Hi, Bravada, I'm aware of this problem, but because I'm allways short of time i use the IrfanView function. The reason is, that the IrfanView file handling is much better than that of GIMP, thats all. As you allreday mentioned i did a lot of uploads, so proper preparing the number plates is threatening me. Please feel free to update the pictures, we work together, so let me take the pictures and the upload, and, if necessary, update them. Best regards -- Stahlkocher 15:16, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
hi Bravada. thanks for the note. I did it, after managing to economise some of the other six DYK entries. Thanks, Blnguyen | rant-line 01:11, 24 August 2006 (UTC).
Your signature with timestamp
Ok, your right no I have never rated a GA before but aim to do one a week. THis was the first. I did compare a little against a few other good articles however I tried to read the article like an interested party who was in the dark. All of the references look ok, I dont feel the content is NPOV or OR and I think it is pretty well written. It does need more work for FA status but it is well on its way and much better than most articles.
My rating is based on the fact that the article is easy to read, makes sense and the sources look ofk (admittedly only after a brief read through). Personally my understanding of GA is for articles with very minor problems of a good standard and that are easy to learn from (remembering this is an encyclopedia after all). --Errant Tmorton166( Talk)( Review me) 21:18, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
Où Aller is up for AfD. I wonder how many need to be nominated before people decide that there's a precedent. BigHaz 22:48, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
I'll have a look at the article and see what I have on the pre war cars.
PS. I had nothing to do with an article on the Lux-Sport. I'm not even sure what it is. My latest efforts have been the Rover P3 car and Gordon England (coachbuilders). Neither of these came up in the listing of Automobile recent changes for reasons I don't understand.
On Ford Germany I have no objections to it moving to Ford Werke but please keep a redirect from Ford Germany as that is more likaly to be typed in by someone looking for the article. I have put in a re-direct for the name Ford France to Ford SAF on the same basis. Malcolma 17:42, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
Hi Bravada, Not much luck in Seville. I got a Talbot Horizon and a SEAT Ronda but these are night pics. I'll see what can I do with Photoshop at work tomorrow. By the way the Ronda article is dreadful!!! E Asterion u talking to me? 20:52, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
Whoops. Very sorry. I think it was put under the 22nd section when it was created on the 23rd, so I missed it because it was the 28th and I thought it had expired when it had not. Sorry again, Blnguyen | rant-line 23:40, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
Yes, I was in a hurry, which is why I placed the selections in the staging area right above the instructions you mentioned for later informing. I thought that was okay. Anyway, I'll do them now. - Mgm| (talk) 22:11, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the notice. you might like to do the notes again, I'm in a bit of a rush again. Thanks, Blnguyen | rant-line 03:07, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for bringing my attention to Blnguyen having featured this article in the August 30, 2006, DYK! It was a pleasant surprise to see the article there. logologist| Talk 08:38, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
Hi Bravada, I'm working on translating the Simca do Brasil site. I will only be able to translate a few pages per day. Hope this will suffice. I'll be posting the new versions here since you could get information before waiting for the complete translation. It's a loose translation and I als did ommit superfluous information sometimes. Regards. Loudenvier 15:17, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
It was a long time ago in the year 1964 when I'got my first contact with the Simca. It was through a Jangada that my father bought in January 1964, with few months of use, since his old 1952 blue Desoto didn't inspire reliability for a long vacation trip that he wanted to do with the Belo Horizonte (a continental city) to Cabo Frio (a city by the sea, in Rio de Janeiro state).
I don't remember all the facts, cause with only 2 years I was switching places between the laps of my mother and our baby-sitter in the front seats - the concepts of security were others...
On the rear seats my other three brothers and on the litle seats by the trunk/boot my two last brothers handle themselves among the luggage. And on the car roof a lot of junk.
It was in 24, June, 1983 that I´ve bought my first SIMCA which was a black Présidence, plate number AG 3100, which had been owned by the senator Camilo Nogueira da Gama.
In 14, June, 1984 I´ve bought a Chambord 1965.
In august 1985 I´ve bought a Chambord 1963.
In 13 of July, 1986, I´ve bought a Jangada 1966.
Like the other cars produced in the first stage of the brazilian automobile industry, the Simca was a car that had already completed its cycle in its origin (France). A few million dollars more wouldn't hurt if came from a small investment in a small industry in a third-world country claiming for industrial growth.
They brought to Brazil vehicles not meant to be driven in our roads and streets, that weren't designed to face the adversities of our climate and topography. There were some tests on a few french Chambord that came by air-plane to Brazil, but the results weren't of the brazilian Chambord weren't the best.
Herbert Cohen, a São Paulo dentist, recalled that when he bought the first Chambord sold in Sando André, on its first weekend he went proud to a barbecue filling the car with his friends. They didn't make the first ramp, so all had to step out of the vehicle because the car simply wasn't able to climb the ramp.
From this facts came the fame of The Simca of Belo Antônio. However, a few years later, when testing the Chambord Emi-Sul the maganize Quatro Rodas (the most important automobile maganize in Brazil, still active today) defined the car as "a big deal of a car".
It was the hard work of Gilberto Baeta, Hélene Pasteur e many other brazilian and french that dedicated a great deal of their lives and much sweet to transform horrible vehicles into reliable, high quality automobiles, mainly because the French headquartes demanded profits without investing any more than the strictly necessary.
The Simca do Brasil was an excellent example that hard work, determination and perserverance when allied to valorous and competent people, can suffice for the lack of financial investiment and lead to satisfactory results.
(NOW I WILL GO ON WITH THE TECHNICAL ARTICLES)
It was founded on the 05 of may, 1958, in Belo Horizonte, Minas Gerais state, with branch offices in Rio de Janeiro, and São Bernardo do Campo (São Paulo). It was called the Sociedade Anônima Industrial de Motores, Caminhões e Automóveis (Industrial Motors, Trucks and Automobiles Corporation).
