote:
"Personal attack" is simply a euphemism for anything that someone with more guns than you have takes exception to. Malleus Fatuorum 02:38, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
Thank you for your support. -- TheShadowCrow ( talk) 00:11, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
You're quite clearly tracking my edits and making snarky comments where they most certainly do not belong. If you have an issue with my edits/actions, raise them at ANI in a case of their own, or perhaps an RFC. When I am one of two editors who are actually trying to SAVE another editor who has gotten themself into trouble, your snark on their talkpage (which is clearly wrong, by the way) is merely lighting a match to a situation. I will also introduce you to WP:HARASS, which as you can see is exactly what I am not doing when it comes to User:Gregbard. I am and adult, and would expect you to act like one as well on this project ( ✉→ BWilkins ←✎) 10:55, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
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Thanks for your support of my RfA. It didn't succeed this time, but that's no reason not to have some nice pierogi. Cheers, -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 14:21, 3 May 2013 (UTC)|} |
I'd like to apologize personally, not just on ANI. I should not have overreacted like that and I most certainly should not have made general judgments about you based on a single incident. I thought you made a mistake back then, but we all make mistakes and that is no reason for others to make comments about us as persons. My comment was completely out of line, and I appreciate your measured and level-headed response to it. Once again, my sincerest apologies. Jeppiz ( talk) 14:26, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
Daniel, though Jeppiz is responsible for his own statements on the Pedia, I don't totally blame him. (Why? His statements came in a thread on Bwilkins's Talk, and Bwilkins had already set a tone by making charges against your honesty and ethics per this statement: "if you want to point out somewhere that he's actually been honest (diffs would be nice) or even remotely ethical, I'd love to see it". It is easy mistake to make, following the civility standard set by an Admin, because they are the "authority" above regular editors. But it's a fallacy. Their conducts are often reverse of the advertised "higher standard", they get away with lower "because they are Admins" and the strong Admin corps credo to not challenge another Admin except in the most dire situations. A fallacy easy to slip and fall on. We tend to implicitly trust Admins. Then we start thinking and wake up. IMO, so did Jeppiz. Good for him.) Ihardlythinkso ( talk) 14:53, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
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The Flaming Wiki Award... for Wikipedians who've been through wiki-hell. Strangesad ( talk) 20:22, 5 May 2013 (UTC) |
The reason I hat stuff like that isn't to protect Bwilkins, it is solely to keep the discussion singularly focused on the original case. What often happens is that people get into tangential discussions about someone else, and the whole thread gets too large or confusing to be fair to the original party(s). If you have an issue with Bwilkins actions, it isn't related to the edits that happened on Amiram Goldblum, which is the sole reason for that report. You should take it to his talk page first, and if you think he isn't addressing it properly, you can file a separate ANI report on it, where the discussion should be solely about that issue and things directly relative to it. If we don't compartmentalize stuff, the whole page becomes one meandering thread of incomprehensible subthreads. To be fair to the parties who are at risk of sanction at ANI, it is better to keep the discussion focused on the merits of that report only. The hatting isn't a comment on Bwilkins behavior or you taking exception to it, it is solely a clerking function of keeping the visible discussion on the actual case at hand. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 12:10, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
Let me ask you, Bwilkins: Do you, like Basalisk, believe there's an important difference, regarding whether something is a personal attack or not, if you can identify in the grammar an "action word" (or not)? (Because that is what you seem to be suggesting, but I don't know for sure, other than you are trying to belittle me or insult me. So make yourself clear now, if you wanna talk logic with me.) Ihardlythinkso ( talk) 16:11, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
Yes, I know the system is corrupt. Dennis even admiteed justice doesn't exist here. But it's either AN or I can E-mail the community just to get a generic "no" two weeks later. I will probably give the appeal another try soon, maybe tomarrow. Just letting you know. -- TheShadowCrow ( talk) 22:42, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
I rather get the impression that you have something against admins and admin candidates. Perhaps you should get more experience before throwing your weight around here, and commenting at RfA. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 17:11, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
Actual, my position isn't a shift. [3] I've always maintained this attitude, even before becoming an admin. See Q12 Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Dennis Brown, although that was about if I would surrender the bit if one person requested it. I authored Request for Admin Sanctions in July 2012 just after becoming an admin, a policy proposal to make desysoping possible by a simple consensus of editors at WP:AN. It was my second major initiative, after founding WP:WikiProject Editor Retention a month earlier. I was a major contributor at Wikipedia:Requests for Comment/Community de-adminship proof of concept as well. Everyone already knows I support desysoping by community concensus, I've been very public (and loud) about it. You are welcome to start a discussion at WP:AN any time you think that a consensus would support desysoping me, and I would honor that in the spirit of the very proposed policy I authored. I'm stymied as to how you could think I'm against something that I have fought tooth and nail for. Dennis Brown - 2¢ - © - @ - Join WER 15:03, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
By restoring the nonsense on Onorem's page, you are in effect making the personal attack. See WP:TPNO and WP:TPO.
* Removing harmful posts, including personal attacks, trolling and vandalism. This generally does not extend to messages that are merely uncivil; deletions of simple invective are controversial. Posts that may be considered disruptive in various ways are another borderline case and are usually best left as-is or archived.
— WP:TPO
Toddst1 ( talk) 19:59, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
* Removing harmful posts, including personal attacks, trolling and vandalism. This generally does not extend to messages that are merely uncivil; deletions of simple invective are controversial. Posts that may be considered disruptive in various ways are another borderline case and are usually best left as-is or archived.
