Just a friendly suggestion that you might want to be careful you don't accidentally break the WP:3RR rule - if you see a serial edit warrior, it's probably better to report them at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring rather than get involved in the edit war yourself. -- Boing! said Zebedee ( talk) 14:00, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Suspicious POV editing? regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. I had a closer look and thought it would benefit from wider attention -- Boing! said Zebedee ( talk) 18:37, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
The source for the claim that Russia forced some residents in South Ossetia to take passports was provided. For some reason you have reverted it. You must have overlooked the link to OSCE report.-- ComtesseDeMingrélie 02:08, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
You be damned for putting Georgia alongside its butchers in the middle east. You know nothing about the country, or its people, only your what your ignorant, perverted imagination will tell you. -- 141.161.133.117 ( talk) 05:18, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
You appear to be editing warring over a footnote from Europe, copied over to Asia. The footnote in Europe has been in place for years and was very carefully worked out. Please could you stop editing in this way, without any sensible discussion? Thanks, Mathsci ( talk) 15:05, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
Stop littering my page with your meaningless warnings. You use this law-abiding, discussion-willing image just to cover what your true goal is - use discussions to indefinitely drag on the process of changing what is written according to your beliefs. And the end result? The pages get magically locked on your "uncontroversial" versions so that "disruptive" editors such as I make no further changes.The sources I am providing make everything clear but you have a personal predisposition against any implication that Georgia may be considered European more often than not. Guess what my love? that truly is the case and that is how it should be said. -- ComtesseDeMingrélie 08:02, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
Again, thanks for all your useful geography editing. BTW, love your "Majority does not equal right" icon on your user page. Nice reply above on Australia vs. Oceania! And congrats on perhaps being the only editor to have the phrase "Guess what, my love" placed here (above, by old "friend"-- ComtesseDeMingrélie!)
Any help or suggestion on the locator map in Azerbaijan?? As in Feb. and also four days back, User: Proger is back to his old tricks, just doing drive-by rv's with no discussion, since he feels that a map of Europe(!) with Azer. falling off the extreme edge is somehow WP:NPOV for Azer. Other than Cyprus, most locator maps have the country in question at least somewhere near the center, a point made by at least 3 other editors in recent weeks who have attempted to change this map for the better, only to be hit with a rv with no discussion by Proger. In my lowly geographer role (with no agenda or connection to the Caucasus at all), I suggested that when consensus is reached to start the article with "Azer. is in Europe" (unlikely), then, and only then, can a map of Europe be legitimately used as a locator. Result: another drive-by rv by Proger. ( Neftchi tends to help him.) Any suggestions or help would be greatly appreciated as I'm not well versed or experienced in WP practices-policies. (As you know, the Georgia and Armenia maps at least aren't this bad at the moment, and there are several Azer maps in Commons where Azer is more in the center....and of course, they are not maps of Europe!) (I also left a message with User:Dbachmann who, like all of us geographers, will not agree on everything but has been most helpful on S. Caucasus, Boundaries between continents, etc.) Thanks. DLinth ( talk) 19:51, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
Hey, given your suggestion on having Georgia map show the unrecognised territories, we should make the same change to Azerbaijan's map. I noticed that Serbia, Moldova which have similar situations, show the territory in question when showing their map. People should know, when looking at the map on the country's page which part of the country is not under control of that country's government. MosMusy ( talk) 17:47, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
I noticed you changed the map to have Georgia with the de-facto independent territories. That's fine, but this change should be made in the Azerbaijan article as well. Just warning you, there will be nationalistic opposition, that will be faced. MosMusy ( talk) 05:54, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
all sources that were mention show all 3 countries of the caucasus in the same region, though Abkhazia and South Ossetia could be considered as part of the region where Russia is (if the Caucasus and Russia are in the different regions), Nagorno-karabakh is clearly in the same region as Armenia/Azerbaijan, even if you complain about it i'll add that most of the sources have map which shows Karabakh as part of Azerbaijan and part of its region. Still its ridiculus that a country page on wikipedia lacks general location information. Captain armenia ( talk) 15:59, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
1. Armenia is located in Asia
2. Armenia is located in Asia and is socio-politically part of Eastern Europe, South-Eastern Europe, Western Asia or Central Asia
I think the second version is better
Captain armenia (
talk)
16:59, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
Hi. I just left a note at the talk page of the IP address 92.4.130.108, suggesting that he/she/they might want to consider taking their concerns about the content at History of Georgia (country) to the article's talk page, rather than engage in what might possibly be seen as an edit war. Richwales ( talk) 19:33, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
Hey, why do you change Georgia (country) edits? Don't do that again! — Preceding unsigned comment added by GeorgianJorjadze ( talk • contribs) 20:59, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
Are you going to keep deleting me edits all the time? I demand explanations from you. In case of Georgia, why did you delete my edits? I've put the anthem of Georgia and you edited it. I've put the map of Georgia, but you still put the map of Georgia with separatist regions highlighted. There are all the sources of Russian occupation of Georgian territories linked with every source and still you kept deleting my edits. Cannot you just stop already? -- GeorgianJorjadze ( talk) 12:13, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