The caming of the french industry to Brazil was the direct result of the plans of the government of Juscelino Kubitschek, which sent delegations of members of the government and busisnessman overseas in search for multinational industries interessed in starting producing automobiles in Brazil.
... keep waiting... more coming soon :-) Loudenvier 15:17, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
Hmmm.. that's a riddle indeed. It might've been indeed Śniadeckich, if not for two facts: there was no college there and most of the campus of the University of Science and Technology was still in Polish hands on 18th (also the main building, the closest to Śniadeckich). Judging by the date, the college in question might've been located somewhere in the Old Town. Alternative location might've been Sielce and Czerniaków, however this seems unlikely as the area was seized by the Poles the preceding night and the Germans retook only a small part of it during the day. Anyway, if the earlier is correct, it might've been for instance Świętojerska, which was quite long before 1945 and was partially in German hands. However, I don't know if there were any colleges there.
Yet another theory comes to my mind when I think of it now: perhaps the entire riddle is easier to solve than you think. In the English edition of his Warsaw Rising, Norman Davies used an interesting method of representing all personal names and toponyms by their translation or approximation. This made them easier to remember for an English ear (hence Niedźwiadek turned into Bear-Cub, and so on). Perhaps the name was coined by Norman Davies? If that's the case, the first thing to check is the index in that book. Sadly, I have only Polish edition, but perhaps Piotrus might be able to help you?
Anyway, I'll think of it later today. // Halibu tt 05:45, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
Hi Bravada, it wasn't my update, it was Grue's. Cheers -- Samir धर्म 14:31, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
As far as I see the article is fully referenced, and NPOVed by the same editor who put a POV tag on it. All facts are sourced. Perhaps appearance on Main Page would bring more attention to this article, and people would add more facts. I don't see how this is a bad thing. Grue 14:31, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
Hi Bravada. That paragraph that was cut out, I should source it, came from 50th anniversary competition that outcry over IReland winning too much lead to the introduction of televoting. Teel me what you think. Blnguyen | rant-line 22:27, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
Oops.. thanks for pointing it out :) -- Samir धर्म 00:56, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
I'd merge the articles, but how? Sorry, I'm still a WikiNoob. Cheers! 206.81.151.68 20:47, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
Sorry, the above comment was made by me, The RSJ 20:48, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
Ha ha, thanks, you make me feel better... Cheers! The RSJ 21:16, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
Sorry Bravada. I have been kind of busy with the nasty side of wikipedia (i.e. Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration#Kosovo) and forgot all about it. I am about to go offline for today ( R.L.), I will finish uploading the photos from Seville tomorrow morning and concentrate on some serious editing. I have not forgotten either about the Fiat 125 images. Take care. E Asterion u talking to me? 14:09, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
It's ok. Blnguyen | BLabberiNg 08:47, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
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G'day Bravada. I just noticed that you've got a particularly long Talk page here. You might want to give Archiving a go, since I was flat out loading it up to leave this comment here (using Firefox), and it wouldn't surprise me if I'm not the only one. The instructions are at WP:ARCHIVE and are sufficiently easy that a bozo like yours truly can do it. BigHaz - Schreit mich an ( Review me) 12:20, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
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I'm giving these messages to everyone I know, and it's not the wrong kind of WikiLove (lol)... Cheers!
Just a note to say I've been admiring your comments in talk:gac. They are well-considered and well-said. That's not a combination I run into very often, sad to say; a lot of people seem to buy their opinions pre-formed, in the large economy size, in order to avoid the burden of thinking.... ClairSamoht - Help make Wikipedia the most authoritative source of information in the world 03:41, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
It's okay, I understand, I see you have 120+ subjects on your talk page. Why don't you take a nice WikiBreak? Cheers! The RSJ - SPEAK The RSJ at the RS Wiki 19:18, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
I wonder if you have any comment on this idea. I posted it on GA rather than GAC because the latter is almost too fast and furious. I'm probably just beating my head against a wall (it's an oddly reactionary crowd), but I thought I'd exhaust myself of ideas on how to improve the direction of that process before dropping it from my watchlist. Marskell 15:31, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
Hi Bravada
Wasn't there a close relationship between the Bellett engine and the Gemini engine?
RedVee
What kind of immature posting to my talk page is that? "I have one left...." what you are doing is editing an article WITHOUT CONSENSUS. By Wiki rules, you are incorrect. So STOP your malicious edits now before you are reported. Rarelibra 13:35, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
What I deem now is that you have unfairly judged me with personal bias. Unless I have misunderstood your wording, in which case you didn't try to explain otherwise. The Maxima article can probably be improved to more closely tie in to other articles for the Teana, Bluebird, and similar models. But it has somewhat of a US-scope to it for the current model because the US is one of the only countries that it is available in. Just as an article about the Polonez will be Polish-centric (or could I argue about seeing Polish cars driving around Chicago?). It is allowed for that. I've had similar discussions about consensus and centric articles with regards to the use of Australian English, American English, or the "Queen's own". I've been to 24 countries and speak three languages - I take it to heart as an offense for you to pre-judge me like you have. Please see that this article needs such (EU) designation as a reader from Europe may recognize the designation, but a reader from Canada or the US may not. In that aspect, it IS worldwide (and considerate of multiple viewpoints). As for the similar models, well, we've discussed that. It was decided to include official competition as defined for the similar models, not what a single person decides as "looking like". I don't wish to continue this with you. So I apologize for any misunderstanding. Rarelibra 14:57, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
Soz to bother a rather exhausted Bravada [as I gather ;-)], but I thought I'd give you some basic facts figures re the Opel Speedster merge debate.