— WP:TPO
Any interpretation of this edit on the heels of this other than as a personal attack is just plain laughable and you know it. Your edits are seriously WP:POINTy now. Toddst1 ( talk) 20:44, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
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Drmies (
talk) 21:55, 23 May 2013 (UTC)Today I made this edit to the Bertrand Russell page. I would like to keep contributing to Wikipedia, but I need to be unblocked first. Could some nice admin please review Drmies's extremely abusive block? I do not even know how to reply to it, because the reason he gave ("harassment") is just ridiculously absurd. He claims that I "persistently referring to Todd's remarks as trolling", but I only did that in one comment. How does "persistently" apply? I really cannot understand it. Is asking that an editor stop trolling a "personal attack"? What about the other countless true personal attacks at this very talk page made against me, which were so much more serious? Further, it was Toddst1 who decided to come here, on my Talk page. How could I be "harassing" him if I have never had any previous interaction with him? Again, I do not understand it. Drmies, your abusive block was a very bad move here. I hope you are happy. ~ DanielTom ( talk) 22:21, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
For the record, Toddst1 blocked my Talk page access, claiming that I had made "Personal attacks or harassment", just because I said Drmies "needs to be desyopped". Could someone please inform Toddst1 of WP:INVOLVED? Thanks. ~ DanielTom ( talk) 22:36, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
Again, for the record, Basalisk also revoked my talk page access, without providing any valid reason, thus making it impossible for me to defend myself, or to edit any page on Wikipedia, including my own talk page. This degree of abuse is completely intolerable. ~ DanielTom ( talk) 14:03, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
In the meantime, while I was blocked, I sent the following email to Writ Keeper, an uninvolved Admin:
You may use this talk page to appeal this block but not to attack other editors. Continued misuse of this talk page will result in your inability to edit it. Toddst1 ( talk) 22:12, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
I have Daniel's talk page on my watchlist as a result of working with him on the Emily Brontë article. The impression I gained was of a very polite and extremely collaborative editor. That has continued to be the case in all my subsequent interactions with him. Watching recent postings here has been somewhat discomfiting. It is sometimes healthy for individuals who lack power in a relationship to be able to vent and express dissatisfactions, which Daniel seems to have been doing on his talk page. I have kept wondering why this is seen as so egregious. Having a deaf ear, a forgiving nature and a kindly word could, I think, be a more productive approach here. PaleCloudedWhite ( talk) 22:41, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
I've read the entire thread. It amazes me. First, Toddst1 naming DT's restoration of text on User:Onorem's Talk as "effectively making [a] personal attack [yourself]". IMO that is patently absurd.
Second, Drmies blocking, based on "Attempting to harass others". (Harassment is a serious and WP-defined thing. Are you sure about your definition and that DT's comments qualify, Drmies?!)
Third, DT gave opinion that Toddst1 was trolling, and Drmies asserted that such a statement was "blockable". (Really, Drmies?! Do you want me to give you a diff [or more] where Toddst1 describes other Admins as trolling, based on their disagreement with some of his past action[s]? [Please let me know and I'll research it. But let me know first about your consistency on the point.])
Fourth, Toddst1 removed DT's comment that Drmies "needs to be de-sysop'd" on the basis of it being a PA. (Really, Toddst1?! DT is not allowed to express that opinion?! DT is not allowed to have or express that opinion?!)
Fifth, Drmies, when asked to justify his block, gave these as rationale: "[DT's] tone, and comments". (OMG. We're blocking on interpreted tone, and someone making "comments" now?! How much totalitarian oppression of expression are we pursuing in the current WP culture, anyway!?)
Sixth, looking at the seconds (tick, tock, tick, tock) elapsed between measures taken against DT, ... it pauses one to think what is the rush, hurry, emergency. (None, of course. Which does suggest, hello, there is emotion raging here, and punatively directed at DT. There was no need to protect the Wiki from disruption, and even if I would grant there was some small disruption, which I don't grant, there certainly was no reason to pile-on with all the actions so quickly. That leaves one wondering what is at the basis of the quick and successive pile-on actions. And I don't even want to pick up that rock and look under it.)
Seventh, what are Toddst1, Basalisk, Drmies, zero'd in on this Talk page for? (Why aren't you guys doing something more useful for the WP? There is no threat or harm going on here. What explains your hard hands here? What justifies the quick sanction actions here?) This should make people think what is really going on. (And what is really going on, is IMO, the ugly face of WP, and it needs to change. IMO, the greatest incivilities on WP come from ... Admins, not regular editors. The greates disruptions come from ... Admins, not regular editors. IMO you Admins need to take long looks in the mirror. [And if you don't, the passive WP community of reg. editors, needs to somehow do something to opponse this kind of thing, for now and for future.])
Shame. Ihardlythinkso ( talk) 00:39, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
Kudpung is the one stating "you seem to dislike admins in general", drawing lines in the sand re BATTLEGROUND. DanielTom and I have nothing negative to say about any admin, unless we witness and object to their action or accusation or incivility. You have no right to mischaracterize that by saying Kudpung is not drawing arbitrary divides between admins and regular editors, whereas Ihardlythinkso has. (No statements support that view, yet you assert it robustly.) Ihardlythinkso ( talk) 13:29, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
Let me educate you. You are a relative newcomer here (as far as I'm concerned, your experience on other Wiki projects is irrelevant). A friendly (but perhaps blunt - because I'm known for occasional bluntness where appropriate) comment from me above was met with the expected disdain, and further suggestions that admins are trolling is ad hominem. You were warned that such comments may lead to getting you into trouble and seems as if you have now driven it thus far. Admins are entitled to as much respect as any other user but your continued remarks constitute IMHO, a general antipathy for sysops. I have often maintained that there is an anti-admin faction on Wikipedia, and it often comes from those who have rubbed people up the wrong way. If admins are now agreeing about your commenting, don't even think that they are conspiring against you, there is no such thing as admin cabals, but you are going to reap what you sow if you continue to throw your weight around and suggest that mature, experienced admins and editors need educating. Choose your prose wisely. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 04:46, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
( edit conflict). Ep, you may be partly right, and in fact you don't always swim against the current in discussions with me ;) I have never warned or even blocked anyone who has said some very disgusting things about me - I'm old enough and ugly enough to ignore it, I just feel sorry for them and occasionally offer some advice to the younger and/or less experienced ones when I see them overstepping the bounds of common respect in a collaborative environment, or as appearing as potential admin haters for no particular reason other than having been the target of justified warnings. Some admins are even (a lot) blunter and quicker on the trigger than I am, but calling for desysoping is usually OTT and just fuels the wrong kind of fire. Anyone who really wants to know what life is like on the admin side of the fence is welcome to try their luck RfA, and they'll never know until they get the bit and use it. That said, with all the hue and cry about changing the RfA system , I will join with anyone who agvees that lowering the bar is certainly perhaps not the best way to go. I know a lot of older admins (and some much younger ones) personally, including some named here, and I would vote for them at RfA time and time again, and in spite of some ridiculous repeated, and unprovoked trolling suggestions that I seek to abolish the 'Oppose' section at RfA, I'm actually darned careful whom I vote for, as my RfA stats will confirm - and I've voted on nearly every RfA over the last 3 years. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 07:45, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
@hardlythinkso: Absolutely - nothwithstanding the obvious cynicism in your comment. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 07:49, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
I was ping/linked here by Daniel in a link above. Most of the time when I'm linked here, the content is degrading me so I blew off coming here until it was too late as I was in good spirits and didn't want to see more insults. The last thing I was expecting was a sincere request for assistence. The resemblance to The Boy Who Cried Wolf is so obvious it bears mentioning, and like in the story, the outcome might have been different. I hesitated before commenting even now, and I'm sure I will regret it, as I always do.