Do you understand what I am saying? Where is the anthem? Where is the normal map without highlighting separatist regions? Where is the 'Russian occupation of Georgian territories' written? You're not letting me to edit and keep deleting everything I write. I am NOT biased. PUT THE ANTHEM! PUT THE UNITED MAP OF GEORGIA INTO INTERNATIONALLY RECOGNIZED BORDERS WITHOUT SEPARATIST REGIONS! PUT THE RUSSIAN OCCUPATION! AND THEN YOU CAN LOCK THE THREAD! Do you get it or not? Stop this editorial war for god's sake! -- GeorgianJorjadze ( talk) 15:58, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
So DO it! Where is the anthem? Put some other map of UNITED GEORGIA! and put in the HEAD the RUSSIAS OCCUPATION. It's not the fairy tale called just like that. Russia still has occupied Georgia's 20%. SO PUT THAT IN THE HEAD of the topic. And LOCK the TOPIC with this little lock in the right side --> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fc/Padlock-silver.svg/20px-Padlock-silver.svg.png -- GeorgianJorjadze ( talk) 16:26, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
I already cut down the infobox and they block it. That is why I remove them from pages. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vozce ( talk • contribs) 22:24, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
I just notice that the Georgia template was just fine before it was inflated unnecesrly to its present size by a blocked User:Tanllocittis. Do you think theyr the same person and that explains the attacks on me by so many Georgia editors at the time? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vozce ( talk • contribs) 20:45, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
Hello Chipmunkdavis, u reedited my edits which were sources from EU, BBC, and etc. And u have written that abkhazia is actually a State what is large Misinformation and Because of that i have contacted to Wiki administrator, if such edits will appear again i will make a complaint about it. i told same to Administrator. We are wikipedia users and this must not happen to wikipedia because it has already problems with law. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ArsA-92 ( talk • contribs) 07:34, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
Hello CMD,
In the Georgian alphabet topic there's quote of Russian historian:
Victor Schnirelmann has noted that the Georgian historians' somewhat painful attitude towards Mesrop Mashtots is conditioned by the "myth of some pure original indigenous culture".
That sounds offensive and insulting don't you think? Don't you think that this quote should be removed? What do you suggest? GeorgianJorjadze ( talk) 08:49, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
Ur resent edites in "Caucasus" is vandalism, nothing more. Abkhazia and Karabakh are official territories of Georgia and Azerbaijan recognized by 99% of World governments. I sent a letter to Administrator about ur vandal actions, i hope u will get a permanent BAN. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.73.208.159 ( talk • contribs)
Hi. The keys you added in Abkhazia are only a substring of the one found in DEFAULTSORT. So, they don't really make difference. -- Magioladitis ( talk) 18:08, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
Regarding this; it could be because of France–North Korea relations page. It states, "France is one of the only two European Union members not to recognise North Korea, the other being Estonia." Source I believe only talks about d-relations, but have you heard anything that this could be the case? Outback the koala ( talk) 22:25, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
STOP your pro-abkhazian edits ! Folow NPOV !!!--
Balakhadze
ႫႨႼႤႰႠ
10:47, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
Battle of Gagra
,
Kamani massacre
,
Siege of Tkvarcheli
,
Sukhumi massacre
.--
Balakhadze
User Chipmunkdavis my disfavour to you! You like "paranoid" reverting all my edits. -_-. --
Balakhadze
18:48, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
User Chipmunkdavis do you realy can't see neighbour countries on this map? This map actually gives same information as this
file:Democratic Republic of Georgia map.jpg, the only difference is in borders. Also
this map is more correct.--
Balakhadze
21:46, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
Hi Chipmunk, just a note to say that the reverting at these articles has reached inappropriate levels. If someone makes an edit against consensus and continues to revert, the best thing is to get others involved, including through article RfCs, or to request admin assistance. In any event you should be careful not to violate 3RR. Many thanks, SlimVirgin (talk) 02:14, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
any uninvolved admin is likely to see only the reverts, rather than delving into why.My 2 cents. Begoon talk 02:26, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
why did you delete the information about Laz presence in Abkhazia ? This information was already there, and i just added new information. This represents a violation — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheMistAnchorite1 ( talk • contribs) 16:55, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
i already re-wrote that information, thank you ! — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheMistAnchorite1 ( talk • contribs) 21:43, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
Hello. It would be greatly appreciated if you approach other editors' improvements in a respectful way. At least provide a helpful summery for your reverts. Indicate what makes you unhappy and open a discussion rather than stalling the evolution of the article by reverting to worse state. For example, the version that you seem to be happy with has a lengthy paragraph about the NKR. Why would an article about Azerbaijan contain so much info about NKR? I insist on my improvement and welcome any constructive discussion. But please don't just go around and null my labor in such an inconsiderate way. Thank you. Gulmammad | talk 05:20, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
See Talk:Georgia (country)#Anthem. GeorgianJorjadze 08:25, 3 August 2013 (UTC)
Hi. I got a talk page message from Jaqeli a couple of hours ago, asking me to intervene in a dispute between you and him involving the articles Georgia (country) and History of Georgia (country). I haven't looked at the recent histories of these articles in detail, and I probably won't be able to do so until at least 6 - 12 hours from now. I understand Jaqeli feels he's in the right and you're in the wrong — but what, in your view, is going on here? — Rich wales (no relation to Jimbo) 15:36, 22 December 2013 (UTC)
Hi there- I see you reverted my edit on the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic article. I saw and understand your reasoning but I urge you to take a look at all other countries articles and you will see that they have a file of their national anthem. So , with your permission, could I put the file back in? Tomh903 ( talk) 22:44, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
Aside from that you could have easily searched for it yourself, here you go.