Vauxhall VX, launched 2000. Opel Speedster, launched 2000]
They were both available with the 2.0 engine to start with, then a few years later with the 2.0T. In 2005 Vauxhall, and only Vauxhall, made a special variant of the 2.0T VX220, called the VXR. It had a new bodykit, new name, more power, higher price and only a few were made. All were sold within a few weeks.
Differences: There are many. Obviously, RHD vs LHD, new grille on Opel - there may have been two choices of grilles. I believe the radio is a completely different brand, grey vs black headlight surrounds, different brakes (although haven't found anything to verify this), different floormats (.....), different price, different colours. The VX220 also had variety of 'special editions - the 'Lightning' had a colour-coded hardtop, anthracite wheels, black screen surround, cd player and a plaque to commemorate something or other. It is worth noting that any buyer of a VX in the UK also got a free advanced driver training day thrown in with the car. Also, before the VXR VX220 came out, there was a VX Sprint concept, which showcased forthcoming variants of the VX.
It is also worth noting that the Vauxhall VX Lightning concept (strange - there isn't an article on it) was and still is a Vauxhal-only design, it was floated around the world with different badges like the curent Kappa (?) roadsters are. Again, this very concept seems to have influenced GM to make the Sky/GT/G2X look similar to it aswell. GM haven't allowed Vauxhall even a LHD version of this car, which strikes me as odd considering it was a British design in the first place, Opel second....not 100% sure of that but I would be extremely surprised if that oh-so-sedate maker Opel came up with the idea. after all, they were both based on the Lotus Elise, so it could well have been Vauxhall approaching Lotus to get the rightd to design something on top of the brilliant platform that underpinned the Elise.
Again, apologies for spouting utter rubbish all over your talk page, and I hope you're able to wake up enough to read it.
Cheers, Abarthaddict 18:37, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
Bravada, may sound odd talking to someone online in Poland who can speak extremely good English, but I do hope you recover soon. What I'm actually trying to say is it's been nice knowing you, what would you like on your gravestone ;-)
LOL, just kidding, and I really do hope it's just a bad hangover from the night before you've got, not CFS ;-)
Speak when we speak again, Tom/ Abarthaddict
Thanks for the birthday wishes. Oder vielleicht "danke schön", wenn sie auf Deutsch lesen möchten. BigHaz - Schreit mich an ( Review me) 23:32, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
OK, so maybe this isn't as "meaty" as some of the other topics on this page, but I'm bored here at work and I'm also very interested in Poland and the Polish people. Now maybe I'll say what I came here to say 'fore I forget. ;) Anyway, I was wondering if you spoke any Polish, and (since I wouldn't imagine the Encyclopædia is a good place to teach a language)/or knew any good programmes that teach the language—apart from actually coming to Poland, which I know is the best way, but I won't be able to travel outside the US for over a year. :( Also, I won't really want to learn Polish until after I'm done studying German, which I'm OK at now.
Well, if I can't think of anything more to say, I guess I should just go. ;) Have a good day! — $PЯINGεrαgђ 16:46, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
With kids doing all sorts of amazing things these days, your suggested fact wouldn't really stand out. Is there something else in the article you found interesting for mention in DYK? - Mgm| (talk) 22:17, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
The Automotive Barnstar | ||
For knowing what a VAN lerma is, for caring enough about Daewoo's, for having even heard of a Veraneio, for writing about the Isuzu Bellel with authority. For loving all the otherwise unloved cars - I hereby award you the second ever Automotive Barnstar (actually, I should give you mine - because you deserve it so much more - here, we'll swap - you can have the first one and I'll take this one :-) SteveBaker 05:22, 21 September 2006 (UTC) |
Thanks for the review on Predicted effects of the FairTax. I replied to your comment there. You are correct that it is very favorable to the plan, however, it is a breakout from the main article which is very well balanced. This section, which was mainly positive effects, was a good area that could be split. I did not consider that this section was only positive effects. Most of the criticism is in the main article. I'm not sure how I can correct this as these are not really debated items - if they were, I would include such. Morphh 13:21, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
I just put up one of my own reviews on the WP:GA/R page for Anna Svidersky. As I originally noted in my review, this was a difficult one because I sense the potential for this be to a GA and could serve as a really good precedent setting one. However, my OR synthesis concerns among others makes it hard for me to consider it close to being GA now. But the article does have a couple very respected editors who I want to make sure that their points are fairly and fully considered. As a reviewer whose views I respect, I would really appreciate if you take a look. I have no qualms about being "overidden" in this regard because, again, I want to make sure this is fairly considered. Appreciate your time. Agne 23:49, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
It is hard to find any online sources from 1994 that the move was also because of security concerns, take a look at the Belweder article and the second photo. If I remember correctly the greatest concern of BOR at the time were not truck bombs and suicide bombings like today but rather that someone would hide himself in Łazienkowski park and shoot at the Belweder or in a much worse scenario attack it with mortar or RPG rounds. Such attacks are much more difficult to execute against the current presidential palace since the entire area is densly populated.
I have reverted your revert on the Chuj language page explaining my reasons on the Talk:Chuj language page. If you build a page for the polish expletive a disambiguation is in order on the page Chuj (disambiguation) but not on the page about the Chuj language. The two terms are not related, not pronounced alike. Maunus 13:52, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
Looks like the free use image you found on the Italian WP has been treated as fair use and deleted (in case you didn't already know). -- DeLarge 15:40, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for your careful critique of Sunol Water Temple. It'll help the article continue to improve. ike9898 01:11, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
Hi Bravada. I have been very impressed with the thoroughness of your reviews in the GA assessments. Any feedback on this article to help bring it towards FA status would be a great help. Peer Review. Thank you. TimVickers 18:54, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
I undeleted the image. I really wonder what all this will be good for. Probably there where 200000+ images on commons with restrictions. Please move it to your local wiki. If you has a list of logos missing please let me know, i will assist you. -- Stahlkocher 17:13, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for your tips. It's at first a bit overwhelming and an awful lot to read in order to understand how to proceed. So your tips are really welcome. If you go to the Simca page and click on Simca do Brasil you will already find an article, which I will extend into more detailed informations.