Once a person begins believing that all admin are ganging together to abuse random editors, and this becomes the central theme in their thinking, there is little hope. Obviously, several of us are seen together "backing each other up" because we are friends that have similar viewpoints. Kudpung and I share many ideas on adminship, but differ on many more. Drmies and I share similar viewpoints but have reverted each other as well. I can't think any admin that I haven't publicly disagreed with on one point or another. I'm just not rude about it when I do. Daniel, you were opining on my talk page earlier, which I reverted out as it was just snide comments and it kept causing edit conflicts while I was busy trying to disagree with Toddst1 and Bbb23 about archiving. You only notice when admin agree with each other, and are mute when we disagree.
Admin disagree all the time. I've bumped heads just recently with a few. The reason you never see it is because you seem blinded by a false belief that there is a conspiracy. When I disagree with another admin, it doesn't require a fight or a long discussion. We make a statement, then we don't beat each other over the head with it. When we strongly disagree, we often use email, where we are not bound by the rules on civility and are free to be as blunt as we care to be. This way it doesn't become disruptive to Wikipedia as a whole. You and others willingly put blinders on, looking only at what fits your preconceived ideas on admin here. Anything that contradicts your fixed notion is dismissed and anything that might support it is held up as The Truth®. It is unhealthy for both you and Wikipedia, and doesn't serve to improve the encyclopedia in any way.
I love a good skeptic. I became an admin because I was skeptical about admin in general, didn't like many things that I saw but knew that real change had to come from within. I know this is what drove Kudpung to the bit as well, and likely many others. This is probably why my threshold is a lot higher than most when it comes to an editor trashing admin, or just incivility as a whole. But when an editor isn't seeking change and simply wants to sit on their perch and demean, attack and degrade someone just because they are an admin, that is purely disruptive and does fit WP:DE. Instead of working to be part of the solution, you have made yourself part of the problem. And when it gets to the point (as it has) that you are compelled to interfere in other random discussion and attempt to undermine honest discourse by injecting your unrelated opinion about how the admin must be wrong because they are an abusive admin, then it is disruption. It acts like a cancer on the project, slowly eating away good faith, turning short conversations into long drawn out drama fests, and is a time parasite. No single editor is so important that they should be allowed to waste so much of the community's time in this way.
Although I'm not known to have a great deal of faith in RFC/U, I think it may be time to start creating RFC/U processes for editors that do these things, as a last ditch effort. Dennis Brown - 2¢ - © - @ - Join WER 11:55, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
DanielTom, I've restored your talk page access on your request. Please check to see if I clicked the right button; I haven't finished my coffee yet. I have restored it because you asked, and I do so in the faith that you will use it properly. You may have gathered by now that I'm not the only one who found the general tone and the content of some of your posts in appropriate. No personal attacks please, no taunting: on the internet, no one knows you're a dog (goes for me too), but a certain level of decorum is necessary to create a working atmosphere, which is what we're supposed to be here for. In other words, turn down the snark level, if I may put it colloquially. I don't mind unblocking you either if you can say you will do that. You may call for my head, if you like, that's fine, but you'll have to do so with good reason and in an appropriate manner (I almost said "politely", betraying my age, perhaps).
If there are any misunderstandings among your defenders about my block: I didn't block you because a certain number of edits need to be made before you can speak your mind--but there is a difference between speaking one's mind and lecturing admins on what they can and cannot do, on what is acceptable for an admin to do, etc. If someone like Malleus claims admin abuse, I can take that because he's been on the butt end of it (that's been established), and if he wants to say that the system as a whole is rotten, I can accept that as well because he's been around long enough to speak with some experience. You cite Beowulf; I can cite the opening lines of the Wife of Bath's prologue and point out that experience and/or authority give one a right to state certain claims--but even an experienced editor knows (will have learned) what's within bounds and what's outside of them. It is entirely possible that other admins disagree with where I draw the line (I don't like "civility blocks"), and an unblock request could have pointed that out. (Perhaps you made one; I haven't read your whole talk page since yesterday.) In my opinion, you were taunting in a very uncivilized manner--I hate repeating that, since it makes it sound like I'm rubbing it in, but I'm just saying this for clarity's sake. Place your unblock request, see how it goes. I wish you the best, and I hope you will be back soon to fix up Mr. Russell, and then Mr. Moore--who had two hands, we know that, and a Wikipedia article full of unreferenced claims that seem to plug one particular author a bit too much. Good luck. Drmies ( talk) 14:08, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
( talk page stalker) Hi, Daniel. Some banging tunes for your talk page. Far more filling than virtual cookies, I feel. -- Hillbillyholiday talk 19:14, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
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I'm very sorry to hear that you are resolved to leave wikipedia. I've made similar resolutions in the past myself and have broken them, but am sure that it's just a matter of time before I too give up completely. I believe that's true of all the people that I've come to respect here. It has been a pleasure to see your intellect at work. There are some fine individual members of the human species, but as whole, it's worthless: the group intolerance that has been demonstrated is totally representative of the species as a whole, as a quick glance at the daily news will usually demonstrate. I hope that in whatever other pursuits you take up you manage to insulate yourself well from the many and varied cliques, and instead have lots of rewarding interactions with individuals. Best wishes, Sminthopsis84 ( talk) 00:13, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
This will be my last post, and I ask that no one edit my talk page after it.