Iberia. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasian_Iberia "Iberia became a tributary of the Sasanian state during the reign of Shapur I (241-272)." "However, after the emperor Julian was slain during his failed campaign in Persia in 363, Rome ceded control of Iberia to Persia, and King Varaz-Bakur I (Asphagur) (363-365) became a Persian vassal, an outcome confirmed by the Peace of Acilisene in 387" "Thereafter, the king of Iberia had only nominal power, while the country was effectively ruled by the Persians. In 580, Hormizd IV (578-590) abolished the monarchy after the death of King Bakur III, and Iberia became a Persian province ruled by a marzpan (governor)." "but in 591 Byzantium and Persia agreed to divide Iberia between them, with Tbilisi to be in Persian hands "
Lazica. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lazica "Throughout much of its existence, it was mainly a Byzantine strategic vassal kingdom occasionally coming under Sassanid Persian rule"
Now perhaps you can tell me why it's not a fallacy to write that the "Georgian kingdoms had been under Byzantine/Roman rule for nearly 400 years?
Also I don't see why you reverted the change from Sassanid Persia back to Persia, as it was under Sassanjd Persia when these wars took place in those regions of the Caucasus. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sassanid_empire
So, I will undo your reversion.
LouisAragon ( talk) 01:06, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
This armenian oriented nagorno karabakh page continuously asserts that the land was always filled with armenians. I wonder why are my fucking edits being undone unreasonably when I have a solid proof of the facts that I have added. It is a fact that over 800,000 people have left the region as a result of united armenian-russian atrocities. Seeing the fucking sentences about the region consisting of always predominatly of armenians makes me mad. /info/en/?search=Nagorno-Karabakh_War. Here is ur fucking evidence. It is not fabricated we have tons of refugees living in Azerbaijan as a result of this Western-russia fuckery. An estimated 800,000 Azeris were displaced from the fighting including those from both Armenia and Karabakh — Preceding unsigned comment added by BloodPrison ( talk • contribs) 17:30, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
Why the updates are deleted. Why do you think that it is not appropriate. /info/en/?search=Nagorno-Karabakh_Republic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ferid Heziyev ( talk • contribs) 13:40, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
Hello, Chip! I jjst wanted to ask you to explain your logic to me. Disputed territory is not the same as self declared state. I will tell it in the easiest way. It is by far more neutral to say: "Something is disputed between that and that, while one think its this, and other think its that." Your proposition is like this: "Something is this. Someone thinks its that too, so its disputed what it is". As you can see, without this two words, we do not have NPOV, but POV with other opinions. All those "countries" are disputed between two entities, while both entities think is something else. Thats why i would revert your edits. -- Axiomus ( talk) 08:10, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
Hi Chip, to my amazement (I just had a proper read) the lede of the Sukhumi article contained some huge POV, and, of course, when I had a look at the revision history, thats mainly thanks to our buddy, who's doing his very best to keep that revision there at whatever cost. I just tweaked the lede to make it fit more conform the WP:NPOV standards and to actually reflect the verifiable facts, but I think, nevertheless, we have to keep an eye on this. If you already have the article on your watch, then consider this message to be not sent. Bests - LouisAragon ( talk) 17:29, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
Your decisions are worthless unless you won't provide proper arguments for every revert of other users edits! This article is not your property to do not let other users make changes in text. If you have something to say, write every argument in the talk page and then act if it will be consensus on that. "imbalanced pointy edits" is not an argument!-- g. balaxaZe ★ 11:44, 19 November 2016 (UTC)
Hey Chip, some time no see :-) hope you're doing well man. I just wanted to say a few things...
Its interesting to note, that in the Satt2/Damianmx "appreciation" spree of Giorgi Balakhadze, which we could briefly see a few days ago on the
Georgia (country) page, he's now also opting to move the page "
Transcaucasia" to "
South Caucasus" (see
here). Its no surprise to take into account that the very same move was in fact made by Damianmx/Satt2 on
29 May 2016. Interestingly, furthermore, the article in question was never touched by Giorgi Balakhadze in the span of all these years prior to the move.
Thanks for WP:WIKIHOUNDING and your care, but if you are not aware of tourism topics, please stop your willful reverts. Wiki has talk page and in case you want to help me, you can go there and discuss. -- g. balaxaZe ★ 15:55, 4 February 2017 (UTC)
Here is a link about the discussion on the AN: Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard#Dispute_over_removed_material-- g. balaxaZe ★ 12:46, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
There is currently a discussion at
Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is
Dispute over removed material.