Right now I got to find out more about how to get the template up and running and so forth... :s
Keep watching that space!
Best regards
That's quite a fine mess you all have going on over at GA :-) I do on FA the same thing Agne does/did on GA - compiled list of old FAs lacking inline citations by editor and Project, and was prepared to begin notifying by Project, so am watching this debacle with some Projects/editors who feel they are exempt from citation requirements as it unfolds. Since my household has both mathmeticians and physicists, I'm not buying the arguments, which smack of elitism and a desire for preferential treatment, to avoid requirements that apply to all Wiki articles. I am not interested in pointing a finger at a bad review in the midst of this mess: I'd rather deal with the situation another way, although the article will come up for review once I've discussed it individually. I don't think we need to make an example of a new and well-meaning editor, just to advance a point about inline citations at GA. You all must know that the GA label carries very little meaning, considering the process lets through a lot of junk, and lack of citations (often leading to POV and OR) is alarming in any article, not just GAs or FAs. Anyway, my note is to ask you the meaning of this comment, which I don't understand: "I agree with Homestarmy, please do not ironize about being impolite, but do help us!" I wasn't being ironic: I don't want to point fingers at one review in the midst of another GA controversy. Best, Sandy 13:21, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
Well, bad news. I've spent some time following the debacle at the various GA pages, have spoken with some others, and have come (late) to the inescapable conclusion that GA is not only a hopeless mess, it's probably harmful to the encyclopedia. Your goals are worthy: I hate to see you spend your time in that wasteland, especially in the current environment. As long as anyone (which often means vandals, socks, and meat puppets) can promote an article (with POV, OR and no citations) to GA, it means nothing. I'd really like to see you invest your efforts in something more worthwhile: either peer review or FAC/FAR. All those elitist editors who are screaming about citations in GA are up against a much stronger argument in FA. FAs must be cited. Period. They've got more uncited FAs they should be dealing with, rather than arguing over GAs, which mean nothing. Sorry to be so dismal on the topic, but I think the reason you are so discouraged is that you are working in a wasteland that is an endless black hole; your efforts would be so much more productive at FA :-) And, you wouldn't be putting up with the abuse you're putting up with right now. Best, Sandy 15:29, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
Hi Bravada, I got a sugestion to make as far as the Simca page goes. You got the Chambord under new versions (or something like that) in your Vedette page. Thing is I posted a Chambord page, but whenever I type it in I'll end on your Vedette page. The solution would be to create a separate Chambord page independently from the Vedette. What do you think?
Greetings-- Vee8 21:19, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
You will not win any arguments, or gain consensus for your preferred wording, by sarcastically demeaning the concerns of others. This argument is frustrating on all sides, and in one case I've had to withdraw a remark and apologize for the severity of the wording. I'd like to ask you do the same thing in regard to what you wrote a short while ago. -- SCZenz 01:00, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
On Wikipedia talk:Good article candidates, you said:
I wonder, do you really believe this? I have always thought this is one of the most valuable aspects of Wikipedia. For example, the other day I desperately needed to know what a cobordism was, and I could discover quickly and easily on Wikipedia. It's the top Google hit for a lot of these things, and a really valuable resource. I find it hard to understand that someone would honestly think that there is no place for these sorts of articles, particularly given that Wikipedia is not paper. But perhaps you meant something else? – Joke 02:37, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
First of all, it is more polite to strike your nomination like this or to comment it out, rather than deleting it with comments posted by others. Secondly,
User:Peter Isotalo might be unpleasantly surprised to find his nomination of
subtlety deleted
en masse. --
Ghirla
-трёп- 10:57, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
You recently edited to Richard Branson article. Your edit was a good one, and was actually recently performed and then (perhaps accidentally) reverted. Thanks for fixing the mistake. I'd like to also say I've looked through your user pages, and I have much respect for your work here on WP.
That said, on your edit you left a comment reading:
this is not controversial, as it is a publicly known fact that he owns a railway - or have you just found out?
The use of the word "you" makes your comment personal instead of fact based, and your statement seems to carry with it superiority. It was more than enough to simply state that Branson is known to own a railway, and strengthen this by with a citation, or simply saying it is actually named Virgin Trains. There- problem solved, no need to point fingers or make someone feel bad.
I noted that User:SCZenz left a comment on this page about civility yesterday. Perhaps it's just been a bad day and you're not in the best of moods. My personal method of dealing with such cases is to assume an innocent mistake until proven otherwise, and look for alternative explanations to why they did what they did (a mistaken revert perhaps, in this case). In short, please be more mindful of others' feelings. MJKazin 11:56, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
Phrases such as
and
have an air of incivility. I hesitated to post the first one here yesterday, but the second one convinced me I should. CMummert 00:18, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
Hey, I just saw your main page. Don't get too down. Is there anything specifically that's been bothering you? Any way I can help? -- Interiot 16:04, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
I don't know if you'll appreciate this comment from me, but when things get hot in one area sometimes it helps a lot to work on something else. Or just take a WikiBreak—after all the debates on citations on Thursday, I forced myself not to even look at my watchlist Friday. -- SCZenz 18:27, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
May I suggest using some tags; if the only disputed part is the prime minister claim; {{ disputed}} seems like a good choice, and then resolving the dispute on talk?-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk 18:31, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
Hi, Bravada, I'm aware of this problem, but because I'm allways short of time i use the IrfanView function. The reason is, that the IrfanView file handling is much better than that of GIMP, thats all. As you allreday mentioned i did a lot of uploads, so proper preparing the number plates is threatening me. Please feel free to update the pictures, we work together, so let me take the pictures and the upload, and, if necessary, update them. Best regards -- Stahlkocher 15:16, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
hi Bravada. thanks for the note. I did it, after managing to economise some of the other six DYK entries. Thanks, Blnguyen | rant-line 01:11, 24 August 2006 (UTC).