I enjoyed my short time at Wikipedia, but the bitter strifes, the oppressive atmosphere, and the storm of abuse I encountered, all lead to the same conclusion. It is time for me to leave this place.
As I am not a native English speaker, it was difficult for me to make significant contributions to articles. (So the way in which my "300" article edits were slighted, above, was indeed disrespectful to me, as I put considerable time and energy into them.) In the beginning, I limited myself to adding references: the Emily Brontë article, for example, had eleven (11) references before I started editing it, a few months ago; now it has seventy-three (73). (Needless to say, that article still needs much improvement, but it is in good hands.) Eventually, I ventured to write a few sentences of my own (as in the Bertrand Russell article, [5], [6], [7]), whenever key information had been left out. It was a funny experience.
It is a pity that abusive admins — those who are blinded by power and driven by revenge — always end up driving away editors. For my part, what kept me motivated to continue editing articles was the benevolence and sympathy of other regular editors, who always treated me with respect and kindness. Kudos to them. I bear no ill-will nor prejudice to anybody, and I hope no one will bear any ill-will to me.
With sincere wishes for everyone's happiness, I bid you all farewell. ~ DanielTom ( talk) 11:24, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
Now that you've declared that you don't intend to contribute to Wikipedia, your continuing harassing emails to Drmies are cast in a different light. Following those by calling Dennis Brown a snake is compounding the problem. You have a long history of antipathy towards admins and acrimony and disruptive drama that has resulted from that. I have indefinitely blocked you from editing for this continued disruption and if further personal attacks or harassing emails continue, you will lose privileges to edit this page and/or email. Toddst1 ( talk) 14:43, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
Blocking for harassment
- In extreme cases, such as legal threats, threats of violence, or outing, protective blocks may be employed without prior warnings.
- Incidents of wikihounding generally receive a warning. If wikihounding persists after a warning, escalating blocks are often used, beginning with 24 hours.
Your sockpuppetry has been noted. If there was any question about this block, that should remove any doubt. Toddst1 ( talk) 00:43, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
This user contacted the functionaries-en mailing list to profess his innocence regarding the block of User:Diogotome. He claims that account is owned by his brother. Aside from the curiosity of him emailing to appeal a block on behalf of his brother, we explained that considering that both accounts could be indefinitely blocked for their behaviour even if considered independently of each other, his argument was falling on deaf ears. In fact, this account was already blocked anyway. So, even if we are to believe his explanation, the fact remains that it actually changes nothing.
We also explained that he has already exhausted his avenues of appeal for his existing block, and that emailing functionaries-en is not an extra avenue of appeal.
-- (ʞɿɐʇ) ɐuɐʞsǝp 09:46, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
Deskana, at User:Diogotome it states the username is a sockpuppet of User:DanielTom, and it seems to me both brothers have been upfront about all concerned and there has been no attempt to conceal anything. Given that sockpuppetry necessarily conveys the intention to deceive or "cheating", and the fact the brothers have used their real names integral to their WP usernames, it seems that WP should correct the reasons for block at least, and not leave "sockpuppetry" dangling there. (Even for example, User:Daniel Tomé is currently labeled as sockpuppet of User:DanielTom, after Daniel made clear and public his request to change usernames, and again, showed no intention to hide or conceal anything.) Thank you for considering these additional facts. Ihardlythinkso ( talk) 03:18, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
You were involved in a past discussion about this user, so you may be interested in this: WP:ANI#Request swift admin intervention to prevent further disruption to the Jesus article by User Strangesad.-- FutureTrillionaire ( talk) 00:07, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
Some editors seem keen to keep making comments on this page about Daniel having been a really "bad" editor here. For the sake of balance, I simply wish to say that I always found him to be the most polite and collaborative editor, willing to listen and learn in order to create a better encyclopedia. As illustration of what I mean, I invite people to look at this archived thread. There are many ways in which people may relate to one another. Some are more productive than others. PaleCloudedWhite ( talk) 03:24, 25 August 2013 (UTC)
Ihardlythinkso ( talk) 20:11, 26 August 2013 (UTC)User talk pages are rarely protected, and are semi-protected for short durations only in the most severe cases of vandalism from IP users.
Blocked users' user talk pages should not ordinarily be protected, as this interferes with the user's ability to contest their block through the normal process. It also prevents others from being able to use the talk page to communicate with the blocked editor.
In extreme cases of abuse by the blocked user, such as abuse of the {{unblock}} template, re-blocking the user without talk page access should be preferred over protection.
When required, protection should be implemented for only a brief period, not exceeding the duration of the block.
Confirmed socks of registered users should be dealt with in accordance with Wikipedia:Sockpuppetry; their pages are not normally protected.