NeilN
talk to me
14:27, 14 February 2017 (UTC)
Just noticed some more evasion by Satt 2. Same geo-location, same edits, same edit summaries, same concerns. Clear cut. Should I make another section at AN? - LouisAragon ( talk) 17:21, 28 February 2017 (UTC)
[23] - LouisAragon ( talk) 15:33, 9 February 2019 (UTC)
Since you disagree with my edit, what do you think of the SO intro?
South Ossetia (/ɒˈsɛtjə/, less commonly /ɒˈsiːʃə/), officially the Republic of South Ossetia – the State of Alania, or the Tskhinvali Region, is a de facto sovereign state and disputed territory in the South Caucasus recognised by most countries as part of Georgia.
Nyttend backup ( talk) 19:41, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
Dear @ Chipmunkdavis: You left the rv comment: Rv, this is a random collection of sources that doesn't have a cohesive point. Unless the sources explain what they mean by protectorate, it's not a helpful designation. The situation doesn't match the article Protectorate. Your rv comment actually does not oppose the reverted text. Your revert comment actually mirrors the text you reverted. The reverted text was The Multiple international scientific papers as well as international news outlets term NKR as a de facto Armenian protectorate.Multiple international scientific papers as well as international news outlets term NKR as a de facto Armenian protectorate. [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] Among the scientific sources using the term protectorate, there is a paper by an Armenian scholar Yulia Antonyan [7] as well as there is a paper by an Aserbaijani scholar Shahla Sultanova. [8] Among the scientific sources using the term protectorate, there is a paper by an Armenian scholar Yulia Antonyan [9] as well as there is a paper by an Aserbaijani scholar Shahla Sultanova. [10] The text, you have reverted does not say that the sources have a cohesive point. It only says that they are multiple and they exist. Unless the sources explain what they mean by protectorate - No, the reverted text does not state that the sources explain the term protectorate. Instead of reverting you could add these sources use but do not explain the term protectorate! The situation doesn't match the article Protectorate. - well, there is a little adjective de facto added to protectorate, which makes it possible to some sources to just call the situation to be a protectorate even without a legal base. Geysirhead ( talk) 13:18, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
References
Hello. Shusha is controlled and has been recognized as an integral part of Azerbaijan. Until 8 November 2020, i would agree that it was controversial, but putting an Armenian source to claim the city is a POV push. [28] Toghrul R ( talk) 07:56, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
It would be beneficial to reduce JDLI and vandalism claims outside of behavioural noticeboards, if possible. On claims, a claim requires only one party, they are not at all contingent on control. In fact, the lack of control is usually a large part of why a territory would be discussed in the terms of a claim. As for disputes regarding birth locations, birth location fields are a longstanding cause of dispute throughout all the world on Wikipedia (doesn't even require historical changes, as might be seen in many UK infoboxes), and my talk page is definitely not a useful place to get into those. I suggest discussing them in a centralised location, rather than article by article. CMD ( talk) 10:47, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
Thank you. Please let me know when the status of the mediation changes. Robert McClenon ( talk) 19:11, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
If you know the names are foreign, then why insist on keeping them ? Do you add Russian translation for Italy cities ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Azeviwer ( talk • contribs) 16:07, 29 October 2021 (UTC)
Really? Where exactly? Laurel Lodged ( talk) 09:44, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
No objection: [36]. Largoplazo ( talk) 02:12, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
[37] - LouisAragon ( talk) 18:28, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
If you keep pushing disruptive edits like these diff1 and diff2. Third parties will be involved. "text changes suggest other occupied areas" is pure nonsense. With Russian-occupied territories in Georgia is as clear as it can be in accordance with wiki rules. Ⴂ. ႡႠႪႠႾႠႻႤ ★ 08:27, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
I found this excerpt to be quite interesting. Thought you might be interested as well. Almost seems as if the "Europeanization" of Georgia was a 19th-century colonial byproduct through the Russian occupation? During the 19th century, as we know, many non-European polities accepted/introduced Europeanization, but I think the root of the modern-day "we are Yurop.exe" in Georgian society originated during Russian overlordship (?). An interesting topic for sure.
"But the appointment in 1845 of Mikhail Vorontsov (1782-1856) as viceroy of the Caucasus led to reforms. Among these was recognition of the aristocratic status of around 30,000 Georgians, who then became dependents of the tsarist court and acquired European culture and habits."