Your signature with timestamp
Ok, your right no I have never rated a GA before but aim to do one a week. THis was the first. I did compare a little against a few other good articles however I tried to read the article like an interested party who was in the dark. All of the references look ok, I dont feel the content is NPOV or OR and I think it is pretty well written. It does need more work for FA status but it is well on its way and much better than most articles.
My rating is based on the fact that the article is easy to read, makes sense and the sources look ofk (admittedly only after a brief read through). Personally my understanding of GA is for articles with very minor problems of a good standard and that are easy to learn from (remembering this is an encyclopedia after all). --Errant Tmorton166( Talk)( Review me) 21:18, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
Où Aller is up for AfD. I wonder how many need to be nominated before people decide that there's a precedent. BigHaz 22:48, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
I'll have a look at the article and see what I have on the pre war cars.
PS. I had nothing to do with an article on the Lux-Sport. I'm not even sure what it is. My latest efforts have been the Rover P3 car and Gordon England (coachbuilders). Neither of these came up in the listing of Automobile recent changes for reasons I don't understand.
On Ford Germany I have no objections to it moving to Ford Werke but please keep a redirect from Ford Germany as that is more likaly to be typed in by someone looking for the article. I have put in a re-direct for the name Ford France to Ford SAF on the same basis. Malcolma 17:42, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
Hi Bravada, Not much luck in Seville. I got a Talbot Horizon and a SEAT Ronda but these are night pics. I'll see what can I do with Photoshop at work tomorrow. By the way the Ronda article is dreadful!!! E Asterion u talking to me? 20:52, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
Whoops. Very sorry. I think it was put under the 22nd section when it was created on the 23rd, so I missed it because it was the 28th and I thought it had expired when it had not. Sorry again, Blnguyen | rant-line 23:40, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
Yes, I was in a hurry, which is why I placed the selections in the staging area right above the instructions you mentioned for later informing. I thought that was okay. Anyway, I'll do them now. - Mgm| (talk) 22:11, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the notice. you might like to do the notes again, I'm in a bit of a rush again. Thanks, Blnguyen | rant-line 03:07, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for bringing my attention to Blnguyen having featured this article in the August 30, 2006, DYK! It was a pleasant surprise to see the article there. logologist| Talk 08:38, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
Hi Bravada, I'm working on translating the Simca do Brasil site. I will only be able to translate a few pages per day. Hope this will suffice. I'll be posting the new versions here since you could get information before waiting for the complete translation. It's a loose translation and I als did ommit superfluous information sometimes. Regards. Loudenvier 15:17, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
It was a long time ago in the year 1964 when I'got my first contact with the Simca. It was through a Jangada that my father bought in January 1964, with few months of use, since his old 1952 blue Desoto didn't inspire reliability for a long vacation trip that he wanted to do with the Belo Horizonte (a continental city) to Cabo Frio (a city by the sea, in Rio de Janeiro state).
I don't remember all the facts, cause with only 2 years I was switching places between the laps of my mother and our baby-sitter in the front seats - the concepts of security were others...
On the rear seats my other three brothers and on the litle seats by the trunk/boot my two last brothers handle themselves among the luggage. And on the car roof a lot of junk.
It was in 24, June, 1983 that I´ve bought my first SIMCA which was a black Présidence, plate number AG 3100, which had been owned by the senator Camilo Nogueira da Gama.
In 14, June, 1984 I´ve bought a Chambord 1965.
In august 1985 I´ve bought a Chambord 1963.
In 13 of July, 1986, I´ve bought a Jangada 1966.
Like the other cars produced in the first stage of the brazilian automobile industry, the Simca was a car that had already completed its cycle in its origin (France). A few million dollars more wouldn't hurt if came from a small investment in a small industry in a third-world country claiming for industrial growth.
They brought to Brazil vehicles not meant to be driven in our roads and streets, that weren't designed to face the adversities of our climate and topography. There were some tests on a few french Chambord that came by air-plane to Brazil, but the results weren't of the brazilian Chambord weren't the best.
Herbert Cohen, a São Paulo dentist, recalled that when he bought the first Chambord sold in Sando André, on its first weekend he went proud to a barbecue filling the car with his friends. They didn't make the first ramp, so all had to step out of the vehicle because the car simply wasn't able to climb the ramp.
From this facts came the fame of The Simca of Belo Antônio. However, a few years later, when testing the Chambord Emi-Sul the maganize Quatro Rodas (the most important automobile maganize in Brazil, still active today) defined the car as "a big deal of a car".
It was the hard work of Gilberto Baeta, Hélene Pasteur e many other brazilian and french that dedicated a great deal of their lives and much sweet to transform horrible vehicles into reliable, high quality automobiles, mainly because the French headquartes demanded profits without investing any more than the strictly necessary.
The Simca do Brasil was an excellent example that hard work, determination and perserverance when allied to valorous and competent people, can suffice for the lack of financial investiment and lead to satisfactory results.
(NOW I WILL GO ON WITH THE TECHNICAL ARTICLES)
It was founded on the 05 of may, 1958, in Belo Horizonte, Minas Gerais state, with branch offices in Rio de Janeiro, and São Bernardo do Campo (São Paulo). It was called the Sociedade Anônima Industrial de Motores, Caminhões e Automóveis (Industrial Motors, Trucks and Automobiles Corporation).