Hello, per m:Global bans, I have to inform you of the global ban requests for comment I have started about you. Since you are currently blocked, you are able to post responses to queries posted on the page at your talk page or request to be temporarily unblocked to participate in that RfC only. Thanks, John F. Lewis ( talk) 09:15, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
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Thanks very much. I haven't worked at Wikiquote for a few years now, but I imagine some of the pages I made there must be obscure enough to have remained untouched. It's easy to imagine they're unread as well, so your words are very reassuring. -- Antiquary ( talk) 11:44, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
Hi, I just wanted to acknowledge a comment that you made yesterday on a talk page, which I don't think I can respond to in situ because of the risk of inflaming matters. I agree with you that apologizing to bullies seems quite wrong, but in this strange world where we know so little about what possibly horrible things may be happening in an editor's real world, it seems necessary to shrug off a lot more bad behaviour. Perhaps that will in this case even lead to an apology to the perpetrator (I'm glad I'm not directly in the line of fire and having to decide whether to do that!). Anyway, best wishes to you. I'm taking a longish break from editing to recover from witnessing that distressing business, but didn't want to leave you with no response from anyone. Sminthopsis84 ( talk) 20:28, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
I apologize to you, per your at least three separate requests. :)
Admittedly I was clued in to this discrepancy by a comment from Beyond My Ken ( talk · contribs), and upon further investigation found similarities in behavioral patterns between Kalki ( talk · contribs) and DanielTom ( talk · contribs), including:
The Checkusers have since looked into this and they have said this appears to be an unfounded concern. I am sorry you were bothered by this. Cheers, — Cirt ( talk) 02:21, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
Now that you have chosen to further WP:DISRUPT the AN discussion by including inappropriate hidden text that serves only to denigrate the previous poster's position, I provide this: please do not post any further in any threads related User:TheShadowCrow. Such posts may lead to a block for disruption ( ✉→ BWilkins ←✎) 12:22, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
Here's a great Malleus quote:
"Personal attack" is simply a euphemism for anything that someone with more guns than you have takes exception to. Malleus Fatuorum 02:38, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
Thank you for your support. -- TheShadowCrow ( talk) 00:11, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
You're quite clearly tracking my edits and making snarky comments where they most certainly do not belong. If you have an issue with my edits/actions, raise them at ANI in a case of their own, or perhaps an RFC. When I am one of two editors who are actually trying to SAVE another editor who has gotten themself into trouble, your snark on their talkpage (which is clearly wrong, by the way) is merely lighting a match to a situation. I will also introduce you to WP:HARASS, which as you can see is exactly what I am not doing when it comes to User:Gregbard. I am and adult, and would expect you to act like one as well on this project ( ✉→ BWilkins ←✎) 10:55, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
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Thanks for your support of my RfA. It didn't succeed this time, but that's no reason not to have some nice pierogi. Cheers, -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 14:21, 3 May 2013 (UTC)|} |
I'd like to apologize personally, not just on ANI. I should not have overreacted like that and I most certainly should not have made general judgments about you based on a single incident. I thought you made a mistake back then, but we all make mistakes and that is no reason for others to make comments about us as persons. My comment was completely out of line, and I appreciate your measured and level-headed response to it. Once again, my sincerest apologies. Jeppiz ( talk) 14:26, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
Daniel, though Jeppiz is responsible for his own statements on the Pedia, I don't totally blame him. (Why? His statements came in a thread on Bwilkins's Talk, and Bwilkins had already set a tone by making charges against your honesty and ethics per this statement: "if you want to point out somewhere that he's actually been honest (diffs would be nice) or even remotely ethical, I'd love to see it". It is easy mistake to make, following the civility standard set by an Admin, because they are the "authority" above regular editors. But it's a fallacy. Their conducts are often reverse of the advertised "higher standard", they get away with lower "because they are Admins" and the strong Admin corps credo to not challenge another Admin except in the most dire situations. A fallacy easy to slip and fall on. We tend to implicitly trust Admins. Then we start thinking and wake up. IMO, so did Jeppiz. Good for him.) Ihardlythinkso ( talk) 14:53, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
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The Flaming Wiki Award... for Wikipedians who've been through wiki-hell. Strangesad ( talk) 20:22, 5 May 2013 (UTC) |
The reason I hat stuff like that isn't to protect Bwilkins, it is solely to keep the discussion singularly focused on the original case. What often happens is that people get into tangential discussions about someone else, and the whole thread gets too large or confusing to be fair to the original party(s). If you have an issue with Bwilkins actions, it isn't related to the edits that happened on Amiram Goldblum, which is the sole reason for that report. You should take it to his talk page first, and if you think he isn't addressing it properly, you can file a separate ANI report on it, where the discussion should be solely about that issue and things directly relative to it. If we don't compartmentalize stuff, the whole page becomes one meandering thread of incomprehensible subthreads. To be fair to the parties who are at risk of sanction at ANI, it is better to keep the discussion focused on the merits of that report only. The hatting isn't a comment on Bwilkins behavior or you taking exception to it, it is solely a clerking function of keeping the visible discussion on the actual case at hand. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 12:10, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
Let me ask you, Bwilkins: Do you, like Basalisk, believe there's an important difference, regarding whether something is a personal attack or not, if you can identify in the grammar an "action word" (or not)? (Because that is what you seem to be suggesting, but I don't know for sure, other than you are trying to belittle me or insult me. So make yourself clear now, if you wanna talk logic with me.) Ihardlythinkso ( talk) 16:11, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
Yes, I know the system is corrupt. Dennis even admiteed justice doesn't exist here. But it's either AN or I can E-mail the community just to get a generic "no" two weeks later. I will probably give the appeal another try soon, maybe tomarrow. Just letting you know. -- TheShadowCrow ( talk) 22:42, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
I rather get the impression that you have something against admins and admin candidates. Perhaps you should get more experience before throwing your weight around here, and commenting at RfA. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 17:11, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
Actual, my position isn't a shift. [3] I've always maintained this attitude, even before becoming an admin. See Q12 Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Dennis Brown, although that was about if I would surrender the bit if one person requested it. I authored Request for Admin Sanctions in July 2012 just after becoming an admin, a policy proposal to make desysoping possible by a simple consensus of editors at WP:AN. It was my second major initiative, after founding WP:WikiProject Editor Retention a month earlier. I was a major contributor at Wikipedia:Requests for Comment/Community de-adminship proof of concept as well. Everyone already knows I support desysoping by community concensus, I've been very public (and loud) about it. You are welcome to start a discussion at WP:AN any time you think that a consensus would support desysoping me, and I would honor that in the spirit of the very proposed policy I authored. I'm stymied as to how you could think I'm against something that I have fought tooth and nail for. Dennis Brown - 2¢ - © - @ - Join WER 15:03, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
By restoring the nonsense on Onorem's page, you are in effect making the personal attack. See WP:TPNO and WP:TPO.
* Removing harmful posts, including personal attacks, trolling and vandalism. This generally does not extend to messages that are merely uncivil; deletions of simple invective are controversial. Posts that may be considered disruptive in various ways are another borderline case and are usually best left as-is or archived.