-- Pourjavady, R. (2023). "Introduction: Iran, Afghanistan, Armenia, Azerbaijan and Georgia in the 19th century". In Christian-Muslim Relations. A Bibliographical History Volume 20. Iran, Afghanistan and the Caucasus (1800-1914). Leiden, The Netherlands: Brill. p. 18 [40]
- LouisAragon ( talk) 14:47, 27 February 2023 (UTC)
Why did you revert my edit? It was supposed to demonstrate how big it was before 2020 and after. Please tell me why you did that. Thank you. 2601:280:4F81:4490:F413:8A17:63EE:2C52 ( talk) 05:07, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
Just a friendly suggestion that you might want to be careful you don't accidentally break the WP:3RR rule - if you see a serial edit warrior, it's probably better to report them at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring rather than get involved in the edit war yourself. -- Boing! said Zebedee ( talk) 14:00, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Suspicious POV editing? regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. I had a closer look and thought it would benefit from wider attention -- Boing! said Zebedee ( talk) 18:37, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
The source for the claim that Russia forced some residents in South Ossetia to take passports was provided. For some reason you have reverted it. You must have overlooked the link to OSCE report.-- ComtesseDeMingrélie 02:08, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
You be damned for putting Georgia alongside its butchers in the middle east. You know nothing about the country, or its people, only your what your ignorant, perverted imagination will tell you. -- 141.161.133.117 ( talk) 05:18, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
You appear to be editing warring over a footnote from Europe, copied over to Asia. The footnote in Europe has been in place for years and was very carefully worked out. Please could you stop editing in this way, without any sensible discussion? Thanks, Mathsci ( talk) 15:05, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
Stop littering my page with your meaningless warnings. You use this law-abiding, discussion-willing image just to cover what your true goal is - use discussions to indefinitely drag on the process of changing what is written according to your beliefs. And the end result? The pages get magically locked on your "uncontroversial" versions so that "disruptive" editors such as I make no further changes.The sources I am providing make everything clear but you have a personal predisposition against any implication that Georgia may be considered European more often than not. Guess what my love? that truly is the case and that is how it should be said. -- ComtesseDeMingrélie 08:02, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
Again, thanks for all your useful geography editing. BTW, love your "Majority does not equal right" icon on your user page. Nice reply above on Australia vs. Oceania! And congrats on perhaps being the only editor to have the phrase "Guess what, my love" placed here (above, by old "friend"-- ComtesseDeMingrélie!)
Any help or suggestion on the locator map in Azerbaijan?? As in Feb. and also four days back, User: Proger is back to his old tricks, just doing drive-by rv's with no discussion, since he feels that a map of Europe(!) with Azer. falling off the extreme edge is somehow WP:NPOV for Azer. Other than Cyprus, most locator maps have the country in question at least somewhere near the center, a point made by at least 3 other editors in recent weeks who have attempted to change this map for the better, only to be hit with a rv with no discussion by Proger. In my lowly geographer role (with no agenda or connection to the Caucasus at all), I suggested that when consensus is reached to start the article with "Azer. is in Europe" (unlikely), then, and only then, can a map of Europe be legitimately used as a locator. Result: another drive-by rv by Proger. ( Neftchi tends to help him.) Any suggestions or help would be greatly appreciated as I'm not well versed or experienced in WP practices-policies. (As you know, the Georgia and Armenia maps at least aren't this bad at the moment, and there are several Azer maps in Commons where Azer is more in the center....and of course, they are not maps of Europe!) (I also left a message with User:Dbachmann who, like all of us geographers, will not agree on everything but has been most helpful on S. Caucasus, Boundaries between continents, etc.) Thanks. DLinth ( talk) 19:51, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
Hey, given your suggestion on having Georgia map show the unrecognised territories, we should make the same change to Azerbaijan's map. I noticed that Serbia, Moldova which have similar situations, show the territory in question when showing their map. People should know, when looking at the map on the country's page which part of the country is not under control of that country's government. MosMusy ( talk) 17:47, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
I noticed you changed the map to have Georgia with the de-facto independent territories. That's fine, but this change should be made in the Azerbaijan article as well. Just warning you, there will be nationalistic opposition, that will be faced. MosMusy ( talk) 05:54, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
all sources that were mention show all 3 countries of the caucasus in the same region, though Abkhazia and South Ossetia could be considered as part of the region where Russia is (if the Caucasus and Russia are in the different regions), Nagorno-karabakh is clearly in the same region as Armenia/Azerbaijan, even if you complain about it i'll add that most of the sources have map which shows Karabakh as part of Azerbaijan and part of its region. Still its ridiculus that a country page on wikipedia lacks general location information. Captain armenia ( talk) 15:59, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
1. Armenia is located in Asia
2. Armenia is located in Asia and is socio-politically part of Eastern Europe, South-Eastern Europe, Western Asia or Central Asia
I think the second version is better
Captain armenia (
talk)
16:59, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
Hi. I just left a note at the talk page of the IP address 92.4.130.108, suggesting that he/she/they might want to consider taking their concerns about the content at History of Georgia (country) to the article's talk page, rather than engage in what might possibly be seen as an edit war. Richwales ( talk) 19:33, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
Hey, why do you change Georgia (country) edits? Don't do that again! — Preceding unsigned comment added by GeorgianJorjadze ( talk • contribs) 20:59, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
Are you going to keep deleting me edits all the time? I demand explanations from you. In case of Georgia, why did you delete my edits? I've put the anthem of Georgia and you edited it. I've put the map of Georgia, but you still put the map of Georgia with separatist regions highlighted. There are all the sources of Russian occupation of Georgian territories linked with every source and still you kept deleting my edits. Cannot you just stop already? -- GeorgianJorjadze ( talk) 12:13, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