The caming of the french industry to Brazil was the direct result of the plans of the government of Juscelino Kubitschek, which sent delegations of members of the government and busisnessman overseas in search for multinational industries interessed in starting producing automobiles in Brazil.
... keep waiting... more coming soon :-) Loudenvier 15:17, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
Hmmm.. that's a riddle indeed. It might've been indeed Śniadeckich, if not for two facts: there was no college there and most of the campus of the University of Science and Technology was still in Polish hands on 18th (also the main building, the closest to Śniadeckich). Judging by the date, the college in question might've been located somewhere in the Old Town. Alternative location might've been Sielce and Czerniaków, however this seems unlikely as the area was seized by the Poles the preceding night and the Germans retook only a small part of it during the day. Anyway, if the earlier is correct, it might've been for instance Świętojerska, which was quite long before 1945 and was partially in German hands. However, I don't know if there were any colleges there.
Yet another theory comes to my mind when I think of it now: perhaps the entire riddle is easier to solve than you think. In the English edition of his Warsaw Rising, Norman Davies used an interesting method of representing all personal names and toponyms by their translation or approximation. This made them easier to remember for an English ear (hence Niedźwiadek turned into Bear-Cub, and so on). Perhaps the name was coined by Norman Davies? If that's the case, the first thing to check is the index in that book. Sadly, I have only Polish edition, but perhaps Piotrus might be able to help you?
Anyway, I'll think of it later today. // Halibu tt 05:45, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
Hi Bravada, it wasn't my update, it was Grue's. Cheers -- Samir धर्म 14:31, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
As far as I see the article is fully referenced, and NPOVed by the same editor who put a POV tag on it. All facts are sourced. Perhaps appearance on Main Page would bring more attention to this article, and people would add more facts. I don't see how this is a bad thing. Grue 14:31, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
Hi Bravada. That paragraph that was cut out, I should source it, came from 50th anniversary competition that outcry over IReland winning too much lead to the introduction of televoting. Teel me what you think. Blnguyen | rant-line 22:27, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
Oops.. thanks for pointing it out :) -- Samir धर्म 00:56, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
I'd merge the articles, but how? Sorry, I'm still a WikiNoob. Cheers! 206.81.151.68 20:47, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
Sorry, the above comment was made by me, The RSJ 20:48, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
Ha ha, thanks, you make me feel better... Cheers! The RSJ 21:16, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
Sorry Bravada. I have been kind of busy with the nasty side of wikipedia (i.e. Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration#Kosovo) and forgot all about it. I am about to go offline for today ( R.L.), I will finish uploading the photos from Seville tomorrow morning and concentrate on some serious editing. I have not forgotten either about the Fiat 125 images. Take care. E Asterion u talking to me? 14:09, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
It's ok. Blnguyen | BLabberiNg 08:47, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
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G'day Bravada. I just noticed that you've got a particularly long Talk page here. You might want to give Archiving a go, since I was flat out loading it up to leave this comment here (using Firefox), and it wouldn't surprise me if I'm not the only one. The instructions are at WP:ARCHIVE and are sufficiently easy that a bozo like yours truly can do it. BigHaz - Schreit mich an ( Review me) 12:20, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
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I'm giving these messages to everyone I know, and it's not the wrong kind of WikiLove (lol)... Cheers!
Just a note to say I've been admiring your comments in talk:gac. They are well-considered and well-said. That's not a combination I run into very often, sad to say; a lot of people seem to buy their opinions pre-formed, in the large economy size, in order to avoid the burden of thinking.... ClairSamoht - Help make Wikipedia the most authoritative source of information in the world 03:41, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
It's okay, I understand, I see you have 120+ subjects on your talk page. Why don't you take a nice WikiBreak? Cheers! The RSJ - SPEAK The RSJ at the RS Wiki 19:18, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
I wonder if you have any comment on this idea. I posted it on GA rather than GAC because the latter is almost too fast and furious. I'm probably just beating my head against a wall (it's an oddly reactionary crowd), but I thought I'd exhaust myself of ideas on how to improve the direction of that process before dropping it from my watchlist. Marskell 15:31, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
Hi Bravada
Wasn't there a close relationship between the Bellett engine and the Gemini engine?
RedVee
What kind of immature posting to my talk page is that? "I have one left...." what you are doing is editing an article WITHOUT CONSENSUS. By Wiki rules, you are incorrect. So STOP your malicious edits now before you are reported. Rarelibra 13:35, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
What I deem now is that you have unfairly judged me with personal bias. Unless I have misunderstood your wording, in which case you didn't try to explain otherwise. The Maxima article can probably be improved to more closely tie in to other articles for the Teana, Bluebird, and similar models. But it has somewhat of a US-scope to it for the current model because the US is one of the only countries that it is available in. Just as an article about the Polonez will be Polish-centric (or could I argue about seeing Polish cars driving around Chicago?). It is allowed for that. I've had similar discussions about consensus and centric articles with regards to the use of Australian English, American English, or the "Queen's own". I've been to 24 countries and speak three languages - I take it to heart as an offense for you to pre-judge me like you have. Please see that this article needs such (EU) designation as a reader from Europe may recognize the designation, but a reader from Canada or the US may not. In that aspect, it IS worldwide (and considerate of multiple viewpoints). As for the similar models, well, we've discussed that. It was decided to include official competition as defined for the similar models, not what a single person decides as "looking like". I don't wish to continue this with you. So I apologize for any misunderstanding. Rarelibra 14:57, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
Soz to bother a rather exhausted Bravada [as I gather ;-)], but I thought I'd give you some basic facts figures re the Opel Speedster merge debate.