— WP:TPO
Toddst1 ( talk) 19:59, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
* Removing harmful posts, including personal attacks, trolling and vandalism. This generally does not extend to messages that are merely uncivil; deletions of simple invective are controversial. Posts that may be considered disruptive in various ways are another borderline case and are usually best left as-is or archived.
— WP:TPO
Any interpretation of this edit on the heels of this other than as a personal attack is just plain laughable and you know it. Your edits are seriously WP:POINTy now. Toddst1 ( talk) 20:44, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
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, but you should read the
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talk) 21:55, 23 May 2013 (UTC)Today I made this edit to the Bertrand Russell page. I would like to keep contributing to Wikipedia, but I need to be unblocked first. Could some nice admin please review Drmies's extremely abusive block? I do not even know how to reply to it, because the reason he gave ("harassment") is just ridiculously absurd. He claims that I "persistently referring to Todd's remarks as trolling", but I only did that in one comment. How does "persistently" apply? I really cannot understand it. Is asking that an editor stop trolling a "personal attack"? What about the other countless true personal attacks at this very talk page made against me, which were so much more serious? Further, it was Toddst1 who decided to come here, on my Talk page. How could I be "harassing" him if I have never had any previous interaction with him? Again, I do not understand it. Drmies, your abusive block was a very bad move here. I hope you are happy. ~ DanielTom ( talk) 22:21, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
For the record, Toddst1 blocked my Talk page access, claiming that I had made "Personal attacks or harassment", just because I said Drmies "needs to be desyopped". Could someone please inform Toddst1 of WP:INVOLVED? Thanks. ~ DanielTom ( talk) 22:36, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
Again, for the record, Basalisk also revoked my talk page access, without providing any valid reason, thus making it impossible for me to defend myself, or to edit any page on Wikipedia, including my own talk page. This degree of abuse is completely intolerable. ~ DanielTom ( talk) 14:03, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
In the meantime, while I was blocked, I sent the following email to Writ Keeper, an uninvolved Admin:
You may use this talk page to appeal this block but not to attack other editors. Continued misuse of this talk page will result in your inability to edit it. Toddst1 ( talk) 22:12, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
I have Daniel's talk page on my watchlist as a result of working with him on the Emily Brontë article. The impression I gained was of a very polite and extremely collaborative editor. That has continued to be the case in all my subsequent interactions with him. Watching recent postings here has been somewhat discomfiting. It is sometimes healthy for individuals who lack power in a relationship to be able to vent and express dissatisfactions, which Daniel seems to have been doing on his talk page. I have kept wondering why this is seen as so egregious. Having a deaf ear, a forgiving nature and a kindly word could, I think, be a more productive approach here. PaleCloudedWhite ( talk) 22:41, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
I've read the entire thread. It amazes me. First, Toddst1 naming DT's restoration of text on User:Onorem's Talk as "effectively making [a] personal attack [yourself]". IMO that is patently absurd.
Second, Drmies blocking, based on "Attempting to harass others". (Harassment is a serious and WP-defined thing. Are you sure about your definition and that DT's comments qualify, Drmies?!)
Third, DT gave opinion that Toddst1 was trolling, and Drmies asserted that such a statement was "blockable". (Really, Drmies?! Do you want me to give you a diff [or more] where Toddst1 describes other Admins as trolling, based on their disagreement with some of his past action[s]? [Please let me know and I'll research it. But let me know first about your consistency on the point.])
Fourth, Toddst1 removed DT's comment that Drmies "needs to be de-sysop'd" on the basis of it being a PA. (Really, Toddst1?! DT is not allowed to express that opinion?! DT is not allowed to have or express that opinion?!)
Fifth, Drmies, when asked to justify his block, gave these as rationale: "[DT's] tone, and comments". (OMG. We're blocking on interpreted tone, and someone making "comments" now?! How much totalitarian oppression of expression are we pursuing in the current WP culture, anyway!?)
Sixth, looking at the seconds (tick, tock, tick, tock) elapsed between measures taken against DT, ... it pauses one to think what is the rush, hurry, emergency. (None, of course. Which does suggest, hello, there is emotion raging here, and punatively directed at DT. There was no need to protect the Wiki from disruption, and even if I would grant there was some small disruption, which I don't grant, there certainly was no reason to pile-on with all the actions so quickly. That leaves one wondering what is at the basis of the quick and successive pile-on actions. And I don't even want to pick up that rock and look under it.)
Seventh, what are Toddst1, Basalisk, Drmies, zero'd in on this Talk page for? (Why aren't you guys doing something more useful for the WP? There is no threat or harm going on here. What explains your hard hands here? What justifies the quick sanction actions here?) This should make people think what is really going on. (And what is really going on, is IMO, the ugly face of WP, and it needs to change. IMO, the greatest incivilities on WP come from ... Admins, not regular editors. The greates disruptions come from ... Admins, not regular editors. IMO you Admins need to take long looks in the mirror. [And if you don't, the passive WP community of reg. editors, needs to somehow do something to opponse this kind of thing, for now and for future.])