Do you understand what I am saying? Where is the anthem? Where is the normal map without highlighting separatist regions? Where is the 'Russian occupation of Georgian territories' written? You're not letting me to edit and keep deleting everything I write. I am NOT biased. PUT THE ANTHEM! PUT THE UNITED MAP OF GEORGIA INTO INTERNATIONALLY RECOGNIZED BORDERS WITHOUT SEPARATIST REGIONS! PUT THE RUSSIAN OCCUPATION! AND THEN YOU CAN LOCK THE THREAD! Do you get it or not? Stop this editorial war for god's sake! -- GeorgianJorjadze ( talk) 15:58, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
So DO it! Where is the anthem? Put some other map of UNITED GEORGIA! and put in the HEAD the RUSSIAS OCCUPATION. It's not the fairy tale called just like that. Russia still has occupied Georgia's 20%. SO PUT THAT IN THE HEAD of the topic. And LOCK the TOPIC with this little lock in the right side --> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fc/Padlock-silver.svg/20px-Padlock-silver.svg.png -- GeorgianJorjadze ( talk) 16:26, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
I already cut down the infobox and they block it. That is why I remove them from pages. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vozce ( talk • contribs) 22:24, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
I just notice that the Georgia template was just fine before it was inflated unnecesrly to its present size by a blocked User:Tanllocittis. Do you think theyr the same person and that explains the attacks on me by so many Georgia editors at the time? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vozce ( talk • contribs) 20:45, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
Hello Chipmunkdavis, u reedited my edits which were sources from EU, BBC, and etc. And u have written that abkhazia is actually a State what is large Misinformation and Because of that i have contacted to Wiki administrator, if such edits will appear again i will make a complaint about it. i told same to Administrator. We are wikipedia users and this must not happen to wikipedia because it has already problems with law. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ArsA-92 ( talk • contribs) 07:34, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
Hello CMD,
In the Georgian alphabet topic there's quote of Russian historian:
Victor Schnirelmann has noted that the Georgian historians' somewhat painful attitude towards Mesrop Mashtots is conditioned by the "myth of some pure original indigenous culture".
That sounds offensive and insulting don't you think? Don't you think that this quote should be removed? What do you suggest? GeorgianJorjadze ( talk) 08:49, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
Ur resent edites in "Caucasus" is vandalism, nothing more. Abkhazia and Karabakh are official territories of Georgia and Azerbaijan recognized by 99% of World governments. I sent a letter to Administrator about ur vandal actions, i hope u will get a permanent BAN. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.73.208.159 ( talk • contribs)
Hi. The keys you added in Abkhazia are only a substring of the one found in DEFAULTSORT. So, they don't really make difference. -- Magioladitis ( talk) 18:08, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
Regarding this; it could be because of France–North Korea relations page. It states, "France is one of the only two European Union members not to recognise North Korea, the other being Estonia." Source I believe only talks about d-relations, but have you heard anything that this could be the case? Outback the koala ( talk) 22:25, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
STOP your pro-abkhazian edits ! Folow NPOV !!!--
Balakhadze
ႫႨႼႤႰႠ
10:47, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
Battle of Gagra
,
Kamani massacre
,
Siege of Tkvarcheli
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Sukhumi massacre
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Balakhadze
User Chipmunkdavis my disfavour to you! You like "paranoid" reverting all my edits. -_-. --
Balakhadze
18:48, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
User Chipmunkdavis do you realy can't see neighbour countries on this map? This map actually gives same information as this
file:Democratic Republic of Georgia map.jpg, the only difference is in borders. Also
this map is more correct.--
Balakhadze
21:46, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
Hi Chipmunk, just a note to say that the reverting at these articles has reached inappropriate levels. If someone makes an edit against consensus and continues to revert, the best thing is to get others involved, including through article RfCs, or to request admin assistance. In any event you should be careful not to violate 3RR. Many thanks, SlimVirgin (talk) 02:14, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
any uninvolved admin is likely to see only the reverts, rather than delving into why.My 2 cents. Begoon talk 02:26, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
why did you delete the information about Laz presence in Abkhazia ? This information was already there, and i just added new information. This represents a violation — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheMistAnchorite1 ( talk • contribs) 16:55, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
i already re-wrote that information, thank you ! — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheMistAnchorite1 ( talk • contribs) 21:43, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
Hello. It would be greatly appreciated if you approach other editors' improvements in a respectful way. At least provide a helpful summery for your reverts. Indicate what makes you unhappy and open a discussion rather than stalling the evolution of the article by reverting to worse state. For example, the version that you seem to be happy with has a lengthy paragraph about the NKR. Why would an article about Azerbaijan contain so much info about NKR? I insist on my improvement and welcome any constructive discussion. But please don't just go around and null my labor in such an inconsiderate way. Thank you. Gulmammad | talk 05:20, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
See Talk:Georgia (country)#Anthem. GeorgianJorjadze 08:25, 3 August 2013 (UTC)
Hi. I got a talk page message from Jaqeli a couple of hours ago, asking me to intervene in a dispute between you and him involving the articles Georgia (country) and History of Georgia (country). I haven't looked at the recent histories of these articles in detail, and I probably won't be able to do so until at least 6 - 12 hours from now. I understand Jaqeli feels he's in the right and you're in the wrong — but what, in your view, is going on here? — Rich wales (no relation to Jimbo) 15:36, 22 December 2013 (UTC)
Hi there- I see you reverted my edit on the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic article. I saw and understand your reasoning but I urge you to take a look at all other countries articles and you will see that they have a file of their national anthem. So , with your permission, could I put the file back in? Tomh903 ( talk) 22:44, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
Aside from that you could have easily searched for it yourself, here you go.