Vauxhall VX, launched 2000. Opel Speedster, launched 2000]
They were both available with the 2.0 engine to start with, then a few years later with the 2.0T. In 2005 Vauxhall, and only Vauxhall, made a special variant of the 2.0T VX220, called the VXR. It had a new bodykit, new name, more power, higher price and only a few were made. All were sold within a few weeks.
Differences: There are many. Obviously, RHD vs LHD, new grille on Opel - there may have been two choices of grilles. I believe the radio is a completely different brand, grey vs black headlight surrounds, different brakes (although haven't found anything to verify this), different floormats (.....), different price, different colours. The VX220 also had variety of 'special editions - the 'Lightning' had a colour-coded hardtop, anthracite wheels, black screen surround, cd player and a plaque to commemorate something or other. It is worth noting that any buyer of a VX in the UK also got a free advanced driver training day thrown in with the car. Also, before the VXR VX220 came out, there was a VX Sprint concept, which showcased forthcoming variants of the VX.
It is also worth noting that the Vauxhall VX Lightning concept (strange - there isn't an article on it) was and still is a Vauxhal-only design, it was floated around the world with different badges like the curent Kappa (?) roadsters are. Again, this very concept seems to have influenced GM to make the Sky/GT/G2X look similar to it aswell. GM haven't allowed Vauxhall even a LHD version of this car, which strikes me as odd considering it was a British design in the first place, Opel second....not 100% sure of that but I would be extremely surprised if that oh-so-sedate maker Opel came up with the idea. after all, they were both based on the Lotus Elise, so it could well have been Vauxhall approaching Lotus to get the rightd to design something on top of the brilliant platform that underpinned the Elise.
Again, apologies for spouting utter rubbish all over your talk page, and I hope you're able to wake up enough to read it.
Cheers, Abarthaddict 18:37, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
Bravada, may sound odd talking to someone online in Poland who can speak extremely good English, but I do hope you recover soon. What I'm actually trying to say is it's been nice knowing you, what would you like on your gravestone ;-)
LOL, just kidding, and I really do hope it's just a bad hangover from the night before you've got, not CFS ;-)
Speak when we speak again, Tom/ Abarthaddict
Thanks for the birthday wishes. Oder vielleicht "danke schön", wenn sie auf Deutsch lesen möchten. BigHaz - Schreit mich an ( Review me) 23:32, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
OK, so maybe this isn't as "meaty" as some of the other topics on this page, but I'm bored here at work and I'm also very interested in Poland and the Polish people. Now maybe I'll say what I came here to say 'fore I forget. ;) Anyway, I was wondering if you spoke any Polish, and (since I wouldn't imagine the Encyclopædia is a good place to teach a language)/or knew any good programmes that teach the language—apart from actually coming to Poland, which I know is the best way, but I won't be able to travel outside the US for over a year. :( Also, I won't really want to learn Polish until after I'm done studying German, which I'm OK at now.
Well, if I can't think of anything more to say, I guess I should just go. ;) Have a good day! — $PЯINGεrαgђ 16:46, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
With kids doing all sorts of amazing things these days, your suggested fact wouldn't really stand out. Is there something else in the article you found interesting for mention in DYK? - Mgm| (talk) 22:17, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
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For knowing what a VAN lerma is, for caring enough about Daewoo's, for having even heard of a Veraneio, for writing about the Isuzu Bellel with authority. For loving all the otherwise unloved cars - I hereby award you the second ever Automotive Barnstar (actually, I should give you mine - because you deserve it so much more - here, we'll swap - you can have the first one and I'll take this one :-) SteveBaker 05:22, 21 September 2006 (UTC) |
Thanks for the review on Predicted effects of the FairTax. I replied to your comment there. You are correct that it is very favorable to the plan, however, it is a breakout from the main article which is very well balanced. This section, which was mainly positive effects, was a good area that could be split. I did not consider that this section was only positive effects. Most of the criticism is in the main article. I'm not sure how I can correct this as these are not really debated items - if they were, I would include such. Morphh 13:21, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
I just put up one of my own reviews on the WP:GA/R page for Anna Svidersky. As I originally noted in my review, this was a difficult one because I sense the potential for this be to a GA and could serve as a really good precedent setting one. However, my OR synthesis concerns among others makes it hard for me to consider it close to being GA now. But the article does have a couple very respected editors who I want to make sure that their points are fairly and fully considered. As a reviewer whose views I respect, I would really appreciate if you take a look. I have no qualms about being "overidden" in this regard because, again, I want to make sure this is fairly considered. Appreciate your time. Agne 23:49, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
It is hard to find any online sources from 1994 that the move was also because of security concerns, take a look at the Belweder article and the second photo. If I remember correctly the greatest concern of BOR at the time were not truck bombs and suicide bombings like today but rather that someone would hide himself in Łazienkowski park and shoot at the Belweder or in a much worse scenario attack it with mortar or RPG rounds. Such attacks are much more difficult to execute against the current presidential palace since the entire area is densly populated.
I have reverted your revert on the Chuj language page explaining my reasons on the Talk:Chuj language page. If you build a page for the polish expletive a disambiguation is in order on the page Chuj (disambiguation) but not on the page about the Chuj language. The two terms are not related, not pronounced alike. Maunus 13:52, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
Looks like the free use image you found on the Italian WP has been treated as fair use and deleted (in case you didn't already know). -- DeLarge 15:40, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for your careful critique of Sunol Water Temple. It'll help the article continue to improve. ike9898 01:11, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
Hi Bravada. I have been very impressed with the thoroughness of your reviews in the GA assessments. Any feedback on this article to help bring it towards FA status would be a great help. Peer Review. Thank you. TimVickers 18:54, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
I undeleted the image. I really wonder what all this will be good for. Probably there where 200000+ images on commons with restrictions. Please move it to your local wiki. If you has a list of logos missing please let me know, i will assist you. -- Stahlkocher 17:13, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for your tips. It's at first a bit overwhelming and an awful lot to read in order to understand how to proceed. So your tips are really welcome. If you go to the Simca page and click on Simca do Brasil you will already find an article, which I will extend into more detailed informations.