Shame. Ihardlythinkso ( talk) 00:39, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
Kudpung is the one stating "you seem to dislike admins in general", drawing lines in the sand re BATTLEGROUND. DanielTom and I have nothing negative to say about any admin, unless we witness and object to their action or accusation or incivility. You have no right to mischaracterize that by saying Kudpung is not drawing arbitrary divides between admins and regular editors, whereas Ihardlythinkso has. (No statements support that view, yet you assert it robustly.) Ihardlythinkso ( talk) 13:29, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
Let me educate you. You are a relative newcomer here (as far as I'm concerned, your experience on other Wiki projects is irrelevant). A friendly (but perhaps blunt - because I'm known for occasional bluntness where appropriate) comment from me above was met with the expected disdain, and further suggestions that admins are trolling is ad hominem. You were warned that such comments may lead to getting you into trouble and seems as if you have now driven it thus far. Admins are entitled to as much respect as any other user but your continued remarks constitute IMHO, a general antipathy for sysops. I have often maintained that there is an anti-admin faction on Wikipedia, and it often comes from those who have rubbed people up the wrong way. If admins are now agreeing about your commenting, don't even think that they are conspiring against you, there is no such thing as admin cabals, but you are going to reap what you sow if you continue to throw your weight around and suggest that mature, experienced admins and editors need educating. Choose your prose wisely. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 04:46, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
( edit conflict). Ep, you may be partly right, and in fact you don't always swim against the current in discussions with me ;) I have never warned or even blocked anyone who has said some very disgusting things about me - I'm old enough and ugly enough to ignore it, I just feel sorry for them and occasionally offer some advice to the younger and/or less experienced ones when I see them overstepping the bounds of common respect in a collaborative environment, or as appearing as potential admin haters for no particular reason other than having been the target of justified warnings. Some admins are even (a lot) blunter and quicker on the trigger than I am, but calling for desysoping is usually OTT and just fuels the wrong kind of fire. Anyone who really wants to know what life is like on the admin side of the fence is welcome to try their luck RfA, and they'll never know until they get the bit and use it. That said, with all the hue and cry about changing the RfA system , I will join with anyone who agvees that lowering the bar is certainly perhaps not the best way to go. I know a lot of older admins (and some much younger ones) personally, including some named here, and I would vote for them at RfA time and time again, and in spite of some ridiculous repeated, and unprovoked trolling suggestions that I seek to abolish the 'Oppose' section at RfA, I'm actually darned careful whom I vote for, as my RfA stats will confirm - and I've voted on nearly every RfA over the last 3 years. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 07:45, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
@hardlythinkso: Absolutely - nothwithstanding the obvious cynicism in your comment. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 07:49, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
I was ping/linked here by Daniel in a link above. Most of the time when I'm linked here, the content is degrading me so I blew off coming here until it was too late as I was in good spirits and didn't want to see more insults. The last thing I was expecting was a sincere request for assistence. The resemblance to The Boy Who Cried Wolf is so obvious it bears mentioning, and like in the story, the outcome might have been different. I hesitated before commenting even now, and I'm sure I will regret it, as I always do.
Once a person begins believing that all admin are ganging together to abuse random editors, and this becomes the central theme in their thinking, there is little hope. Obviously, several of us are seen together "backing each other up" because we are friends that have similar viewpoints. Kudpung and I share many ideas on adminship, but differ on many more. Drmies and I share similar viewpoints but have reverted each other as well. I can't think any admin that I haven't publicly disagreed with on one point or another. I'm just not rude about it when I do. Daniel, you were opining on my talk page earlier, which I reverted out as it was just snide comments and it kept causing edit conflicts while I was busy trying to disagree with Toddst1 and Bbb23 about archiving. You only notice when admin agree with each other, and are mute when we disagree.
Admin disagree all the time. I've bumped heads just recently with a few. The reason you never see it is because you seem blinded by a false belief that there is a conspiracy. When I disagree with another admin, it doesn't require a fight or a long discussion. We make a statement, then we don't beat each other over the head with it. When we strongly disagree, we often use email, where we are not bound by the rules on civility and are free to be as blunt as we care to be. This way it doesn't become disruptive to Wikipedia as a whole. You and others willingly put blinders on, looking only at what fits your preconceived ideas on admin here. Anything that contradicts your fixed notion is dismissed and anything that might support it is held up as The Truth®. It is unhealthy for both you and Wikipedia, and doesn't serve to improve the encyclopedia in any way.
I love a good skeptic. I became an admin because I was skeptical about admin in general, didn't like many things that I saw but knew that real change had to come from within. I know this is what drove Kudpung to the bit as well, and likely many others. This is probably why my threshold is a lot higher than most when it comes to an editor trashing admin, or just incivility as a whole. But when an editor isn't seeking change and simply wants to sit on their perch and demean, attack and degrade someone just because they are an admin, that is purely disruptive and does fit WP:DE. Instead of working to be part of the solution, you have made yourself part of the problem. And when it gets to the point (as it has) that you are compelled to interfere in other random discussion and attempt to undermine honest discourse by injecting your unrelated opinion about how the admin must be wrong because they are an abusive admin, then it is disruption. It acts like a cancer on the project, slowly eating away good faith, turning short conversations into long drawn out drama fests, and is a time parasite. No single editor is so important that they should be allowed to waste so much of the community's time in this way.
Although I'm not known to have a great deal of faith in RFC/U, I think it may be time to start creating RFC/U processes for editors that do these things, as a last ditch effort. Dennis Brown - 2¢ - © - @ - Join WER 11:55, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
DanielTom, I've restored your talk page access on your request. Please check to see if I clicked the right button; I haven't finished my coffee yet. I have restored it because you asked, and I do so in the faith that you will use it properly. You may have gathered by now that I'm not the only one who found the general tone and the content of some of your posts in appropriate. No personal attacks please, no taunting: on the internet, no one knows you're a dog (goes for me too), but a certain level of decorum is necessary to create a working atmosphere, which is what we're supposed to be here for. In other words, turn down the snark level, if I may put it colloquially. I don't mind unblocking you either if you can say you will do that. You may call for my head, if you like, that's fine, but you'll have to do so with good reason and in an appropriate manner (I almost said "politely", betraying my age, perhaps).
If there are any misunderstandings among your defenders about my block: I didn't block you because a certain number of edits need to be made before you can speak your mind--but there is a difference between speaking one's mind and lecturing admins on what they can and cannot do, on what is acceptable for an admin to do, etc. If someone like Malleus claims admin abuse, I can take that because he's been on the butt end of it (that's been established), and if he wants to say that the system as a whole is rotten, I can accept that as well because he's been around long enough to speak with some experience. You cite Beowulf; I can cite the opening lines of the Wife of Bath's prologue and point out that experience and/or authority give one a right to state certain claims--but even an experienced editor knows (will have learned) what's within bounds and what's outside of them. It is entirely possible that other admins disagree with where I draw the line (I don't like "civility blocks"), and an unblock request could have pointed that out. (Perhaps you made one; I haven't read your whole talk page since yesterday.) In my opinion, you were taunting in a very uncivilized manner--I hate repeating that, since it makes it sound like I'm rubbing it in, but I'm just saying this for clarity's sake. Place your unblock request, see how it goes. I wish you the best, and I hope you will be back soon to fix up Mr. Russell, and then Mr. Moore--who had two hands, we know that, and a Wikipedia article full of unreferenced claims that seem to plug one particular author a bit too much. Good luck. Drmies ( talk) 14:08, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
( talk page stalker) Hi, Daniel. Some banging tunes for your talk page. Far more filling than virtual cookies, I feel. -- Hillbillyholiday talk 19:14, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
Click according to current mood.