Iberia. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasian_Iberia "Iberia became a tributary of the Sasanian state during the reign of Shapur I (241-272)." "However, after the emperor Julian was slain during his failed campaign in Persia in 363, Rome ceded control of Iberia to Persia, and King Varaz-Bakur I (Asphagur) (363-365) became a Persian vassal, an outcome confirmed by the Peace of Acilisene in 387" "Thereafter, the king of Iberia had only nominal power, while the country was effectively ruled by the Persians. In 580, Hormizd IV (578-590) abolished the monarchy after the death of King Bakur III, and Iberia became a Persian province ruled by a marzpan (governor)." "but in 591 Byzantium and Persia agreed to divide Iberia between them, with Tbilisi to be in Persian hands "
Lazica. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lazica "Throughout much of its existence, it was mainly a Byzantine strategic vassal kingdom occasionally coming under Sassanid Persian rule"
Now perhaps you can tell me why it's not a fallacy to write that the "Georgian kingdoms had been under Byzantine/Roman rule for nearly 400 years?
Also I don't see why you reverted the change from Sassanid Persia back to Persia, as it was under Sassanjd Persia when these wars took place in those regions of the Caucasus. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sassanid_empire
So, I will undo your reversion.
LouisAragon ( talk) 01:06, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
This armenian oriented nagorno karabakh page continuously asserts that the land was always filled with armenians. I wonder why are my fucking edits being undone unreasonably when I have a solid proof of the facts that I have added. It is a fact that over 800,000 people have left the region as a result of united armenian-russian atrocities. Seeing the fucking sentences about the region consisting of always predominatly of armenians makes me mad. /info/en/?search=Nagorno-Karabakh_War. Here is ur fucking evidence. It is not fabricated we have tons of refugees living in Azerbaijan as a result of this Western-russia fuckery. An estimated 800,000 Azeris were displaced from the fighting including those from both Armenia and Karabakh — Preceding unsigned comment added by BloodPrison ( talk • contribs) 17:30, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
Why the updates are deleted. Why do you think that it is not appropriate. /info/en/?search=Nagorno-Karabakh_Republic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ferid Heziyev ( talk • contribs) 13:40, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
Hello, Chip! I jjst wanted to ask you to explain your logic to me. Disputed territory is not the same as self declared state. I will tell it in the easiest way. It is by far more neutral to say: "Something is disputed between that and that, while one think its this, and other think its that." Your proposition is like this: "Something is this. Someone thinks its that too, so its disputed what it is". As you can see, without this two words, we do not have NPOV, but POV with other opinions. All those "countries" are disputed between two entities, while both entities think is something else. Thats why i would revert your edits. -- Axiomus ( talk) 08:10, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
Hi Chip, to my amazement (I just had a proper read) the lede of the Sukhumi article contained some huge POV, and, of course, when I had a look at the revision history, thats mainly thanks to our buddy, who's doing his very best to keep that revision there at whatever cost. I just tweaked the lede to make it fit more conform the WP:NPOV standards and to actually reflect the verifiable facts, but I think, nevertheless, we have to keep an eye on this. If you already have the article on your watch, then consider this message to be not sent. Bests - LouisAragon ( talk) 17:29, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
Your decisions are worthless unless you won't provide proper arguments for every revert of other users edits! This article is not your property to do not let other users make changes in text. If you have something to say, write every argument in the talk page and then act if it will be consensus on that. "imbalanced pointy edits" is not an argument!-- g. balaxaZe ★ 11:44, 19 November 2016 (UTC)
Hey Chip, some time no see :-) hope you're doing well man. I just wanted to say a few things...
Its interesting to note, that in the Satt2/Damianmx "appreciation" spree of Giorgi Balakhadze, which we could briefly see a few days ago on the
Georgia (country) page, he's now also opting to move the page "
Transcaucasia" to "
South Caucasus" (see
here). Its no surprise to take into account that the very same move was in fact made by Damianmx/Satt2 on
29 May 2016. Interestingly, furthermore, the article in question was never touched by Giorgi Balakhadze in the span of all these years prior to the move.
Thanks for WP:WIKIHOUNDING and your care, but if you are not aware of tourism topics, please stop your willful reverts. Wiki has talk page and in case you want to help me, you can go there and discuss. -- g. balaxaZe ★ 15:55, 4 February 2017 (UTC)
Here is a link about the discussion on the AN: Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard#Dispute_over_removed_material-- g. balaxaZe ★ 12:46, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
There is currently a discussion at
Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is
Dispute over removed material.