Right now I got to find out more about how to get the template up and running and so forth... :s
Keep watching that space!
Best regards
That's quite a fine mess you all have going on over at GA :-) I do on FA the same thing Agne does/did on GA - compiled list of old FAs lacking inline citations by editor and Project, and was prepared to begin notifying by Project, so am watching this debacle with some Projects/editors who feel they are exempt from citation requirements as it unfolds. Since my household has both mathmeticians and physicists, I'm not buying the arguments, which smack of elitism and a desire for preferential treatment, to avoid requirements that apply to all Wiki articles. I am not interested in pointing a finger at a bad review in the midst of this mess: I'd rather deal with the situation another way, although the article will come up for review once I've discussed it individually. I don't think we need to make an example of a new and well-meaning editor, just to advance a point about inline citations at GA. You all must know that the GA label carries very little meaning, considering the process lets through a lot of junk, and lack of citations (often leading to POV and OR) is alarming in any article, not just GAs or FAs. Anyway, my note is to ask you the meaning of this comment, which I don't understand: "I agree with Homestarmy, please do not ironize about being impolite, but do help us!" I wasn't being ironic: I don't want to point fingers at one review in the midst of another GA controversy. Best, Sandy 13:21, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
Well, bad news. I've spent some time following the debacle at the various GA pages, have spoken with some others, and have come (late) to the inescapable conclusion that GA is not only a hopeless mess, it's probably harmful to the encyclopedia. Your goals are worthy: I hate to see you spend your time in that wasteland, especially in the current environment. As long as anyone (which often means vandals, socks, and meat puppets) can promote an article (with POV, OR and no citations) to GA, it means nothing. I'd really like to see you invest your efforts in something more worthwhile: either peer review or FAC/FAR. All those elitist editors who are screaming about citations in GA are up against a much stronger argument in FA. FAs must be cited. Period. They've got more uncited FAs they should be dealing with, rather than arguing over GAs, which mean nothing. Sorry to be so dismal on the topic, but I think the reason you are so discouraged is that you are working in a wasteland that is an endless black hole; your efforts would be so much more productive at FA :-) And, you wouldn't be putting up with the abuse you're putting up with right now. Best, Sandy 15:29, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
Hi Bravada, I got a sugestion to make as far as the Simca page goes. You got the Chambord under new versions (or something like that) in your Vedette page. Thing is I posted a Chambord page, but whenever I type it in I'll end on your Vedette page. The solution would be to create a separate Chambord page independently from the Vedette. What do you think?
Greetings-- Vee8 21:19, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
You will not win any arguments, or gain consensus for your preferred wording, by sarcastically demeaning the concerns of others. This argument is frustrating on all sides, and in one case I've had to withdraw a remark and apologize for the severity of the wording. I'd like to ask you do the same thing in regard to what you wrote a short while ago. -- SCZenz 01:00, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
On Wikipedia talk:Good article candidates, you said:
I wonder, do you really believe this? I have always thought this is one of the most valuable aspects of Wikipedia. For example, the other day I desperately needed to know what a cobordism was, and I could discover quickly and easily on Wikipedia. It's the top Google hit for a lot of these things, and a really valuable resource. I find it hard to understand that someone would honestly think that there is no place for these sorts of articles, particularly given that Wikipedia is not paper. But perhaps you meant something else? – Joke 02:37, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
First of all, it is more polite to strike your nomination like this or to comment it out, rather than deleting it with comments posted by others. Secondly,
User:Peter Isotalo might be unpleasantly surprised to find his nomination of
subtlety deleted
en masse. --
Ghirla
-трёп- 10:57, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
You recently edited to Richard Branson article. Your edit was a good one, and was actually recently performed and then (perhaps accidentally) reverted. Thanks for fixing the mistake. I'd like to also say I've looked through your user pages, and I have much respect for your work here on WP.
That said, on your edit you left a comment reading:
this is not controversial, as it is a publicly known fact that he owns a railway - or have you just found out?
The use of the word "you" makes your comment personal instead of fact based, and your statement seems to carry with it superiority. It was more than enough to simply state that Branson is known to own a railway, and strengthen this by with a citation, or simply saying it is actually named Virgin Trains. There- problem solved, no need to point fingers or make someone feel bad.
I noted that User:SCZenz left a comment on this page about civility yesterday. Perhaps it's just been a bad day and you're not in the best of moods. My personal method of dealing with such cases is to assume an innocent mistake until proven otherwise, and look for alternative explanations to why they did what they did (a mistaken revert perhaps, in this case). In short, please be more mindful of others' feelings. MJKazin 11:56, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
Phrases such as
and
have an air of incivility. I hesitated to post the first one here yesterday, but the second one convinced me I should. CMummert 00:18, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
Hey, I just saw your main page. Don't get too down. Is there anything specifically that's been bothering you? Any way I can help? -- Interiot 16:04, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
I don't know if you'll appreciate this comment from me, but when things get hot in one area sometimes it helps a lot to work on something else. Or just take a WikiBreak—after all the debates on citations on Thursday, I forced myself not to even look at my watchlist Friday. -- SCZenz 18:27, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
May I suggest using some tags; if the only disputed part is the prime minister claim; {{ disputed}} seems like a good choice, and then resolving the dispute on talk?-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk 18:31, 29 September 2006 (UTC)