I'm very sorry to hear that you are resolved to leave wikipedia. I've made similar resolutions in the past myself and have broken them, but am sure that it's just a matter of time before I too give up completely. I believe that's true of all the people that I've come to respect here. It has been a pleasure to see your intellect at work. There are some fine individual members of the human species, but as whole, it's worthless: the group intolerance that has been demonstrated is totally representative of the species as a whole, as a quick glance at the daily news will usually demonstrate. I hope that in whatever other pursuits you take up you manage to insulate yourself well from the many and varied cliques, and instead have lots of rewarding interactions with individuals. Best wishes, Sminthopsis84 ( talk) 00:13, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
This will be my last post, and I ask that no one edit my talk page after it.
I enjoyed my short time at Wikipedia, but the bitter strifes, the oppressive atmosphere, and the storm of abuse I encountered, all lead to the same conclusion. It is time for me to leave this place.
As I am not a native English speaker, it was difficult for me to make significant contributions to articles. (So the way in which my "300" article edits were slighted, above, was indeed disrespectful to me, as I put considerable time and energy into them.) In the beginning, I limited myself to adding references: the Emily Brontë article, for example, had eleven (11) references before I started editing it, a few months ago; now it has seventy-three (73). (Needless to say, that article still needs much improvement, but it is in good hands.) Eventually, I ventured to write a few sentences of my own (as in the Bertrand Russell article, [5], [6], [7]), whenever key information had been left out. It was a funny experience.
It is a pity that abusive admins — those who are blinded by power and driven by revenge — always end up driving away editors. For my part, what kept me motivated to continue editing articles was the benevolence and sympathy of other regular editors, who always treated me with respect and kindness. Kudos to them. I bear no ill-will nor prejudice to anybody, and I hope no one will bear any ill-will to me.
With sincere wishes for everyone's happiness, I bid you all farewell. ~ DanielTom ( talk) 11:24, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
Now that you've declared that you don't intend to contribute to Wikipedia, your continuing harassing emails to Drmies are cast in a different light. Following those by calling Dennis Brown a snake is compounding the problem. You have a long history of antipathy towards admins and acrimony and disruptive drama that has resulted from that. I have indefinitely blocked you from editing for this continued disruption and if further personal attacks or harassing emails continue, you will lose privileges to edit this page and/or email. Toddst1 ( talk) 14:43, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
Blocking for harassment
- In extreme cases, such as legal threats, threats of violence, or outing, protective blocks may be employed without prior warnings.
- Incidents of wikihounding generally receive a warning. If wikihounding persists after a warning, escalating blocks are often used, beginning with 24 hours.
Your sockpuppetry has been noted. If there was any question about this block, that should remove any doubt. Toddst1 ( talk) 00:43, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
This user contacted the functionaries-en mailing list to profess his innocence regarding the block of User:Diogotome. He claims that account is owned by his brother. Aside from the curiosity of him emailing to appeal a block on behalf of his brother, we explained that considering that both accounts could be indefinitely blocked for their behaviour even if considered independently of each other, his argument was falling on deaf ears. In fact, this account was already blocked anyway. So, even if we are to believe his explanation, the fact remains that it actually changes nothing.
We also explained that he has already exhausted his avenues of appeal for his existing block, and that emailing functionaries-en is not an extra avenue of appeal.
-- (ʞɿɐʇ) ɐuɐʞsǝp 09:46, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
Deskana, at User:Diogotome it states the username is a sockpuppet of User:DanielTom, and it seems to me both brothers have been upfront about all concerned and there has been no attempt to conceal anything. Given that sockpuppetry necessarily conveys the intention to deceive or "cheating", and the fact the brothers have used their real names integral to their WP usernames, it seems that WP should correct the reasons for block at least, and not leave "sockpuppetry" dangling there. (Even for example, User:Daniel Tomé is currently labeled as sockpuppet of User:DanielTom, after Daniel made clear and public his request to change usernames, and again, showed no intention to hide or conceal anything.) Thank you for considering these additional facts. Ihardlythinkso ( talk) 03:18, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
You were involved in a past discussion about this user, so you may be interested in this: WP:ANI#Request swift admin intervention to prevent further disruption to the Jesus article by User Strangesad.-- FutureTrillionaire ( talk) 00:07, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
Some editors seem keen to keep making comments on this page about Daniel having been a really "bad" editor here. For the sake of balance, I simply wish to say that I always found him to be the most polite and collaborative editor, willing to listen and learn in order to create a better encyclopedia. As illustration of what I mean, I invite people to look at this archived thread. There are many ways in which people may relate to one another. Some are more productive than others. PaleCloudedWhite ( talk) 03:24, 25 August 2013 (UTC)
Ihardlythinkso ( talk) 20:11, 26 August 2013 (UTC)User talk pages are rarely protected, and are semi-protected for short durations only in the most severe cases of vandalism from IP users.
Blocked users' user talk pages should not ordinarily be protected, as this interferes with the user's ability to contest their block through the normal process. It also prevents others from being able to use the talk page to communicate with the blocked editor.
In extreme cases of abuse by the blocked user, such as abuse of the {{unblock}} template, re-blocking the user without talk page access should be preferred over protection.
When required, protection should be implemented for only a brief period, not exceeding the duration of the block.
Confirmed socks of registered users should be dealt with in accordance with Wikipedia:Sockpuppetry; their pages are not normally protected.
Hello, per m:Global bans, I have to inform you of the global ban requests for comment I have started about you. Since you are currently blocked, you are able to post responses to queries posted on the page at your talk page or request to be temporarily unblocked to participate in that RfC only. Thanks, John F. Lewis ( talk) 09:15, 2 February 2014 (UTC)