NeilN
talk to me
14:27, 14 February 2017 (UTC)
Just noticed some more evasion by Satt 2. Same geo-location, same edits, same edit summaries, same concerns. Clear cut. Should I make another section at AN? - LouisAragon ( talk) 17:21, 28 February 2017 (UTC)
[23] - LouisAragon ( talk) 15:33, 9 February 2019 (UTC)
Since you disagree with my edit, what do you think of the SO intro?
South Ossetia (/ɒˈsɛtjə/, less commonly /ɒˈsiːʃə/), officially the Republic of South Ossetia – the State of Alania, or the Tskhinvali Region, is a de facto sovereign state and disputed territory in the South Caucasus recognised by most countries as part of Georgia.
Nyttend backup ( talk) 19:41, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
Dear @ Chipmunkdavis: You left the rv comment: Rv, this is a random collection of sources that doesn't have a cohesive point. Unless the sources explain what they mean by protectorate, it's not a helpful designation. The situation doesn't match the article Protectorate. Your rv comment actually does not oppose the reverted text. Your revert comment actually mirrors the text you reverted. The reverted text was The Multiple international scientific papers as well as international news outlets term NKR as a de facto Armenian protectorate.Multiple international scientific papers as well as international news outlets term NKR as a de facto Armenian protectorate. [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] Among the scientific sources using the term protectorate, there is a paper by an Armenian scholar Yulia Antonyan [7] as well as there is a paper by an Aserbaijani scholar Shahla Sultanova. [8] Among the scientific sources using the term protectorate, there is a paper by an Armenian scholar Yulia Antonyan [9] as well as there is a paper by an Aserbaijani scholar Shahla Sultanova. [10] The text, you have reverted does not say that the sources have a cohesive point. It only says that they are multiple and they exist. Unless the sources explain what they mean by protectorate - No, the reverted text does not state that the sources explain the term protectorate. Instead of reverting you could add these sources use but do not explain the term protectorate! The situation doesn't match the article Protectorate. - well, there is a little adjective de facto added to protectorate, which makes it possible to some sources to just call the situation to be a protectorate even without a legal base. Geysirhead ( talk) 13:18, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
References
Hello. Shusha is controlled and has been recognized as an integral part of Azerbaijan. Until 8 November 2020, i would agree that it was controversial, but putting an Armenian source to claim the city is a POV push. [28] Toghrul R ( talk) 07:56, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
It would be beneficial to reduce JDLI and vandalism claims outside of behavioural noticeboards, if possible. On claims, a claim requires only one party, they are not at all contingent on control. In fact, the lack of control is usually a large part of why a territory would be discussed in the terms of a claim. As for disputes regarding birth locations, birth location fields are a longstanding cause of dispute throughout all the world on Wikipedia (doesn't even require historical changes, as might be seen in many UK infoboxes), and my talk page is definitely not a useful place to get into those. I suggest discussing them in a centralised location, rather than article by article. CMD ( talk) 10:47, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
Thank you. Please let me know when the status of the mediation changes. Robert McClenon ( talk) 19:11, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
If you know the names are foreign, then why insist on keeping them ? Do you add Russian translation for Italy cities ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Azeviwer ( talk • contribs) 16:07, 29 October 2021 (UTC)
Really? Where exactly? Laurel Lodged ( talk) 09:44, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
No objection: [36]. Largoplazo ( talk) 02:12, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
[37] - LouisAragon ( talk) 18:28, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
If you keep pushing disruptive edits like these diff1 and diff2. Third parties will be involved. "text changes suggest other occupied areas" is pure nonsense. With Russian-occupied territories in Georgia is as clear as it can be in accordance with wiki rules. Ⴂ. ႡႠႪႠႾႠႻႤ ★ 08:27, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
I found this excerpt to be quite interesting. Thought you might be interested as well. Almost seems as if the "Europeanization" of Georgia was a 19th-century colonial byproduct through the Russian occupation? During the 19th century, as we know, many non-European polities accepted/introduced Europeanization, but I think the root of the modern-day "we are Yurop.exe" in Georgian society originated during Russian overlordship (?). An interesting topic for sure.
"But the appointment in 1845 of Mikhail Vorontsov (1782-1856) as viceroy of the Caucasus led to reforms. Among these was recognition of the aristocratic status of around 30,000 Georgians, who then became dependents of the tsarist court and acquired European culture and habits."
-- Pourjavady, R. (2023). "Introduction: Iran, Afghanistan, Armenia, Azerbaijan and Georgia in the 19th century". In Christian-Muslim Relations. A Bibliographical History Volume 20. Iran, Afghanistan and the Caucasus (1800-1914). Leiden, The Netherlands: Brill. p. 18 [40]
- LouisAragon ( talk) 14:47, 27 February 2023 (UTC)
Why did you revert my edit? It was supposed to demonstrate how big it was before 2020 and after. Please tell me why you did that. Thank you. 2601:280:4F81:4490:F413:8A17:63EE:2C52 ( talk) 05:07, 9 March 2023 (UTC)